No.4708 [Last50 Posts]
rescue me from this /liberty/ 2.0 hell. thought this place was for being 'above politics' and for the restoration of monarchies. more and more the peasants bother about the best way and how and when to start killing kings. it should be sacrilege to toy with traditional authority and the idea of regicide. it should be as non-conformist and unwelcome as being statist on /liberty/; but on /monarchy' there is a strong inclination towards regicide rather than restoration.
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No.4712
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No.4714
Friend, you need to ease off on the redtext and stop making so many assumptions about the people you disagree with. One mention of "regicide" and you went completely off the rails, making innumerable assumptions about the stances of the posters to whom you replied, and inferring positions that weren't there. You were borderline more interested in setting up a straw man of some progressive shill and attacking that, as opposed to hearing the arguments of your detractors as they really are.
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No.4716
our local board culture should be better than this. not here to play with local goons that just want to reinforce libertarianism. let's have a /monarchy/ that's independent of republican ideologies and actually supports monarchy with kings than without kings, that hates Lockean civil society of replacing them, and utterly rejects the contemplation of regicide as a go-to answer. so disappointing to find less anons not rejecting it like other boards obviously reject things.
>/pol/ rejects and shuns 'shills' that promote cultural marxism
>/liberty/ rejects 'statism' and ancaps + leftie anarchists both hate it
>/leftypol/ doesn't suck to 'reactionary' politics & /pol/lacks
<but on /monarchy/, if you don't think it's obvious that Lockean replacement and using regicide to deal with 'tyranny' is the direct answer, you're an Enlightenmentcuck™ and should just support our anarcho-commune or perish; /monarchy/ without kings is the way to go, and absolutists, reactionaries, and traditionalists gotta go.
don't bother with the battle to determine who is more 'Enlightenment' and more 'Modern'. it should drop like a heartbeat. it's utter puke coming from liberal monarchists.
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No.4717
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No.4718
being hoodwinked and reminded about the option of regicide. otherwise you're not a true monarchist™
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No.4719
PRESENTING THE ONLY LIBERALS I HAVE TIME FOR
>Edmund Burke, extremely skeptical of liberty for liberty's sake and equally understands the importance of authority and hierarchy
>Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn hates democracy with a passion, understands the flawed reality of human nature, and isn't trying to sell this anarchist kool-aid
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No.4725
>>4716
>our local board culture should be better than this
That is the most SJW thing you could have fucking said. Fuck me.
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No.4727
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No.4785
Let's look at it like this.
>/pol/ believes national socialism/dealing with jews is the answer.
>/liberty/ believes anarchy to be the answer (whether that is the free market or a worker ant commune is for those spergs to determine).
>/leftypol/ believes communism is the answer.
>/fascist/ believes fascism is the answer.
This community has so many autists that settle for less. Don't settle for regicide as an answer. I must be the only person making the case for the absolute and monarchical. This board needs more people. Otherwise I become the big antagonist for them and they for me.
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No.4843
This should be the one place where being a "rebel" is uncool and considered uncouth. Instead we get edgy faggots with that modernist mentality here as a pervasive thought and having an ounce of respect for social order, authority, and monarchy makes you a "tradcuck" and a "bootlicker". For fuck's sake, rebel scum. Then 'regicide' is considered 'pro-monarchy' when it obviously isn't. Scumbags need to stop peddling that crap on this board. No other boards treat their subject with such disgrace. When you say 'regicide' is sometimes 'the answer', go ask an ancap to discuss how the 'free market' is sometimes 'not the answer'.
>TL;DR
Faggots are selling themselves short.
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No.4848
>>4843
I'm sure all of them wouldn't be ashamed to have a half-Nigger grandson. And wouldn't be ashamed to pay Jamal Jr. bail and welfare payments.
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No.4887
REGICIDE = BAD
That is the end of the story.
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No.4889
REGICIDE IS LIKE OPENING THE PANDORA'S BOX!
