No.101989
For thousands of years of human history we lived in misery and suffering.
Then the planets aligned, and by some miracle we got some sort of capitalism and we got out of misery. Yet most people don't understand this and want to go back to the same policies we used for thousands of years and that kept us in misery and suffering, which is the starting point in nature.
What we're living is a big exception. I wonder how many times in history a society got close enough to start a capitalist revolution towards riches, and yet people started to bullshit and complain, forcing everyone to remain into poverty.
And it's not like things are getting better, you just have to look at how the average economics degree holder don't understand shit and has the same economic insights and knowledge of the average non-student.
Humanity is condemned to go back to the natural state, suffering and misery. Not because of a lack of resources or due to some major catastrophe, but due to its own inability to appreciate what it got.
Fuck this.
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No.101991
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No.101992
>capitalism happens
>every single group with an iq above 90 ceases to reproduce above replacement rate
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No.101995
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No.101996
>>101992
>people didn't fuck until government invented fucking
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No.102002
>>101996
Not what I wrote. Capitalism destroys itself because it kills off the human capital that supports it. Not muh socialist ideas reee,
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No.102003
>>102002
>human capital killed itself until government invented human capital not killing itself
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No.102008
>>101995
>>102003
Wow, very funny guys. But meme aren't an actual argument against anarcho-primitivism. Read some fucking Zerzan you retards. Wait a minute whats that orange shape doi-
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No.102012
>>102003
Hello retarded memester. Capitalism leads to a TFR < 2.1 meaning capitalism consumes human capital (until the system collapses and reestablishes equilibrium).
Note that not even commie nations with on-demand abortion, easy access to contraceptives and much less social stigma managed that.
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No.102018
>>102012
>US went from uninhabited empty spaces to 3rd largest population in the world in ~300 years
>capitalism destroys human capital!1!!
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No.102026
>>102002
>Capitalism destroys itself because it kills off the human capital that supports it.
Huh, I guess that explains why free enterprise has never lasted for more than a few years, at best.
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No.102038
>>102018
and it will quickly go back to shithole in next 300 years. US prosperity relies on leeching off other countries now. why do you think they push their "democracy and freedom" in africa? because they're good guys? china cuts export and mutts are fucked, because they can't buy new iphone.
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No.102039
>>102038
It's tiresome listening to you faggots recount the same old narrative, over and over, over and over. Narratives, that's all you faggots have. No economic laws, not even historical facts. Just the narrative of big corporations bossing governments around to start wars which somehow profit them, and then it all collapses (why?), unless we come up with a brand new and never tried economic system (and somehow solve the calculation-problem), which totally won't be socialism.
Like I said, tiresome. What am I to respond? That your assertion that the US will collapse from acute capitalism is unproven? That the foreign interventionist policy of the US is not the slightest bit productive for the national economy? None of that would matter, you'd just fall back on the rest of your narrative. One cannot disprove your main point because there is no main point.
Prove that wrong.
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No.102057
>>102038
>trade == leeching
Do you happen to know that China is a net importer of food?
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No.102069
>>102039
>walltext
>prove that wrong
I met enough mutts to know US media were successful enough to push into your minds you're #1 country although that may not be true anymore. And when I see you mainly care about problems like SJWs, blacks, gender etc. I am sure such country won't last long at high place.
>>102057
>trade
forced trade, US army isn't "saving" for free
>import
China imports decayable food from US or what are you trying to tell me?
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No.102070
>>102069
Could you try rewriting this post, but in coherent English? You may get more (yous) that way.
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No.102071
>>102069
>I met enough mutts to know US media were successful enough to push into your minds you're #1 country although that may not be true anymore. And when I see you mainly care about problems like SJWs, blacks, gender etc. I am sure such country won't last long at high place.
What does that have to do with anything? I'm not even american.
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No.102074
>>102070
2 faggots are enough
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No.102075
Both sides playing the "smartest guy" here instead of trying to answer honestly.
