No.4124 [Last50 Posts]
Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.
AVOID asking unrelated questions, there is a Question Thread for that.
RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS LONGEST SIDE:
#1) Screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)
#2) Change camera capture settings to something smaller
#3) Send to computer and resize in MSPaint
→ →
There's a new (and cleaner) sticky in town! You can see it at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
Also, read our own sticky >>889 and see the /loomis/ resource hub located at: http://www.8ch.net/loomis/hub.html
>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.
TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.
Old Thread:
>>none
>2 years
>still no god damn /beg/inner thread!
There, I fixed it! copied nearly verbatim from /ic/, stuff to study coming up in the next post:
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No.4125
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No.4126
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No.4127
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No.4128
^ when you post a study of one of the above images, please quote the corresponding post above!
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No.4129
I don't think this board is active enough for a general thread my man, I might do something though; I'm working on a big project so I don't post as much academic stuff
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No.4130
>>4127
Who could say no to a cute little bugger like that
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No.4132
>>4125
Forgot how much I hate painting in portraits. I guess that I have to study accuracy more.
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No.4133
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No.4134
>>4133
Thanks, I'll try to do more, but I feel supremo weak at them.
What's a good way to practice accuracy?
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No.4135
>>4130
I'm not gud yet, but I really dig your lines.
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No.4136
>>4134
Accuracy as in observational drawing? I suppose you just have to draw with those fundamental things in mind. Negative space, placement, proportion, horizontal and vertical plumb lines, angles etc.
In my fox drawing you can see a few errors here and there, not how the angle of the back leg is pointing forward rather than slightly backward, and how the head is a big smaller starting at the brow. Just make sure that you're looking at details like that whenever you draw or paint anything.
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No.4138
>>4136
Thanks for the advice! Noted.
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No.4163
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No.4164
>>4126
another one that I've been working on. I noticed that they don't look smooth, how do I get rid of the current look that I have?
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No.4165
>>4164
You've got the colors, the shapes and values blocked in, now you need to switch to a soft round brush to smooth everything out.
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No.4168
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No.4172
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No.4173
>>4172
Not bad. Ear, nose, mouth and chin are a bit high, check that angle of the hairline, face is a bit thin overall. Keep practicing!
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No.4174
>>4173
Thanks, I'll continue working on it more!
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No.4193
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No.4197
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No.4199
>>4197
With regards to the top and bottom leftmost heads, the alar "wings" of the nose should be straight across from each other-they look a bit uneven on both. The top right head's ear is a bit too small. The ears usually extend down on the head about how far the nose does. yours is about 2/3 the way there or so. The bottom right head isn't too bad, I can't see any overt drawing mistakes. Her eyebrows are a bit uneven but her facial expression complements that, it doesn't look like too much of a mistake.
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No.4200
I want to start drawing. Is draw a box a good place to start?
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No.4201
>>4200
It could be worse. It's important to note that the author is simply regurgitating concepts that better artists have long written about, but that doesn't make him wrong either. You'll just have to take his personal drawings with a grain of salt, sometimes. He compartmentalizes these concepts well, at any rate.
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No.4202
>>4200
The lessons are basically what the Peter Han's stuff is http://youtu.be/wgDNDOKnArk and http://youtu.be/YFVggG7ajXM and they're pretty decent
Also, for the rest of Peter Han's stuff, check https://mega.nz/#F!GBky0DiT!hHuLcYGyLVnmFaNUmZXi6Q
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No.4205
>>4127
need to figure out my desk setup better. noticed only after finishing that the image was stretched a bit being too far away from me.
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No.4271
>beginner
>all these niggas way to far into this shit
Anyway, I'm trying to learn skeletals, starting with the skull, but it looks like some inbred fuck got his face bashed in. I try to compare it to real skulls, but all that I see is that it's wrong, but not exactly what is.
Where am I fucking up?
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No.4272
>>4271
I strongly recommend doing Keys to Drawing to git gudder at observational drawing so you can draw from life and ref, to be brutally honest there's too much wrong with your skulls to point out, you've just gotta learn observational drawing first, then read Loomis' "Drawing the head and hands" (and even "Fun with a pencil") for head construction.
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No.4283
>>4272
this is literally my first attempt at drawing anything
Poor lad looks like he's missed a couple years of evolution
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No.4284
>>4283
That's not bad fam.
>I mean it's not good, but it's a good first attempt anyway
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No.4285
>>4284
I cleaned it up a bit, still looks a bit drunk though
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No.4286
>>4285
And defined the teeth more
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No.4287
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No.4288
>>4283
>>4285
>>4286
Yeah family man you need some good old Keys To Drawing, it's right here at the top https://mega.nz/#F!es1BSKQR!spODyd0iaQmMelGA2GscFw!Xl9FCbTY
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No.4289
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No.4307
Dumb question, but do references really help with constructional drawing? I know for sure that I can't draw any caricatures or draw from scratch at all, Since you're using a reference, I'd like to know if some of the concepts transfer to drawing without one.
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No.4308
>>4307
Kinda. You can't really draw something from imagination and memory until you know what it looks like through observing references, and a reference can inform you of what something should look like even if you're drawing it at a different angle using construction.
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No.4309
Currently having trouble learning more of drawing with perspective, do you lads have anything that could help with that?
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No.4310
>>4309
Read "Perspective Made Easy" by Norling; but be warned, it's not easy.
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No.4311
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No.4316
my lines when sketching and inking digitally always come out really shitty and scratchy looking. How do i into smooth confident lines?
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No.4317
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No.4318
>>4316
Also what tablet are you using? If you don't say Huion Giano or Intuos Large then you played yourself.
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No.4322
>>4318
it's an 1890 bamboo tablet literally made with bamboo
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No.4323
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No.4324
>>4323
what does it actually offer that's better?
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No.4325
>>4324
It doesn't compress your 20~ inch monitor onto a 5 inch drawing surface.
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No.4326
>>4325
Also like 12 hotkeys, that's pretty important, too.
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No.4330
>>4325
actually my monitor are the same size
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No.4331
>>4330
Post your battlestation; I've gotta see this.
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No.4333
Did this over several weeks Because I'm too easily distracted to concentrate for more than a hour on top of learning coding on the side. After doing some line control practice and drawing shapes and circles over and over, I thought I'd try drawing the deers with the limited basic knowledge of the book of Betty Edwards I have. I did erased it entirely and started over at some point but in the couple of years of random doodling and some drawing practice, I don't have a source of critique for my drawings in general so lay the truth on me where I need to improve and what to practice more often. Sorry for the blog-tier post
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No.4338
>>4331
it's not really that bad, i just have multiple tiny monitors i got from a dumpster
the real tragedy is the paintjob tbh
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No.4342
What is the general timeframe where your drawings start to not suck?
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No.4343
>>4342
a few months from absolute beginner to git decent at basic observational drawings, imaginations will still probably suck though but one step at a time
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No.4344
>>4343
Oh. Guess I'm fucked, then. It'll be 2 years in May, and I still suck.
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No.4345
>>4344
It's been 4 years or so for me and I still can't draw worth balls. The secret is it's my fault though, I'm lazy as hell and don't draw anywhere near every day.
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No.4346
>>4345
The problem is that I have been drawing every day, and everything I make is still shit.
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No.4347
>>4346
what are you trying to draw?
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No.4348
>>4347
People, the human body. I have spent my entire time on this, and still after all this time everything looks deformed and mishapen. The worst part is, I haven't even touched anything else, like landscapes, architecture, objects, color and so on.
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No.4349
>>4348
Maybe you need to tackle architecture a little bit. The body's a temple, and all that.
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No.4350
>>4349
That doesn't make any sense. Does this bullshit ever get any easier? Drawing is a fucking insanity test and every time I do it I feel like shoving a knife into my wrist.
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No.4352
>>4350
How much you drawing every day? What lessons are you following?
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No.4353
>>4350
Well, how good is your perspective?
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No.4354
>>4350
>That doesn't make any sense.
