14345b No.643359 [Last50 Posts]
Post your planefu.
Mine pic related
Da.
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445b7f No.643363
I know almost nothing about aircraft but pic related always looked breedable to me
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d0f7fb No.643370
>you will never fly below the deck height of a Sverdelov class cruiser at over 1000kmph.
>you will never drop a nuclear bomb in the middle of a Soviet naval squadron and speed away just in front of the shock-wave, rattling every rivet on the aircraft with manic laughter that lasts until you're presented with the anti-radiation meds back on the carrier.
>you will never complain about being given new anti-ship missiles because you can't fire them from a low enough altitude.
Why even live?
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819d61 No.643392
>no one osting f20 tigershark thebest airplane in the world 1982 to 2042.
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445b7f No.643393
>>643370
>Why even live?
To shoot all shitskins in England by 2030, elect a right-wing 1488-tier government, become a highly-paid mercenary and genocide niggers in Africa, have 6+ beautiful white children, teach the boys how to hunt, skin their game, cook, survive in the woods, the basics of combat and how to be strong men, teach the girls the importance of motherhood and loyalty, grow old and die peacefully in your mansion surrounded by your lovely family that will continue your legacy and set the foundations for England's next massive empire.
If not you, then who?
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8d8f7c No.643394
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e662e3 No.643409
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542878 No.643410
>>643409
Delete this, it is too early to show them
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b2b4f0 No.643452
>>643409
Sucks that none of these actually exist.
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4636a5 No.643457
>>643452
? But you're wrong.
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e662e3 No.643460
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bf5fc1 No.643461
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b2b4f0 No.643468
>>643461
I get it that LARPing is all the rage with kids these days. But it would actually be nice if shit like antigravity or antimomentum or basic warp drive existed and we could go to distant stars.
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e662e3 No.643469
>>643468
>it would actually be nice if shit like antigravity or antimomentum or basic warp drive existed and we could go to distant stars.
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bf5fc1 No.643476
>>643468
>But it would actually be nice if shit like antigravity or antimomentum or basic warp drive existed and we could go to distant stars.
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b2b4f0 No.643479
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5e97ec No.643480
File: 6addd3519b9fb73⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image,111.71 KB,962x716,481:358,French head of state macuc….jpg)
>>643479
>>643468
>>643452
>LARP
>kids
>/pol/
>(3)
>No contribution
I have spergook/muttspammer derangement syndrome now. Thanks.
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440282 No.643496
>>643359
I am still sore there's no carrierborne version even though the concept prototype was a modified Su-33 trainer (Su-27IB).
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029529 No.643499
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542878 No.643507
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029529 No.643509
>>643507
The ones I quote.
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542878 No.643516
>>643509
I'm not spamming.
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2ace09 No.643527
I don't even know why I like it.
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0cd23a No.643532
>>643516
OK, I check, you are not, the others definitely do though.
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bb4429 No.643533
>>643532
>>643509
>>643499
>IP changed with every post
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dd679e No.643536
>>643533
I'm under VPN for being stupidly permabanned.
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330793 No.643559
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819d61 No.643564
>>643468
No joke but NASA is researching warp drive (White warp field interferometer), and China has reactionless trusters (EMdrive). EU wants to make antimatter, and god knows what Russia is doing.
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e66167 No.643569
>>643564
And I read about the US arming their cruisers with laser weapons, is that true? Seems bullshit but still…
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2ace09 No.643578
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213a4f No.643590
>>643564
>china researching EM drives
>doesn't have modern jet engine tech
lol
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d0f7fb No.643598
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>>643569
Lasers are pretty well understood, and the biggest problem with weaponising them (power requirements, size, tricky engineering/maintenance) are pretty much a non issue on most major warships (that are big enough for a nuclear reactor) they're the most likely place to see RL laser weapons actually happening. No lasguns, but for warships (and maybe, possibly, eventually) larger aircraft it'll probably happen over the next few decades.
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3c184a No.643599
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I want to FUCK Swedish planes.
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29ec94 No.643603
>>643598
Russians already had laser tanks in the '90
Step up your game wect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1K17_Szhatie
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d0f7fb No.643607
>>643603
>Russian project designed to dazzle cameras
>Scrapped in '91 as "too expensive, ineffective, and unnecessary"
>Only two prototypes built, one scrapped, the other decommissioned and put into a museum
The Russians have claimed that they have new laser systems to 'jam tank command systems' but as the only source there is Russian politicians talking to Russian journalists I'd take that with a grain of salt. It's also a lot more of a long range electronic warfare system than a weapon.
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b2b4f0 No.643610
>>643564
I think they stopped research actually. They did the warp field experiment which was inconclusive, EM drive have been experimentally shown to be a misunderstanding that came from poor conditions of the initial experiment.
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b2b4f0 No.643611
>>643607
They probably mean microwave laser. Radio jamming systems have an entire branch of military in Russia, I would know I served in there. Most of these are just conventional high power radio jammers, pretty much all of them double as radiolocators and spoofers too.
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e66167 No.643622
>>643598
Seems breedy good, if V4 forms the United Army of Trashboys of Israel sry but had to we should get some of these for our Navy…
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d0f7fb No.643627
>>643611
Sounds like you'd know more about it than I do then. From what I can read online it would seem that the US were working on a AMS style laser in 2014 (vid in my previous post) but don't seem to have done much with the concept after that; and Russia has claimed an undisclosed number of (as yet unseen) EW style laser systems and that they are working on ground based anti-missile/drone lasers (and a rumoured anti-satellite laser fired from a high altitude aircraft). Even if everything claimed about them is true it's probably going to be at least a decade or so (best case scenario) before they move from interesting research projects/propaganda pieces and are properly deployed though.
>>643622
>A multi-million dollar new weapon system is shipped to all US allies
>The 'M1 FREEDOM-RAY!!!' is a huge expense but is described as the future of warfare and an anti-everything superweapon
>High price is offset by removing the need for ammo (everyone keeps very quiet about the maintenance budget though)
>Weapons are completely disabled by a rainy day.
>and enemies carrying smoke grenades
>and crewmen enjoying a cigarette too close to the weapon
>Major scandal when soldiers of various nations are videoed using it to shoot birds soldiers statements that "they fall out of the sky already cooked!" turns out to be a weaker defence than the servicemen thought it would be
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1bf290 No.643629
>>643627
Cooking dinner with a multi-million dollar military laser sounds like the most fun use for it.
I wish we spent millions of dollars on doing dumb yet fun shit instead of just plain dumb shit.
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e3464f No.643643
>>643598
Laser are extremely dubious as weapons, doubly so on ships.
The main problem is the humidity rate in the air, the tiny particles of water diffract light which leads to a terrible energy efficiency.
So while you can justify lasers for guidance or to blind sensors (lots of soviet/russian tech, DIRCM, etc…) because you don't need much to saturate extremely sensitive CCDs making it fairly certain it will works in all weather, the idea to use them as direct energy weapons is quite questionable.
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e3464f No.643651
>>643607
>he Russians have claimed that they have new laser systems to 'jam tank command systems'
It's not new it's one from the same program as >>643603
It's something that scan the terrain for optical glass and applies a pulse to everything it finds, it's an infantry system and it should work on everything, from ATGM launching units to tanks, possibly individual optics.
I've seen it demonstrated and it was offered to export in the late 90's early 2000's but I can't for the life of me remember what it's called.
No clue how prevalent it is or if they had even ordered some prior to recently, but it's not bullshit AFAIK (at least not completely).
Frankly tech-wise it's nothing more complicated than a IR scanner and a handful of high power laser pointers on a rotary mount plugged into a computer, but things don't have to be complicated to work.
Also the Missile Troops are getting the "Persevet" thing which no one really knows what it does (probably blinds KH satellites).
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0290fe No.643657
>>643651
>It's something that scan the terrain for optical glass and applies a pulse to everything it finds
Could you put some glass on the nose of a missile with some kind of a tracker behind it, so that it follows back that laser? Or program the turret of a vehicle to face directly the origin of that laser, so that it will target the source?
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e3464f No.643660
>>643657
Possibly.
Auto anti-laser guidance systems do exist, the problem is all of those relies on a CCD. No CCD nothing to feed the computer data so it would be a question of timed response.
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445b7f No.643661
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d0f7fb No.643662
>>643651
>Also the Missile Troops are getting the "Persevet" thing which no one really knows what it does
Damn, so classified that the only search results I got for the thing were about a Russian naval steam barge from the mid 1800's. Are you sure that's the right name?
>>643657
Give enough engineers enough time and money (and good enough management to make sure it doesn't all go on something crazy/fun) and pretty much anything is possible. I can't see anyone putting much thought into that though - at the moment and probably for the foreseeable future all the contracts are going to projects for policing the hadjis.
>>643661
>lasers are gay
Meh, slightly temperamental, overly affected by environmental factors, but otherwise very useful with a lot of potential. I wouldn't say they were gay, but they've got a lot of growing up to do first.