I am a paleo-liberterian and not an American. I understand the arguement and I do believe there would be a societal collapse on declining IQ and declining percentage of world population that is liberterian and freedom holding on the current course of events. However I am thinking this time small amount of these populations would run to smaller city-states around the world and keep on the liberterian lifestyle. It is already happenning:
https://freeprivatecities.com
Now a couple of things:
>>101996
>people didn't fuck until government invented fucking
Do you have any idea what is the birth rate in "liberal" capitalist states right now ? It is arund 1.7 and lower and they are insistent on keeping this up while importing millions of blacks from sub saharan Africa and Afganistan. London will be minority "white" around 2050s US will be sooner.
When this happens what do you think this new Muslim, 75 IQ , centralized minded societies will adopt ? Capitalism ? Liberty ? Don'T kid yourself.
>>102003
>human capital
We know scientifically that IQs are actually "declining" for the last couple hundred years (we don't have the data for before so a little hard to tell). You are not just smaller, slower, weaker than your ancestors… You are also "dumber". You finally getting the idea here ?
>>102018
>muh 350 million population
Are you aware %50 of this number are Blacks and Latinos ??? Do I have to say anymore ???
Oh also:
>uninhabited empty spaces
American edgucayshun…. Holy hell….
>>102026
>more than a few years
Read >>102012. It takes generations.
>>102038
> China export
China is a meme. The second Americans stop buying 1+ billion Chinese starves to death and the rest starts a civil war killing same amount. Read Chinese history please.
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No.102083
>>102075
> Both sides playing the "smartest guy" here instead of trying to answer honestly.
And here you are thinking you can play smartest guy by invoking big-brain centrism.
>Do you have any idea what is the birth rate in "liberal" capitalist states right now ?
And neither the guy to whom you are replying nor anyone else denies that low birthrates exist. What is in contention are the notions that:
>"Capitalism" caused low birthrates
>only centralized government can fix them
And the answer to that specious claim is that it is not free enterprise which lowered the birthrates, but the lack thereof. These countries never had a birthrate issue until they started excessively taxing the population. They never had a birthrate issue until they imposed mass regulations. They never had a birthrate issue until they set up a welfare state for siphoning wealth away from productive natives to nonproductive leeches and refugees. Free enterprise is the most healthy environment in which to rear families.
>We know scientifically that IQs are actually "declining" for the last couple hundred years
See above. Human capital is depreciating because taxes and the welfare state punish you for being productive and reward you for being a parasite. It's a dysgenic system.
>Are you aware %50 of this number are Blacks and Latinos ???
Then go back 50 years or so to when Europeans were ~80% of the population. The argument still applies, despite being founded on the ideals of "capitalism" and continuing a practice of free enterprise for most of its existence, the population of the Americas skyrocketed rather than declining. In fact, the birthrates only started declining after the Progressive Era, and with it the creation of vast regulations, the raising of existing taxes, the creation of new ones…I should hope by now the point is made. It is not "capitalism" which disincentivizes birthrates but the dismantling of it.
<uninhabited empty spaces
>American edgucayshun…. Holy hell….
I was generalizing, fagamuffin. Yes there were people on the continent before Euros. But they were for the most part nomads and subistence farmers, compared to the Euros which displaced them their population was negligible. And yes, there were some tribes in the north and east that had more sizable populations…but guess what? These were the ones that had settled in cities, and engaged in relatively large volumes of trade. Which only serves to prove my point once again: the society with more free enterprise experienced a higher amount of growth.
>China is a meme.
At least you got one thing right.
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No.102087
Feudalism was superior to capitalism and don't change my mind
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No.102090
>>102075
>The second Americans stop buying 1+ billion Chinese starves to death and the rest starts a civil war killing same amount.
That's probably more of an ecological inevitability than a political one. China's environment is apocalyptically bad and no amount of trade deals will turn that around. China will run out of clean water in fifteen years.
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No.102094
>>102087
Feudalism *was* capitalism. The feudal system was very permissive of free enterprise, which is one of the reasons why the Industrial Revolution began in feudal lands.
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No.102102
>>102083
That much strawmaning… Just wow…
>centrist
Literally wrote that I am a paleo-liberterian (also known as Hoppean Liberterianism). Too much effort to actually read that huh ?
>What is in contention are the notions that:
>"Capitalism" caused low birthrates
>only centralized government can fix them
First nobody I can see claimed a central goverrment can only fix it. People have stated it is already doomed. There is no solution now. Second: people are talking actually about end point of general "unbridled" consumerist and capitalist approach that is actually causing this "replacement" (maybe a better word the things going around).