True tbh, he should have just told you that maybe practicing perspective would be helpful-doesn't necessarily need to be architecture even if they are tangentially related. All of this is purely conjecture though until you post your work and let us ascertain your weaknesses.
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No.4355
>>4350
To be honest, it's not like my drawings are good at all or anything, but just try drawing different things in new ways and new techniques, just throw random shit at the wall and see what sticks.
I fucking hated drawing when i was just trying to study something good or trying to draw the same thing over and over with no results.
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No.4367
How the hell do highlights work? How do you know the exact spot you're supposed to put them in?
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No.4368
>>4367
It depends on what you're drawing because it's entirely dependent on the planes and light source. What are you working on that needs highlights?
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No.4369
>>4272
Keys to drawing has some exercises which ask for shading, should I go into shading already? If so, what are some good presets/brushes for it? Right now I only have size tied to pressure.
>then read Loomis' "Drawing the head and hands" (and even "Fun with a pencil") for head construction
I already did. I pretty much understand the theory, but I somehow fuck it up royally when trying to put it down.
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No.4370
>>4369
I honestly don't know how it works in digital at all. I think you just lay down a base color and paint on top of it with some combination of hard edged brushes and "airbrush"-type brushes but I've basically never put it into practice myself.
>tfw I've been drawing for several years but I still don't know how to clean lines or color well
JUST
>I pretty much understand the theory, but I somehow fuck it up royally when trying to put it down.
What kind of tools/media are you using?
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No.4372
>>4370
> What kind of tools/media are you using?
Huion giano and krita, though I'm just as bad with paper and pencil.
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No.4375
Random question, what's the bump limit for this board?
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No.4376
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No.4377
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No.4394
>>4368
A human face, I just need an example of how it should work.
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No.4395
>>4394
Study photographs of faces with strong directional lighting. There's also that image of the "planar head" in the infographics portion of the mega file that should help provide a guide of where the peaks and valleys of the face are and where highlights are most likely to be
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No.4417
trying to memorize the muscles
though I think I should be practicing drawing more primitive shapes in every angle.
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No.4418
>>4417
>color coding
Not a bad way to go about it.
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No.4419
Trying into basic forms and shadowing with some brushes I found online, how does it look?
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No.4420
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No.4421
>>4420
It looks good, but that's only because I'm comparing it to my older drawings, which were even shittier than that.
>flow
I didn't know about that, it's not as annoying as opacity and looks better than the blending brush I tried.
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No.4424
>>4421
That looks much better; keep practicing bud
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No.4429
Can anybody here draw legs properly?
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No.4430
>>4429
Not really, I've been working my way from the shoulders down. This was my attempt from imagination after seeing this post. The legs are deceptively complicated with a lot of different muscles and surface forms to consider.
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No.4431
How do I keep up motivation for drawing?
Whenever I try something, I end up hating my work and giving up for a while.
Also, how exactly do you draw natural or curved shapes? I can only draw thing with a ruler or else it looks like absolute crap.
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No.4432
>>4430
That's disappointing, thanks anyway. I desperately need help with it. Legs are, by far, the worst thing I've had to draw so far. Worse than hands, worse than the face, worse than the torso, probably even worse than general life drawings. These things have so many damn tendons and muscles that they're a nightmare. They're always changing shape and none of the tutorials are helping. Damn it all to Hell.
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No.4433
>>4431
>motivation
There really is no secret to it, it's all willpower. We have to somehow balance our desire to make something of ourselves art-wise with the fact that we live in a time when there are endless distractions and pleasures fighting for our attention.
>how exactly do you draw natural or curved shapes
Peter Han Dynamic Sketching. I did that for several hours a day for like a month or two before I had developed my manual dexterity sufficiently. Don't underestimate it. That said, if you're using a small shitty tablet it doesn't matter how much control you have really.
>>4432
They're a nightmare but I still wouldn't call them as tough as hands. What I think is extremely difficult though is making it so that they look like they fit in space/are bearing weight etc.
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No.4434
>>4433
I can't speak for others but they've been far worse than hands for me. No matter how hard I try, no matter what tutorials I follow or how much time I put in, I can't get them right. These fucking things are the Devil's limbs.
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No.4435
>>4434
Try and scope out some lectures from trusted sources like Glenn Vilppu. I watched his stuff on New Masters a little bit and I feel it's really helped even though I'm obviously not a pro. Look at the section on the upper leg and pelvis in the books of Loomis and Steven Rogers Peck. Just keep workin' fambino
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No.4439
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No.4440
>>4439
Not bad bud. The eyes appear a little too big and aren't following the proper angle; look closely! Note the large amount of space between the nose and the side of the kid's face in your picture vs that of loomis' head drawing as well.
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No.4453
Does anyone have any advice about drawing the head in a front-view? Every time I try, it's always skewed to one side (usually the jaw area) when I hold it up to a mirror.
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No.4454
>>4453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztt8Nmtkqcg
This video goes through the measurements pretty good.
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No.4464
>>4338
Off topic but
anon you could install a gnu operating system instead of being part of the windows 10 botnet and spying.
See Trisquel it's pretty user friendly (the 8 version is under alpha but it's promising)
https://trisquel.info/
There are good tools for painting and drawing like krita.
There is also the gimp but it's reserved for other use.
If you hare wondering about the spying I propose that you listen to the 33c3 conference about surveillance
https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8414-corporate_surveillance_digital_tracking_big_data_privacy
end of the off topic
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No.4465
>>4464
>anon you could install a gnu operating system
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No.4466
>>4465
Elaborate please.
I don't understand.
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No.4470
>>4464
Debian and Mint are pretty rad, I use arch myself.
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No.4476
>>4125
>>4127
>>4126
I a trying but the results is catastrophic.
I was better four years ago but I had medical issues and my hand isn't the same.
Is there some easier exercise ? please.
>>4470
Gentoo/trisquel user here.
Well I don't say about Debian but I don't recommend the use of mint because they ship too much malware/bonet in the system.
That's why I recommend trisquel it easy and beginners can't screwup their system by installing bad software.
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No.4524
doublepost from /art/
What do you do after learning the skeleton, just go to muscles?
If so, then what are some good resources for it, preferably in 3D because of how autistically I need to observe something before drawing it decently.
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No.4525
>>4524
Yes, try and learn as much about the muscles and skeleton as you can in tandem. Proko's videos are probably the best resource on that subject because he uses 3D models. I also like Rey Bustos' lectures on New Masters Academy. As far as books go I think Anatomy for the Artist by Stephen Rogers Peck is a good book to copy from and read where necessary.
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No.4528
>>4525
Alright, I'll do that, thanks.
Any 3D resources though? I already have all of those, but I just suck at 3D things, so I can't imagine how it looks based on the limited angles they show.
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No.4530
>>4528
Proko has 3D models you can spin around; as does New Masters Academy. I think you need to be a premium member of Proko's or a member of NMA to access them. As far as I know they are the only 3D resources available, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's one more intended for medical students floating around out there that might be free.
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No.4531
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No.4532
>>4531
>muh dick
Source on the reference?
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No.4537
How do I into female specimens?
I did the best I could do, that is, make a guy then make it's chin rounder and the brow ridge smaller, but it didn't work. I tried giving it those 70's housewife haircut because that's pretty feminine, but it just looks like a fucking jojo now.
The features are placeholder btw, I only tried to actually make the shape of the head work.
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No.4540
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>4537
The secret is to give up on drawing women and start drawing JoJos. Look into Burne Hogarth.
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No.4541
>>4532
ITT, dude. See >>4126
>>4537
You are drawing symbolically instead of drawing what you see from reference (mental or physical). Practice drawing from reference, or if you are the book type, go through the entire book of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (or whatever this sub recommends, I dunno if that book is still one of the best but I learned a lot from it back in the day).
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No.4544
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No.4545
>>4544
use a bigger brush you fag
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No.4547
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No.4548
>>4545
Tried that this round, but I'm still getting a lot of ugly lines and not the pretty smoothing of coloring I was hoping for. I'm pretty damn new to this, any tips? Should I just go find some basic "how to digital paint" videos or should I just get gud with Krita?