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e3464f No.643666
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e3464f No.643672
>>643666
>>643662
It's named after Alexander Peresvet a man from a more civilized era.
An Orthodox monk, he was a pious scholar of the Borisoglebsky Monastery latter a follower of St. Sergius of Radonezh (Patron Saint of All-Russia)…
Who fought in single combat for the Russian principalities as their champion against the Tatar champion, Temir-murza for the Golden Horde, at the opening of the Battle of Kulikovo (8 September 1380).
The duel ended in a draw with both dead, which lead to a battle, which the Russians won, securing independence from the Mongol Empire.
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819d61 No.643677
>>643607
>The Russians have claimed that they have new laser systems to 'jam tank command systems'
Since the mid cold war, it's called a Shtora. Or maybe you mean DIRCM? They're been using those on aircraft since Afghan war.
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c5f0b4 No.643710
>>643393
Jesus Christ Greece, that's not even OT, bring her down a notch.
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f53ccf No.643712
>>643611
Just a little correction, a "microwave laser" is simply called a "maser" as its a microwave and not visible light. Changes the acronym and stuff.
Have an A37 as some kind of attempt to bring the thread back to discussing ace combat 7.
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440282 No.643731
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b2b4f0 No.643758
>>643627
Lasers and radiowaves in general have this amazing quantum property of ALWAYS being defocused, they diverge by very significant amount even in vacuum of space without any of the atmospheric scattering. You gonna need an absolute shitload of power to do any damage at ranges exceeding 5 km, so consider laser based weapons to be a meme waste of money for all eternity. You can however destroy sensitive equipment with modest amounts of power.
>>643657
It appears to be a commonly used technology. Radio jammer stations getting BTFO by homing missiles is a common problem. This is why typical mode of operation of such station involves scrambling and leaving the area in less than 10 seconds. Most vehicle-based systems can take off with their 20 meter tower still fully extended, and pack it up on the go. Those that don't have this capability are situated deep within friendly territory.
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d0f7fb No.643770
>>643758
>You gonna need an absolute shitload of power to do any damage at ranges exceeding 5 km
So they have at least some potential for shipboard anti-missile use (no need to snipe some tank 100km away there). A point defence system that doesn't need to adjust its aim to lead the target would be an advantage, it would also be at the upper end of effective range compared to modern gun based CIWS systems, probably a lot cheaper than using anti-missile-missiles (on a '£s per kill' basis) over the life of the system as well.
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b2b4f0 No.643835
>>643770
>cheaper over life of the system
I wouldn't count on that. Just like conventional guns, lasers require repairs. They can degrade and fail and then you need to basically replace the entire thing, sans the housing.
Also, leading the target is completely trivial and is a non-issue whatsoever. I'm pretty sure it is also much cheaper and more reliable to use a minigun as anti-missile weapon than a laser.
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b2b4f0 No.643836
>>643835
Also lasers have this entire problem of "coat it with chrome to get 99.5% resistance" which you cannot do anything about.
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63d1e5 No.643840
>>643836
Well, at least equipment would look pretty cool. I wouldn't mind a space-age shiny tank.
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819d61 No.643909
>>643758
Don't forget that the best modern laser weapons are around 15% efficient.
That means for every 1000J poured in, 150J is turned to destructive laser energy, and 850J is turned into waste heat. In space this basically means you cook yourself before the enemy even feels it.
It only sort of works when you have infinity coolant (ocean) nearby, or you're a BIG vehicle shooting a relatively TINY vehicle.
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b9a8f0 No.643996
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>>643569
Wanna go down the rabit hole anon?
it already exist
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d0f7fb No.644015
>>643840
Damnit Russia, were you one step ahead of us again in developing antilaser armour? :^)
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531c4c No.644017
>>644015
I mean, they though the Space Shuttle was supposed to carry lasers into space before diving into the atmosphere to nuke Moscow.
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4f773d No.644025
>>644015
Jokes' aside how effective against lazors would metallic shine be?
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e66167 No.644027
>>643996
Seems nice. Was it used in combat?
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031c78 No.644039
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>>644015
It took me a while to realize that this is a scale model.
>>644025
Not at all.
The albedo of polished aluminium is 0.6 to 0.75, which means that only 40 to 25% of all visible light hitting the surface gets absorbed.
For comparison: a wall painted white reflects 80% and absorbs 20%.
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445b7f No.644040
>>644039
>a wall painted white reflects 80% and absorbs 20%
<Burgers spend trillions on supah sekrit futuristic lasers
<They use them to shoot some shitskins' cars and campsites
<Shitskins just paint all their gear in white paint and become immune to the trillions in cost super laser gun
It will happen in our lifetime
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b5184c No.644058
>>644040
>Shitskins just paint all their gear in white paint and become immune to the trillions in cost super laser gun
>white paint
Why are physics so anti-semitic?
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af6366 No.644065
>>644015
>were you one step ahead of us again in developing antilaser armour?
Anti-laser armor has been widespread since the 1950s, and was used on both sides. It's called anti-flash white. The exact same reason it protects against a nuclear flash will also make it effective against lasers.
Of course, these days we paint aircraft to absorb as much as possible, because of the stealth meme.
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feffd9 No.644069
Su-34 has the cutest nose
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d0f7fb No.644073
>>644017
Somewhere, in a better timeline, Space Shuttle Door Gunners are a real and respected MOS.
>>644025
Not particularly, at least in RL. As there's no such thing as a perfect reflector any surface will take some damage from the laser hit, and that damage makes the surface less reflective, which means the same energy will damage the surface more, which …..
At reflective, ablative, layer of armour could be useful to give you a little bit longer before you start taking damage to bits you care about. That's probably more useful for missiles than vehicles though. Smoke that's opaque at the lasers wavelength would do a much better job, if it became relevant.
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bdd97d No.644081
>>643536
Spergook, kill yourself. Also: reported.
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542878 No.644083
>>644069
*wompf*
>henlo anun :333
>anun I'm here tuu :PP
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dd2127 No.644084
>>644083
>this is what happens when you lose
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fc9396 No.644172
>>644083
Meh I wouldn't exactly complain…
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d0f7fb No.644185
>>644083
>MURMA SERS ERMA REEL PLERN!!!!
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819d61 No.644194
>>644185
>hi there, would you mind terribly if we park our bombs next to you? in that convenient crater?
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998c15 No.644198
I love them all. I'd probably give it up to the IL-10 or Ki 61 since those are the planes I have flown the most in Il-2.
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53bd7d No.644211
>>643770
>probably a lot cheaper than using anti-missile-missiles (on a '£s per kill' basis)
That's really questionable.
One of Russia big advance in missile tech is the polymer fiber printing (weaving more like) the body for pantsir, kornet, etc…
I'm sure it was a pain to develop, but the result is they're very light (so very fast) and stupidly inexpensive to make since pyrotechnics aren't pricey to begin with.
And it works in the rain without having to hook it up to a nuclear reactor…
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b2b4f0 No.644248
>>644073
Metals don't tarnish under intense heat. Most of them will have their reflectivity increased after a certain point.
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031c78 No.644251
>>644194
OKcool,canyourAAholdthesemissilesformeplease,kthxbye!
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1efa45 No.644253
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e66167 No.644259
We are apparently selling what little amount of Mig-29s we still had. Rip.
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53bd7d No.644263
>>644259
I'm sure you will be able to buy a F-35 right wing for them.
Let's hope you at least get a bunch of F-16V.
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e66167 No.644265
>>644263
>F-16V
Are those useful? Or are they just outdated stuff shipped to second world shitholes?
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6f204b No.644277
>>644265
In comparison to something none can afford to fly and use, certainly.
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819d61 No.644296
>>644277
>>644265
>>644263
>>644259
Hungary can't afford to throw money away on sky knights. Just get a bunch of biplanes and throw barrel bombs out of them, the fuck is the point of having like two MiGs.
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031c78 No.644298
>>644253
Don't be stupid, Greekanon. The Bundeswehr inherited a lot of war material from the NVA in 1990.
Among tanks, APCs, IFVs, UAZs, AKs SPAAGs, SPAGs and an entire airforce.
We had so much stuff that we didn't know what to do with it, so at first we tried to find ways to use it. But you could only blow up so many tanks for training purposes.
Then we began selling them. But how should you sell and entire navy? Who could afford a navy all at once?
So then we just gave shit away for free. Most of the US test stock of MiGs, Hinds and so on came from the DDR's collapse.
And we still have stuff leftover. Truckloads of AKs and SKS' in storage. I got to look at entire rooms of old AKs, entombed in cosmoline for all eternity. Feels good to know that we could arm our army about three times over with old ammo to spare if shit ever really hits the fan hard.
And that's not even all of it. After 1990 we never properly took stock of anything.
The only thing that happened was that each type of object was classified into three categories:
I: we can use it and we will keep it
II: we can use it for some time, but eventually it will be III
III: we can not use it. Sell it or throw it away.
Everything was so rushed that we just rolled over to their garrisons, talked to the commanders for a while, and then told them to leave the keys on the desk. We took down their flags with some music, and that was about it.
