No.2414
Shit's so fucked up bruhs. I'm not certain we'll be able to see anything like it happening in the near future unless Varg is right and some apocalypse will save us.
Me, I kinda have a small plan, we know that there are certain factors that turn people into leftists, like big cities and especially colleges where by their first year people are already turned into braindead leftists. Now what do we have that has the opposite effect on people and drastically converts them into traditionalists? I think if we can figure that out or at least start with wrestling the universities back from the leftists and educating kids the RIGHT way, we might have a chance eventually, but it will still take some time to undo the leftist damage and social engineering.
What else is there? Revolution? I think this is also a viable option since we can safely ignore the opinion of 80% of the population, but it should only be done when the right-wing is more organized and in a more favourable position, I personally don't believe in the whole -
>revolutions are bad and always make things worse
thing, this is a really lazy argument, revolutions themselves aren't necessarily bad, it depends on who wins them and what they decide to do after.
Any other ideas?
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No.2415
>>2414
>how do we establish
kiddo, you don't.
Restoration is the only way.
Otherwise, trust the monarchy to establish itself. Trust new generations to come and go. It is ancient wisdom. If monarchy had roamed the Earth for centuries, only for ideological warfare to briefly interrupt, I assure you times will return. The biggest concern is the demographics and infiltration in our institutions and the threat of abolishing monarchy.
>revolution
It is called counter-revolution, my friend.
The nature of revolution is always spontaneous. Those who control the revolution are eaten up. Revolutions are coerced and funded, with media control. It won't happen this way.
Restorations, coups, successful monarchs, and foreign intervention are more likely to bring monarchy back than counter-revolution. Time is the great equalizer and eventually, as ideology dissipates, times will return to normal. It might be ideological warfare, but their biggest downfall is ideology.
>ideology?
Ideas are like farts in the wind. They will disappear, or they will change their mind. No idea is consistent.
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No.2416
It has been done before.
Franco restored the Spanish monarchy, and there are many other examples.
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No.2417
Not to say restoring a monarchy democratically is wrong. In many countries, it is the only option, and other countries ban the monarchy from returning.
I advise thinking of monarchy from a different point of view. Republics rely on people to re-elect their leaders. Monarchists wait, hoping for the heir, or they seek another household to take the crown. Monarchists fight, hoping for their arms to retake what was theirs. There is always hope, but I wouldn't blame you for being pessimistic.
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No.2419
1. Convince some military leader to take over the country, declaring a state of national emergency.
2. Convince the public that democracy is not in their best interest, so that they do not demand elections.
3. Have the military leader declare his son to be his successor.
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No.2667
Yeah, there really isn't much we can do. If you're a monarchist and you truly believe in popular consent (outside of the WHOLE national consent under sovereignty), then there is nothing to gain from a revolution other than a messy aftermath. This talk of revolution belongs to partisans, chiefly the communists and republicans. Am I being a defeatist? No, I do think you should strive for change, but you need to take it a step above revolution. Become a cultural force, strive for glory, and seek to protect what sovereignty exists either the monarchy or the country.
Restorations are playing the illegitimate government's game. Very unlikely that a parliament/political party will appeal to monarchy unless they were very hardcore nationalists/traditionalists that valued their country's heritage enough. The best we can hope for is a good leader to pave the way.
Putin keeps teasing the idea of restoration of monarchy (and it would do great justice in reversing the tides of history when it does happen in Russia)… but Putin has yet to do a thing like this. You really have to be patient and possibly take it into your own hands, anon, with your own stronger virtues other than rallying calls for violent revolution. You can fight, but best when the fight itself is legitimate like a civil war. Revolutionary activity is counter-productive for a reactionary unless it is counter-revolutionary. If the revolution occurs within a country without a monarchy, nothing of value is truly lost.
>>2419
Find good leaders who know what is best in their hearts. We truly need heroes.