>>4547
Rude, maybe, but anon isn't wrong. :/
More garbage shit posts along with reference.
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No.4549
>>4548
Try blending bud, all you have to do is use a soft round brush to create a gradation from one value/color into another. Isolate her titty and try and really recreate it using all the tools you have available instead of just drawing shit with a hard round brush at 100% opacity. Don't be afraid to color pick, you're completely new so finding the actual color by eye would probably take you forever.
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No.4550
>>4548
See >>4420 and >>4421
Opacity works, but it's too slow and needs way too much tinkering IMO, flow is pretty good to blend colors together.
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No.4551
>>4548
Check out ctrl+paint tutorials.
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No.4555
>>4549
I'm gonna try that. I'm still getting used to all the TONS of brushes available in Krita. I'll mess with the opacity as well, shouldn't that already be like auto with my wacom tablet? And I've def been color picking.
>>4550
Thanks, I will check out those resources for sure.
>>4551
Thanks to you as well, anon, google lead me right to his stuff.
I'll be back with more bad art soon!
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No.4558
Ok, watching this:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/digital-painting-101/what-is-digital-painting
Then
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/digital-painting-101/blending-paint
Then
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/brush-technique-blending
Then
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/paint-blending-practice
Also reading this:
https://docs.krita.org/Mixing_Colors
>Glossing is the most important of all the mixing techniques.
>Traditionally, it's overlaying many different semi-transparent layers over one another to create visual mixtures. In digital painting, we can also use it to mix colors on-canvas. We first lay down a semi-transparent layer. Then, we pick the resultant color with Ctrl+left mouse button(This can be configured in the canvas input settings), and paint with that. Each layer we lay down, and each color we pick is an avarage of the colors before it, leading to a nice mixture.
>We can even more easily paint mix with glossing when we set the flow low. Flow is transparency per dab instead of stroke, and it gives softer strokes without giving up control.
>Similarly, you can use blending modes like multiply to create nice shadows.
As well as:
https://docs.krita.org/Opacity_%26_Flow
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No.4560
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No.4566
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No.4567
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No.4568
How do I make non-nigger lips? I know the retardedly large face might've helped darken it, but it still looks nigger enough by itself.
Also, anything else I fucked up on my korean schoolgirl other than the hair and blending? I know I fucked those up, but the tablet driver decided to delete itself again before I fixed those, so I gave up.
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No.4573
>>4568
I'd suggest doing some face studies from reference for practice. You'll find once you've done enough reference drawings your drawings "off the cuff" will automatically improve.
Specifically, try doing mouth/lip studies, examples attached.
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No.4574
>>4568
Line weight, nigga
Also for cartoons and anime you'll notice that a lot of artists will not draw an outline on the lips, rather they may draw a line suggesting the opening of the mouth but for the lips themselves they will simply use a different pigment like in this .gif
>anything else I fucked up
Pretty much everything, my dude. There's no underlying construction and the proportions, perspective and placement of the features has suffered as a result. Keep practicing.
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No.4575
I have no idea what this feature is called, but you can switch "roles" or "modes" in Kirta, which I've found really useful so far. I like Big_Paint_2.
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No.4577
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No.4578
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/paint-blending-practice
This was an interesting exercise, and one I'm definitely going to have to come back to again. I obviously need work on this topic, but I'm glad to have identified the pain point so I can focus on it.
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No.4580
>>4537
Late reply here. If you're still around, you made the jaw/mouth area too big. Top of the brow-bottom of nose is about equal distance from the bottom of nose to the bottom of the chin (same distance applies for the hairline to the brow, but it looks like you got that right). Also the neck is off, you put it too far to the right, so that will throw the shoulders/chest proportions off. In the case of this pic the center of the neck should be aligned around the center of the chin.
I drew a rough outline of the proper way to do it anatomy-wise. It still isn't completely accurate because I just did it in Paint with my laptop's trackpad, but you should get the general idea.
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No.4581
>>4580
I was going to kind of give you shit for having the angle of the mouth going in a slightly different direction than the rest of the features of the face but the fact you did that on a trackpad is pretty impressive. Good redline overall fambino.
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No.4589
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/smudge-tool-for-blending
This video didn't get me much, as I'm not working in pshop. However, I bothered to test out the much more robust looking smudge tools in Krita. Smudge_water seems to be the closest to what he's doing in that video.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt1
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt2
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt3
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No.4593
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt1
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt2
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt3
Is it normal to feel like it takes for fucking ever to get through this process of rendering? This shit gets quicker with time, right? I can't imagine spending the 40 hours or so needed to finish the crap attached, for instance.
Wat do? Push through?
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No.4594
>>4593
As you engage in the process more you will get faster at it so long as you're able to discern what you want/need to do to solve a given problem like when to switch to a soft brush to portray subtle changes in color and value.
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No.4595
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No.4601
>>4595
You're getting there fambino, really. Her brow is jutting a little bit but other than that and some other minor gaffes it's pretty good. Now start using a soft brush to refine that sh*t or I'm finna beat you up nigga
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No.4619
>>4595
Nice, anon.
>>4601
That wasn't me, from >>4593 >>4589 >>4578 >>4577 >>4575
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt2
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt3
As far as Photoshop specific information goes, these didn't help much. But just watching him work, and listening to him solve the problems that come up, what tools he likes best and why…all of that is gold.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/welcome-to-traditional-drawing
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No.4621
stopped drawing animu temporarily
but if I don't get my gains from this, I'll be pissed
>>4595
I'd say blend the shadows on the skin more
as for drawing, the eyes should be a tad bit more forward, and adjust the angle of the nose
other than that, looks alright
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No.4623
>>4595
massively accurate , on the outerscales, for finite detail, a bit more precision on placement , my dude
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No.4646
>>4619
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/welcome-to-traditional-drawing
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/ctrlpaint-unplugged-road-map
I totally agree that the best digital artists have a strong foundation in tradtional art.
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/ctrlpaint-unplugged-introducing-the-pencil
You know, I never really thought about the difference between holding a pencil to write words, and holding a pencil to draw. Interesting stuff.
Homework: five sheets of scrap paper, covered in ovals, drawing from the shoulder. Loose sketching, not precision.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/unplugged-pencils-and-erasers
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring
>>4621
Looks good anon, and I think it's a smart choice to set anime aside and work on fundamentals for practice.
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No.4647
>>4646
Homework done. I've done this kind of exercise before, so it wasn't a big deal and was good practice. For fun, I tried to see how I would have drawn such a large circle or arc "normally" and it turns out I was drawing from the shoulder anyway. C'est la vie.
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No.4648
>>4647
Try and aim for consistency-you'll get more out of the exercise if you do. Draw ellipses/circles in a row and imagine a straight line going across the page at the top and bottom of the first one you draw and try and stay within that (if it helps you can certainly just make a pair of lines in the beginning with the line tool in your software or a ruler in traditional).
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No.4652
>>4646
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
2) Traditional Drawing
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/unplugged-pencils-and-erasers
So the list at the website above isn't actually the order to watch these videos in. The homework from this video referenced the homework from the next video listed, Visual Measuring. So I'm just going to use my blue colored pencil for foundation drawing from now on, and I want to test to see if my scanner will pick it up or not. I also need to find my kneaded eraser or buy a new one.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring-proportion
>>4648
Heard.
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No.4653
Literally first tries at observational drawing.
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No.4654
>>4653
Keep it up fambino
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No.4655
>>4653
Nice, anon. Are you reading Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain? Excellent book, if not.
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No.4656
>>4655
No, keys to drawing.
I'm gonna check that up.
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No.4662
>>4652
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
2) Traditional Drawing
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring
Homework:
"20 phones". Draw 20 phones in 3" x 2" boxes on your paper. Try to fill as much of each box with phone. The point is to practice looking carefully at an object and seeing its angles accurately. I don't have a phone on me, so I'll use a TicTac box.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring-proportion
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No.4666
Really sick of this. Someone please tell me what the fuck I'm doing wrong so I can move on from this crap already.
