74abaa No.678989 [View All]
This image is almost 2 years old. It has aged fairly well (compared to its predecessor), but there's stuff that needs an updating, primarily due to some really good new options having come out. I'd like to do a new version when the new Hi-Point comes out and has had a month or so to make sure it's not somehow worse than its predecessor
>add Ruger EC9s, M&P Shield 2.0 (mention original can be found for 50 bucks less) and CCP2, drop Kel-tec and/or SCCY
>ETS QC is slipping, drop them from recomended mags
>drop Surefirewaytogivemoney to anti 2A politicans from light recommendations
>clear quislings from recommended Youtube list
Anything else to change or add? Thinking maybe Hi-Point carbine as a long arm, but it uses Hi-Point mags which I've heard really bad things about (and mag malfunctions are ones that racking the charging handle/slide isn't going to fix, which really sucks). Thoughts on that?
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345b61 No.683409
>>683368
On ammo, perhaps a warning about bulk winchester .223.
The bulk ammo in general seems to be quality control rejects. Couldn't make it through a magazine without FTE.
Same rifle with cheap Federal boxed ran well.
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a9d024 No.683747
>>683355
I'm retarded and used the wrong font for the changes. I'll fix it soon.
>Lights may just be limited to Steamlight since Surefire has shown themselves to not give a shit about the RTKABA with donations to democrats.
I memory-holed them. Any reason why we should list it with a warning, or is damnatio memoriae suitable?
>I have all (or most) of the original sized images if you need any of them.
I think we're good for this list. If we make a SHTF on a budget, they may come in handy, though.
>>683409
>On ammo, perhaps a warning about bulk winchester .223.
Anyone else have a problem with them? I don't buy .223, so I wouldn't know.
>cheap Federal boxed
Where do you live? Everywhere around here prices any Federal as match grade.
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fa477f No.683759
>>681369
Sadly no. Rather, places like classic firearms has them for sale for roughly $200. Their stock is hit and miss on quality, though. The Beretta 92S I got from them is mismatched and looks like ass, but the Star BM I got looks good but had a little bit of rust, however both function flawlessly with normal bullets if that if that's any idea of what to expect (92S jams a lot with flat nose and HP).
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bf62f1 No.683763
>>683759
Do Star BMs like hollowpoints? Thinking of getting some for stash guns.
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345b61 No.683764
>>683747
>>cheap Federal boxed
Midwest. The Federal 55g xm193 isn't so spendy though it is more than tula, wolf, etc.
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d21883 No.683864
>>683747
Winchester ammunition almost killed not one, but two of my fucking guns. Both a handgun, and a rifle. I personally am never buying their stuff again, but your mileage may vary.
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8a103b No.683952
>>683864
Do elaborate strelok.
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98f1ee No.683957
>>679752
Then you'd want something like the Lee Turret press. Can easily swap out dies, load 100 rounds an hour safely, and get the whole thing for maybe $200. Add a decent scale, calipers, components and you're gtg
I've had mine for a long while
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8328e5 No.683960
>>678989
Since this is the budget guns thread, can I also ask if there is a budget kit guide for poorfags? Also is it illegal to ship plates outside the continental US? Man, I don't want to have St clyde watch over me on the boogaloo/RW(now!)
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bf62f1 No.683973
>>683960
It might deal with ITAR shit if it leaves the US, but US territory is still the US. Only issue you'd have is local law and air shipping regs.
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79f8b7 No.684021
>>683952
>be strelok
>night before a competition
>try to squeeze in some practice so make an after dinner trip to the range
>blammo blammo click
>wtf, slide not going all the way into battery
>about 2mm gap before fully chambered
>lol oh well, tap and rack
>tap
>rrr rrrr rrrrrrr rrrrrr
>slide jammed
>take home and literally need a vice to get the slide open
>somehow a bur or something on the neck of the casing got caught on something and started to peel down to the bottom of the cartridge as if it were foil wrapper causing the jam from hell
>02:00
>need to be 50 miled away, on the line by 08:00
>fml
>be older strelok
>lazy Sunday morning
>slowfire rifle
>somehow .308 cartridge ends up bent at a 90 degree angle
>field strip to make sure everything is alright
>whatever, must have been a fluke
>get to the bottom of the box of ammo
>find a cartridge with a huge concave dent in the shoulder
Yeah, I'm done with winchester. I havent had any problems with Federal, AE, Aguila, or Blazer. I wanted to like that kraut geco shit, but for some reason it runs dirtier than even tula.
But as far as cost effective, Tula is some of the cheapest ammo I've ever shot, and it's never once given me a problem.
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803299 No.684032
>>684021
>winchester .308
Oh boy I got one for you.
>out durr hunting with standard 150gr SP's
>see durr and take the shot
>gun whumps me like a .338WM
>the fuck is this bullshit
>case tore in two
>rest of bullets in the mag are seated deeper than they should be
>find out all the bullets are hand tight and can be pulled from the case with stupid ease
All I know is it was inconvenient having to recrimp 139 rounds.
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a47f81 No.684046
>>683960
>>683973
I know zog made it illegal to ship level IV plates. I'm not sure about level III.