I know it's fucked that I say "we" and "they", but it honestly feels like it.
We also accepted about 5 percent of the competent soldiers, the rest was laid off and received a very small pension. Those who got accepted were mostly maintenance crews.
Anything that was not nailed down was stolen. All the east German shit you have on the US market, all the SKS', pouches and helmets? Stolen or sold from storage. Remember that these guys had months to plan, hide and move equipment they wanted to keep for themselves.
The NVA had six active divisions and 7 reserve divisions with equipment 100% in storage, the modern Bundeswehr has trouble maintaining two regular divisions.
The NVA had two entire regiments dedicated to maintaining and constructing roads, and one regiment to maintaining and constructing bridges, plus their normal pioneering battalions. All with full equipment and fuel.
The NVA had 131 warships and >40 support vessels, and more than 100.000 wheeled vehicles plus 300.000 tonns of ammunition.
And that doesn't even mention the heavily militarized police force too, or their boarder guards. The entire affair was a mess. We threw around equipment left right and center, and we still have shit left over.
A single MiG is nothing to us. We sold 22 to Poland for next to nothing because they were rusting away.
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e66167 No.644306
>>644296
We should had repair and upgrade those Migs anyway. They could had come handy in the coming eradication of gipsies. They could also be used in bullying migrant shitskins. But alas, this is what happens when you let your country ruled over by a bunch of oligarchs…
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d0f7fb No.644309
>>644306
>They could had come handy in the coming eradication of gipsies. They could also be used in bullying migrant shitskins
Wouldn't something like this be far more effective AND economical in that role?
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3ffe4f No.644311
>>644296
You are absolutely correct, we'd be better off with AA.
>>644309
Even that is a waste. If we wanted to eradicate them, we'd have plenty of volunteers for the death squads. Damn, we wouldn't even have to pay them, and they'd organize their own transportation. All they'd need is some surplus arms and ammunition.
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d0f7fb No.644316
>>644311
Nice dubs, in that case couldn't the Hungarian government just issue a general hunting licence for 'insert group here'? No bag limit, add on a state subsidy for sporting arms/ammo to make things easier for the hunters, as much as you'd probably get a large number of foreign nationals interested in a deal like that make them pay a (reasonable) fee for their permit to help offset the subsidy for citizen arms. No need for surplus, and it should bring in some good business for the Hungarian firearms production/retail sectors.
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a82062 No.644317
>>644311
I'd give them whatever they wanted.
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e66167 No.644323
>>644309
We already have that, although not too much.
>>644311
Yeah but never get rid of "okay"-ish weapons if you already have them.
>>644316
Frankly, we should make several militias of border patrols, give them some basic training, some guns and equipment and settle them along the line of our southern borders. Any shitskin trying to cross the border would be shot down. Our army and police could then handle the gipsies…
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f0f8d8 No.644354
I always liked swing-wing jets.
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031c78 No.644366
>>644354
You are either going to throw up or cum buckets. Maybe both.
I personally think it's quite sexy and could have very minimal applications for landing approach with strong crosswinds, or gliding bombs.
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939766 No.644368
CEASE TALKING ABOUT PLANES
THIS IS NOW AN AMERIMUTT HATE THREAD
DISCUSS ONLY YOUR HATRED FOR AMERIMUTTS
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fc9396 No.644374
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031c78 No.644380
>>644368
No.
This thread in one picture.
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b5184c No.644392
>>644368
>mutt hate thread
Ok then.
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fc9396 No.644404
>>644392
Sopwith Camel would beat F-35 in dogfight
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031c78 No.644406
>>644392
We all know the F35 is a shit. Don't overuse that joke please, or it will have to go into maintenance.
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b5184c No.644410
>>644404
The F-35's targeting supercomputer would probably get confused at the sight of a biplane, decipher the grand unified theory in attempt to get a bead on the unknown target followed by shooting a missile at itself to end the suffering.
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031c78 No.644412
>>644410
>not interpreting the biplane as two planes flying in close proximity
>not shooting two missiles at the same target
>not making the missiles collide in midair
>not making the computer fire another pair of missiles immediately
It's like you don't work at the plant producing the missiles.
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b5184c No.644414
>>644412
>not forcing the pilot to go in for guns after wasting all of its 2 internally carried missiles
>not having the airplane overheat from maneuvering while the off-center cannon misfires, jams and cooks off its ammo as the pilot is trying to figure out which of the 5 radar gunsights displayed on the HUDs is displaying a valid lead on target
>not having the resulting disaster lead to the creation of a $500 billion mandatory upgrade package from Lockheeb for all F-35s sold
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308815 No.644419
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d0f7fb No.644426
>>644366
>See the design on the front cover
>Feel immediately disgusted
>Page 1 of 127
Can you give us a tl;dr? How is that monstrosity anything other than an escaped nightmare?
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031c78 No.644435
>>644426
It's a testbed NASA built to figure out what kind of advantages and challenges planes with oblique wings would face.
Basically some guy said:"if planes could fold in their wings they would take up less space on the taxi-way and they could make final approach with harsher crosswinds, How hard could it be to build and fly one?"
And NASA, because it consists of a bunch of autists, took that rhetoric question literally and decided to build a test aircraft to test those wing configurations.
Turns out that NASA has a bunch of very competent engineers, and everything turned out better than expected.
However the mechanism to turn the wings reliably and ensure that nothing moves when it is not meant to do weighs a whole lot and it would be a massive waste to put it on an aircraft that doesn't really need it that badly.
The entire foldable wing mechanism of the is based on this plane.
Also: READ NIGGER, READ!
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fc9396 No.644439
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fd6b93 No.644594
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819d61 No.644610
>>644419
>>644594
HURR AGENT KEVIN WE ARE GOING TO MEASURE HOW PRO-RUSSIA THE IMAGEBOARDS ARE
YOU GO TO THE DOMESTIC TERRORIST IMAGEBOARD AND POST A BUNCH OF AIRPLANE PHOTOGRAPHS WITH THE CODE KEY
GOOGLE BOT CRAWLERS WILL TELL US IF THE IMAGES ARE DOWNLOADED AND USED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
tip lel
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82a5fc No.644611
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b5184c No.644615
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82a5fc No.644622
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>there is enough space to stand up, stretch and squat in airplane
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82a5fc No.644625
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82a5fc No.644626
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>>644615
JJ, absolutely patrician
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031c78 No.644636
When it comes to Mercedes-Benz, I prefer the classics. Light wipers are cute. CUTE
Also: my Carfu. VW Polo IV gen. 2; 5 door version.
Take off the roof and remove the backseats an you got a good lil' pickup for TOYOTAing innacity.
Leave the roof and backseats in and you got a small, fuel efficient, and sporty little car that can accelerate like a a fa/tg/uy running for the toilet after painting IG for ten hours straight.
Ignore anything after gen. 4. The car itself is still good, but the internals aren't nearly as comfy anymore.
Another top quality car: Mercedes Benz G-class.
Civillian version use filters, but you can take those off easily :3
Newer versions look more sturdy, but are essentially the same car with more plastic bits tacked on.
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819d61 No.644647
>>644636
Crown vic is the last good western car, it just needs a upgraded engine.
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c8a176 No.644661
>we have to defend the Fatherland, Onii-chan!
>y-you won't ever leave me, right?
>Führer-sama said death before dishonour!
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8d8f7c No.644688
>>644423
>>644610
That's an iPhone filename you dumb shits. Do you think that every image named "ClipboardImage.jpg" is also a tracker?
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bfce03 No.644689
>>644647
Pic related is basically a Crown Vic with a Mustang engine.
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819d61 No.644704
>>644688
I would call it a copy, although I agree it was a stellar vehicle. It's just been discontinued because the factories in mexico couldn't handle that level of quality and all support was cut for them.
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53bd7d No.644747
>>644265
>Are those useful?
Exact same tech as the F-35 without the stealth gimmick related BS, with the ability to turn/climb/fly possibly better than anything else in it's class (composite wings and fuselage elements better engine than older ones, etc…) and with an extremely mature ordnance kits & tech integration (A2A, A2G, A2S), all of it at a ridiculously low cost.
I love our Mirages but there is no doubt this version of the F-16 is a step above.
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b5184c No.644752
>>644747
But it doesn't have canards.
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501b26 No.644849
Obsoleteand Swedecuck, but without doubt the most beautiful planform.
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8b07ca No.644851
>>644647
>needs an upgraded engine
Why would you take something that is so reliable and durable and replace one of the key components of why 99% of US police used them and still do for 30+ years? If the engine must be upgraded stick an old american big block in it.
>>644689
>a mustang engine
that's pretty vague my dude, there are lots of different options for engines in mustangs. I mean hell there are 5.0L V8 fastbacks that are pushing 30 less HP than a 4.6L V8 crown vic engine
im a car and motorcycle fag sorry
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8b07ca No.644852
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c8a176 No.644853
>>644851
The 4.6 in the Crown Vic from 92-12 was basically the same as the one in the late SN95 Mustangs. Bit of difference in valve timing but it generally met or exceeded the numbers being pushed by anything but the high end GTs.