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No.4667
>>4666
That's not too bad, anon. But hopefully one of these helps, I don't have anything to suggest beyond keep doing head studies until you are satisfied/comfortable.
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No.4668
>>4667
Thanks. Practicing is torture. It never fucking ends with this shit.
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No.4669
>>4662
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
2) Traditional Drawing
Well, the scan of my 20 boxes turned out garbage, but that's what I get for doing the work in light blue and not inking over it (I didn't think ahead on this one).
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/visual-measuring-proportion
There was no homework assignment here, but I need to practice this.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/gesture-drawing-spoons
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No.4670
>>4669
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
2) Traditional Drawing
Ok, so screw that noise. Not good enough. Went back and inked my boxes homework and also did a face using the visual measuring technique. Although it turned out meh (wide, fish eyes) it is still an improvement for me, so I'm happy with that.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/gesture-drawing-spoons
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No.4674
>>4670
Critiqueing my own work:
Neck too thin, jaw line incorrect especially on her left side, eyes too far apart, too small, her right eyebrow is also off.
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No.4675
>>4674
You got it, for the most part.
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No.4676
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No.4677
>>4676
ball/ball, would ball again
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No.4678
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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No.4689
>>4670
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
2) Traditional Drawing
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/gesture-drawing-spoons
I really don't want to, but I know I need to, do this video, like over and over again. I really need to drill the basics, and I know this, but fuck the idea of drawing spoons over and over again sounds lame. But fuck I need work on my general proportions as well as the rough -> detail workflow thought process. Somewhere as a kid I picked up the idea that an artist will sit down at a blank sheet of paper, start somewhere arbitrarily, and then start drawing the full-on detailed finished version without any sketching or layout first. Wrong, so wrong, and biting me in the ass now.
Homework: 20 spoons
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/drawing-shape-contour
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No.4693
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No.4699
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No.4703
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No.4704
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No.4710
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No.4712
2 years later, still stuck on drawing the human body. Haven't touched anything else. I hate this shit.
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No.4713
>>4710
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
2) Traditional Drawing
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/constructive-form-pt-1
Homework:
None given. Use blue pencil to start an underdrawing that makes use of simple forms to construct the object.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/constructive-form-pt-1-5
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/constructive-form-pt-2
>>4712
Why are you stuck? Who has you stuck? Draw something else if you are bored with the human body.
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No.4714
Tried to replicate some of the ass on a guide,rate it.
I feel like there's something wrong,like real wrong
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No.4715
>>4714
The contours/volumes are fairly close, but your chicken scratch is murder.
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No.4716
>>4715
I was gonna say.
>>4714
You should do draughtsmanship exercises.
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No.4718
Is the hub dead for anyone else?
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No.4719
>>4718
Holy guacamole, you're right. I spent a long time on that. I think I might have a backup of sorts somewhere, though. Hold up
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No.4720
>>4719
It's fixed now; enjoy.
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No.4722
Wait do I draw it as it's shown here or do I draw it rightside up?
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No.4724
>>4722
It should say "draw it without turning it rightside up". As written it's pretty confusing.
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No.4725
>>4722
Draw it upside down to break your mind from symbolic drawing.
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No.4726
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No.4731
>>4726
I mean, also it's only like half the image which is pretty stupid. However, you can literally do this with ANYTHING so I guess it's neither here nor there. In fact it would probably be better to find something else. Picasso shouldn't be lauded for his contributions to the current state of artistic subjectivity in my humble imho opinion.
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No.4741
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No.4742
>>4741
Is that a G-shock? Best fucking watches I've ever worn.
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No.4743
>>4742
It is a Casio, but the cheaper knock off line, not a G-Shock.
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No.4744
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No.4747
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No.4748
I decided to start drawing because i'm coming down from vidya, so i needed something to fill the day in.
The upside down drawing didn't come out exactly right Plus i didn't have an eraser with me either, and since the guide is more focused on drawing by imagination i took a little stop to try to draw things i see instead.
Then i went ahead and tried to draw a few things from real life, like my B-2 "spirit" model, a bottle of Keummerling as a potion, the head of my grappler gouf SD (from multiple angles), the sword from my band of the hawk version guts figma fucked up the shadow though
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No.4749
>>4748
Then i went ahead and tried to draw a frog mouth helmet, but it was from a picture off google.
After that i kind of went with the flow and tried to draw things by imagination, which just became a jumbled mess of a page.
That comical mosquito was going to end up as a female upper torso though i realized how bad i am
This was in the span of three days, though. Right now i'm just having some fun with it, but i feel i should start to try to learn basics while it's fun, but i don't really have the desire to start "seriously" drawing. Well, maybe if it sticks.
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No.4750
>>4748
>>4749
Keep it up mate, and good on you for sticking through the fundamentals.
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
2) Traditional Drawing
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/drawing-shape-simple-still-life
Homework:
Draw the still life, using any or just one of the techniques covered so far.
Current playlist:
3) Drawing 2
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/welcome-to-drawing-2
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No.4753
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No.4764
Just started doing Drawabox boxes the other day. After not understanding shit I finally started to grasp the concept but I still very much suck. Tips for boxes?
Also a Reimu, first one of my daily Reimu challenge. It's pretty bad but baby steps, I'm an absolute /beg/
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No.4765
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No.4766
First time doing anything with some perspective, that isn't just shitty flat doodles
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No.4767
>>4766
boi, get you some printer paper and a book for heaven's sake. Get yo' ass to the sticky, pronto!
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No.4768
>>4766
Here's my try (using some references). I fucked up the tanks rotation, didn't draw the two machine guns, and the steepness of the hills/bumps
As for advice outside of checking the sticky:
Imagine your drawing as something like a paused scene from a movie. if you do you'll probably notice a few things.
When you think of a tank (any type) you could take it into 3 parts. The tracks (both of them) on which it runs, the main body and the turret.
First off, only the tanks tracks touch the ground, and there's always two of them. There's a gap between the ground and the body of it, so if you want perspective, just google some tank pics and see how it translates to 2d.
Tracks aside, the turret is almost always separate from the body for the sake of freely aiming somewhere (some tanks are exceptions), so you will need to separate the two.
Then the body of the tank. They are usually not a box because of incoming fire. When their edges are angled, the chance for the rockets and whatnot to bounce off are greater. Instead of a box, their proportions are more like a brick, and they sit between the tracks instead of on the top of them.
Also if you want to add more perspective, then have the viewing angle more steep and place it higher so that the top of the tank will be a bit visible.
A way would be to try to learn to draw things by seeing them then manipulating an image of it to what you want to draw.
For the building. Unless it's a major city, there won't be skyscrapers so close to each other, and most likely they will be of different sizes. Try to space them out, and remember that even if the hill/road is curved the are behind it where the building are isn't unless it's a really gigantic tank, but even then, building are most often built on solid flat land. Assuming it's the building that are burning, imagine a burning building. The smoke will be coming out from inside the building rather than from the top of it, and if it's a war zone-ish scenario, then don't be afraid to add damage to the buildings. For this i'd recommend lightly drawing the "box" which the building is going to be, drawing some damage to it then cross referencing the edges.
The rising smoke will be carried by the wind, and if you look at a picture of a dark smoke, even then you see that it won't be just dark but shades of dark as well.
Same with the mushroom cloud. Remember it isn't a single entity, but rather a cluster of clouds (if the explosion and the bottom part faded already of course)
And remember that if you can't draw it completely, or you can't get it right, you can just try to hide it.
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No.4788
>>4766
We all started somewhere.
If you want to advance rapidly get a pen and paper:
- Practice drawing straight lines by only moving your shoulder in one stroke.
-Practice drawing circles in one stroke.
Do a few hundred of each (very quick and easy)
This will build your line drawing confidence and stop the scratchy spider sketching.
Next week you will not believe the advance you've made.