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9ab2e6 No.684082
>>684021
Interesting stories. winchester is just too expensive for it to be worth it imo, I also like wolf better than tula just for the poly coating the put on the cases whereas tula is just bare steel.
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a1bf77 No.684267
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bf62f1 No.684376
Might be a good idea to express the recoil difference between rifle and shotgun in numbers. Any good sources?
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1af59e No.684464
>>684376
Could use a power factor calculator, such as this one:
https://www.dillonprecision.com/power-factor-calculator.html
12 gauge slug has a power factor of 787.5 .
.30-06 has a power factor of 390.
So long as "power factor" is clearly defined as "an expression of recoil force used in shooting competitions" I think it would be clearly understandable to new shooters.
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bf62f1 No.684468
>>684464
I was thinking more comparative numbers. Even the normalist of normalfag can understand "three times" (to use a random number) is a lot more.
Federal doesn't list the total projectile weight of their shotgun loads, but checking around I find that 8 pellets of 0 shot is roughly one ounce, meaning 9 pellet shot is 492.1875 grains, though I have no idea how much the wad weighs. Using the advertised velocity and weight for Fusion MSR we get 170.50 power factor while Personal Defense Shotshell with Flitecontrol Wad with the advertised velocity and estimated weight is 563.55 power factor (572.50 if we assume the wad itself makes the total an even 500 grains). That's 3.305278592375367 times the recoil, actually not too far off from the random example number. In prose, that's "over three times" or "less than one third" depending on the direction of the comparison.
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08596b No.684481
>mentions of ecelebs
Should any of them even be on the list? Are there any gun ecelebs that haven't cucked out?
>>680185
>beef between bread with condiments isn't food
Bait this bad belongs on reddit.
>>683203
That's not exactly a good example of hickuck. You have his defense of the bump stock ban, you fruit.
>>683349
I'd say it's worth it to add some optics/accessories, at least useful ones. I know
>muh irons
is still a big thing, but even on a budget, you want to have the options available for the poorfag to select his best aiming options, whether it's cheap RDS, cheap scope, or cheap irons. I know the ATI Omni ARs I suggested are partially so cheap because they don't have optics bundled, so that would be useful.
>>683378
>>683356
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/search.php/q/ati%20maxx/caliber/10000601/sort/relevance
Price range. The only issue I've had with mine so far has been feed issues with shit tulammo rounds.
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bf62f1 No.684516
>>684481
>Should any of them even be on the list? Are there any gun ecelebs that haven't cucked out?
Reid (Valor Ridge) is very vocal about Trump's betrayals, Tim (MAC) is outright participating in the bump stock lawsuit, and Mrgunsngear frequently badmouths the NFA/Hughes when it remotely comes up (when looking at lowers/BCGs). Valor Ridge, Mrgunsngear, Paul Harrell, NSSF (though NSSF has become shit professionally) and AKOU all have good instructions on how to shoot. Brownells and Mrgunsngear have good vids on how to do basic gun work (disassembly, assembly, lube).
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cc7b24 No.684534
>>683349
Maybe List CLP as an alternative to the Hoppes 9 Oil/Bore Cleaner. Not as nostalgic, but It is literally impossible to screw up using CLP; and it's better in cold temps than the Hoppes.
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345b61 No.684536
>>684468
Not bad. Simplified enough for anyone.
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bf62f1 No.684538
>>684534
Only reason for the original suggestion was Hoppes was the cheapest to buy in a small quantity at the time I checked for the original chart. No objections to alternatives being added.
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9bb092 No.684686
I can get a price matched pistol gripped stevens 320 tactical for $130 at Fleet Farm, but it does not come with ghost sights, just a bead on the very end.
Would it be worth it to put a reflex sight from an AR on the thing? I've never had a shotgun before.
Also I think it is pretty safe to lower the price on the infograph to $150 due to walmart.
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bf62f1 No.684691
>>684686
A cheap ~$100 red dot from a reputable brand is good if using it for defense.
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803299 No.684694
>>684686
Red dot/holo is like cheating with a shotgun.
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40ab7b No.684792
>>684686
Bushnell red dot for ~$50 on Amazon will be your best bet.
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40ab7b No.684793
>>684021
I found that Winchester 12 gauge has a stupidly thick rim, fucked the extractor on my shotgun as well.
sage for double-post
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345b61 No.684805
>>684516
For "good instructions on how to shoot" lucky Gunner is good. Basic shit plus some more advanced drills.
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bf62f1 No.685094
Any comments on Pardner and Hatsen Escort?
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bf62f1 No.685725
ATI MB3 is a pump shotgun going for sub 150. Even see some listings for $120. Any thoughts on this?
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b21a5a No.686987
>>680432
Chris Kyle was a retarded liar, so i doubt what he said has much bearing
battle rifle cartridges are for 500+meters or boomers and "muh stoppin powa"
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b21a5a No.686988
>>683351
what a retard, hope he has mulatto grandchildren
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e9a421 No.686989
>>680439
>I use 308 for home defense. Soft points don't keep penetrating forever, they run out of steam not too long after hitting a living being, the bullet expands violently and loses shape and force.