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6a5372 No.644855
>>644849
Excellent.
>>644852
pic related
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8b07ca No.644858
>>644853
Exactly, why replace something so time tested and durable with something else with the same specs?
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060c5f No.645154
>>644849
How well would these perform with a modern avionics suite+TVC?
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0261f4 No.645157
>>645154
If you happen to have radar dominance you could probably stick some modern missiles on there and deal with any modern aircraft just fine. As with most early jet fighters they were overcomplicated where they should have been simple and were hence quite pricey to maintain and probably not too cheap to fly. Which is to say, you might as well be using something modern.
They are decently fast with a top speed of around Mach 1.8 which isn't a bad result even today faster than F-35 still kek and would probably be entirely sufficient for defence roles.
Definitely a bit of a thicc bitch though, it probably would show up on enemy radar really easy.
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8b04c0 No.645162
>>645157
>it probably would show up on enemy radar really easy
So the opening phase includes waves of Draken carrying anti-radiation missiles, taking that concern out of consideration without needing major investment in EW or completely redesigning the aircraft to improve it RCS.
>Definitely a bit of a thicc bitch
Fuck you, she's beautiful.
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2c88a1 No.645168
>>643569
I know the navy has started seriously on railguns in some capacity.
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0261f4 No.645171
>>645168
I thought that project was shelved.
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ef7a22 No.645179
>>645154
>modern avionics
I hate to break it to you, strelok, but there isn't really anything modern about modern avionics.
Flight control computers have existed since the '90s and have been slowly implemented in almost every older plane that lacked them during major upgrades.
They are insanely useful for preventing pilots from doing retarded shit and getting a plane crashed because of hypoxia effects include lack of judgement and euphoria, but unless your plane is designed to be aerodynamically unstable (and thus requires them to fly and employ controlled stalling for manouvering) like the Eurofighter or Rafale, they won't add anything to the performance.
A couple new ideas (like simulating special manouvers that are very risky and allowing the FCC to perform them under certain circumstances, or allowing the aircraft to go to it's absolute safe limits depending on fuel/weapons load, air moisture, pressure and airspeed) are slowly being implemented on some aircraft, but it costs a lot to run the necessary simulations at the necessary level of accuracy to fully implement them for every old plane from every third world nation.
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060c5f No.645187
>>645179
I know modern avionics aren't as modirn as they claim to be, but I recon they should still be somewhat of a necessity for properly implementing a 3D thrust vector control nozzle.
Would you a supermaneuverable Draaken outfitted with an LPI AESA Radar, IRST, off-boresight helmet cueing and souped up AIM-54s?
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5421af No.645320
>>644354
It will be a crime against aesthetics if the F-14 is withdrawn from service before some of them are paint old burgundy.
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5421af No.645330
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82882f No.645458
>>645330
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer
Why link to that? China still has the third fastest supercomputer in the world.
Fair enough, it can never be the fastest or most power efficient because China can't produce <20nm transistors yet since the US obviously doesn't want them to have access to that technology and only Intel, a few Korean companies, GlobalFoundries and TSMC can manufacture them but semiconductor research takes decades to catch up to the cutting edge.
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bfce03 No.645462
>>644851
It's the 4.6L DOHC. Stock power is ~300hp.
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5421af No.645466
>>645458
Was pointing out that China has the technology. If you read the image you'll realize the reason their engines and aeronautic material suck is most probably because chinks are jewing each other.
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82882f No.645468
>>645466
Eh, with the military there it's probably an entirely different beast since the PRC is brutal and will execute anybody they feel like and all the companies are state owned.
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a7a341 No.645492
>Since the US obviously doesn't want them to have access to that technology and only Jews, lots of Gooks, somes nips, a single burger company and Chinks can manufacture them.
Yeaaaah… Somehow I don't see the US succeeding in that.
>Intel's First 10nm Processor Lands In China.
>Intel's much-anticipated, and oft-delayed, 10nm processors have popped up in a Lenovo Ideapad 330, which is a low-end notebook that comes with 4GB of memory and a 500GB HDD, at Chinese retailer JD.com.
https://archive.is/sNXt1
China has lot of production problems but when it comes to R&D they're the ones closest to discover FTL technology simply because they have more researchers than everyone else put together, they're bound to catch up just by the sheer numbers of monkeys in front of a typewriters they can put out.
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4b7ba1 No.645493
>>645492
Since the US or the Western world do not even TRY at all.
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a4613c No.645496
>>645493
If only the westerners would genocide the shitskins, kikes, and cucks that support them.
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4b7ba1 No.645506
>>645496
Sometimes I look back at the Moon Landing and wonder what the fuck are we fucking doing right now compared to the 50s-60s.
inb4 it's fake
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a7a341 No.645593
>>645506
>inb4 it's fake
That's the thing, people think it's fake because technology as a whole has stagnated, even regressed in some domains (the US can't do a manned moon landing without restarting basically from scratch), only digital tech is knowing a real push (but even that has largely plateaued).
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08e09b No.645626
>>645492
Please don't post about shit you have no idea about. I'm talking about domestic production of <20nm chips, not American companies selling them to China. Reverse engineering modern silicon is near impossible, so Chinks having access to modern consumer chips is no issue.
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a7a341 No.645634
>>645626
> I'm talking about domestic production of <20nm chips
>domestic production
You're talking of shit that is widely produced in Asia (and Israel).
There is barely any microelectronics production in the west, what the western companies do are the designs, when it comes to mass production (so having the machines and factory lines), almost ALL of it is done in Asia and that has included microprocessors for a fucking while now.
China has both Chinese (SMIC) production of <20nm and offshored (Samsung/Apple/Micron, etc…)
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20190130VL200.html
That ship has sailed years ago.
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e6e373 No.645653
>>645634
>Asia
Only really Korea and Taiwan, both US friendly. All that article says is that there is a possibility that they may start being able to produce 14nm this year. Nothing certain yet and they will keep being two steps behind since IBM has 5nm and TSMC and Intel are focusing on 7 and 10nm.
Honestly, the US should just consider killing the CCP by now. If they got serious, they could do it in a year.
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1e28de No.645723
>>645593
>(but even that has largely plateaued)
This. I was thinking to replace my one-and-a -half decade old PC with the cheapest in the market and realized that specifications were only marginally better and at points even lower than my old one. Back in the 90s computers got antiquated within a couple of years.
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e4b801 No.645737
>>645154
Adding TVC means you have to rewrite the entire flight program and probably means more stress on airframes which have only a few hundred hours left on them, max. Might as well go with a new design at that point.
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a5ad7c No.645754
>>645737
The Idea behind it is to reuse slightly modified existing airframe/airfoil designs with modern tech inside rather than spend trillions of dollars on a brand new abomination.
How expensive would it be to manufacture a basic Draaken airframe using modern metallurgy and other manufacturing techniques in CY+4?
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3106ed No.645805
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ef7a22 No.645806
>>645754
>How expensive would it be to manufacture a basic Draaken airframe using modern metallurgy and other manufacturing techniques in CY+4?
>manufacture a basic Draaken airframe using modern metallurgy and other manufacturing techniques
>using modern metallurgy and other manufacturing techniques
God I hate this meme.
There is no "modern metallurgy". We have used Al2014 and Al2024 since WWII. INCONEL was developed in the 1940s and guess what? Compound fibers are
a) not metals, thus not metallurgy
b) one of the oldest construction materials known to man
See prehistoric spears, axes and arrows: Sinew+resin+stick+rock.
Even if you, in your severe retardation, used "modern metallurgy" to mean "compound fibers", you would still be a massive fucking faggot.
1) Compound fibers are extremely bad at taking stress from any direction other than the fiber direction (-90% at 6°for carbon fibers).
2) Fibers can't be connected easily using screws, bolts and rivets.
3) Fibers can't be machined into shape.
4) Fibers require completely different maintenance (extremely high cost inspection using interferometry).
This means that you have to design a fiber-replacement part with
1) a different shape to take stress along fiber direction only
2) different connection methods, mostly gluing or tufting
3) different production methods in mind (this is both an advantage and disadvantage)
4) a different maintenance plan
This means that a plane built with "modern" materials would look differently, have a different internal structure, have a different weight distribution, and completely different characteristics. It would be a different plane. And that's good, because if you were to replace aluminium parts with fiber parts without considering the above your design would either fail before construction is finished, or immediately upon rollout. It would also cost a lot more and be completely useless.
If you want to use fiber materials you have to completely redo the structure, which means redoing the entire plane. Sure, you could build an airplane that looks at least similarly to a Draken on the outside, but which uses compound fibers on the inside, but what would be the point? Spending millions on redesigning an aircraft, and then spending many more millions on producing it while not fully using the potential of fiber compounds is, without any hyperbole, stupid. It would be a waste of money. You can still build those planes.