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No.2773
Do any other peasants have sentiments on this issue?
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No.2774
>>2667
Please stop treating Putin like he's some kind of saviour of the Russian people or the white race. He is a corrupt oligarch who enriches himself at the expense of Russians and despite being more than 18 years in power now, his country is still a pseudo third-world oil and gas colony for the west.
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No.2775
>>2774
>Please stop treating Putin like he's a saviour of the Russian people or the white race
<Putin keeps teasing the idea of restoration of monarchy
I don't care about Putin. I just keel up and perk my ears whenever the potential for a restoration comes.
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No.2786
>>2775
>Putin being a public servant
>Putin doing anything that doesn't bring money to himself or his friends
Ok, assuming he does do it, you can be sure that it will both be a) another psyop run by ex-KGB agents (just like the orthodox church), with the goal of bolstering support for Putin or whoever is in charge while blaming all of Russia's problems on foreign powers, and b) the monarchy will be restored in such a form that everyone except for a minority of hardcore vatniks and clueless RT-watching westerners will be even more turned off by the idea of Russia having a Tsar and it will give leftists even more reasons with which to convince people to start a bloody revolution in the name of socialism and democracy.
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No.2824
Other posts where this has been discussed:
>>2
>>502
>>2256
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No.2825
We will be there for you, we shall prepare the throne for you and finally we will have our national rebirth!
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No.2826
>>2825
Alas, anon, our relationship between monarchists and fascists (especially national socialists) is like a forbidden love. As a distant admirer of both systems, it is hard for me to say that.
I approve of monarchist and fascist solidarity, despite what the naysayers will tell us.
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No.2830
>>2786
I don't care.
Restoring the monarchy, despite these temporary problems, is all I care about. Putin has an expiration date. If he restores the monarchy, as was assumed, it would bring unlimited respect. Bringing back the monarchy is such an incredible service it would wipe away all those things you said about Putin. Nobody is expecting the perfect country here… We know there will be agitators and revolutionaries.
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No.2832
We all expect monarchy to simply grow out of this modern problem. There's popular consent, and then there's the institution. If popular consent truly mattered that much, the United States would be fractured into pieces because half of that country hates Donald Trump.
The Kingdom of Spain had a similar ordeal with Franco and restoring the monarchy. The country had agitators and a strong underground movement to try and shill democracy. The monarchy has to adapt to circumstances and await for things to change. There is simply no perfect circumstance; there will never be a time without corruption and greed, warmongers, and hideous dissenters. But restoring the monarchy allows a font of opportunity. It unlocks a whole future ahead and allows the potential for a better time.
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No.2838
>>2830
>any monarchy is better than no monarchy
That's a sloppy way of doing things, and you also underestimate Putin's ability to fuck things up. Again, he isn't some public servant who's there just to bring you nice things, if you entrust something like the monarchy to him, you can be sure you will end up with some Jew or Eurasian as the monarch. If that's what you want, then whatever, but I'd rather see them crown a dog than have a mockery of the throne like that.
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No.2839
>>2838
There's no telling concerning Putin.
If Putin did fuck up the monarchy in this fashion, then sure. All I really understand from this is you really dislike Putin and possibly for a good reason
This whole manner of talk is mere prophesy. Putin has yet to restore the monarchy, so he gets no credit or discredit for doing it and whether he did it how we'd like or not. All I'm saying is it would be ideal and all opportunities in this world are desirable even if they they could be a failed endeavor.
We're in a world where many politicians are unsavory and there are not enough monarchies. A restoration is just another desired means to end, whether it establishes itself on a good foundation and a good start is largely debatable.