What if you miss?
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bf62f1 No.686991
>>683351
>If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!
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000000 No.688050
Taurus G2C should be on the list
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2bb31d No.688052
>>688050
Taurus can't even get firing pins right. They can and do break in the first two thousand rounds. No way I'd recommend them for defensive use.
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f519db No.688094
>>686989
you missed the cockroach. seems you've struck the drywall behind him. There's a crib on the other side. How good of a backstop is drywall & 2.5" of fiberglass & another layer of drywall? Maybe you got lucky and hit a stud.
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f519db No.688095
>>688052
>defensive use
>2,000 rounds
LOL
IT'S NOT A FLOOD, RON, FIX YOU SHEEIT
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000000 No.688096
Is it true that SCCY has really bad accuracy?
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000000 No.688097
>>685725
Tbh I'd probably shell out at extra 40-50 bucks or whatever and buy a Maverick 88. Mossberg is more reputable, has loads aftermarket stuff, and isn't THAT much more expensive.
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2bb31d No.688099
>>688095
You may be surprised to learn that people practice shooting…
>>688096
As long as it stabilizes correctly it's sufficient at handgun distances.
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000000 No.688102
>>679103
I've literally never shot a .410. Or a 20 gauge for that matter…
What are .410s generally used for? Good for small game I'm sure. Can you take down an antelope or deer with it? I'm not asking ethically, I'm asking practically.
What about ducks?
Aggressive featherless bipeds (via slugs)?
Honestly not dissing the .410. Just don't know anything about it. Should I buy the 12 or the 410 if I spend some beer money on the midland?
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6ef835 No.688140
>>688102
.410s were created to be an extra handicap for super skilled skeet and trap shooters, throwing half an ounce of shot instead of one ounce that you get from 12s and 20s.
People buy them and put them in the hands of their kids, or their unenthusiastic wives, and take them out small game hunting, only to have them wound and lose animals as small as grouse and squirrels. People also buy a single-shot .410 as a "house gun" for Grandma–because if she has to fight for her life against some roid-raging 350 pound prison physique leading a home invasion with half a dozen of his homeboys, a Civil War era single-shot breechloader design using a cartridge that frequently fails to stop squirrels and bunny rabbits is an appropriate tool for her to use.
The .410 is an oddball borderline hipster cartridge with no real defensible reason to exist, at all. Not enough people are into sporting clays or skeet or whatever to make it profitable for the manufacturers for its intended purpose and it doesn't do anything else worth a damn. At all.
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6ef835 No.688141
>>678989
>"Potmetal Jimenez guns are nigger gangbanger tier dangerous trash but potmetal Hi-Point and SCCY are A-OK by me! And Makarovs are perfectly suitable for home and self defense despite their 20+ pound DA triggers, microscopic sights, heel-clip magazine release, underpowered unobtainium hipster caliber chambering suitable solely for roadside executions of recalcitrant shtrafbatnikii who lacked sufficient revolutionary zeal and weren't willing to charge that MG nest unarmed, and the fact that Cold War milsurp collectors have driven the prices well out of starving poorfag territory. Also, we unironically endorse cap-and-ball revolvers for carry. And we think an inexpensive AR15 is acceptable but only if you load it with $1.50/round Gucci sooper dooper bonded bullets, even though .25/rd M193 Ball has been yawing and fragmenting in soft tissue and killing people real good for 55 years."
What, no muzzle-loading musket to round out the plate full o' stupid? It looks like my days of not taking this place seriously have come to a… middle. Even Operatorchan doesn't have this much idiotic dangerous bullshit crammed into one convenient infographic.
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05ee73 No.688150
>>678989
I think a good edition would be the SAS-12. $150 magfed semiauto shotgun. At first glance it's shitty-tolerance chink garbage, which it is, but it takes very minimum work to get running smoothly (just takes polishing the action and maybe cleaning out some leftover burrs, and there's tons of videos on jewtube detailing where to look). And still if you don't want to do that, just buy hot target ammo - personal anecdote says Winchester Super-X & Winchester AA Super-Handicap cycled perfectly even without doing the aforementioned things. I think it's a solid budget shotgun that is fairly underappreciated
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523bae No.688161
>>688102
If you live in a country with reasonable gun laws, .410 is only really useful for hunting small game. You could use slugs or 000 buck for medium game or HD if you really had to, but at that point you'd be much better off just getting a 20ga.
The other big application is for countries with shit-tier gun laws where centerfire rifles or large-caliber handguns are hard to get, so a .410 is the closest they can get to an actually useful caliber.
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369866 No.688162
>>688161
I've heard of people in the UK cutting down all-brass .410 hulls and using them to handload .455 Webley ammo, but I think that falls under
>shit-tier gun laws
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6ed7a1 No.688171
>>688052
Seconding not including Taurus. While it's possible there are some reliable individual firearms overall quality control is too low to ensure someone isn't wasting money on a paperweight.
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71cfc6 No.688210
>>688052
Is this a more recent incident involving the G2C/G2S I've just not heard about or are you just chocking it up to legacy Taurus?
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