You can change out older parts for more expensive ones to improve performance, but unless you are using a 40+ year old turbine there is no reason to change most of the parts. And the only reason why we can still upgrade engines is because designing a turbine engine is a work of art and wizardry. And making a single prototype can cost billions, slowing down development a lot.
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1e28de No.645807
>>645806
If there were no notable metallurgical breakthroughs since WW2 then why can't China build a functional low bypass turbofan even though they have hundreds of perfectly working post-Soviet engines to reverse engineer down to the molecular level?
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1e28de No.645811
>>643359 (OP)
Has the production Su-34 frontal RCS-reduction curvature? because the 90's prototype (Su-27IB) had similar cockpit/duckbill configuration but I'd swear it was noticeably more pointy.
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728bb4 No.645813
>>645807
Because the chinks like to jew one another by selling shitty quality parts or metal and putting things together in a have assed way as long as they can get some dosh out of it.
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ef7a22 No.645814
>>645807
I have no idea about China. My guess is that they are incompetent and don't understand that you can't build cheap turbine engines and are trying to cut corners.
You can not cut corners when it comes to metal spinning super fast at temperatures hotter than an acetylene-oxygen torch.
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ec2c9e No.645818
>>645807
They can build them they can't mass produce them.
Quality control and repeat-ability on mass scale is the biggest hurdle, because you need a bunch load of people doing their job perfectly.
There is a dozen places on the planet that make turbofans, less than that for fighters (afterburners) engines.
China has 3 (3 fighters), the US have 2 (2 fighters), Russia has 3 (2 fighters), France has 1 (1 fighters), UK has 1 (1 fighters), Germany has 1 (0 fighters), Japan has 1 (0 fighters) and India has been struggling to get 1 for 30 years (despite foreign assistance of everyone) and still doesn't have any.
The fact that China does have working 3 homemade turbofans made in by 3 different companies, even if less performative, after only a TEN YEARS program (before 2000 all they did was buy Russian ones, they started the R&D in 2000 and had prototypes around 2005-2006 reached mass prod by 2010) is nothing to scoff at.
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51154a No.645820
>>644392
>When after two decades of development and unimaginable expenses you turn into everything for what your competitor was rejected and even more
Was the Monica vindicated?
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1e28de No.645822
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a5ad7c No.645825
>>645820
>that belly profile
I bet if the X-32 reached production it'd have a lower RCS than the F-35 of our timeline.
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1e28de No.645826
>>645825
And it would be beautiful.
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51154a No.645831
NEVER EVER
>>645806
>This means that a plane built with "modern" materials would look differently
That's retarded. Aerodynamics have nothing to do with internal structure, and planforms can be scaled up and down with minimal change. That's how wind tunnel modeling works.
>Even if you, in your severe retardation, used "modern metallurgy" to mean "compound fibers", you would still be a massive fucking faggot.
Using a tried and tested planform means you already know were the stresses are coming from. Duh.
>If you want to use fiber materials you have to completely redo the structure, which means redoing the entire plane. Sure, you could build an airplane that looks at least similarly to a Draken on the outside, but which uses compound fibers on the inside, but what would be the point?
<hurr durr if you change it it becomes different so what's the point
The Boeing 737 is in production since 1967. The F-16 since 1975. Latter versions don't even resemble the originals internally, and neither does the production line.
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0caed6 No.645832
>>645806
Where the fuck did he say anything about fibers, you fucking sperg?
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ef7a22 No.645879
>>645831
>That's retarded. Aerodynamics have nothing to do with internal structure, and planforms can be scaled up and down with minimal change. That's how wind tunnel modeling works.
Aerodynamics dictate the internal structure. The aerodynamic forces applied on the aircraft hull must be transferred to the fuselage, where it must be spread out so the aircraft won't break apart.
Reshaping the wing for example may increase lift, which means that you have to reinforce the wing-attachment point so it won't shear off in flight, as well as the internal structure of the wing, which now has to support a greater load. Because the wing is now stronger and thus heavier, it will pull down more on the attachment point when the aircraft is landed and thus the attachment point needs even more reinforcement.
The internals of a plane also dictate it's externals. Add a larger fuel tank and you will require greater lift, which requires differently shaped wings, which require different wing internals and so on and so forth. Design is an iterative process. One thing influences the other, which influences the first and the fifth thing. It all comes biting itself in the ass at some point.
>Using a tried and tested planform means you already know were the stresses are coming from. Duh.
I refuse to believe this isn't bait.
>The Boeing 737 is in production since 1967. The F-16 since 1975. Latter versions don't even resemble the originals internally, and neither does the production line.
doubt.jpg
The Engines are still in the same place, wings are still the same length, hydraulics still use the same systems, maybe they got an electrics upgrade, but even then they most likely ripped out old parts and put in newer ones.
The reason why the 737 remained in production is because it fucking works. They didn't change the hull from Al2024 to carboon fiber. They didn't use any new materials, they simply replaced older parts with more efficient ones that have become cheaper.
The best example are the engines. They didn't suddenly use engines that had new materials in them. The same materials were used in the same ways, but with more careful calculations, better simulations and new design philosophies in mind to create engines that work better using the same materials.
They also didn't suddenly stop using rivets to hold the aluminium together. They didn't switch to glue or welding large portions of the hull. They still sue rivets, because those simply work and don't need much calculation. Those rivets are still placed using the same technologies. Riveting robots have existed since the early '90s.
It's not materials that make aircraft perform better or cheaper. It's 40% new regulation technologies, 40% new designs, and 20% new calculations.
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a5ad7c No.645907
>>645879
>It's not materials that make aircraft perform better or cheaper.
What did he mean by this?
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1e28de No.645945
>>645907
The way Su-35's LERXs connect with its head is the most beautiful thing in existence. I never really liked the Berkyt because of this.
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64e5f3 No.645962
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>>644636
G-Wagen is one of the best 4x4 ever built.
My guilty pleasure is RennSport Audi division, especially the RS4 with naturally aspirated V8
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64e5f3 No.645963
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And the RS6 with biturbo lambo V10
(be advised to lower sound if using headphones)
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ef7a22 No.645969
>>645907
Aerospace engineers have used the same materials since the '40s. The real thing that improved airplane performance were new design ideas and calculation methods.
For example the first few jet powered airplanes all used single stage turbines. The turbine in the rear was connected to the compressor in the front with one spinning axis.
This meant that the compressor was rotating at the same speed as the turbine, which is OK for a single disk compressor, but generates continously worse performance the more disks you add to the compressor, because the first few disks are spinning too fast to do any actual work, and the last few are spinning too slow to be of much use.
A long time this caused problems for engineers and was limiting jet engine performance. Then came hollow axis, which revolutionized jet engines.
Now the turbine in the rear and the compressor in the front were separated into two parts. A high pressure and a low pressure section.
The high pressure section of the turbine (immediately rear of the combustion chamber) was connected to the high pressure section of the compressor (immediately forwards of the combustion chamber) using a hollow axis.
The low pressure section of the turbine was connected to the low pressure section of the compressor using a normal axis that went through the high pressure axis. Imagine one axis spinning inside a spinning tube.
This allowed engineers to finally solve the issue with rotation speed of compressor disks and drastically improve jet engine performance.
Note how no new materials were used? No new manufacturing methods were used either. All they did is come up with a new idea to solve a problem.
The same goes for calculation methods. They simply came up with new methods to predict the maximum loads that are still safe for a given material to take under certain circumstances. This is not so much engineering as it is a mix of materials science and engineering, but those new formulas are almost exclusively used in aerospace engineering anyways, simply because it is one of the few areas where a couple kilos are well worth more than 500 extra hours of calculations.
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a5ad7c No.645986
>>645969
>They simply came up with new methods to predict the maximum loads that are still safe for a given material to take under certain circumstances. This is not so much engineering as it is a mix of materials science and engineering, but those new formulas are almost exclusively used in aerospace engineering anyways, simply because it is one of the few areas where a couple kilos are well worth more than 500 extra hours of calculations.
But that shouldn't prevent one from applying said methods for the purpose of improving upon an existing airframe design.
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c15630 No.645987
>>643359
Good ol' Junker Ju-52 is my planefu, specially the modified bomber version used during the Spanish civil war.
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51154a No.645992
>>645879
It is beyond doubt you are a dumb fucking troll who gets off from spamming dumb fucking bullshit, but this inane garbage needs to be addressed.
>The internals of a plane also dictate it's externals. Add a larger fuel tank and you will require greater lift, which requires differently shaped wings, which require different wing internals and so on and so forth. Design is an iterative process. One thing influences the other, which influences the first and the fifth thing. It all comes biting itself in the ass at some point.
Internals do not dictate shit, they exist to support prioritized design elements, like the airframe that was the entire point above.
>The Engines are still in the same place, wings are still the same length, hydraulics still use the same systems, maybe they got an electrics upgrade, but even then they most likely ripped out old parts and put in newer ones.
