No.104932 [Last50 Posts]
I love liberty, but we lost.
When millennials and GenZ will get into governments seats, all western countries will end up into various degree of socialism.
This means that we need to start to prepare and learn how to profit from socialism.
Problem is that I have no idea how to do it. What would you think it could be the best course of action?
Of course, we're entering a dark era where there won't be place for conscience, so one will not be able to follow his libertarian principles in his actions.
I feel really unprepared.
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No.104933
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No.104934
Buy a lobbyist. Everyone else is already doing it.
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No.104935
>>104934
become a lobbyist*
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No.104941
>>104934
…are there any ancap lobbying organizations?
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No.104943
>>104932
Browneout, my dude.
More realistically, time to get into the gray and black markets.
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No.104947
>>104941
How could you classify lobbying agencies as being ancap?
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No.104959
Start killing now so that this won't be necessary.
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No.104961
>>104959
The state is not some 'death star' that will blow up if you shoot two proton torpedoes into a thermal exhaust port. Every part of the state is easily replaceable, killing randomly will do nothing to help your cause.
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No.104963
>>104943
Tldr on the book?
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No.104968
>>104963
I think it's about how the author found freedom in an unfree world.
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No.104983
This is an important thread. Because probably the most important way libertarianism can spread at this point is to sow seeds to be the first ones out of the gate when the collapse happens (relevant: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/07/atilla-mert-sulker/waiting-for-the-collapse-a-liberty-renaissance/ ).
>>104947
More or less Ron Paul's positions in Congress.
>>104963
It's a list of different tips to get more freedom, most of them regardless of the circumstances.
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No.105015
How do I get a flag next to my name
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No.105016
Make a huge enterprise and start monopolizing things.
Failing that, make or be a part of a cartel.
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No.105023
actually we need to start infiltrating the education system, that's where the state indocrinates children and gets its legitimation from. we need to become educators from kindergarden to university and try not to get kicked for being muh nazi
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No.105037
>>105023
Jeez, can you come up with anything dumber? You're not even willing to make ancap memes here for free, so what makes you think you can work long hours for the state for a shitty teacher salary to secretly try and indoctrinate students in such a Marxist environment? Getting children on our side should be a priority, but teaching libertarianism at an institution with such horrible reputation as a public school, you are only tarnishing our name and fanning the flames of the whole "capitalism can't exist without the state" thing.
Almost everyone secretly hates school, and for very good reasons, so instead of representing this prison for children as ancaps, we must support the kids, and be openly against it and encourage them to rebel. We must use trendy shit like anime and memes to confirm the children's suspicions of the state, because you can bet they already hate it, they are only being taught to unhate it.
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No.105039
>>105037
good luck trying to abolish the public education system, you won't be very successful. since kids already get indoctrinated at a very young age and most parents like the public education system memes won't do shit. the state needs the education system, not vice versa so if we can redpill the kids at a lower age instead of letting the socialists brainwash them first we can actually achieve something
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No.105040
>>105039
If you're able to get a government job as a teacher, I think the brainpower is better spent trying to get where they decide what the teacher has to teach.
Also creating courses and books and such stuff, especially cliff notes style of things that may be of interest to the kids somewhat.
I mean, imagine if Khan Academy teached history the ancap way.
In any case, I don't understand why you still have hope. I imagined this thread more on the line of how to profit and fuck the people, how to become a socialist in power and live an hedonistic life with the suckers money.
I mean, imagine having a selection of prostitutes snorting cocaine off your dick while the people starve and ask for more gibs. I kinda admire Chavez and Maduro, the CHADuro gang you could call them, since they promised to fuck everybody and the people couldn't do anything but beg for that BBC (BIG BOLIVARIAN COCK).
I mean, Maduro's daughter has like 3 billions or something of net worth and she didn't even need to open a lemonade stand. That's how you provide for your family, that's how you do it.
It's over guys, the west is over. Now it's time to prepare and find a way to do the fucking and doing it good.
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No.105042
>>105040
lol, what a loser, you want to use the state to rob your parents, your friends, and family to live like an animal?
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No.105162
>>105042
lol no.
If you are a socialist and you get into power, your friends and family will be set for life. Instead there is no advantage in fighting for freedom in a world where socialists have the power. They'll fuck you hard and you won't have anything to give your family.
