/liberty/ - Liberty

Greater economic freedom improves upwards mobility and increases everyone's standard of living.

Charities still exist.

Within covenant communities and other voluntary associations, members financially aid each other and can even share property.

Use the QTDDTOT thread next time: >>97996

A free, unrestricted market removes all of the barriers to entry that a government puts in place, making it much easier for poor individuals to better their own situation, either through employment or starting their own business. There is no minimum wage restricting supply, no licensure requirement in the way of starting a business, no regulations you need to spend large amounts of money complying with, and so on. Further, without 40% of everyone's income going down the drain, there are far more resources available for use in starting businesses, and consumers will also have more disposable income available, which increases economic growth and job opportunities for anyone currently unemployed. If a given poor man doesn't have the competence or ambition to better his own situation, there are private charities available. And private charities have consistently shown to be better at helping their target demographics than state programs; 70% of the SSA's budget currently goes directly into the SSA, while only 30% actually gets to any recipients and even then, those transfer payments aren't exactly helpful to them. By contrast, 70% of the funds donated to charities are spent directly on helping the charity's target demographic, and only 30% is consumed in overhead. Further, whereas politicians have a vested interest in keeping as many people on welfare as possible, as it is through welfare they create vote farms. But private charities, with their very limited budgets, have a vested interest in making sure that anyone receiving their services becomes self-sufficient as soon as possible–if they didn't, they would go bankrupt from the leeches hanging off of them.

>>100714

I'm a poor person, OP. If the government wasn't involved, I'd get to keep the 1/3rd of my paycheck taken out between income tax, sales tax, etc. and be able to more effectively afford the things I need. Instead I had to save up money for a month just to be able to drive to an interview to improve my situation- money that I'd have had in my pocket if the government wasn't taking it.

I'm not saying poor people will get all the help in the world, but help will be personalized. If someone is truly nothing but a leech on society, then the government is allowing her to be so. If aid is provided by a mix of private charity and the local community, then no one can be a leech. Someone has to provide back to the community in order to receive the community's support, and they most certainly will when the community knows there is no other help. The government breeds an environment of indifference because "oh, X can go get help from someone else" whereas community breeds the idea that if "I" don't do it, no one else will.

Social welfare never existed in America at the level it does today. People literally strved to death not a lot but people did, we should go back to that tbh because we have a system now Breaks up families and incentivizes garbage people having children. Because the more garbage you are the more handouts you get the governments essentially a enabler to maintain the status quo.

We need a sink or swim system where people are forced to swim or sink. It seems strange but in the past it was the reason people had stronger family bonds in poor communities. Because they literally had to rely on their family or die. It’s not a nice way to live but its the best way. Just look at the Ways social welfare has destroyed black neighborhoods

Poor people survive on the benevolence of others, as it has been since before Christ, but in the libertarian ideal there is no forced charity.

Paradoxically, the absence of a welfare state would produce greater welfare for the lower class because the money would be more efficiently handled and people would be more generous, seeing a personal obligation.

>>100729

thanks for my new favorite pasta

the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice