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Any thoughts about Tucker's snide against Austrian economics? (~3:55)
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No.104199
>>104198
They're better than the neocons, marginally. I'd rather have mercantilist buffoonery than mercantilist buffoonery but also foreign wars and refugees.
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No.104200
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No.104223
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>>102898
The only people who are into ancap shit are unemployed zoomers who still live with their parents so they can freely live in their ivory tower of weirdo ideals without having to face all the horrible consequences of neo-liberal economics
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No.104224
>>104223
I don't know any unemployed ancaps.
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No.104226
>>104224
From my experience, ancaps are either the unemployed highschool kids who still live with their parents (I consider working at McDonalds for 20 hours a week because their parents told them to get a summer job basically the same as unemployment) or young college kids who got a job through blatant nepotism doing busy work at their dads lawfirm for example. Its a really ivory tower ideology that can only come about from someone who doesnt have to worry about paying bills or playing the game of life in the exact same way socialist college kids live in a fantasy world of high ideals and not footing in the boring realities of life.
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No.104227
>>102906
>there's a reason austrian economics have fallen out of favor with "reputable" economists
because it doesn't favor the big government that the powers that be want?
>>102908
An increase in the supply of money will by its very nature lead to an increase in prices, barring a similar increase in the supply of goods or some manner of price control.
>>102909
>inadequate in cohering with our fundamental assumptions in modern neoclassical models
But it can't be that the newer models that fail time and time again are wrong.
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No.104228
>>104226
>it's another, "look at me I made a horseshoe theory, am I smart yet?" post
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No.104230
>>102898
Hayek disdained the rich though.
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No.104232
Just because you find the explanations of economics in austrain-economics believable it doesn't mean that you need to use those explanations in a libertarian way.
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No.104238
>>104232
Yes, it's theoretically possible to use the implications of economics in a totally misanthropic way, e.g. implementing price controls specifically because you want the price to increase and the quantity/quality to decrease. But why on earth would you choose to do that?
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No.104240
>>104228
Thats not even remotely close what I'm saying. Stop falling back into canned meme responses
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No.104264
>>104240
>canned meme responses
<ancaps are unemployed teenagers who live in an ivory tower
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No.104265
>>104240
>canned meme responses
>hurr highschool kids who live with their parents
>hurr ivory tower
>hurr lived experiences
>hurr ur just like socialist kids
Pots should learn not to call kettles niggers. The (you)s your post is getting are exactly as serious as it deserves.
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No.104266
>>104226
That's not my experience. Then again, the reason why our experiences differ is probably because ancaps hide their power level. You probably only know kiddo ancaps because only retarded people talk about politics in the open nowadays.
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No.104267
>>104266
>because ancaps [I know] hide their power level
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No.104271
>>104265
This thread made me realise I'm not very economically literate
Any reccomendations for unbiased econ101&201 textbooks?
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No.104272
>>104271
Depends what you mean by "unbiased." Most introductory micro textbooks are pretty faithful to their subject matter, it's just that their subject matter is neoclassical/Chicago School econ. As long as you go in knowing the shortcomings of the neoclassical school it can still be a very useful resource. There aren't all too many Austrian school textbooks out there, so if you want an Austrian school book you'll have to get a little closer to primary source—Rothbard, Hoppe and the like. This is the latest rendition of the reading guide, I believe that there are others. The Mises Wiki or mises.org articles are a good way to find information on specific subjects (e.g. free trade, automation, etc) without going through a whole book. Obviously the contents of a wiki article will be introductory rather than exhaustive, but it's a good starting point to see what it is you'd like like to learn more about, then buy books pertinent to that subject.
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No.104285
>>104272
>Most introductory micro textbooks are pretty faithful to their subject matter, it's just that their subject matter is neoclassical/Chicago School econ
That's good enough for me, Im interested in knowing what they believe in
I'll look through my old universitys econ degrees reading list and start there
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No.104286
>>104272
>>104285
Also I forgot to say thank you
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No.104287
>>104285
>>104286
Sure. Try to stay away from Krugman's textbooks if you can, and keep in mind that this recommendation only applies to micro texts. College macroeconomics may as well be entrail reading for all the explaining it does.
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No.104561
>>104198
Protip: Almost nobody is interested in acutal, good faith discussion anymore. It's all about zero sum persuasion games signified by strawmaning, reductio ad absurdums and snarky putdowns. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about Chapotards, various dissident rightists ("trads", NEETsocs, NRxers etc) or mainstream cons and libs, just assume every time the other guy is out "own" you with some epic logic trap.
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No.105059
>>102898
The way this guy says "would you vote for someone like that? my gosh, of course you would" is enragingly condescending.
Do statists really enjoy blatantly being told what to think like this?
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No.105152
>>104561
who is a chapotard?
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No.105155
>>105152
It’s a reddit called “r/ChapoTrapHouse”
Don’t go there, it will be unimaginably painful: imagine all of the leftist virtue-signalling of the internet, filled with Berniefaggotry, Yangniggery, and egalitarianism.
r/ChapoTrapHouse is also pretty shit.
