No.100396
/liberty/ ABSOLUTELY BTFO
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No.100427
>>100396
I can take a joke. Pretty sure /liberty/ is going to be fine.
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No.100519
>>100396
>Rand and Rothbard land on the island before them
>they themselves come to a business agreement on how to divide resources and interact through trade
>two new comers wreck on the island, Marx and Rosenberg
>They have nothing to trade to offer any of them, other than working for them
>Marx has brandy, but doesnt want to trade it for anything else
>they throw a hissy fit and then declare that they now all collectively own the resources of the island, even though they just got there and did shit all to grow more coconut trees or breed fish ect.
>leftist actually think this is them BTFO the idea of free markets
Marxism is a dead ideology with only zombie philosophers
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No.100525
If you replace the libertarians with actual island natives this comic seems to be advocating for imperialism.
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No.100528
Let's pursue reductio ad absurdum.
The foundational premise is that newcomers are entitled to the assets of those with a property claim. If the numbers were lopsided, what would happen? Let's say the island could only support 2 by subsistence farming, and there were 100 people on a shipwreck. Everyone equally gets one meal and dies, including the natives who had no causal connection to the poor plight of the shipwrecked.
Here's what would really happen in such a scenario as in the autistic comic: free marketeers who have been maximizing production and who are by nature statistically more generous, charitably aid the shipwrecked. They weren't entitled to it, but they got it anyway.
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No.100530
>>100396
That was actually pretty funny for a communist meme. Not sure what you're doing lately, but for the first time since the 28th of May 1871, communism has become funny again. Congrats!
The only disappointment to me is that Rothbard did not say he homesteaded five miles of ocean, that would've been hilarious. I mean, just imagine an old, lone man homesteading several square miles of ocean! Funny thought, isn't it? Also, the last panel was not that funny, as capitalists are not simply ignorant of the difference between personal and private property, they deny there's any workable difference to begin with.
Still, I rate it 7.5/10, did not make me laugh out loud but it made me chuckle.
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No.100533
>>100530
Being that the whole thing is a flimsy justification for theft, I scowled as I generally do. I'm surprised you could even work up a smile. Theft isn't very amusing.
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No.100536
>>100533
If I never smiled about the sad things in life, I would probably never smile at all. Don't lose your sense of humor, especially when the world is going mad around you.
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No.100539
>>100396
>Invade property because of your own ineptitude
>Get offered decent working conditions as Rand and Rothbard have other things to work on for your continued survival and you're basically two extra mouths to feed
>Proceed to have temper tantrum over having to work
>Steal coconuts/fish
>get stabbed go hungry because you didn't have the resources, or otherwise die from some process they were doing behind the scenes so you could have your coconuts/fish unhindered
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No.100540
>>100539
It did make me smirk though.
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No.100542
>>100396
Rand and Rothbard's property claims are illegitimate and not recognized by fully half of the population of the island. I wonder how they propose to enforce their claim.
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No.100547
>>100542
The commies who washed up aren't counted as population so their wishes aren't relevant
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No.100548
>>100542
>>100547
And I mean they're not counted because they're newcomers, not making a glib remark about commies being subhuman
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No.100552
>>100542
>Rand and Rothbard's property claims are illegitimate
You could've stopped there, really. If it was Alice and Melissa on the island, and then Greg, Chad, and Malcolm Washington Tyreese III arrived and decided to rape the two, then you wouldn't say that the wishes of the women were not recognized by over half the population and unenforcable. You'd leave it at them being legitimate. Why is the matter suddenly different when it's about property instead of bodily integrity?
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No.100557
>>100547
>Invent life extension treatment
>Claim the entire world as your property
>Wait for everyone else of your generation to die out
>You're now the rightful owner of the world because everyone else is newcomers
Cool.
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No.100558
>>100542
Ancapistan isn't democratic, the proportion of people who approve or don't approve is irrelevant. Rand and Rothbard's property claims are not legitimate becasue they have not properly embordered or otherwise made their property exclusive. Connected to this is the fact that neither of them can realistically enforce their property claims.
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No.100560
>>100558
>Ancapistan isn't democratic, therefore I can expect my property claims to remain uncontested even when literally no one but myself recognizes them as valid
It's not a dictatorship, either. And certainly not one that you're in charge of.