>>4768
Not sure if you're trying for 4 point perspective?
Keep it simple at 2 or 1 point perspective and create a grid, as you get comfortable with it, you will mentally see the grid without drawing it after much practice.
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No.4789
>>4788
When drawing the circles and lines lock the wrist. Do not move it!
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No.4790
>>4789
As proof I'm not LARPing, I did a quick freehand ink sketch. Pic related.
It's rubbish by my standards since I'm out of practice, but it serves to demonstrate my points about perspective and line drawing.
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No.4791
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No.4792
Hello fampais, I had some questions to ask and didn't want to make a new thread for them, and the questions thread seems pretty slow, so figured I could ask them here.
1. is it okay to replace How to Draw's chapter 1 with Drawabox's lesson 1?
2. I'm on chapter 3 of my readthrough of How to Draw, I want to know if I have to draw everything they say in the book or is it okay to just read it and apply it on later chapters.
3. Are Loomis' books bad? /ic/ said so.
4. Would it be redundant to go through Perspective made Easy after finishing How to Draw?
5. My goal is to be as good or better tan this guy http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?ms=1&page=1&tags=yoshida_hideyuki&utf8=%E2%9C%93 . How much time would it take to do it?
6. I also want to do comics. When do I start Reading about paneling, composition and all of that jazz? Do I do it now or only after getting a solid understanding of the fundamentals?
That's all. Hope someone can answer them
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No.4794
>>4792
1. I don't know, I've never done Daesh-a-box
2 Yes, if you want to get better at drawing you have to draw and should follow the book as it asks even if it seems like a chore
3. No, they are dated but good-certainly better than Bridgman for example. That's not to say that you shouldn't look into other authors as well. Hampton's Figure Drawing: Design and Invention for example has the modern advantage of color printing which allows you to more easily differentiate between different body muscle groups
4. I don't recall how much How to Draw delves into the subject of perspective so it depends on that I guess
5. Try not to think about things like that and instead focus on your own progress
6. It won't hurt to study that stuff now as long as you're getting a lot of good drawing time in as well.
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No.4795
>>4791
Use a brush that has some "give", whatever you're using currently the thickest lines are barely discernible from the thinnest ones.
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No.4797
>>4792
1. No. Do both.
2. Draw. Draw like a motherfucker, do not look for places to skip or get out of drawing.
3. No, do them. Don't listen to the negativity.
4. No, do them both.
5. As much time as you make it. The more you avoid drawing and applying what you are learning, the longer it will take. You need to hit 10,000 hours of drawing time to be expert level. You can take 50 years to get in 10,000 hours if you'd like, or you can put in 250 40 hour weeks and be an expert in about 5 years. This is assuming you use the time wisely.
6. Whenever you are inspired to. Do it now, use it as practice for the fundamentals.
TL;DR
DRAW DRAW DRAW
>>4795
Thanks, I hear you. I'm still getting used to Krita, I used a wet brush for one of those and a 2B pencil for the other. Not 100% happy with either, I need practice.
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No.4798
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No.4799
>>4798
Note the angle of the head in the reference, the owl's head and eyes are practically horizontal but actually angles upwards slightly as opposed to the big dip you've portrayed in your image.
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No.4801
>>4798
Try that drawing again, but follow this video to a T: https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/sketching-lines
I bet you'll like the results better.
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No.4802
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
3) Drawing 2
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/canvas-rotation
Homework:
Attached. I gave it a go and got furious at my tablet, so I'll post the finished version later.
Bonus homework: for Krita, the default controls are:
PAN: SPACEBAR, like photoshop
ROTATE CANVAS: SHIFT + SPACEBAR + LEFT CLICK
ZOOM: mousewheel OR CTRL + MMB
The defaults for my wacom bamboo suck. One button on my pen allows me to click + press to zoom (touchy and weird) and the other button is RMB. Of course I can customize this, but then I have to carry that customization across workstations/laptops. FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS AMIRIGHT?
I changed it to Pan/scroll for the top button and middle click for the bottom button. That lets me pan and zoom well enough. With my left hand on Shift + Space I can rotate easily enough, but I think this little Bamboo is going to go away soon. Originally I liked the small size but I'm very quickly outgrowing it.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/the-power-of-line-weight
I'm excited for this one, I love artists who have a good command of line weight. Joe Madureira comes to mind.
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No.4807
>>4794
>>4797
Thanks for the replies. I'll keep going against wind and rain
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No.4808
>>4802
Need to work on this, but I'm happier now than I was last time I tried this. Intuos makes a big difference.
Krita is…interesting. I'm not 100% in love with it. The Wacom support is surprisingly wonky. Also strange is that brush presets reset between brushes. You have to do this to make it behave like I would have assumed would have been default:
https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/64689/remember-brush-size-when-switching-between-brushes-in-krita
To save the brush size of a preset, you have to enable the " Temporarily save tweaks to presets" check box in the brush editor.
Assuming you are on the latest version of Krita, Press F5 and then just click on the check-box which says "Temporarily save tweaks to presets" as shown in the image below.
This will make sure your tweaks or changes to the brush preset such as opacity flow size are remembered until you close Krita.
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
3) Drawing 2
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/canvas-rotation
Homework:
Attached.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/the-power-of-line-weight
Yay!
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No.4811
>>4799
>>4801
thanks anons, already feel like I'm improving
I tried it again, but kept running into problems that I didn't notice in the beginning, before I restart, I must ask, was I at least on the right path?
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No.4812
>>4811
As long as you're drawing and looking out for those sort of discrepancies in your drawing and the reference you're using you're on the right path.
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No.4814
>>4811
> was I at least on the right path?
Definitely.
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
3) Drawing 2
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/the-power-of-line-weight
Homework:
None given, going to do something with line weight anyway. Good video.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/simplifying-form
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No.4815
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No.4818
I could use a little direction, as I am not sure what to do. So far, I've been drawing squares and boxes in perspective, and then drawing circles in squares. I've also been grinding away drawing lines; I've actually gotten use to it and can draw a straight line, albeit horizontally (still having troubles doing vertical lines). I've been doing the drawabox exercises for a while, although it has been slow since I have a 9-5 job, at the end of which, I am shattered.
Anyway, I've been drawing shapes and would like to draw something that I want to draw; chicks in poses. Not the most extravagant of goals, but it's mine. The thing is though, I pull up a reference image and I go blank. I could start drawing gesture poses, but when it comes to fleshing the figure out, I am completely lost.
Reading what I wrote, it sounds silly but I could use a little direction as to how I should progress. Something that helps is doing exercises, currently going through the sticky and notice that it gives a good overview of certain subjects and then links to other sources (most often, they don't necessarily have any practice exercises). Could someone help?
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No.4819
>>4818
Practice making compound shapes in perspective with just cubes, spheres, cylinders and cones. Another thing you can do is find figure reference and draw the figure as 3d basic shapes. Once you can do that well enough you can start learning about anatomy, once you build enough of a knowledge base of anatomy then you can start adding anatomy on top of those basic shapes to flesh it out.
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No.4820
>>4819
>first image
m-…muh dik
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No.4828
Since the initial burst settled down i am starting to try to make a routine, though it's kind of hard to do so.
Since then i managed to find some time to stop in a shop and buy some actual pens rubber and such.
I added a bascinet to the frog mouth plus started a barbute and redrawn the edges with a pinpoint pen, then i tried my hands at some fantasy weapons, namely a scimitar and a partisan/double sided axe pole arm.
After that i made a very small dungeon/crypt layout. The idea behind it is that it contains 3 vampires or undead or something familiar which are locked in the innermost chamber. The three bowls are for the sacrifices blood or meat (depending what it contains) and is locked tight with a double sided door. The room with a single stone altair with a hole is to bleed/kill the sacrifice and the long room is for the remains and bodies to be dumped.
The next two are just outlines. Got the idea from the other anon who actually does lessons and such
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No.4829
>>4828
As a bonus: This is what i produced right after i got home whith the new supplies, needless to say i still have to figure it out.