By which you mean you don't know shit, and you are damn talkative about it.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2013-06-03/more-details-737-max-materials-emerge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon_variants#HiMAT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21_variants
>Aerospace engineers have used the same materials since the '40s. The real thing that improved airplane performance were new design ideas and calculation methods.
Ditto.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbine_blade#Materials
https://www.aerospacemanufacturinganddesign.com/article/amd0814-materials-aerospace-manufacturing/
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492381 No.646078
>no classics
Plebs.
>>645754
>>645986
I hate to agree with a nofun hater but the sperg has a point, in his stupid way. The design is fifties engineering. It's like making a Trabant out of cutting-edge modern materials: you can do it, but it won't work better, in fact it might even be worse.
If you mean taking the Draken's overall shape and design a modern airplane into it, like with the Super Hornet, that is doable.
But it won't be the same thing just made from something else.
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492381 No.646079
>>646078
Love me some Butcher Birds.
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819d61 No.646134
>>646078
Please don't be retarded, the F-5 aerodynamic philosophy is superior to anything in service today. We literally reduced airframe aerodynamics to fit in more fuel and sensors also later stealth.
An F-5 is infinitely more efficient than an F-15, F-16, or F-18.
The single engine version called F-20 is even more so, with a modern engine from the F-18 and carbon composites reducing its weight by 30% it basically becomes capable of supercruising at mach 2.
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1e28de No.646151
>>646134
>An F-5 is infinitely more efficient than an F-15, F-16, or F-18
The F-18 (YF-17) was made as an improvement of the F-5 airframe to specifically improve aerodynamic performance on the aspects F-5 had the advantage over planes.
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8b04c0 No.646165
>>646134
>An F-5 is infinitely more efficient than an F-15, F-16, or F-18.
and wasn't the Wright Flyer more efficient than any of them?
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568896 No.646197
>>645157
>Definitely a bit of a thicc bitch though
Just like most Swedish women. Get them off the farm and off the labor it provides, combine it with the burger diet and suddenly you've got Tugboat Annie on your hands
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356a04 No.646631
>>643527
Because it looks classy
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ef7a22 No.646641
>>646197
>tugboat annie
Don't insult tugboats like that. Without them the entire modern cargo-ship economy would fail.
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35ea05 No.646782
>>646641
Ships are gay af. Real motherfuckers carry their goods on the ground.
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a425b3 No.646784
>>646782
I actually agree, but land transportation takes a bit too long time but tugboat transportation gives away too much pollution.
If only we make ship like before where it's run by wind and hard labor.
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35ea05 No.646786
>>646784
Military ships are ok though.
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35ea05 No.646787
>>646786
Shit, wrong pic. Here's the real Szent István.
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a425b3 No.646788
>>646786
It is very easy to militarize modern tugboats.
In fact, that's what I fear regarding China. Their navy is shit but they have a shitload of tugboats.
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548b4a No.646789
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669694 No.647122
I started this thread when slightly drunk looking at porn (su34 on youtube) and now here we are 159 replies later and a thread full of stuff/knowledge you can not find anywhere else on internet
That's why I love /k/
You're awesome
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23b6aa No.647124
>>647122
>Slovenia
No offense, but when do you want to get a proper airforce?
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ef7a22 No.647138
>>646789
I want to hug a tug boat.
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669694 No.647143
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>>647124
We are having low level terrain military practices this week (with as you know PC-9)
As for your question:
Sadly not until we get rid of communist government/tirany. we are occupied by Soros. People are waking up though. It is a mere question if we manage to take control of our country back in our hands before an all out war erupts in Europe.
people support Hungary here 70%.
The thirty percent hating on Hungary are Soros henchmen, who also control the MSM
Hopefully
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669694 No.647144
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23b6aa No.647189
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>>647143
Just buy a dozen of F-16Vs or Gripens and be done with it.
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ae33ba No.647212
I unironically like the F-16.
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ef7a22 No.647216
>>647212
It's unironically a gud plane.
Relatively cheap, reliable, good all-round multipurpose single engine single seat aircraft with a good service history and a lot of old planes spare parts lying around.
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ef7a22 No.647218
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Why are German early cold war VTOLs so fucking comfy?
And why was the V22 such a massive fucking failure compared to '60s German Space magic?
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6f204b No.647221
>>647218
>seemingly functional VTOL transport in 60's
Why was the program scrapped? Did all the traumatized stalingrad-related veterans end up dying off in such numbers that the whole thing was deemed thoroughly unnecessary?
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ef7a22 No.647222
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Just look at it. It looks like something cut from a 70s scifi comic!
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ef7a22 No.647224
>>647221
Same reason the German post-war stealth missile interceptor program got cancelled.
The US didn't want any non-american competition on the aerospace market. This pressure lead to European aircraft manufacturers slowly dying off because they couldn't sell their aircraft anylonger and were stuck with development costs. Eventually this forced them to join Airbus.
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838711 No.647226
>>647224
I was wondering why our dozen aircraft manufactures just packed up in the 60's and 70's.
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264448 No.647228
>>647224
>The US didn't want any non-american competition on the aerospace market
Keep blaming the US for everything krautist.
The reason why nobody wanted them is that NO ONE wanted to buy German after that little incident called WWII…
Not even the German government.
That plane like everything of that era is about as German as fish and chips, it's British engines designed by a french, using the french concept of VTOL (which was abandoned after the first prototypes in the early 60's when they realized either it would be nightmare cost/maintenance or they would have to seriously impair flying performance, the british continued to refine the same concepts and components into the Harrier, while the french cut their losses ahead and went for full fledged CATOBAR carriers instead).
And, like the first french prototypes, while it was working the bloody thing had 8 (8!) lift engines in addition to it's main engine for flying.
No-one sane would have bought them had they been US.
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ef7a22 No.647236
>>647228
>not even the German government
Which is a lie. They tried to adopt Dornie and Fokker aircraft, but couldn't because if they were the only buyer those planes would have been far too expensive.
>NO ONE wanted to buy German after that little incident called WWII
That is debatable. I would have agreed if you had said that it was because Germany would be the first one to fall under a soviet attack, and thus any further plane deliveries would have fallen through. A problem which could have been solved with license production.
>british engines
Because Rolls Royce already produced tilting thrust turbine engines. Why come up with something new and experimental when you can use components that already work to make it cheaper?
>using the french concept of VTOL
VTOL is not a national concept mate. That would be like saying that the steam engine is a british concept, or assembly lines an american concept. It doesn't matter. We used it. It works. And French aerospace companies didn't achieve the same things with the concept as German ones. Your entire argument is irrelevant.
>No-one sane would have bought them had they been US.
That so far has been the only argument that makes sense. But: all European nations were looking at ways to avoid large concrete targets runways for aircraft at the time. That's why RATOL and VTOL became popular in the first place. At the time the Do31 was, and to this day still is, a revolutionary concept that could have become a staple of most militaries. Faster, longer range and with more capacity than most helicopters of that age, it could seriously have advanced the airborne infantry concept.
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ae33ba No.647426
Everything from Tupolev is beautiful. Even their lemons.
>>647228
>Keep blaming the US for everything krautist.
<It's the invisible hand of the market fairy that favors the garbage the McMongrel lobbyists want! Pure coincidence!
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d66a7d No.647434
>>647426
It looks more futuristic and streamlined than its replacement. Wonder why it sucked so hard it had to be retconned out of history.
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b77437 No.647436
>>647189
What's up with these youtube channels with a bunch of stolen footage and a TTS voice about military shit? There are so many of these.
>>647212
There are people who dislike it? I have almost never heard anyone be particularly negative about it.
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d66a7d No.647439
>>647212
>>647216
>>647436
Other than Lockheeb and durkey currently having the production rights, there's nothing really bad about it and it's even really good in certain aspects.
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d66a7d No.647440
>>647228
>Keep blaming the US for everything krautist.
He's right though. The European industries died so that murkan lobbies would monopolize high-ends military gear and only (((Dassault))) managed to survive the purge.
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ef7a22 No.647471
Do helos count?
>ywn fly your helo to work
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e49815 No.647477
>>647436
Dunno. I only ever use yt once or twice a week, and even then just for watching videos about weapons/military conflicts…
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ae33ba No.647714
T H I C C
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>>647434
>muh futuristic and streamlined look
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ae33ba No.647719
Brutality has a beauty on its own.
>>647436
>>647439
It carries the stigma of being popular, and a ZOG-mobile to boot.
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ae33ba No.647724
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ae33ba No.647726
>>647719
First pic is a 31, but it's not like the design philosophy is that much different.
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819d61 No.647764
>>647726
Same design philosophy as an F-15. Intakes are part-ramjet at high altitudes, there's just not enough air for them not to be partially used to collect and compress the airflow.
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d66a7d No.647855
>>647726
> but it's not like the design philosophy is that much different
Both are a direct developments of the Ye-155P protoype, the main difference was that the -31 spared some more shekels in its development and maintenance-budget in order to make it useful in actual air-combat whereas the -25 was obsolete the moment the West developed the first countermeasure (namely the very first 4th gen fighters) and was left with its only use being dickwaving competitions between sandniggers (and curryniggers).