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No.100561
>>100557
No dummy
It's not because of being older, it's having an existing property claim. Everyone in your scenario would be willing their land to their progeny.
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No.100564
>>100560
<therefore I can expect my property claims to remain uncontested even when literally no one but myself recognizes them as valid
Point to where I said or implied this.
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No.100565
Does anyone have the original?
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No.100570
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No.100571
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No.100574
>>100564
>Point to where I said or implied this.
Okay.
>>100558
>the proportion of people who approve or don't approve is irrelevant.
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No.100577
>>100396
>By fishing some of the functionally unlimited fish in the ocean, you are causing financial harm to me
Wait, so did Rothbard support intellectual property laws?
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No.100584
>>100577
Jesus Anon, just read Rothbard himself if you want to learn this, instead of trying to interpret a meme! Don't be a lazy faggot.
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No.100613
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No.100621
Anyone have that MS paint comic where some guy invites another guy onto his boat ride, then partway through demands that his guest suck his dick, and if he doesn't he'd throw him into the ocean for trespassing?
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No.100643
>>100621
I know which one you mean, but I cannot find it on my HD. Sorry anon.
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No.100659
>>100574
Gr8 reading comprehension skills mate. Confedanon literally just said
<Rothbard don't own shit cause he can't enforce the claim
And somehow you translated that to mean
>HURRR r u sayin pipul will just roll with his property claims and wont contest them?
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No.100677
This comic honestly feels like it's mocking communism more than it is defending it. Can someone explain how this is pro-communism?
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No.100682
>>100677
It's anti-lolbergism, not pro-communism. The commies author just used Marx because they all like to live vicariously through their revolutionaries. Once you filter out all the gross misapplication of private property and homesteading, the commies are suggesting that the failure of unrestricted capitalism is that it results in monopoly and truck systems forming–although of course the commie solution to this is to centralize everything even more, nationalize the company store, and change its name to a breadline.
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No.100686
>>100519
>Rand and Rothbard land on the island before them
>they themselves come to a business agreement on how to divide resources and interact through trade
>two new comers wreck on the island, Marx and Rosenberg
>They have nothing to trade to offer any of them, other than working for them
>because they don't like the working conditions, they revolt
>because ancucks are weak, they can't keep them from revolting
<island becomes communism, ancucks go to gulag
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No.100687
>>100570
>not a katana
6/10
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No.100691
>>100686
then they get removed
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No.100694
More realistically it would be a case where Rothbard and Rand have a cave with a giant pile of coconuts and fish that they've already spent weeks gathering themselves. Marx shows up and instead of gathering coconuts or fishing for himself, he demands that they just give him the stuff that they've already spent weeks gathering and whines when they tell him to fuck off and go gather some himself.
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No.100695
>>100694
Also when an axe washes up on the beach, Marx throws it back because it would destroy the value of his labor.
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No.100698
I think you are all over analyzing and missing the big issue.
You can't realistically portray an entire economic system concerning thousands to millions of people on a small island with four people and 2 resources.
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No.100699
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No.100700
>>100698
>You can't realistically portray an entire economic system concerning thousands to millions of people on a small island with four people and 2 resources.
If you do it correctly, you actually can–that's the entire premise of Crusoe economics, and it's a very intuitive way of demonstrating the fundamentals of good economic theory. The key word here is 'correctly.' The men in your analogy must act like men, and make choices that men would make, under the constraints of the action axiom, and so on. Faggot OP's comic doesn't do these things, and so it becomes useless.
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No.100968
>>100621
Is that the lake felatio rapist?
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No.101016
>>100699
>moderate leftists
>right wing
God how I hate whites.
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No.101543
First of all property can only be claimed if youre currently developing it, using it, etc. I cant for example claim the moon and get away with it, its not how property rights work.
So for the libertarians to claim the coconuts and fish means theyre farming these things, which makes this comic closer to the THEFT it actually is. Imagine also the fragile system of fish traps and farmed coconuts dying off because the only two people who know how it works are dead in some revolution.
That basically is Haiti.
>>101016
And yet they invented the computer you use to vent, the clothes you cover yourself in, the domicile that shelters you from storms, the agricultural methods that keep you alive, the toilet that washes away and processes the mountain of shit your mouth produces…. Its often the case that the inferior hates the superior.
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