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No.105156
>>105155
>reddit
>don't go there
oh thank god you told me not to go there, I thought it was a great community
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No.105262
so Tucker is just pandering to nazi socialists now isn't he?
Didn't he used to be Libertarian and wear bow ties and shill for Ron Paul and shit? Was it all an act?
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No.105322
>>105262
I think he mentioned he used to have a "libertarian phase" and got over it apparently. The only nice thing I can say about him is his anti-war views. The rest of his views however are fucking stupid.
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No.105371
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No.105378
>>102898
Tucker just doesn't like the open borders aspect. I think he's fairly libertarian-minded actually.
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No.105379
>>105322
He likes free expression and loathes antifa. There's plenty that's good about him.
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No.105401
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No.105402
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No.105405
>>105371
Tucker really is a grade-A imbecile.
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No.105420
>>105379
I suppose. There's stuff I don't agree with him on but compared to most other tv political hosts he's better than most. That's not saying much though.
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No.105423
>>105401
>Jobs
<zomg that shovel should be banned, it took the jobs of 10 people who could've dug that hole with their hands. Banning farm equiptment means everyone is rich because… JOBS!
Protectionism is for Edo-period LARPers who want to deepthroat the Shogun. Fuck off and die of poverty.
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No.105428
>>105423
No one gives a shit about ivory tower psuedo intellectual masturbation from unemployed zoomers in comparison to real world practical realities.
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No.105429
>>105428
>If you're against tariffs you must live in an ivory tower!
Are you fucking retarded?
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No.105433
>>105429
>DUDE OPEN BORDERS AND GLOBALISM ARE ACTUALLY GOOD!
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No.105434
>>105433
>being against tariffs is being for globalism
Don't say stupid things, anon. Unrestricted trade lets you send factories to the shithole countries instead of bringing shitskins here. And a private property line is the most restrictive, discriminating border there is.
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No.105435
>>105434
>Unrestricted trade lets you send factories to the shithole countries instead of bringing shitskins here.
Thats still a bad idea and thats literally what globalism is.
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No.105437
>>105435
Although I disagree with confederateposter's view on immigration, he's right. Sending jobs "overseas" doesn't take jobs away from Americans. That implies that an economy only has a limited amount of work to be done, which is completely wrong. It makes the cost of products cheaper and allows Americans to work safer office jobs instead of more dangerous factory jobs and still afford to have more purchasing power.
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No.105440
>>105437
>Sending jobs "overseas" doesn't take jobs away from Americans.
It literally does when an automotive factory shuts down in Michigan in order to build a factory in Mexico instead. Those people lose their jobs. And whats the use of cheaper products when you cant afford anything anyway since your job just got shipped to a different country?
>Americans to work safer office jobs instead of more dangerous factory jobs and still afford to have more purchasing power.
This is the sort of myopic ivory tower stuff Im talking about. Something that can only come from someone either not in the workforce or just completely disconnected from reality. The fact is these jobs you see as beneath you offered high school educated Americans a chance at a nice middle class life, with enough money to buy a house, a car, and start a family. Thats how they had their purchasing power.
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No.105441
>>105437
This isn't Factbook, no one's going to take your account away if you don't virtue signal enough.
>>105440
Disprove comparative advantage or git out.
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No.105442
>>105441
>This isn't Factbook, no one's going to take your account away if you don't virtue signal enough.
<you must be a facebook virtue-signaller if you voice your honest opinion
I want to accurately represent anarcho-capitalist values. You may not like it, but that is my honest view of immigration. If you would like a website where people don't voice their honest opinion and dissenting opinions are hit with ad hominems rather than proper rebuttals, go to Reddit. If you don't like the fact that someone disagrees with you, explain why. Don't just be a redditfag.
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No.105456
>>105441
explain how having your job shipped overseas for cheap third world labor in anyway benefits the American middle class, especially those without a college education.
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No.105457
>>105456
Comparative advantage explains such things. Prove it doesn't exist or git out.
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No.105601
Even republicans dislike lolberg retards in 2020. Looks like we finally won and lolbergianism will be finally condemned to the trash can of history!
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No.105809
>>102906
because "reputable economists" are court propagandists who serve the state
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No.105813
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>>102898
>>102927
>establishment republicans' policy positions are always implicitly (and sometimes even explicitly) Keynesian, and have been for a long time. That's why they make it their number one priority to push for mass migration as a way to boost GDP. There's nothing implicitly "Austrian" about forcing people to accept latecomers against their will en masse and telling them it's for their own good.
>By contrast, the original German version of "Human Action" by Ludwig von Mises was called "Nationalökonomie". Mises defined nationalism as an extension of every person's right of self-determination, which he viewed as impossible absent freedom of association. As a self-described "classical nationalist", national unity and the right of national self-determination guided everything Mises wrote. He saw national unity as being a necessary prerequisite for casting off the despotic rule of … foreign occupiers.
Critics use Austrain and Keynesian economics interchangably when they're not.
Fundamental differences between Austrain and Keynesian @3:20 https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=symk3IZCxM4
I embed a (longer) Ron Paul talk on Austrian economics.
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No.105815
>>105813
dr. paul shifts from libertarianism to economics @25:12
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