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ae33ba No.647916
>>647764
Stop making up bullshit.
Variable geometry intakes are for Mach 2+ flight, not ramjets or altitude. Beyond that, the plane has nothing in common with the F-15.
>>647855
Ditto.
The plane was made to intercept bombers and reconnaissance, not dogfighting shit.
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819d61 No.647932
>>647916
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intake_ramp
>An intake ramp is a rectangular, plate-like device within the air intake of a jet engine, designed to generate a number of shock waves to aid the inlet compression process at supersonic speeds.
>inlet compression
>inlet compression
>inlet compression
It's a pseudo ramjet idea, the philosophy of this type of design is clear, air needs to be pre compressed at high altitude because the air pressure there is lower. Take 10 seconds to google a post before making such a revolting reply clearly with intent to start an internet argument.
>>647855
You need to have more speed than a bomber to effectively intercept it, although "intercept" is a misnomer since WWII. A bomber approaching at mach 2.2+ will deliver the payload before you can intercept it, the point of modern interceptors is to catch up with the bomber in a stern chase before it can overfly your country and disappear under friendly air force umbrella. The point is to shoot it down so the enemy can't use it again.
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f68d71 No.647951
>>647932
Not true at all, back in the 80s we routinely did head-on interceptions of SR-71s and MiG-25s. It's mostly just a matter of keeping a few interceptors ready to launch at all times, which we stopped doing in the 90s because it's expensive and we need that money to buy more F-35s.
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d66a7d No.647983
>>647916
>The plane was made to intercept bombers
Therefore it was completely useless the moment XB-71 and B-1A were cancelled.
>and reconnaissance
That's where the dickwaving competitions between sandniggers comes into play. No NATO or first world air-defenses, not even us or durkroaches would have real trouble shooting down an overflying Foxbat with the average Sparrow.
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6dc6fa No.648115
>>647932
>every shock cone or ramp is a ramjet
Retard. The shock waves are for protecting the compressor from supersonic airflow, not to make a ramjet like on the SR-71. Take 10 seconds to google a post before making such a revolting reply clearly with intent to start an internet argument.
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068950 No.649112
With NGF comprising the fighter element of the system-of-systems, the Next-Generation Weapon System (NGWS) comprises the NGF and unmanned ‘wingmen’, while the wider Future Combat Air System comprises the NGWS and all other air assets in the future operational battlespace.
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6afcbe No.650089
Reminder that pusher props are the sexiest configuration and that the rise of jets is the greatest crime to aircraft aesthetics.
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09d423 No.650090
>>650089
Ok now hear me out. I got a crazy idea.
Alright, you with me?
What if you had a plane with a pusher prop, forward swept wings, and canards?
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f68d71 No.650094
>>650089
It's a real shame that all the really cool designs are obscure prototypes that nobody ever heard of.
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068950 No.650099
>>650089
>pusher props are the sexiest configuration
You are objectively wrong.
>inb4 Hindenburg disaster
Even in death they are majestic as fuck.
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a5ad7c No.650107
>>650089
Meine Flüchtlingsfachkraft.
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f23efd No.650110
>>650089
Dunno, seems kinda countereffective to me since the only advantage of props is the extra-lift they generate.
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f16691 No.650145
>>650099
why did they change graf zeppelin 2 over to tractor props when the hindenburg had pusher props?
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6afcbe No.650159
>>650110
Performance is relative, beauty is forever.
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33fc25 No.650204
Them thrust vectoring nozzles are beyond sexy. Why couldn't an F-15 with canards have been adopted instead of the .mil paying for mexican tranny surgeries? Truly the worst timeline. F-15 ACTIVE/STOL/MTD is best F-15.
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068950 No.650501
>>650204
But the US started using vectoring nozzles though :^)
F22 looks like a fucking space ship.
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723b78 No.650514
>>650501
There's no stealth in space.
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63d1e5 No.650515
>>650514
Why don't we just respect stealth-looking designs and treat them as if they were hidden as an agreement instead? The cooler it's looking the better are its "stealth" capabilities.
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f68d71 No.650517
>>650514
There isn't any stealth in the atmosphere either :^)
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d4f97f No.650524
>>650501
It's just not the same Germany, it's just not the same…
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b2fd60 No.650534
>>644610
Don't pretend that slavshit planefus aren't sexy.
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723b78 No.650566
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63d1e5 No.650572
>>650566
7/10 not ridiculous enough
Put some big ass artillery cannon on it to confuse your enemy and strike fear in their hearts
Or make it an actual boomerang, with a giant sling launcher and AI-guided targeting so that it can hit your enemy while it flies spinning over the panicking troops
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48edfb No.650632
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>>647212
>>647216
F-16 is the girl next door and my 1st <3
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068950 No.650637
>>650566
We need to make it THICCER!
>>650632
If F16 is the girl next door, F18 is hot singles in your area!
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819d61 No.650649
>>648115
>are ramjet
>>647764
>Intakes are part-ramjet at high altitudes, there's just not enough air for them not to be partially used to collect and compress the airflow.
>>647932
>It's a pseudo ramjet idea
I bothered to put a word in front of the word "ramjet", which makes it fucking plain that it's not a ramjet.
Maybe you should learn to read Israel Flag muttspammer.
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48edfb No.650653
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>>650637
If I want a twin-engine jet, I'll go for the Mig-29.
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723b78 No.650697
>>650524
>>650204
>>650501
You almost answered his original question. Thrust vectoring used in a dogfight is a very risky and wasteful energy for positioning trade-off and since the Su-27 and MiG-29 families championed this greatly opportunistic aspect of super-high alpha maneuvering, even without thrust-vectoring it was easily (((dismissed by the West as useless))) for propagandistic reasons since the Su-27 was already overwhelming all other contemporary fighters in almost every performance aspect even though they had extensively experimented with TV for combat maneuvers with at least satisfactory results:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell-MBB_X-31
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_VISTA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Alpha_Research_Vehicle
The reason F-22 has thrust vectoring is the same reason F-15SMT never came to be. F-22, thanks to TV, currently has the highest instantaneous turn rate among all production western fighters at more than 27^/sec and equals or maybe even surpasses Su-27 in this aspect. Problem is that due to stealth aerodynamic compromises it bleeds energy probably even more intensely than the, heavily criticized for this, Russian equivalents when they pull similar maneuvers, like the P's Cobra, resulting in some more or less embarrassing reports in dogfights against 4th gen fighters (thankfully for the Raptor though it can compensate with top energy replenishment due to unprecedented thrust/weight ratio).
Now without the thrust vectoring and even with the excellent t/w ratio the F-22's maneuvering characteristics would not be that impressive. The already somewhat faster and slightly higher flying F-15 would be a serious threat to F-22's image, already stained by questions about cost effectiveness, if it incorporated the SMT configuration, consequently blowing F-22 out of the water in all areas of conventional performance.
Thrust vectoring might be far from a close quarter combat panacea but IMO its performance enhancing aspects are far from being limited to that. Most notably:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_STOL/MTD#Design_and_development
>Controlled flight at angles of attack up to about 85 degrees
> vectored takeoffs with rotation at speeds as low as 42 mph (68 km/h)
>A 25-percent reduction in takeoff roll
>Landing on just 1,650 ft (500 m) of runwaycompared to 7,500 ft (2,300 m) for the standard F-15 (!!!)
Now to even further beyond, imagine what would have happened if they were to mix S/MTD's technology with Silent Eagle's stealthy perks and F-22's engines.
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068950 No.650698
>>650653
I think we already talked about that one.
It looks so fucking sexy.
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a5ad7c No.650717
>>650697
>Now to even further beyond, imagine what would have happened if they were to mix S/MTD's technology with Silent Eagle's stealthy perks and F-22's engines.
I have a faint hope the F-15X might incorporate at least some of the above in its design, especially once the F-35 reaches wider "adoption" and F-22s start getting retired due to lack of tooling.
That said how does the F-22's instantaneous turn rate compare with that of the Eurofighter, Gripen and Rafale?
Delta canard planes are renowned for their instantaneous turns at the cost of sustained turn rate and Eurocanards were able to score WVR kills against Raptors during Red Flag exercises if I recall.
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f5aac8 No.650731
>>650717
>Delta canard planes are renowned for their instantaneous turns at the cost of sustained turn rate
Yes, but surprisingly enough the Rafale and especially the Eurofighter have a considerably better sustained turn performance than any other fighter in service except the F-16 in light configuration, which is slightly inferior to the Rafale, while their high alpha capacity, which is usually positively correlated to instantaneous turn rate and, is mediocre in Rafale and abysmal in the Typhoon at less than 40 degrees maximum allowed.
According to Eurofighter Consortium's claims from the early 00's the Typhoon slightly surpasses the Rafale and together they also slightly surpass Su-27 and consequently MiG-29; I call bullshit on both claims given that the later two have sustained AoA values of over 80 degrees and given that Rafale is the only one from the earlier two that can pull some cobraesque supermaneuvers.
