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 No.11729

first there were cave paintings, and then shit like hieroglyphs where they got a better handle of proportions, and then there was perspective, and now we've had photorealism for long enough that (((modern "art"))) has been around for a while as a response to conventional art.

i don't think this is the end though. i think it's naive and hubristic to believe that we've reached the pinnacle of what can be done with art from a technical perspective. i'm pretty sure cavement fingerpainting with berry juice tens of thousands of years ago thought the same thing. so what do you think might be the next advancement? maybe there's a human sense that we haven't discovered yet, or maybe it's possible to make images that stimulate your brain so that it makes you hallucinate smells, but the guy who invents that won't be born until 2118

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 No.11730

>>11729

In terms of painting tools, the endgame will probably be something that lets you morph the images in your head onto the canvas. It'll look like a blurry mess at first because I doubt anyone can imagine crystal clear images with all the details at once in their head, but once you look at that blurry mess you'll be able to imagine more detail and changes onto it and keep repeating that process until it's done.

That said even our 2D painting software is still all shit, and if Photoshop is the cap then they're actually getting worse.

Visually there's nothing you can't already do with existing tools, the limitations are primarily in the area of interaction with the art, e.g. moving around in it or perceiving it with other senses than sight/sound. Another is seeing 3D art merged with real life, such as with holograms.

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 No.11731

We've had photorealism before photography. It was just much rarer 500 years ago because of the time it took and the expense of materials. As far as I understand it, acrylics were a huge gamechanger and are only about 50 years old. You can even see some paintings from the renaissance where the greats presumably ran out of time for a commission or just lost interest and only one face is properly rendered, and it doesn't look like an artistic device simplifying all the others. But that one face looks photorealistic.

What's completely new as an art form is animation, especially digital. Most of it is awful even today, but if you take things like the Dragons from GoT yeah it's an all round shit show they're really beautifully done. Regular photography and filming can be a sort of art using artistic devices, of course. But they still haven't replareplaced drawing, painting etc.

What I'm getting at is "traditional" will never disappear but who knows what kind of advances in tech or just popularisation of use of it might drive new art that isn't shit. We cannot know.

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 No.11732

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>>11731

>replareplaced

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 No.11733

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>>11729

Computers will produce all art in the future. Feed it parameters or let it randomly create based on a stack and it will spit out masterpieces daily. People will simply stop caring about physically doing artwork. It'll be similar to how comic books now use 3d models almost exclusively and trace over them. Google sketchup backgrounds are everywhere. Everyone of these images is completely traced from 3d models, even the people. The car monster is just 3d cars rearranged. The overpass is traced. The people are traced - only actual work is giving some comic book costumes or faces.

Computers will do this type of work easily in the future. Why even have a person involved? Just tell it what you want and it will produce it. Same will apply to paintings and sketches. People already give too much credit to people as "artists" for concept art made from photobashing or deviant art fags painting over images and all the retarded brushes for leaves and shadows and ink blots and any effect imaginable. There's little talent in tracing. It's not referencing. It's not skill. Computers will replace that easily and are even doing it now to some extent. People will eventually not care about the 3 years someone took painting a portrait when the computers spit out better looking ones in minutes. Art as a human pursuit will die off and "artists" will simply be operators of machines, feeding inputs and adjusting filters for different stylistic choices. Will be a purely commercial en devour for ads or movie storyboards or what have you.

Music is going the same way. Songs are written by committee now, but soon the computer will be able to shit out 3 note pop songs and lyrics. Photo digital models and 3D hard light projections will be musicians of tomorrow with perfect pitch and sound.

Art will not exist as we know it in 100 years.

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 No.11734

>>11733

>an endless supply of JLullaby level porn tailored to my taste, and no cuck shit

beautiful

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 No.11736

>>11733

Thank god that in reality A.I. is a gay meme that won't actually go much farther than doing simple, repetitive work. The people talking about the future of A.I. are like people in the 80s who thought we were going to have flying cars by now. You're right about how lazy comics are though, and there's a reason nobody buys them.

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 No.11740

>>11736

I didnt say AI you mongoloid.

https://futurism.com/incredibly-realistic-faces-generated-neural-network

This is from a neural network. Realistic people generated by computers. They can do the same for art, especially within a few decades and after technology is further developed and costs reduced.

https://davidkirkconceptart.wordpress.com/2014/12/31/photo-bashing-and-overpainting/

This is photobashing. All that "amazing concept art" for alien worlds and video games and movies is photobashing. No thought or effort or imagination put into it. They release entire art books on this trash and majority of it is tracing nevada desert and adding some flair to make it mars or some other alien planet. Crazy futuristic cities are just photobashed together and add grime and haze. The illusion that people are actually creating these things is why computers will be able to do it on a neural network just like those faces in the future. They'll eventually feed basic parameters into it and get a jungle world or dystopia or utopia based setting and can tweak them as they see fit for minor adjustments. But the computer will do all the real work.

This has nothing to do with some skynet magic AI. That will never happen.

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 No.11759

>>11740

And yet, real music still exists amidst drum machine and autotuned pop songs. I don't doubt mainstream or commercial art will go the way you say. It's arguably gone downhill before computer advancements. Art as we know it will always be around.

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 No.11761

>>11740

Thankfully not all art is concept art.

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 No.11766

>>11759

autotune is the photoshop of music.

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 No.11767

>>11766

More like Cubase. I once worked with a musician proficient at it who wanted to record some harmonica licks for an album and despite my sub-par playing he fixed and edited it stunningly to fit with the rest of his composition.

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 No.11774

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>>11766

>>11767

i can 100% tell you niggers don't even know how a DAW works at all

HURRR DIGITAL = INSTANT MAGIC

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 No.11775

>>11774

this tbh lad

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 No.11776

>>11774

Have you tried both photoshop and a DAW?

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 No.11778

>>11776

That's how you end up with a trumpet boy meme.

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 No.12473

>>11733

>>11740

Traditional and man-made art will always have a niche. AI or neural networks will never completely take over, as there will always be people who want something unique that was made by a human.

Even today, made to order furniture is a thing. It is just became more of a luxury nowadays. Despite photography's existence, family portraits are a thing too. People pay a lot to have their family or pets painted.

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