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No.2842
Like I said earlier in the thread, the best we monarchists can really do now is just hope and cultivate an inner strength. The best monarchist movements were non-partisan and simply sought the restoration of the monarchy and success. Others stood in total defense of the monarchy. Having a monarchist partisanship is too self-contradictory to the desires of having a monarchy. Authority is where it is at, and likewise with authority the best you may do is hope. Authority allows the best and worst consequences of actions naturally,
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No.2848
>>2826
No matter what stands as the definition of our "relation" I know that there is only one duty and it is above everything to safeguard the leader. We shall stand next to you at the hardest of times to bring back our glory and the throne to the king.
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No.2849
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No.2850
These are the fairest words I've heard.
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No.2851
>>2824
I looked through those posts.
These caught my eyes.
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No.2852
First is obviously good old military coup, with general staff on same page of what needs to be done and why it's for the good of everyone. Military naturally transposes into properly hierarchical king and nobility.
Second is to have man with will to power who knows exactly what he is doing. Chinese have notion of "capturing three bases" for supreme leader to be actual supreme leader (read more here: https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2018/02/27/china-doesnt-care-about-your-opinion/). That is, politician who has iron control over military, justice system and parliament can crown himself a king.
Will of general populace must not matter. King must be as detached from popular pressure as possible. Therefore what OP proposes as summoning King from general consensus is pipe dream. You give any power to people and they won't let it go. Trump effect also shows political agitators on the left will never be content no matter how well things are progressing, as leftists are vegetable-like psycho status maximizers addicted to power on biological level, so there will never be consensus of need for King. As popular opinion should not affect ruling, so it should not affect crowning.
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No.3066
>>2414
>liberal-socialist dystopia
* liberal dystopia
liberalism is a rightist ideology, it's basically closer to monarchists and other reactionaries than to socialism
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No.3114
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No.3115
>>2414
You can start by cleaning your mouth, filth.
Second, the only monarch you will get is something akin to Caesar Augustus. Then you might get a Nero or Marcus Aurelius, we'll see or rather, time will see, for we'll be long dead.
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No.3135
I think we need to get rid of cucked monarchs and start over by having a brilliant leader lead a coup and start a new dynasty with his son being crowned the king.
>Norwegian Crown Prince marries a single mother
>Britbong prince marries jewish mysterymeat used goods
I just don't get it, is it jew brain washing? Is it retardation?
If I was a crown prince I'd look for a virgin in from a respectable upper class family, preferrably a 16 year old (AoC in Norway)
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No.3136
>>3135
If the flag's name is a reference to that song, it's wrong, but why? Is there a reason, or was it just a mistake?
https://madmonarchist.blogspot.com/2018/01/in-defense-of-modern-monarchs.html
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No.3137
>>3135
>I just don't get it
It's egalitarianism. It was bound to happen as soon as they made marrying commoners acceptable more and more.
These problems aren't sourced in the royalty. It is the same problem with many people. They're more susceptible because private tutoring is becoming less an option, because the state of academia, and because society is in decay. Before that can be fixed, you have to take care of many problems first.
Likewise, if you want ordinary people to become better, you couldn't simply just exterminate them all and call in new people.
I'd agree how the royals are mostly lacking, and I'm skeptical the same way. I'm treating it like growing pains, hoping that monarchies will grow out of it if they don't bastardize their dynasties anymore.
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No.3139
>>3135
>Britbong prince marries jewish mysterymeat used goods
If I were in his shoes I'd have them raised from birth to be the perfect genetically engineered wives that are totally customized to my taste but it might be challenging to not see them as my daughters.
>>3137
I think that acting like they're married to commoners is just a job to them and it's just there to symbolically show to the public that it's not just the prince who's getting married, but also the British people who's destinies are now tied to raceless shitskins. These royal families probably have dungeons and mansions all over the place for them to lead secret lives full of degenerate sex (I'm not an expert, but I think this is what masonic lodges are for too).
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No.3140
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No.3141
>>2414
Wouldn't we have to wait until the society became more patriarchal? The Iroquois's society reflected their matriarchal structure, so surely a monarchist counter-revolution would have to come about after society returned to it's patriarchal roots.
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