THE EVIL SPIRITS COME OUT FROM THE BOX AND HAUNT THE WORLD
BEST TO LEAVE THAT BOX SHUT; INEVITABLY ALL MEN WILL DIE AND THE TRUTH WILL REVEAL; HENCEFORTH NO REGICIDE IS ANSWERABLE
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No.4890
REGICIDE INEVITABLY BECOMES A HYDRA. KILL ONE KING. ANOTHER HEAD POPS OUT. KILL ANOTHER KING? ANOTHER HEAD COMES OUT. KILL THE WRONG KING AND TYRANNY OF UNSPEAKABLE IMAGINATION COMES OUT
THE PEOPLE WILL SUFFER FOR INDIGNATION
RELIGION AND STABILITY WILL INEVITABLY COLLAPSE
THE IDEA OF POPULAR SOVEREIGNTY BECOMES IDEALIZED
THE HYDRA TAKES YOU
THEN YOU GET A PARLIAMENTARIAN GOVT
THEN TOTALITARIANISM, COLLECTIVISM, AND MODERNISM BECOME INEVITABLE REALITIES
TOTAL WAR, RATHER THAN SMALL CONTAINED BATTLES
CIVIL WAR
BEWARE MAKING A HYDRA
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No.4891
REGICIDE IS LIKE REBELLING AGAINST THE THRONE OF GOD
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No.4892
PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DESPOTISM OF PRINCES; THEY OUGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DESPOTISM OF MAN
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No.4893
BLOOD AMOUNTS TO BLOOD
WILL THIS SCARE YOU INTO SUBMISSION, PEONS?
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No.4894
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No.4895
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No.4897
DON'T EVEN TOY WITH THE IDEA
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No.4898
They say to Beware the Ides of March for a reason.
This assassination lead to the succession of Roman Emperors.
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No.4899
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No.4900
Regicide of the Archduke certainly "tipped the boat" and is often blamed for the escalation of WW1.
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No.4932
>>4708
Regicide is only bad if another monarch does't take the throne.
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No.4985
>>4932
I’m of mixed opinion here. On the one hand it sets a dangerous precedent that killing your king to take his place is acceptable, but on the other there are times when a bad/incompetent/evil king uses his power and authority against the very people he is supposed to protect.
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No.4986
>>4985
And needs to be removed*
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No.4998
>>4708
You neo-absolutists are unbearable
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No.5378
>>4998
>>4986
You're unbearable to me, neo-faggot.
Stop shilling this 'true form' of monarchy. There are monarchies of all stripes throughout history. If you want to bicker about political constitutions, you have a thread.
>>4067
Right here.
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No.5889
>authoritarian is a bad word again
>peasantanons like monarchy because it's easier to replace, fearing "The State" in these obscure terms and muh tyranny™
>not enough admiration for long-lasting traditional and history
It's just that season on this board again.
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No.5893
Embracing the republican mentality is like taking a used car that's beat up and dying rather than an innovative and traditional automobile. With the republican mentality, the car parts need to be constantly replaced over and over again. Totally insufficient and plain stupid. I want a car that lasts 10,000 years, ffs.
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No.6453
Yesterday was the Ides of March.
DAILY REMINDER THAT I SHALL NEVER CONDONE THE IDEA OF STANDARDIZED AND CONTRACTUAL REGICIDE
Many unbearable monarchists like >>4998 keep their idea of the closet guillotine close in their hearts. The yankee doodle types also. They all deserve to be ruthlessly flogged, skinned, and splashed with scolding water; intestines ripped, curbstomped, and burned; wild dogs unleashed upon them, poisonous snakes, and rats eating through the stomach; all manner of barbarity thrown and churned in hellfire.
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No.6473
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No.7216
>>4708
Here is a little "steppe" perspective.
From oldest times Mongol and Turkic peoples believed that their rulers (Khan= King and Kagan=Emperor) had the right to rule because they had kut (blessing) in their blood given to them by Tengri (God). Tengri does this because these people worked for their own people and were in nature, good people.
However when those "nobles" turned obviously evil or incompetent then there was another solution. If there is another one from the noble family fit to rule they were replaced with them. If they refused and started a civil war they were "captured". Killing them by normal peoples were strictly forbidden. Because if they were slain their blood, still carrying "kut" would spill on land and curse the land for a long time, bringing disasters. Thus they were captured and brought to kurultai (royal court), where they were sentenced to "strangelation by a bow's string" that is strangling them so not to spill their blood and not killing them in a humiliating way. When they died they were given kurgans and not disrespected.
This worked actually quite well for quite some time. (Then Islam corrupted it like it did with everything else)
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No.7289
>>4708
I agree that planning on regicide is a shitty way to set up a system, but that means you need an actual solution to the issue of "what do you do if the next king is unbelievably shit"
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No.7294
>>7289
>but that means you need an actual solution to the issue of "what do you do if the next king is unbelievably shit"
I don't really care what monarchomachist shits have to say. They usually complain about their monarch being unbelievably shit. It's far too common that people will crybaby about a tyranny for no good reason. There are plenty of solutions (like having a regency and so forth), but the problem for me is there are far too many shitty anti-monarchists out there.
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No.7295
>>7216
>>7289
Where is a tyrant when you need one?