Also, recently I had an interaction with a person defending really complex bureaucracy tormenting old and disadvantaged people, saying that everyone has to pay taxes even if they don't have the means to calculate them, and shit like that.
Why the fuck do I have to fight for his freedom? Fuck him. There is no hope, most people are like him and libertarians are a bunch of LOSERS who risk a lot to defend even the freedom of evil people like this.
Honestly, fuck them. I hate them. What's the point?
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No.105163
>>105162
if you are a principled libertarian that rejects ethical relativism this is plain contradictory and undermines our movement, don't become blackpilled so easily anon. educate yourself, work hard, become a respectable person, attend things like the PFS and meet people who think similarly.
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No.105164
>>105163
I do think that there are things that are ethical, but sadly just because I know that something is wrong, it doesn't mean that I won't do it if I make the right series of judgements.
For example my studies brought me to the conclusion that eating meat is wrong (except very specific cases), and yet I do it.
I don't think it's possible to live a perfectly ethical life and I think it would create a lot more suffering than it should. I don't know, I'm quite angry.
As for the PFS, I wish I could attend a meeting.
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No.105165
>>105015
Click "Show post options and limits" underneath the reply boxes.
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No.105166
>>105015
Newfag.
>>>/4gaggit/
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No.105167
>>104934
>Buy a lobbyist. Everyone else is already doing it.
Lobbyists are capitalist. They won't be needed under socialism.
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No.105168
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No.105169
>>105167
>They won't be needed under socialism
It doesn't matter if you need them or not, they are an inevitable outcome of centralized power.
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No.105187
CHE SHIRTS! GET YER CHE SHIRTS HERE
CAN'T GET W O K E WITHOUT YER CHE SHIRTS!
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No.105188
Plenty on smart capitalist are already exploiting these socialist idiots.
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No.105201
You speak about some degree of Socialism being found in goverments, which is related to millenials and so on. But let me ask a simple question; where the fuck you see, ideologically speaking, socialism in our governments?
I think you are pretty misunderstanding what Socialism is, probably referring to postmodern phenomenons as the aforementioned.
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No.105203
>>105201
>where the fuck you see, ideologically speaking, socialism in our governments?
The adulation of the state as the savior of all mankind, for starters. Whether it's FDR "saving capitalism from itself," Woodrow Wilson getting painted as the championship of the world peace, NASA saving us all from asteroids, or climate scientists promising us that giving them more money will change the weather, we are expected to see the state as a Messianic savior.
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No.105212
Wow, I just tried to find the terms 'tax evasion' and Bitcoin in this thread, and I'm puzzled to be the first one to mention those. Also, why do you use extreme examples like Venezuela when you would claim Europe is more socialist than US. And last but not least, not believing in climate disruption won't prevent it. In 30 years or so civilization will quite likely collapse, and something like the next financial breakdown might happen much earlier.
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No.105213
>>105212
>30 years
Try 75. The US isn't acting like a superpower at the end its lifespan, because the men in power don't act as if they're aware of the decline. We are in decline, but not yet in imminent decline.
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No.105214
>>105201
Socialism, or
>the collective ownership of the means of production
is a label that can certainly be applied to the current state of things. Year after year, the state has de facto monpolized an ever-increasing number of areas of the economy.
The fact is that it is considered *normal* in the west for the vast majority of highways, railways, airports and seaports to be owned and controlled by the government; for the state to directly administer the education of the entire country, from K1 to university, as well as most healthcare and pensions, from the day you're born to the day you die; for most sewage, water and electicity production and all transportation of the same to be done by state agencies; and for most nonviolent uses of private property use to be in some way constrained by the state via onerous regulation.
Before you made this question, you asked yourself
<what means of production does the state even control?
The fact that all of the things I listed above didn't even register in your mind as MoP, because you've internalized state control of them as the norm- that is what makes us say Socialism, ideologically speaking, is not only present but pervasive throughout the west.
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No.105240
>>105212
>Also, why do you use extreme examples like Venezuela when you would claim Europe is more socialist than US.
Because we wouldn't claim that. Please don't give me that "Nordic socialism" bullshit yet AGAIN.
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No.105246
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No.105263
>>104932
>How can we profit from the rise of socialism?
Easy, as a company start promoting left-wing values tricking millions of left-wing sheep into handing you money. It works for Google and Apple and every other tech company
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No.105264
>>104932
>rise of socialism
more like soycialism, and considering election results around the world, you're either shilling, or confusing loud shrieks of terror for "winning".