Think about it:
Companies will ever require lower cost of production. Unless we can finally switch to autonomous factories (and I hope we will) what the companies will want are:
1-) People who are dumb enough to just be able to work basic machinery and usually just shut up:
2-) A "society" that are dumb enough to just keep consuming, detached of everything else.
Maybe you understand the worries of people here now ? Sure I agree with you on the basis that a centralized government is not the solution. I am on the "thousand city-states with their own laws" side of the argument. That would ensure people are actually living in the environment they chose. But why wouldn't these companies work towards a centralized state structure (hell, even a world government) that will enforce you and your children to be brainwashed at enforced public schooling ?
As an extra mind exercise for you:
Why people keep saying "are we Rome ?" a lot these days ? What happened to it ?
>It was centeralized !
Are you not ? What type of world are you living in right now ? Are you living in a parallel universe that is different than us ? Finally starting to understand what people are afraid of now ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecMfU3910WY
Try to read and actually comprehend the things before you start typing here, Dixie.
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No.102103
>>102075
>t. never even heard of the Flynn effect
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No.102105
>>102102
>I said I'm a thing therefore I am a thing
Well I'm a Navy SEAL with over 300 confirmed kills.
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No.102110
>>102102
What you wrote and how you act are two very different things. And your rhetoric of "both sides R dumb, I are smart with big-brain nuance view" reeks of the centrist mindset. Hence, you're going to get bullied and be called a centrist whether you like it or not. Several NEETSocs in this thread are implicitly purporting that a centralized government program run by Daddy Fuhrer can deliver them their promised land of high birthrates and wheatfields. Your claim that "companies" (incidentally a very wide-reaching and not at all specific classification) want nothing more than to increase blind consumption at all costs is simply false. At best, a subset of publicly traded corporations want this, and they only want it because of their ties to Keynesians within the political apparatus.
>le fall of Rome meme
There are some superficial similarities, yes. The fact that you repeatedly push this as some grand, thought-provoking historical parallel shows you're just an amateur pop historian, with a much higher opinion of your views than they deserve. What are you going to do next, start posting random Spengler quotes?
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No.102111
>>102094
Feudalism may have been "Capitalism" but you really need to clarify what the terms mean or you risk being very confusing (and adding more grist to the mills of socialists of all stripes to boot!). It isn't inherent in capitalism for a king to send goons to tax farmers and take their crops to feed said goons. Nor is it inherent in Feudalism for merchants to operate without regulation or taxation in cities. "Capitalism" is generally thought of as "free enterprise" (especially here) and in a Feudalist society "free enterprise" is beneath the nobility (in terms of power) which means it's a significantly non-free (and to many, non-capitalist) system. In a modern statist society people engaging in free enterprise have more leeway and more room, though instead of nobles clamping down on profits and rights it's "elected officials" who operate similarly but to a lesser degree.
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No.102114
>>102111
Because feudalism places great emphasis on contracts and property rights. It's a far cry from the libertarian ideal of totally free markets, absent all coercion, but it's a good deal closer to that ideal than democratic societies are. Feudal monarchies tended to have lower tax rates and far fewer regulations than their democratic counterparts, for instance. Individual peasants were allowed a far greater degree of autonomy and self-determination than citizens in a democracy generally are. Authority was also far more decentralized in feudal societies compared to the modern state–another factor which ultimately lead to the Industrial Revolution being most successful in these areas.
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No.102115
>>101992
Explain the industrial revolution.
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No.102122
>>102110
I think I just understood why people hate "snarky liberalistism" and even libertarians themselves started to shift more and more right-minded.
Good luck in life to you. I am out.
>>102111
>or you risk being very confusing
He is. Don't bother.
>>102103
>not knowing Flynn Effect reversed for the last 40+ years and possibly a total BS concept to begin with:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3950413/
https://www.sciencealert.com/iq-scores-falling-in-worrying-reversal-20th-century-intelligence-boom-flynn-effect-intelligence
https://halfsigma.typepad.com/half_sigma/2008/11/flynn-effect-nonsense.html
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No.102125
>>102122
>even libertarians themselves started to shift more and more right-minded.
