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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.100123

Anarchy: What it is, and what it isn't

For some reason it's really hard for a lot of people to grasp a simple concept.

"The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία (anarchia), which combines ἀ (a), "not, without" and ἀρχή (arkhi), "ruler, authority." Thus, the term refers to the state of a society being without authorities or an authoritative governing body."

Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't mean what leftist cucks did with the term later on, this is what the word means "without authorities or an authoritative governing body".

So unless you think you can change ancient Greek definitions, gtfo with your garbage interpretations of it.

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 No.100129

anarchy is jacking off to traps and doing drugs on a tuesday evening

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 No.100130

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 No.100166

>>100130

Is that a man?

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 No.100234

>most anarchists agree on the non aggression principle

It only takes 1 to disagree for you to become a monarchy.

This is why no one takes you seriously.

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 No.100238

>>100234

>It only takes 1 to disagree for you to become a monarchy.

What did you mean by this?

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 No.100240

>>100238

he means that the first one to be violent becomes king, because of course NAP means you can't practice self-defense

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 No.100256

>>100234

>hurr criminals think it's not wrong to kill people so the NAP is refuted

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 No.100299

File: 8c42f33faeb6dfb⋯.jpg (8.23 KB,220x286,10:13,220px-Portrait_of_Pierre_J….jpg)

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>>100123

"Anarchy" as an idea is first ever recorded as the philosophy and ideology laid out by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. He is the first person to ever call himself an anarchist and the first person to ever give a ideological framework to something called 'Anarchism'. Even the famous Anarchy 'A' symbol is based on one of his quotes

His ideas were left wing, anti-capitalist, but also anti-marxist. He believe that owning property was evil, but believed in a mixed market 'mutualist' economy in contrast to Marx. He was also a raging anti-Semite who wrote shit more radical than Hitler about jewish people.

>Anarchy is order

You are in fact the one with a garbage understanding of the ideology and its pretty clear you are having a hissy fit over your contrived online person being based soley around your ignorance of an ideology.

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 No.100326

>>100299

>kindergarten-tier "we had it first!" mindset

Your shitty proto-anarchism doesn't mean jackshit. Nobody cares who came up with the original idea; the original idea was shit and it was revised.

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 No.100330

>>100326

autism

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 No.100341

>ancaps make society

>they are low in number

>low resorces

>low tech

>all soyboys

>no unity in their society

>I pay someone in their community to open the gates and disable the turrets

>I raid them

>I, leader of a small country(kingdom), take their lands and kill them all

Much use that freedom was to you, huh?

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 No.100344

>>100299

The history of anarchism began with the first humans walking on earth. Prehistoric society existed without formal hierarchies, close to anarchist principles. The first traces of anarchist thought can be found in ancient Greece and China where numerous philosophers questioned the necessity of the state and declared the moral right of the individual to decide for themselves. During the Middle Ages few religious sects espoused libertarian thought, and in the Age of Enlightenment the rise of rationalism and science signaled the birth of the modern anarchist movement.

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 No.100345

>>100341

>fear freedom

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 No.100350

>>100256

>>100240

>hurr im going to compare 60iq drug dealing convicts to alexander the great

We wuz

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 No.100356

>>100330

Literally not an argument.

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 No.100360

>>100341

>all soyboys

Shut the fuck up. Most of us are still high-test toxic males, but when the genetically engineered catgirls revolt and turn us into their slave caste, this problem will be solved.

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 No.100387

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>>100341

Looking at pictures of scantily clad roman statues and prohibiting "fat chikks [sic]" in the constitution of your own kingdom that you wrote last week does not actually make you buff or dangerous, you know? Stop eating soy, and work out. That's the only cure for faggatority.

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 No.100397

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>>100326

>>100344

This is just childish shitposting.

Proudhon is the FIRST person to ever refer to themselves as an 'Anarchist' or someone who formed a philosophy they themselves called 'Anarchism' He didnt create the word anarchism, as it existed way before he was even born, but it was never EVER an ideology and instead a word of a state of lawlessness and chaos (its still used this way today in fact) But Pierre had his own anti-capitalist and anti-state ideas that rejected all hierarchies and he referred to these as Anarchism. In fact, hes the one who said that Anarchy doesnt mean chaos and bloodshed and barbarians raping and pillaging ect, but that Anarchy, as he defined it, means order, which is where the symbold of the A in the O comes from.