The other one is me trying some drawing from imagination that got out of hand. my process was: i tried to draw a shark from memory but ended up looking up a picture of it, but since i wanted to make something from my imagination, i tried to make a landshark with 4 legs. But that's kind of ordinary, so i went for an alien species based on a landshark instead (3 eyes, 4 legs, 2 arms), but then i kind of just started to add some "tech" and it became similar to a soldier so i just drew it as one. though i forgot to draw the second back leg After that, mostly for shits and giggles i tried to do a manta ray aircraft.
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No.4830
>>4829
Sometimes i wonder if i'm an actual autist or someone really bored
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No.4831
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
3) Drawing 2
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/simplifying-form
Homework:
Find an object, draw from observation, then draw it from a variety of imaged camera angles.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/form-not-shape
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No.4832
>>4831
I'm not going to spend a shit-ton of time on this one. The visualizing part I've got down pat, the simplifying form part will need work but fuck am I tired of still lifes.
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No.4851
Had to step away from still life from a minute, get back to what inspires me.
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No.4864
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No.4865
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No.4866
>>4865
Look closer at the beetle's "tusks", they are not perfectly cylindrical and actually have areas that are angular and flat! Keep up the hard work.
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No.4869
>>4866
Yeah, for sure. I kinda went quick to get the gist of it rather than going for 100% accurate details.
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
3) Drawing 2
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/reintroducing-the-still-life
"Think of still lifes not as boring or too academic, but as a targeted way to improve."
Homework:
Work from real observation over photos. One aspect at a time. Get friendly with still lifes.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/real-object-imaginary-details
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No.4870
>>4866
Just for you, mate.
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No.4876
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No.4877
>>4876
I really need to work on this.
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No.4885
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
3) Drawing 2
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/exaggeration
Homework:
None given but this is too good to pass up. This isn't about cartooning as much as it is about observing.
lovecastle.org is down, and from an old post I found has been down since 2013 or so. Found these alternatives:
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.fineart.sk/
https://www.quickposes.com/en
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/expressiveness-in-drawing
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No.4886
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No.4887
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No.4894
>>4887
Yeah, those are pretty bad. I'm still trying to get used to the tablet/monitor thing. I'm too much of a poorfag to afford the Wacom tablet with the screen built in. Also, they are, uh, "intentionally exaggerated". Yeah. I'm going with that.
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
3) Drawing 2
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/expressiveness-in-drawing
wtf now i love Glen Keane.
Homework:
Long, expressive lines. Gesture. More cartooning, which I'm ok with.
Current playlist:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/draw-100
100?! lol wat
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No.4895
>>4894
You don't need a tablet with a screen built in, but you should get a Huion Giano at the very least. Anything less is wowrthless.
t. acktual tablet expert
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No.4896
>>4895
>Huion Giano
I've got a Wacom available to me atm and zero funds. GOTTA MAKE DUE.
Honestly, it's me, not the tablet. I'm the one that needs work.
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No.4897
>>4896
I use a Wacom Intuos Large atm, but I've used a ton of other models including a Cintiq and the Giano is easily the second best tablet of that sort available. It's all about the drawing surface to screen ratio my dude. Cintiqs and the like are overrated af, but admittedly having one of the big ass ones would be pretty cool.
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No.4898
>>4896
>>4897
I'm slightly less embarrassed by a second effort on paper. TBH, that first digital draft is almost perfect for its derp effect.
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No.4900
>>4898
It actually does look kind of endearing, doesn't it? At any rate one important concept to familiarize yourself with at this stage is "plumb lines", in other words the perfectly vertical or horizontal (not to mention invisible) lines which relate one part of an observed image to another. It's a very helpful tool to make use of.
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No.4906
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No.4907
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No.4908
Wow, drawing is fucking hard.
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No.4909
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No.4910
>>4900
Heard, I'm going to work on plumb lines. Her right cheek was still fucky, even on paper. WORK WORK WORK.
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
3) Drawing 2
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/draw-100
Homework:
Draw 100 of a specific problem area that gives you trouble. Think structure, not presentation. Think about form. Trace for warmup (tracing is not a crime, lol). Then work "next" to the image. Get OUTSIDE your comfort zone for 100 drawings.
This is kind of ironic, as this idea was kind of what started me on these videos. Drawing itself was outside my comfort zone. I had put it away almost completely. But then I wanted to learn to draw feet, as a challenge to myself (I've heard lots of artists avoid them because they're difficult). So…subject chosen.
Current playlist:
4) Composition Basics
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/welcome-to-composition-basics
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No.4911
>>4910
1 of 100. Traced this one, since that was allow-able in the homework and I've never traced digitally. Shit, I haven't traced on paper since I was a kid (I always felt like it was "cheating").
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No.4912
>>4911
Tracing for learning purposes is GOOD
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No.4913
>>4912
I trace for doing furfag porn commissions since furfags are too stupid to tell
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No.4914
>>4913
You fool, that's how you create drama singularities. Someone will find out sooner or later.
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No.4915
Can I get some tips, /loomis/?
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No.4916
>>4915
You're doing fairly well. Note man in the reference image is leaning a bit further to the right and his stance is wider. Use those imaginary plumb lines to recognize things like that. Note how in the reference image the man's left leg is a bit "higher" than his right, whereas the opposite occurs in your drawing. It's all about finding those kinds of spatial relationships.
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No.4917
>>4912
Agreed, but I'm not practicing plumb lines, under-drawing and proportion, or a lot of the other stuff I'm trying to pick up along the way. I'll probably trace here and there for practice but I don't want to become reliant on it. :/
>>4913
trace-whore :^)
>>4915
The model's torso is more dynamic and diagonal than what you drew. Same with the hips/legs, there is more "tension" in the model than the drawing.
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/
3) Drawing 2
Watched:
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/draw-100
Homework:
Draw 100 of a specific problem area that gives you trouble. Think structure, not presentation. Think about form. Trace for warmup (tracing is not a crime, lol). Then work "next" to the image. Get OUTSIDE your comfort zone for 100 drawings.
Foot drawing #002, another trace.
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No.4919
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No.4921
More trace-work. This is fun.
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No.4922
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No.4923
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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No.4924
So, how is it? I didn't bother cleaning it because I didn't want to take it anywhere, but how good does it look?
I'll try actually using reference instead of trying to remember how the standard sizes for limbs are next time.
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No.4925
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>>4924
Its bad; use reference; draw more. Hell, even when your drawings are not bad, the answer is usually to use reference and draw more. It seems to be aspiring artists are compelled to do everything freehand and from imagination. I have even noticed this in myself and it has led me to putting more effort in not doing this.
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No.4926
>>4924
In so many words "not great", unfortunately.
Get a light loose brush for whatever software you're using that's that's more conducive to sketching and use that first and foremost, shouldn't take you more than an hour with google to find something adequate as far as that goes. From that point on you're going to want to continue any observational drawing practice you've been getting in like the Bargue Drawing Course.
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No.4927
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No.4928
What are some good tutorials to start with, on how to draw clothing/folds in cloth?
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No.4929
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No.4930
>>4819
Alright, this was harder than I thought. Kinda hard getting the cube to conform the body's shape. Like I can do the first bit of the second picture, but then it's the bit afterwards that I can't seem to draw.
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No.4931
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No.4932
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No.4933
>>4932
>>4931
>>4929
>>4927
>>4919
>>4917
>>4911
I wish you the best in your quest to git gud, but I don't think tracing is the fastest way to go about it. Good strokes though.
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No.4934
>>4933
Agreed, I was going to allow myself about 10 traces, then 10 side-by-side drawings, then get back to the usual visual reference, plumb line, box out under-drawing style for the remaining 80.
