No.98452
Fact:
Traditional Marriage as it was practiced before first wave feminism 100+ years ago, was created without the state, across cultures through voluntary social interactions.
We would likely to go back to such a system. The only reason why people still get married is that they mistake and get fooled by civil marriage and think it's real marriage.
In actual fact just having a long-term gf is more real of a marriage, than actually marrying her under state marriage, because it's natural for women to ONLY get your ressources, if they stay with you. You corrupt that and basically create an incentive for women to immideatly leave men, once something is not to their liking, if you marry them.
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No.98459
>>98452
The role of the state in marriage is entirely opposed to the premise of libertarianism, what is challenging about this?
>Long term gf
You mean a concubine, you degenerate?
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No.98462
>>98459
>You mean a concubine, you degenerate?
You mean a common law wife, you degenerate?
Do you know what the old testament says about a horny young couple that wants to fuck desperately?
They say that if you have to, then do it and guess what happens in the moment they have sex? They consumate their marriage.
Women want ressources from the man, the man wants to have sex, create children and a have a family and heir.
Now if you allow the woman to just retain the same standard of living with a divorce (this is litearlly how it is written into our law books) and still get his finanical money, despite no longer being with him, then you INVERT the natural incentive for marriages and stable marriage and create anti-marriage.
State Marriage is not marriage, it's anti-marriage.
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No.98468
>>98462
We're on the same page as far as state involvement goes. Your last post promoted getting a concubine instead of a wife, and that's wicked.
A common law wife is a wife, you said "long term gf". If you meant wife I have no problems.
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No.98473
>>98468
OP means "wife in every aspect except the legal one," the reason being that legal marriage creates certain incentives that most men would like to avoid. Not saying I agree, but he isn't calling for a concubine.
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No.98474
>>98473
A woman who cohabitates with you and is not married to you is by definition a concubine
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No.98484
>>98459
A concubine is a whore you pay to live with you in the same house as your wife.
Please learn to use words.
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No.98487
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No.98489
>>98473
Long-term cohabitation is seen as marriage by the state.
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No.98540
look, you used a loaded word, which is not a very nice thing to do. maybe some dictionary somewhere supports your use of the word, but posting a (possibly altered) image of the page does not support your use of the word in any way. instead you could post a pointer to the dictionary, and then, if the content at that pointer supports your use of the word, there remains the status of the dictionary. is it a good dictionary? anyone can make a dictionary, who made that dictionary? what are the qualities of that dictionary? does everyone agree that that is a legitimate dictionary for this purpose? if not then either find a dictionary everyone here can agree on, or make a case why the dictionary you proposed should be accepted here. really, though, rather than devolving the discussion to authority, we should settle the issue ourselves. concubine is a loaded word to some people, as indicated by their reactions, so it's preferable to find a synonym that is not as loaded. on the other hand, don't react to the loaded meanings of words, if you are discussing in good faith, and one person loses that good faith and tries to pull a "gotcha!" or otherwise tries to twist your words, they've lost the argument, because any reasonable person will realize that what the person said in good faith is not what the other person who is not speaking in good faith tried to make it seem like the person with good faith said. in the end, the only effect such quibbling will have is to disrupt the discourse and devolve it into hostile debates over what the definition of "is" is.
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No.98551
>>98487
Must have taken you hours to find that definition and you still cut out the clarification which mentions the concubine being subordinate to a wife that already exists.
By your logic a fiance is a concubine, please learn to use english.
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No.98557
>>98551
>Must have taken you hours
If you lived with your fiance, she would be a concubine. Don't do that.
You are truly a post-christian degenerate.
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No.98602
>>98557
That isn't how it works, you need to already be married to a woman, and then have another woman join you in your household to fuck. That is what concubine means you fucking idiot.
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No.99714
i can't imagine a libertarian being opposed to this. the state should have no business with my relationships and the state won't be receiving money for a license that proves i have one.
>>98462
who cares what you call your wife. she may upset you one day and you'll add the word bitch to the list of things you call her.
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No.99716
Im not legally married because fuck the femdom state. We're happy and we consider ourselves married. Fuck off with your word magic.
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No.99717
>>98452
>Things libertarians don't want to admit
I'll probably have to shoot Nazis long before I'll have to shoot Commies, to be honest.
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No.99718
>>99717
How do you figure? NEETSocs have no control over the state apparatus and they probably won't anytime soon. Any goons that kick down your door are going to be either commies or the tools of commies.
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No.99732
>>98452
If it was up to me, the state would get out of marriage, and marriages would henceforth be treated as contracts as far as the state is concerned, modified by religious canons. So if you are married by the Catholic Church, you don't get to divorce. When it's a muslim marriage, the women cannot divorce, but the man can do so unilaterally. And so on.
If it was up to me, everyone married couple would follow the rules of the Catholic Church, but where is the value in enforcing my religious views on what a proper marriage is on couples that do not share these views? If I can tolerate (in the true sense of that word) pagan chicks having open relationships, then I can tolerate muslims marrying five women at once. If they don't subsidize their bullshit, and am not obliged to respect it, then I am good. We live in an imperfect world, after all.
>Traditional Marriage as it was practiced before first wave feminism 100+ years ago, was created without the state, across cultures through voluntary social interactions.
But, anon, which libertarian would not admit that? I suppose left-wing libertarians, but there are very few on this board these days.
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No.99737
>>98602
>you need to already be married to a woman, and then have another woman join you in your household
That's what it means to you. That's not what it means to him or those people. I always thought it meant "woman who is less legally important than my wife, but one I nevertheless claim".
>>99718
He's worried about Australians showing up and murdering him, I think. Some idiots lately have been saying that.
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No.99757
>>99737
Nah, the shitposting cunts love me.
>>99718
Commie governments tend to collapse under their own weight anyways, and I'd fall under the special privileged class who gets to live the high life due to my skillsets in a commie government/flee the country when shit hits the fan. NEETSocs (who have a real chance of getting into power in a country that isn't 3rd world status already) when they get into power tend to fuck everything up in the process. Both would point a gun at my head and tell me that work makes me free, but the Commies at least intuitively understand that killing people like me is a quick step towards 3rd world status and give me cushiony living standards and sometimes even a girl to fuck.The Nazis just insist on me doing shit for them (or die) while living in abject poverty in their mockery of an economy that they claim is "booming." The NEETSocs are closer to the Mexican cartels in a lot of ways such as this. By process of elimination, I'd be more likely to point my gun at a NEETSoc invasion than a Commie invasion albeit I'd point my gun at either if I thought I had a winning chance.
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No.99770
>>99737
>LANGUAGE IS SUBJECTIVE
OK purple monkey dishwasher.
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