Anarchy is a left wing ideology from 19th Century France. Post Ron Paul Americans who have no basis or understanding of philosophy or political history just think anarchy is when you hate the government and they saw that cool A symbol from a punk bad or something so they LARP as 'Anarchist' in a fashionable 'rebel without a cause' way

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 No.100398

>>100397

This is simply incorrect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anarchism#Forerunners_of_Anarchism

Shit has been around forever, and rightfully so, as if people never questioned "do we really need a violent ruling class oppressing us?"

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 No.100399

>>100398

Proto anarchist type ideas might have existed, but Anarchism, as a specific ideology, with the specific name of Anarchism, with its own famous symbol, did not exist without Proudhon. He is the first anarchist.

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 No.100401

thank you for confirming you didnt read it >>100399

like talking to a fucking wall

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 No.100403

>>100401

You are projecting and pretending like your shitty wikipedia search for a page you just discovered someone how disproves what Im saying. Everyone knows that some might consider shit like Taosim to be proto-anarchist, but they arent the originators of the idea. Like there were these weird radical Christian sects in medieval europe (like the Munster Rebellion in Germany) that had ideas that were proto-communist, but no one says they invented the ideas of communism.

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 No.100405

>>100403

>your shitty wikipedia search for a page you just discovered

nigga plz

>someone how disproves what Im saying

because it does

>Everyone knows

always (a precursor to) bad arguments

How about you study the ancinet greek if you're truly that interested in the origins of anarchism.

>Anarchism, with its own famous symbol

>muh symbol

you can keep your gay A

>muh Proudhon

You and Proudhon certainly have 2 things in common:

1. Neither one of you are the spokeperson or originator of anarchist thinking

2. You can both suck my dick with your garbage

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 No.100516

>>100405

You're just embarrassing yourself because you're too immature to deal with the fact that your contrived pseudo internet meme personality you have developed for yourself (instead of developing a real one) is completely false which is why you are having a shit fit.

Proudhon is the FIRST person to ever call themselves an Anarchist and develop an ideology they themselves called anarchism. The anarchy A symbol is taken directly from his ideology.

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 No.100520

>>100516

Yes exactly, the ancient Greek coined the term, were philosophising about it and applied it, but Proudfag "invented anarchism" because you say so.

kys faggot

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 No.100521

>>100520

>>100520

>Yes exactly, the ancient Greek coined the term, were philosophising about it and applied it

No they didnt.

PROUDHON WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO CALL HIS IDEAS ANARCHISM

what part of the above statement do you not undertand?

>Proudhon is the FIRST person to ever refer to themselves as an 'Anarchist' or someone who formed a philosophy they themselves called 'Anarchism' He didnt create the word anarchism, as it existed way before he was even born, but it was never EVER an ideology and instead a word of a state of lawlessness and chaos (its still used this way today in fact) But Pierre had his own anti-capitalist and anti-state ideas that rejected all hierarchies and he referred to these as Anarchism. In fact, hes the one who said that Anarchy doesnt mean chaos and bloodshed and barbarians raping and pillaging ect, but that Anarchy, as he defined it, means order, which is where the symbold of the A in the O comes from.

That was my post earlier and you didnt even respond to this, you just posted a wikipedia article that just confirmed what I already stated because you are too emotional over your contrived personality being based on your misunderstanding of an idea to rationally examine any of this.

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 No.100526

>>100521

>Proudfag was the first who called himself anarchist, therefore he invented anarchy.

I understand your statement, it's a false statement. I simply disagree with you, can we move on now?

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 No.100527

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 No.100529

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Larken explains it pretty damn good as well IMO

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 No.100566

>>100360

>when the genetically engineered catgirls revolt and turn us into their slave caste, this problem will be solved.

Why is this not an anime yet?

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 No.100567

>>100299

>Anarchism, with its own famous symbol

Which was "commandeered" from the scarlet A for adulterer. Leftists, just like with property, cannot operate without stealing another's ideas.

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