What is improving is line work and my overall comfort with my Wacom tablet and Krita as a program. I've had to fiddle with various settings and configurations (LOL at Windows, Krita, and Wacom trying to be smart about WTF I'm doing at any given time. When I tried to setup a Krita-specific profile in my Wacom driver, Windows kept telling Wacom I had switched programs, which I hadn't but stupid ass Windows allows fucking background programs to steal the cursor from the user, so it was giving me BOTH generic and Krita-specific inputs, resulting in fun stuff like the right click menu opening at the same time the canvas was rotating. Fucking fantastic, let me tell you.). Turns out I like the pen pressure turned way up (so my light strokes come across as heavier) but not to max so that I don't loose that gradient of input, and the "Bristles hairy" brush for my line-work. What I'd like is some kind of out-of-the-box default "canvas" option for Krita, where instead of alpha or solid color, the background was a nice off-white texture simulating cotton/linen.
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No.4958
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No.4959
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No.4960
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No.4961
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No.4962
>draw with arm by my side
>look down
>notice that when I try to draw a line straight up/down I'm moving my shoulder around and I unconsciously move my wrist to counter the down motion/up motion
>try drawing with my arm horizontal to my body
>suddenly lines get way better
I swear, there should be a limit to how retarded my mistakes are.
>>4925
>draw from imagination
Not exactly that, but I do tend to look at a lot of resources then wait a while and try to remember those resources from memory. It's not like I actually want to do that, I just end up doing it.
>>4926
Just googled sketching brush and downloaded a couple from the Krita site. It really does feel better this way.
Also, any observational drawings books you recommend, other than the Bargue Drawing Course one? My HDD got nuked a while back, so I'm making do with youtube videos and whatever infographs and pfds are posted in drawthreads for now.
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No.4963
>>4962
I think the first chapter or two of "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" is a great introduction to observational drawing.
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No.4964
>>4963
2nd for "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain". Great book.
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No.4965
Alright, first side-by-side. No tracing here!
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No.4966
I drew Gandalf and my hand.
Any advice? Except 'kill yourself'
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No.4967
>>4966
learn proportions, don't draw parts of a face first, when you can draw the whole head first, then after the head structure is complete THEN measure out face proportions, always draw lightly first, either sketch swift and lightly, or slow and steady, just be light as a feather when you put down your markings, remember to always think in 3d space, "learn to draw the other side before you draw what is in front of you". Just remember Proportions is key, then you can move on to value. It's also better to keep a single value when you do a drawing too, don't ever go dark right away, save that for last. JUST KEEP PRACTICING BOI.
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No.4968
>>4966
Kill yourself
just kidding man, you alright?
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No.4969
Thinking of buying the Drawing on the right side portfolio that has all the htings you need to actually complete the book
its a lot of money for me but the results ppl get from the actual course in just 5 days are amazing
can anyone give me a reason not to?
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No.4970
>>4969
It's really not necessary, man. In fact, the entire book isn't really necessary itself except for the "revelation" in the first or second chapter.
You need to understand how observational drawing "works" and the first chapter or so of Right Side is among the best introductions to that concept that I'm aware of, but beyond that the book's reliance on gimmicky tools is completely superfluous.
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No.4972
>>4966
This shows promise. Advice, as always: keep drawing!
>>4969
Honestly, I'd PDF it and do the work with whatever materials you have at home. #2 pencil and printer paper and you can do 80% of that book. $0 spent, serious skills gained. Spend your time and effort at getting gud, not your money.
>>4970
You're not wrong, but don't undercut the importance for a beginner to have structure in place, a guideline if you will, or a path to follow by someone who has walked it before, and helped others walk it as well. In that regard, DotRSotB is fantastic and should not be skipped by the absolute beginner, imho, unless something with better structure is put in its place.
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No.4973
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No.4983
I'm drawing boxes.
Should I just try to draw them in a quick and confident way, no matter how wobbly and shit it ends up being, or should I try and draw slow and careful and erase a line until I get it right?
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No.4986
>>4983
First slow, then fast
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No.4991
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No.5000
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No.5002
>>5000
Anon, this may just be a hunch, but do you perhaps have a feet fetish?
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No.5003
>>5000
Feet are usually considered difficult to draw, so I wanted a good challenge for my "Draw 100" video. also, yes, obviously :)
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No.5005
why do they look like shit wtf am i doing wrong
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No.5006
>>5005
Just practice, mate. It doesn't make sense, but your brain is learning even when it doesn't feel like it is.
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No.5007
How do I fucking paint this? I'm losing my mind.
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No.5008
>>5007
Pro here, do not steal.
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No.5009
>>5007
Well, you have to focus on painting what you see. Focus on the big picture first, work your way into the details with fine details being last
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No.5010
>>5009
I tried doing this already, but I still can't. I tried zooming in 900000% and still can't do shit.
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No.5011
>>5010
Big picture first. Don't zoom in, zoom out nigga
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No.5012
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No.5015
>>5008
You're focusing too much on the details. That's not even advised for the final product.
First you need to look at the big picture, the shape of the mountain and all, then you see what the details look like from far away. If you can't see something well unless you zoom in, don't bother. If you can't see something well, draw it in a very simplified way.
I'm already shit naturally, plus I haven't used my tablet in a few months, so it's shittier than usual, but webm related should still show you kind of how it's done hopefully.
x4 times because I'm fucking slow.
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No.5016
>>5015
>If you can't see something well unless you zoom in, don't bother.
That's where people can't understand what I want to study in this piece. I want to know what should I do to make a copy as faithful as possible from the original, not just about the big shapes.
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No.5018
>>5016
My painting was overly simplified, but still, you need to start from the beginning. There's no reason to waste your time on details when there isn't even a proper foundation. Start big, then go down to the details.
Besides, you're painting, not taking a picture. There's a limit to how much detail you need. There's a point where extra details don't add anything to the picture and just become gimmicky. Those flowers on the foreground, for example, are the most detailed part of the painting you could do in this case, and yet they could be simply made using 3 colors max and look just as good, if not better, than if you went and tried to make every pixel of it perfect.
This guy right here, is an example of something overly detailed. I zoomed in way too much and painted even his legs using a different color from his pants. That's not something you see from looking at the picture at 100% zoom, even less so if you only gloss over the imagine, like you'd normally do. Just like the flowers, because of the size, you could use three colors max and it'd look just as good.
If you want to do something more detailed you can, just not in this picture.You would need to make your canvas way bigger, and also need a better pic.
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No.5019
>>5018
Also, that's not a shitpost. I just closed krita and I didn't feel like waiting for it to open again.
Just FYI
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No.5020
>>5018
So where is do you find when to stop zooming the details?
I mean, I can get how you would do it with a tire, a lamp, a car, but with bushes and foliage EVERYTHING is details. How do you not detail it? That's actually one of the reasons I can't do hair, but hair is still 900% easier because isn't so broken up like leaves and grass.
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No.5021
>>5020
Honestly, I don't know. It's different for every picture. That's something you learn with time.
What I'd do is look at an picture at an 1:1 ratio of your canvas to see how it should look, then only draw what you see. You can zoom in to see how details actually are and why do they look the way they look, but ultimately you're looking to draw it as close as you're seeing it from a glance.
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No.5024
>>4928
The most disappointing thing about this post is the fact it's been almost a month without a reply to it.
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No.5026
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No.5032
>>4127
tried my hand at drawing the owl but holy shit does it's feathers triggered me
then again the last time i draw something was on a notebook on highschool 2 months ago
r8
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No.5033
>>5032
also
>phone
yeah my scanner borked itself and i'm better at #2 than tablet
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No.5038
How much drawing ability is needed for 3d work? I can make guns and stuff but I am not good at people?
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No.5039
>>5038
none, but learning how to draw teaches you how to think about proportion/anatomy/design etc. which will help your 3d work
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No.5043
>finish the first chapter of keys to drawing
>slack off and forget to keep going or practice
>can't draw for shit
>try redoing the first exercise but I fuck up and get too frustrated
Just fuck my shit up.
I also end up getting to distracted since I live in a house w/paper thin walls, no room of my own, and 4 other loud people
being underageb& is suffering
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No.5044
>>5043
That sounds miserable my man. I am truely sorry for your lots.