I want a tyrant that whips and mercilessly flogs filthy political carnivores. Nothing is more obnoxious to me than the crowd that cries about tyranny and tyrants and whatever jargon suits them. The view that these people are another faction is vindicated constantly, not only because an anti-monarchist has been wont to say these things, but it is like an ideological tenet for these animals.
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No.7297
Republicans constantly whine about tyranny and what is tyrannical as a petty meaningless motto and refer to monarchy as the worst extreme of statism with a capital S. No sympathy for republicans. What they call tyranny, I call proper and I'm not one to flinch when it comes to a little bit of excess on terms of a monarch. I typically doubt the wild, hypothetical scenarios and with monarchs being North Korean whatever offends their horseshoe nonsense and sending people to everyone to gulags. At this rate I parody and welcome what they call tyranny.
>and?
I really hate the crowd that likes to concoct their strategies for killing monarchs and whining all about what is tyranny if it doesn't suit their perfect worldview. It disgusts me hearing them plot these things as if it's any practical or respectable view. They are clearly hypocrites when you demonstrate punishment for bad politicians who need to be whipped – they call for beheading. These people seem to value their little political lackeys more than sovereign monarchs.
TL;DR
For each person who prides their ideology, or whatever they call pro-people or pro-liberty, as sees fit to kill a king deserves to be whipped.
>pic related
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No.7322
>>7294
>There are plenty of solutions
In my experience, powwow who advocate for regicide as an expected part of a monarchical system are people who otherwise want no limits on the monarch.
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No.7490
>>7322
>In my experience, powwow who advocate for regicide as an expected part of a monarchical system are people who otherwise want no limits on the monarch.
I wouldn't know to testify, but I don't personally view this conundrum of aristocrats/noblitiy vs the monarchy until aristolarps so spitefully brought it up out of scorn for monarchs who ruled with great strength. It has never been a question of absolutism like so many people here keep pointing at me, but generally that regicide is a disgusting thing and no monarchist in general should promote it.
In my experience, it's enough to have /leftypol/ using edge and talking about guillotines and it's another to have /liberty/ crying "Sic semper tyrannis" and how it's their God-ordained duty to kill "tyrants". This kind of chest-thumping will only receive scorn from this monarchist. When it comes down the question of "What is Tyranny" and who exactly has the power, it touches a scornful atmosphere between us because we obviously disagree. Ideally, we should unite behind /monarchy/ rather than advocate the destruction of the one thing we ideally advocate in some form or another, even if our ideals aren't exactly the same.
The same gossip on /liberty/ attests here
>>102346
While people whine about the aristocrats being btfo, it's generally those people who push the narrative of aristocrats btfoing the monarchy. They only deserve scorn if that's the game they're going to play, because anyone can have a shit-flinging contest if they want it.
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No.7520
>>7490
That's stupid. A form of government is not something to rally behind. The underlying values are. That kind of shit is how the moderates in the French revolution got fucked over by the radicals.
This isn't even alien to monarchists, though they might express it differently. Napoleon, for example, was indisputably a monarch, but there are plenty of monarchists who don't like him because the underlying values they hold paint him as illegitimate, while other monarchists praise him a virtually Caesarian figure, because their underlying values are different.
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No.7523
>>4899
what does the enthronement of a king have to do with regicide?
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No.7524
>>6473
>its always the lolbertarians
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No.7525
>>7524
Is usually is, but there are exceptional people like Cossack and Intelliegensa who have been pretty well behaved. I just snarl my teeth at the rest to make sure newfags visiting the board get the idea.
>>7523
You tell me.
>>7520
>That's stupid. A form of government is not something to rally behind.
There is republican solidarity and communist solidarity. If you're against monarchist solidarity, I'm not going to play along with you.
You people are so bitter about having regicide and proclaiming only your "true monarchy™" as the only one. But I've got news for you. This doesn't only impact the absolute monarchies, it impacts constitutional ones too. Regicide is something to do with the form of government.
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No.7527
This constitutional monarch is labelled amongst the worst tyrants in history. Does that set the scale for any of you? I don't always agree with other monarchists, but I have never scorned constitutional monarchies or even others the same way you faggots do…
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No.7528
>>7525
>There is republican solidarity
Among idiots. In America, at the very least, that really hasn't been a thing for a long time. There are plenty of republics we don't like, and plenty of non-republics that we do. In so far as it is a thing, it's due to ideological decay.
>and communist solidarity.
Communism is not a distinct form of government. Strictly speaking, it's the supposed anarchic endgame of Marxism. There is a Marxist solidarity to an extent, but Marxism is an ideology, so falls under the underlying values thing.