>>104933
you won't do shit.
if you were, you would already have.
since you didn't and you aren't, it means you won't.
"from my cold dead hands" elicit a "that will do" reaction from your opponents.
>>105263
google doesn't really make money, it extort things by pretending people watch ads.
since they're in charge of controlling it, you can guess how clean this is.
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No.105300
You should risk your life in terrorism, then you won't need to experience socialism either way.
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No.105301
>>105264
>more like soycialism, and considering election results around the world, you're either shilling, or confusing loud shrieks of terror for "winning".
What?
>you won't do shit. if you were, you would already have. since you didn't and you aren't, it means you won't.
Yes, you're right CIA, I won't do anything ever.
>google doesn't really make money, it extort things by pretending people watch ads.
Nigger none of what you wrote made any sense.
Is this bait? Because it's actually pretty believable in terms of bait.
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No.105343
>>104932
Nice blackpill. Me thinks you are not a friend of liberty.
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No.105345
Kike out and start selling welfare / unemployment / debt / etc.. insurance, because neetbucks will inevitably wither below consumption rates, even if the yang gang gets its way. It's like the generalized parkinson's law: The demand upon a resource tends to expand to match the supply of the resource (If the price is zero).
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No.105350
>>105345
<Kike out
>Take out student loan and go to community college
>Socialist president forgives student loan debt
>???
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No.105353
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No.105385
>>104932
Take out student loans and unironically use the funds to trade risky and volatile high-reward derivatives and/or shitcoins.
If you win, you win big. If you lose? No big deal, Uncle Bernie will forgive your student debt.
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No.105404
>>104932
>I love liberty, but we lost.
Relax sir. The pendulum will swing back again. The world does not stay still.
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No.105408
EVERYBODY PROFITS FROM A RISE OF SOCIALISM
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No.105409
>>105408
>ONLY THE POLITICIANS THAT SURVIVE PROFIT FROM THE RISE OF SOCIALISM
Fixed your grammar mistake.
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No.105411
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No.105414
Communists have a "with rope to kill them" thing so they actually love Cappies.
Antony Cyril Sutton talked about it.
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No.105430
>>105409
>everyone gets a free paycheck
how do you lose from this?
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No.105431
>>105430
>what is inflation
If you give everyone a thousand dollars a month the average cost of consumer goods purchased in 30 days will increase by about a thousand dollars. This isn't even getting into the downward spiral of productivity, the dysgenic effects of giving people money for nothing, or any other of the others problems associated with gibs.
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No.105432
>>105430
Well you'll need to steal massive amounts of money from the actual workers and producers to accomplish it for one.
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No.105436
If getting money out of politics is socialism, sign me up. Bernie is the only one doing it.
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No.105438
Get into a business that sell deep-fried degeneracy to low-IQ hordes, but pick one that TPTB won't target for taking too much advantage of their tardation.
So payday loans and lottery tickets are out, but maybe some kind of African-pride Tranny accessories.
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No.105439
>>105438
Never forget: the government gives the meat industry subsidies.
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No.105459
>>104932
Who says socialism is on this rise?
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No.105463
>>105459
look around, talk with people. Even supposedly well-educate people are in favor of socialism, since they think socialism is just free-healthcare and whatever magic can fix the world.
Pure brainlets, but that's what we have and why I want to find a way to get a big boot and put everyone under it.
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No.105503
social security: socialism
medicare: socialism
unemployment insurance: socialism
job training: socialism
corporate tax credits (for oil, corn, etc): socialism
SNAP benefits: socialism
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No.105505
>>105503
They're all under the umbrella of market interventionism. It doesn't matter whether it's socialism, keynesianism, mercantilism, or some other form of market interventionism that claims to be "different from the rest." They might be different degrees of stupid, but they're all stupid. People like you remind me of how nazis get butthurt that someone called nazism national-socialism or socialism; they try to distance themselves from the other failed ideologies while not changing the fundamental principles of those ideologies that cause them to fail.
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No.105510
>>104932
Simple, become a corrupt politician and skim the top of public funds.
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No.105535
>>105201
<where the fuck you see, ideologically speaking, socialism in our governments?
>the centripetal force giving more and more power to the central government isn't socialism
>doubling down on welfare state isn't socialism
>raising taxation and introducing retarded trade limitations isn't socialism
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