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No.5045
>>5044
Thanks dubsman. Can anyone here recommend or discourage /late/ drawing?
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No.5046
>>5045
I'm old as shit and despite only starting a few years ago I've greatly improved (though I'm still awful, mind you). Most people don't really have the maturity to practice drawing or painting effectively until their mid teens anyway-try starting in your late 20s and come at a nigga about /late/ fam smh tbh
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No.5048
>>5038
>How much drawing ability is needed for 3d work?
It will become obvious in your work that you don't have a traditional art background at some point. You'll hit a plateau that you just can't explain or overcome.
>>5045
Kids get distracted easily and aren't willing to put in the hard work.
>>5045
Oldfag here as well, and I mean that in both ways.
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No.5049
>>5045
I work all day so I don't really have any other choice. It's pretty chill but also easy to develop a terrible sleeping schedule as a result. Gotta manage your time efficiently and whatnot.
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No.5053
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No.5055
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No.5057
i have not drawn in years, i just traced a pic of a character from a favorite artist, tell me how i did, also take a guest of who it's based of. also ive been try for a while to understand on thing and that is how to draw original characters i know that you cant teach originality and i am not going to ask, i just want to know to process to making it, like how to make a skeleton for it then filling it with the details, but i dont know how, and cant seem to understand it. also sorry about the image i dont know how to fix it.
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No.5072
i have a h610 and the pen randomly activates when hovering or the mouse dissapears and reappears somewhere else
pen is only a couple weeks old
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No.5073
>>5072
ah no
pen seems fine
i noticed at certain spots on the tablet it constyantly activates the pen even when just hovering
anything i can do to fix it?
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No.5074
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No.5096
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No.5098
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No.5108
Reference used, but no trace and no side-by-side.
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No.5112
Some Krita documentation I looked up today, want to document.
Grids and Guides
https://docs.krita.org/Grids_and_Guides
This docker controls the look and the visibility of both the Grid and the Guides decorations. It also features a checkbox to quickly toggle snapping on or off.
Mirror Tools
https://docs.krita.org/Mirror_Tools
Horizontal Mirror Tool - Mirror the results along the horizontal axis.
Bezier Curve Tool
https://docs.krita.org/Bezier_Curve_Tool
You can draw curves by using this tool. Click the left mouse button to indicate the starting point of the curve, then click again for consecutive control points of the curve.
Krita will show a blue line with two handles when you add a control point. You can drag these handles to change the direction of the curve in that point.
Snapping
https://docs.krita.org/Snapping
Snapping:
In Krita 3.0, we now have functionality for Grids and Guides, but of course, this functionality is by itself not that interesting without snapping.
Snapping is the ability to have Krita automatically align a selection or shape to the grids and guides, document center and document edges. For Vector layers, this goes even a step further, and we can let you snap to bounding boxes, intersections, extrapolated lines and more.
All of these can be toggled using the snap pop-up menu which is assigned to Shift+S.
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No.5114
>>5096
>>5098
>>5108
Are those traces?>>5108
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No.5115
>>5114
No, 5096 and 5098 are "side by sides" and 5108 is just a normal reference piece. 5096, it's pretty obvious in the long toe of her right foot (2nd toe, near the top of the page) that it's not a trace. Same with the fourth toe on 5098, very obviously not a trace. 5108, the big toe of her left foot is a big give away that it is not a trace.
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No.5116
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No.5117
So do I just keep attempting these (Obviously in different poses) until I get better?
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No.5118
>>5117
Yes. Draw, draw, draw. I mean, to get the most out of it, make sure to critique your own artwork (in a positive way, don't beat yourself up over mistakes, learn from them instead). But even just drawing drawing drawing will lead to gains.
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No.5120
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No.5122
Never posted here before, wathcha fags think? What's good and what needs improvement?
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No.5131
>>5122
Good instincts, work on a solid, smooth line. DRAW DRAW DRAW!
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No.5139
There are people who can draw something like this in under half an hour. That's my end goal.
Now, unfortunately for me, I was an idiot who learned how to write instead of how to draw. Writing is worthless, but that's a subject for another day. I haven't drawn anything better than a stick figure in about 20 years.
I'd ask where to begin but I know I'll be pointed at Loomis. I've done the Fun With a Pencil book and had to drop it because I couldn't follow the first rule of having fun with it.
I'm not even particularly interested in being able to draw things quickly. Just being able to bust out a cute, if mediocre on closer inspection, anime girl within a few hours would make me the happiest person in the world.
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No.5141
>>5139
(3 years of practice and this is the best I can do.)
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No.5143
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No.5148
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No.5149
Some of my latest travesties.
>>5141
M8, what have you been drawing?
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No.5153
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No.5156
>>5153
Keep going m8, you have a really solid foundation Maybe you could try adding more values of light and dark.
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No.5157
>>5156
Thanks, I'm being lazy. #26 took 2+ hours, which I simply do not have in my life right now. I totally hear what you're saying, the overall contrast is low and I'm missing key details in places, but it simply comes down to how much time I can put into each piece, how long I have to render it out.
I'm reviewing my process and trying to find areas to speed it up. My underdrawings take forever, and I realized I'm trying to lay down a shape, then check for it's x,y location using reference/plumb lines, etc. Then I have to go back and move/fix that shape to fit the correct x,y location. So this time (#27) I'm trying to lay down key points first, then try to get the basic shape/form in, and hopefully cut down the amount of erasing/redrawing that goes on for the preliminary stuff. Once I've got a good underdrawing in place, the line work seems to go much better, and I can de-focus/zone out with some tunes and the trust that the proportions are more or less OK.
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No.5159
>>5141
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg… and my arm… even my fingers. The body I've lost… the comrades I've lost… won't stop hurting… It's like they're all still there.
You feel it, too, don't you?
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No.5160
I really should draw more often. I tried doing this exercise multiple times but fucked up and gave up, over and over, until I finally decided to finish it today.
Are any of you faggots inspired by anyone not art related? Personally, I was listening to buckethead and realized how he must've practiced a lot to get as good as he is at the guitar, and probably still is trying to get better to this day.
>>5159
>practicing anime
>before giitting gud at realism
Follow "The Keys to drawing" m8, it's what I'm reading.
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No.5169
>>5160
"Draw what you don't like for ten years and you might be able to draw what you do like" sounds like a hell meme to me.
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No.5170
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No.5176
FUCKING TAKES FOREVER but at least I'm happier with the range of values in this one.
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No.5196
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No.5198
>>5169
yea maybe. but how do you progress by copying stylized pictures all day. That's like me trying to learn by copying 90's cartoon network shows. you just get a crappy version of what ever ideas they had.
advice: draw what you want alongside learning the fundamentals.
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No.5206
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No.5214
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No.5229
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No.5245
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No.5249
I'm not used to drawing women, and it's my first time drawing anatomy using clip studio.
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No.5251
>>4124
Once this thread reaches page 3 I'll make the next /beg/ thread with a brand new set of images to study, I considered page 13, but that would take 2 years to reach :'^)
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No.5270
>>5251
Actually, at the rate threads are made on /loomis/, it will take 8 months for this thread to hit page 3, so I'll make a new one when this falls off the front page if that's alright with /loomis/ BO.
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No.5293
someone has to fix this trash
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No.5420
Bit late but here we go, new thread! :
>>5415
>>5415
>>5415
>>5415
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No.6052
>>4748
Literally happened to me three days after buying Skyrim. vidya just feels like meaningless bullshit right now. I think I'm gonna craigslist my 4k screen and buy a tablet instead. Ava's Demon and K6BD really inspired me to get gud at art.
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No.11086
What site is currently best for sharing your art? Is there any /loomis/ favorite, or does everyone have their preferences?
I wan't to share my drawings, but I'd also like to avoid (as much as possible) the more frenzied parts of sites like Tumblr and Deviantart.
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No.11279
>>5002
Why are there so many damn foot fetishists in here?
I even like feet, but damn can't you draw something else for fuck's sake?
If it was 2D feet instead of 3D feet I might have a different opinion.
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