Plenty of Marxists believe in democracy. A traditional liberal standing in solidarity with them on those grounds is an idiot. What matters to a traditional liberal with any understanding of his own views is not the structure of the system itself, but how well the system can promote/protect his values, primarily liberty. A republic can be illiberal.
Likewise, a liberal monarchist, as an example, would be mistaken to find long-term common cause with an illiberal monarchist. An alliance like that, if it were to achieve the implementation/revival of a monarchy, would inevitably end with one party stabbing the other in the back.
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No.7529
>>7527
>This constitutional monarch is labelled amongst the worst tyrants in history.
That's not true, but okay.
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No.7530
>>7528
>waaah, waaah, I'm a holier than thou ~liberal monarchist, why can't I jive about killing your kings while celebrating mine?
You're worst than /leftypol/ and I already put up with their crap about guillotines. Now it's yours.
>Likewise, a liberal monarchist, as an example, would be mistaken to find long-term common cause with an illiberal monarchist. An alliance like that, if it were to achieve the implementation/revival of a monarchy, would inevitably end with one party stabbing the other in the back.
You political carnivore. I'm no partisan and I don't have high standards for monarchy. I first and foremost want a monarchy instituted and wouldn't stab anyone's back for that goal. What if I told you I also valued liberty to an extent? I might not value it the same as you, but to an extent I do.
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No.7531
>>7530
>>waaah, waaah, I'm a holier than thou ~liberal monarchist, why can't I jive about killing your kings while celebrating mine?
I said literally nothing about regicide.
>You political carnivore. I'm no partisan
I never said you were.
>and I don't have high standards for monarchy.
You should.
>I first and foremost want a monarchy instituted and wouldn't stab anyone's back for that goal.
I never said you'd stab anybody in the back, and the backstabbing I DID talk about happens AFTER the system is in place.
>What if I told you I also valued liberty to an extent? I might not value it the same as you, but to an extent I do.
I never claimed you don't. I don't understand why you took so much of the post as being about you personally.
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No.7532
>>7531
>I said literally nothing about regicide.
That's what this is all about, you insufferable moron.
>I never said you were.
You implied.
>You should.
I'm not a total ideologue. I have my ideals, but I would be content as long as I get the first thing – a monarchy. It's not about a before and after, because I understand eventually that time will beckon closer.
>I never said you'd stab anybody in the back, and the backstabbing I DID talk about happens AFTER the system is in place.
Here's the thing about moderation. It comes with patience. Sure, I have engaged with libertarian monarchists and the idea that Rothbard proposed for a libertarian monarchy. Even if it was instituted and it wasn't exactly my ideal, I would be very content that the seeds are still planted. And with that sense of patience, I would be somewhat content.
>I never claimed you don't. I don't understand why you took so much of the post as being about you personally.
Missing the whole point here. You act like values are rigid and belong to one partisan or the other partisan. There are shared values, and one of those values is monarchy and that is why I am for pan-monarchism. I might not be the blossoming example of a liberal monarchist, but that doesn't imply I'm completely juxtaposed to all the ideals.
>TL;DR
This is going to be a raving rant compared to the rest of this thread, but I'm just sick and tired of it. Those who snide about guillotines, when I think of a perfectly moderate king like King Louis XVI, who was an absolute monarchy – but accepted reform with patience, I remember how much I hate you faggots. Even a perfectly moderate king drags down your goddamn ire because it isn't the most liberal monarchy as the anons allude to. You need to understand, as I told about, that regicide is repulsive to all monarchists and envisioning it will bring MY TYRANNY to YOU. If you're going to be an upstart about it, I will gleefully bring out the nooses, the torture devices, and the firing squads right away.
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No.7533
>>4714
What redtext?
>>4708
What did you expect from-
>2018
Oh, well, what did you expect from nu8chan? Also, did you know that 8chan is the reddit of imageboards, in more ways than one? Most people here are morons who think "nationalism" isn't born from the Enlightenment. The others are ideologues (read: useful idiots; likely underagefags) who don't understand that the true Patrician stance to politics is purely pragmatic. Anyway, the coming Caesarian Imperium will be different from the traditional monarchies of the past, which will never see the light of day until our civilization collapses in ~500 years.
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No.7534
>>7533
>What redtext?
He's referring to the great SPERG terror inflicted on monarchomachists.
>Oh, well, what did you expect from nu8chan? Also, did you know that 8chan is the reddit of imageboards, in more ways than one?
Where are you from again?
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No.7535
>>7534
>Where are you from again?
