No.102373
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No.102377
>>102373
>government restricts supply of doctors
>government subsidizes hospital incompetence
>government subsidizes med schools
>government regulates healthcare
>government subsidizes healthcare
>government prevents competition of providers across state lines
>government grants drug monopolies through patents
<OH NOES, LATE-STAGE CABIDALISM!!11
https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive
4/10 made me reply.
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No.102383
Hē ѡăs ă smăŗէ ăηԁ ġѻѻԁ măη, ԩē ԁiԁ ѡԩăէ ѡăs ŗiġԩէ fѻŗ ԩis fămiłγ.
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No.102384
If ԩē ѡăsη'է siċk, ԩē sԩѻμłԁ ԩăυē ġѻηē ѻη ă kiłłiηġ spŗēē էѻ kiłł ċѻmmiēs łikē γѻμ.
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No.102393
>>102377
Okay faggot, then how come Euro countries and Canada have much better healthcare, even though they have universal healthcare?
>inb4 waiting in long lines
Doesn't actually happen. People with more serious injuries get treated in priority. And guess what? No life ending bills afterwords.
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No.102394
What, so the state should rob citizens to pay for life support for a brain dead old boomer? Fuck off.
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No.102396
>>102393
Are you ready to break into someone's house, beat them, arrest them, kill them if they resist and stick them in jail forever if they don't if they refuse to pay for this man's healthcare?
That's the question you have to ask yourself. Would I hurt, torture or threaten to kill someone who has done nothing wrong, simply because they did not pay for someone's chemo?
The state makes the choice easy for bleeding heart morons like you by empowering violent thugs to do the dirty deed for you. So I'd like you to imagine yourself doing it.
Would you?
And if so, where does it stop? What treatment is too expensive, what illness is too incurable before it no longer becomes moral to beat someone up to pay for it?
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No.102399
>>102393
>Okay faggot, then how come Euro countries and Canada have much better healthcare
They don't, euro and leaf healthcare are rife with problems besides muh long lines–they score lower on the HDI than the US despite the memes. The only reason their universal healthcare is able to limp along at all is because of how liberalized the rest of the economy is. Corporate tax rates are lower than the US, there are fewer regulatory bodies, they score higher on the ease of doing business index…all of which serves to make the economy as a whole much more free market. The host is healthier, so the parasite that is state healthcare is able to draw more blood in turn.
Here's a case study on the numerous failures of leaf healthcare:
https://mises.org/wire/myth-they-used-pass-canadas-universal-healthcare
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No.102403
>>102399
Dumbass, the very chart you posted shows that the US is gonna be lower in HDI than most Euro countries and especially Canada. Quit deluding yourself. The only reason people still oppose socialized healthcare is because they hate other people, fucking selfish assholes.
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No.102404
>>102393
>Okay faggot, then how come Euro countries and Canada have much better healthcare, even though they have universal healthcare?
They don't. That's why most medical procedures are developed in either America or China and then exported to the rest of the world.
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No.102405
>>102404
>break arm in America
>have to pat 500000
>break arm in Europe or Canada
>pay next to nothing if anything at all
>inb4 higher taxes
Even after taxes, Europeans still save far FAR more in medical costs. Besides, even after taxes, Europeans, Australians, and Canadians still keep a fuckload of their money. Socialized healthcare is the answer for all non psychopaths.
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No.102406
>>102405
I don't even know where to begin with your nigger-tier argument when two thirds of Canadians have private healthcare insurance because the system doesn't cover everything. In Britain, the healthcare system is falling apart at the seams to the point where there's constant scandals about some middle eastern or chink doctor faking their certifications because the hospitals under the NHS were just that desperate to hire doctors that they didn't check their actual certifications. In Germany, public healthcare accounts for over 11% of their GDP and is roughly 14% of an employee's wages without even covering all policies, and yet you consider this "acceptable" even though it's far more than what most Americans pay for health insurance. What fucking healthcare plan from what fucking country are you even talking about, faggot?
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No.102407
>>102406
>>102405
Also that $50,000 fee is what the hospitals charge a homeless person because the government has to pay it if the individual doesn't. 9 times out of 10 if you go to a healthcare facility and say "I don't have healthcare insurance, I'd like to pay this out of pocket" that "$50,000" fee you pulled out of your fucking ass becomes closer to $2,700.
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No.102408
Furthermore, universal healthcare is like universal auto care. You know what even the most basic barebones American health insurance plans that charge like fucking $40 a month provide you? Completely free check-ups and other preventative measures so you don't end up almost and/or dead You know what people on universal healthcare programs do? They wait until the last fucking minute to go get diagnosed at which point what would cost a taxpayer like $1 costs them $50. I shouldn't have to repair your fucking engine on my dime because you fucking didn't put oil and coolant in it you cocksucker.
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No.102409
>>102407
>2,700 for one visit to the doctor.
Fucking amazing healthcare system really. I guess having a cough test would be another 5,000.
Also, the only ass pulling here is the assumptions on European healthcare, as in Europeans dont get finacially raped after a doctors visit.
Also 10 percent of your income, which is a huge fucking exaggeration and lie in of itself, is worth more than a life time of debt or even fucking death.
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No.102410
>>102403
>the US is gonna be lower in HDI than most Euro countries
The US shows in the top 20 in each projection. There are more than 40 EU countries. "Most" is not even close.
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No.102411
>>102405
>Even after taxes, Europeans still save far FAR more in medical costs
Not when you factor in diverting funds from other "ear-marked" programs. Why else is Euro petrol ~ 4 times the cost of US petrol?
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No.102412
>>102411
A human life isn't comparable to dead fossil fuels
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No.102418
>>102412
I'm not making such a comparison.
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No.102420
>>102373
world is overpopulated anyway :^)
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No.102429
>>102373
I fully support and avow this.
The beauty of free market eugenics at play.
Further reading:
>>102426
>>102377
Nice cope socialist. What OP is pointing out is a free market economy at its peak performance and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
You seem like you need an helicopter ride my dude.
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No.102433
>>102409
>Mending a broken bone, getting medicine, having X-rays etc. Is the same as splinting it and having a wellness checkup
You're delusional, dude.
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No.102436
>>102412
Tell that to the hundreds of third worlders who die each year drilling it. Fossil fuels are from fucking plant matter.
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No.102437
>>102429
But what if helicopters don't exist because technology was destroyed in a nuclear holocaust
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No.102455
Alright, you want to make healthcare more affordable? Here's a three step plan:
>End inflationary monetary policy
The current monetary system in the US, like in all Western countries, is designed to enrich bankers and subsidize statism by inflating the money supply, thus stealing purchasing power from workers. Eliminate this system, and costs will go down, the value of savings will increase, and real wages will increase.
>No more subsidies.
State subsidies raise the cost of purchasing health service, since the state is able to overspend at a whim, driving up the price of healthcare.
>Deregulate the medical industry
End the cartelization of the medical industry through corporatist regulation schemes, and let competition drive down the prices.
Further points to consider:
>About 65% of the American medical industry is socialized
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2005/01/lawrence-wilson-md/americas-socialized-health-care/
>In 2018 there was a point when 133 out of 137 hospital trusts in England had an unsafe number of patients on their wards
>people are being left for hours on trolleys in corridors and stuck in ambulances.
>more than 120 patients a day are being managed in corridors in some places, some dying prematurely
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-42572116
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