If you were every under the impression that there is anything further right than anarcho-capitalism, you surely won't be missed.
<Flynn Effect reversed for the last 40+ years
And what has happened over the past 40 years? Have we seen a greater or lesser amount of government regulations being passed? Have we seen an increase or a decrease in tax rates? Have the laws being passed been more pro-market or more anti-market? It's almost as if the market system promoted intelligence and productivity, while the increasingly socialist policies and rhetoric of the past 40-50 years are what's responsible for the reversal. But I'm sure that's pure coincidence.
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No.102132
>>102122
Good, fuck off back to 4chan.
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No.102134
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No.102144
<thanks to capitalism things are cheap and efficient
You mean like housing, healthcare, insurances, private alternatives to public transportation, private alternatives to public education, private alternatives to firefighters…?
>that pic of Poortugal
So is EU capitalist or socialist? Make up your mind retards.
The EU has even bigger subsidies to farmers than the US, so it is not a mistery that food is cheap there.
Also, ice creams are food just like a shot in the head is a cure for headaches, stop being a soyboy and taste some beef.
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No.102151
>>102144
>housing,
Expensive only in places where the State decide where, when and how to build homes (see San Francisco)
>healthcare
Expensive in the US due to medicare, medicaid, limit to the number of hospitals and clinics, limit to the supply of doctors due to the AMA
>insurances
Extremely regulated, insurances forced to give you insurance packages instead of insuring you only on specific things, etc etc
>private alternatives to public transportation
Routes regulated, State subsized transporations which makes impossible to create sustainable alternatives, etc etc
>private alternatives to public education
Lol, you're retarded I shouldn't have replied to you. Educations is extremely cheap. What's expensive, and only in the US, is the certification/degree which is released by colleges and universities, which can price whatever they want because the federal government will give any loan of any size to any potential student without guarantees
>private alternatives to firefighters
don't know shit about firefighters, so you got me and everything I told you is invalid.
>EU capitalist or socialist
EU is a mixed economy and also every country has different way in which it manages the economy. For example Italy is full blown socialist, while Sweden is probably even more capitalists than the US. It also depends on the industry.
In general the industries that are not free are in the shit and expensive.
Bye.
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No.102154
>>101989
Look at the bright side; we're probably just some 2 centuries at most from large-scale space colonization and self-sufficient habitats hurtling through the void. If that technology ever gets off the ground (hah) you've got endless frontier that no state's going to be able to impose its will over, and liberty never dies.
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No.102155
>>102154
I have the feeling we don't even have 2 decades left
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No.102166
>>102155
That depends on what you mean by "we." Even if the nation and way of life as we know it collapses, and the normies are left without luxury, in such a situation there are nearly always enclaves of knowledge that survive the fallout. I know it's a tired example, but consider the fall of Rome. Despite the massive slowdown of trade and destruction of infrastructure which accompanied the fall of the empire, most of the knowledge was preserved by monasteries in the Catholic church, who continued to educate a small but persistent group of elites on the material deemed "lost" by the plebs. The same occurred after the Bolsheviks murdered the Romanovs, and again after the USSR fell in on itself; while the masses unfortunately suffered communism and all of the evils it implies head-on, in both cases there were small conclaves that preserved Russian culture, history, and tradition throughout the hard times. Obviously there was some loss, and without the commies ruining everything there would undoubtedly be even more left, but the bulk of the material survived.
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No.102177
>>102151
>private firefighters
I don't know if this helps but there is an private alternative to EMT's. There's some company that does this and apparently is also in charge of a lot of the certification.
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No.102258
>>102154
i dont give a fuck about future generations
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No.103010
>>101989
>some miracle
The european miracle happened as a result of the labor crunch caused by the black death finally freeing europeans from a system designed to marginalize them and keep them on the razor's edge of survival. Capitalism has precisely zero problems with returning to that system.
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No.103015
>>103010
Imagine being this person.
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No.103032
>>102018
>organisms do well when given giant piles of resources.
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No.103040
>>103032
I'm not even going to say anything.
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No.103098
>>101992
Brainlet doesn't understand demographic transition.
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No.103131
>>103032
Only if that were true then africans would be kangs
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No.103143
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