4fag, left for here in 2014, newfriend. 8gag is like reddit in that you can make your own board and police it, and IIRC, Hotwheels said he took inspiration from reddit. Remember, Hotwheels is (or was anyway) libertarian, and systems based on theory are rickety at best, and prone to change (this is something 4chan has over 8chan; apply the basic Spenglerian model to imageboard culture over the past two decades, and you'll see he's basic arguments were on point). 8chan is also "reddit" because many redditors fled reddit to here over the years (or from reddit to 4chan to here), bringing their faggotry and AIDS along with them.
I use "8gag" (or the corruption "8fag") because no one creates any content anymore and the culture has stagnated; it's all regurgitated (from the past or from normalfag sites; see >>6106), which websites like reddit and 9gag were known for (except that there's no like-dislike upvote-downvote system here), and hated (originally why leddit was hated, and the other reasons came apparent with time; it should be noted that those hating on reddit back almost ten years ago now were as obnoxious as the redditors (not to be confused with the ones who would complain who weren't redditors) who would complain about anons complaining about reddit).
G'night.
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No.7536
This thread is a fuming shitshow atm. I'm out.
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No.7537
>>7532
>That's what this is all about, you insufferable moron.
I'm aware of what the overall topic for the thread is. My post was in concerned with the contents of what it was replying to.
>You implied.
No, I didn't.
>I would be very content that the seeds are still planted
Cool. The backstabbing section wasn't specifically about you or anyone else. It's about a repeated trend in movements that change the entire political system.
>when I think of a perfectly moderate king like King Louis XVI, who was an absolute monarchy – but accepted reform with patience, I remember how much I hate you faggots. Even a perfectly moderate king drags down your goddamn ire because it isn't the most liberal monarchy as the anons allude to.
You don't know me. You don't know what I stand for. Literally the only fucking thing I have advocated in this chain of posts was that policy/system-based solidarity is a bad idea. I'm not in favor of the lunatics who started lopping heads off left and right during the French revolution. They were among the worst tyrants France has ever seen. Them marginalizing the moderates and seizing power was one of France's greatest tragedies.
>You need to understand, as I told about, that regicide is repulsive to all monarchists
In my experience that's simply not true.
>and envisioning it will bring MY TYRANNY to YOU. If you're going to be an upstart about it, I will gleefully bring out the nooses, the torture devices, and the firing squads right away.
All shit like this does is discredit the idea of monarchism in the eyes of the average person.
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No.7538
>>7537
>All shit like this does is discredit the idea of monarchism in the eyes of the average person.
I don't care about how you autists refer to it as "our movement". You have gained discredit in my eyes.
>In my experience that's simply not true
You would be just as revolted if I talked about killing your ideal king, most likely.
>It's about a repeated trend in movements that change the entire political system.
If what you have to say isn't about anyone, then I don't care. Don't tell me you're one of those horseshoe faggots in pic related always reverencing it as 'our movement'. I don't care what the average person thinks about quote-on-quote 'monarchism'. I'm not aiming for popular opinion because I don't give a damn what the many people think in the first place. I don't even think their mass opinion even matters.
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No.7569
>>7538
>you autists
Again, you're just assuming you know where I stand and who I align myself with. Fuck off. You don't fucking know me. Acting like a raging autist and threatening to fucking execute people is about as counterproductive to convincing people that a monarchy should be established as you could possibly get.
>You would be just as revolted if I talked about killing your ideal king, most likely.
Based on your reaction earlier, no, I wouldn't, and either way you're shifting the goalpost. Regicide is not killing someone's ideal monarch, it's killing a monarch, period.
> Don't tell me you're one of those horseshoe faggots in pic related always reverencing it as 'our movement'
No, I'm not. For fuck's sake, stop making fucking assumptions about what I stand for.
>If what you have to say isn't about anyone, then I don't care.
Then you're a fucking idiot.
> I don't care what the average person thinks about quote-on-quote 'monarchism'.
Then you're a fucking idiot.
>I'm not aiming for popular opinion because I don't give a damn what the many people think in the first place.
Then you're a fucking idiot.
>I don't even think their mass opinion even matters.
Then you're a fucking idiot.
Violence is the ultimate source of power. All else being equal, the larger group of people is capable of more violence. Numbers fucking matter. If the average person is resistant to the idea of monarchism, you will not achieve monarchism. Doesn't matter what kind of monarchist you are.
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No.7608
Here's the lib trad monarch who 'had what was coming to him'.
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No.7640
>>7608
Once again, it's the rich who are envious traitors with impure motives for revolution. This is like watching the Thin Man all over again, except a much less original version where the butler is always the murderer.
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