Have no real clue about the Gripen but knowing that, like Rafale and unlike Typhoon with its long-arm canards, it has close coupled canards, more conventional air intake positioning and comparatively anemic thrust/weight, I'd guess it is closer to Rafale's values but not with not as good sustained turn performance.
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f5aac8 No.650732
>>650717
>>650731
>>Delta canard planes are renowned for their instantaneous turns at the cost of sustained turn rate
And btw though this is true in most cases it might as well be an observational artifact resulting from the fact that the by far most used delta wings in combat were the MiG-21 (essentially a tailed delta) and most characteristically the Mirage III, which' derivatives pretty much monopolized the delta-canard configuration and which' basic aerodynamic design sucked in terms of sustained turn rate all the way up to the Mirage2000.
The Viggen not only had top-notch sustained turning among 3rd gen fighters but even more impressively managed to do so while being a complete fatass though to be fair it was just an engine with wings, a cockpit and a nose cone.
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2b747c No.650784
No love for the awkward F-111 Aadvark?
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f5aac8 No.650798
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068950 No.650837
>>650784
It's just a fuel dump. I know you aussies got a strange attraction to burnign kerosene for no purpose, but that's no excuse.
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5bb1c3 No.650844
>>650837
Better to burn it then let the abbos at it. They're already a danger when they huff petrol, imagine the damage they could cause on kerosene.
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a5ad7c No.650874
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>>650731
>while their high alpha capacity, which is usually positively correlated to instantaneous turn rate and, is mediocre in Rafale and abysmal in the Typhoon at less than 40 degrees maximum allowed.
Probably has something to do with the fact that pure canard configs can't ever exceed a certain AoA envelope lest their canard stalls safely mid-turn or the main wing stalls first propelling the airplane into an unrecoverable loop-de-loop.
Three surface configs do not suffer from this as the big tailplane elevators usually retain their drag-based control authority when pitching the nose up in lieu of canard fuckery.
Another reason to install TVC nozzles I suppose.
t. played some simpleplanes
>>650844
>Abos on Kerosene vs Niggers on KFC&Watermelon
Who would win?
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f5aac8 No.650890
>>650874
>Who would win?
Humanity.
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819d61 No.650892
>>650874
This is only if the canard is a crucial control surface, and not merely a redundant addition. Some Russian jets have canards too and they do fine because it's a redundant control surface in case their giant tails get shot off.
Typhoon and Rafale basically have no trail, they relies on the canards as actual control surfaces.
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f5aac8 No.650893
>>650874
Good observation btw. I'd assume that fully movable canards is another part for the trick even though all modern Europoor delta canards have it nowadays.
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f5aac8 No.650894
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819d61 No.650895
>>650892
Ooops it's 9 control surfaces, the body of the russian jet has several air brakes, a large dorsal one and two smaller ventral ones.
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8eb311 No.650903
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f5aac8 No.650908
>>650892
>this selection of font and color though
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a5ad7c No.650909
>>650893
All-moving Canards are funny in that they really love to pitch up and will never cause the plane to "spin" when doing so, but pitching down rapidly generates unstable drag vortexes and other shit that makes bad things happen.
There's a reason the EF-2000, Rafale and Gripen can't fly without their respective FBW systems continously autocorrecting the canard pitch 6 million times/sec so the planes stay on course.
Fixed canards like on the Gripen are much more predictable in that regard, they just need to be properly designed and balanced against the rest of the airframe.
>>650892
>redundancy
Canards also help with fuel efficiency and short takeoffs/landings.
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f5aac8 No.650912
>>650909
>Canards also help with fuel efficiency
That's very conditional though.
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a5ad7c No.650913
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>>650912
The additional lift+relative lack of drag generated by them does help somewhat, though it depends on a number of factors.
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e6461c No.650918
>>650903
I work at a museum that repairs and build old fabric prop planes.
Compared to aluminum, fabric planes are very light and versatile, stall speeds are low and take off and landing can occur over as little as 200 feet.
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f5aac8 No.650919
>>650913
As an extra aerodynamic surface they actually increase total drag, they just eliminate some turbulence that causes great part of parasitic drag as speed increases, especially with long arm canards hence the Typhoon's low speed performance issues that required redesigning the main wings' LERXs.
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819d61 No.650953
>>650913
>>650909
Again it's a "relative lack of drag" if you remove your freaking tail, which has a whole host of problems like canard stalling at high AOA and acting as an airplane brake in maneuvers.
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a5ad7c No.650969
>>650953
>canard stalling at high AOA
I doubt the canards on Eurokikers and the like do that, they're far too big.
Also stalling before the main wing is an inherent safety feature of stable canard designs.
<acting as an airplane brake in maneuvers
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068950 No.651217
I personally think that hardpoints are the sexiest part of an aircraft.
They hold extremely heavy external weights at very high g-loads and will still release with relative certainty once the pilot pushes a button. Sugoi.
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e50f16 No.651245
>>650892
Bitch don't insult the Rafale aerodynamics by associating it with the EF.
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a5ad7c No.651250
>>651245
That big cockpit CRT alone makes her the best Eurocanard.
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819d61 No.651301
>>651245
rafale tries to do lifting body with a single engine, and its a much more modern design. typhoon is a design from the 70s and 80s that russians with their shit computers at the time played with (mig1.44). but its still lacking a tail and has all the downsides of a delta.
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f5aac8 No.651362
>>651245
>>651301
This. The Rafale is a much more sophisticated airframe. The typhoon is aerodynamically just a delta F-16 with canards instead of LERXs.
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f16691 No.651385
>>651250
damn that's cool as shit. Is it still a CRT in new models?
>>650784
IT hurts me deeply that all supposed replacements for the f111 are worse at the stated aim.
F15 SE and f18 (super and legacy) have less capacity and range than f111 variants.
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f5aac8 No.651387
>>651385
Blame the end of Cold War rendering medium range bombers a gross redundancy.
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068950 No.651394
>>651303
Go post it on 4chan then.
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88bed6 No.651494
>>647471
>coaxial rotor
It's like a physical manifestation of obsessive-compulsive disorder.
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d7000c No.651497
>>651250
>>651385
Not CRT but a display that is collimated to infinity. It allows pilot to shift their view from HUD or outside to that tactical display and back without refocusing their eyes.
The easiest way you can demo this yourself is to go to a window and hold up your hand in front of you, look at something at the distance and then at your hand and then back to distance. Keep repeating that quickly and notice not only how strained your eyes get but it actually takes a noticeable time to focus. Then try picking two objects at the distance and swap your view between them, much more comfier that way. Imagine for example being in a fighterjet in a situation where you need to keep your focus and eyes out but also need to keep tabs on overall tactical situation that is shown on your display, with a traditional display setup or "modern" widescreen touchdisplay pilots performance quickly deteriorates just from the eye strain alone to them staring either or for long periods at a time. With collimated to infinity display the pilot could easily keep a 3s out 1s peek at display loop going on for as long as needed
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a5ad7c No.651500
>>651497
Interesting. Why isn't this more widespread among fighter aircraft cockpit designs?
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733e70 No.651622
>>645831
>1.36 thrust to weight
IT COULD HAVE BEEN A SPACE PLANE WITH A ROCKET POD THE SIZE OF A FUEL TANK
I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THE JEWS FOR PICKING THE 22 OVER THE 23
At least the AF museum is restoring the gray ghost.
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3c91a4 No.651974
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What's good about Mirages? Sell me on it, frenchies!
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723b78 No.651985
>>651974
>solid and maneuverable 4th gen fighters with solid 4.5gen upgrades
>faster than most other combat jets in service
>lower maintenance cost than the even F-16
>so easy in maintenance even sandniggers can do it
>almost as proven against roaches as Raid
Other than those, there's not point in purchasing new ones now since Dassault has put all their focus in keeping Rafale afloat.
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ffe20d No.654810
My plane-fu is a /k/-plane with no guns.
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676ddf No.654817
Do you know anyone who uses the seaplane to fly around the world and live in it as a permanent home?
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068950 No.654880
>>654810
It's like the most smug airplane design in history. Flaunting a fat, expensive ass in front of and directly above soviet airspace, and yet they can't touch. All the soviets could do was helplessly admit their impotence and accept that there were planes penetrating their airspace and taking pictures of their bases daily.
>>654817
First pic related. Born and raised in India, has adopted one child, then married and fathered another. then bought a sea plane (second pic) and started an international airfreight company. He is raid to be an adequate singer too.
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63dfdb No.654882
>>643401
>>650204
>>650524
>>650698
These guys know the fancy stuff.
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9b92eb No.654899
>>650969
><acting as an airplane brake in maneuvers
Airbrakes are completely obsolete, planes with FBW can use their aerodynamic surfaces instead for rapid deceleration amd still perform the intended maneuver adequately. .
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f53ccf No.654930
>>654880
Careful now, (((France))) is going to show up and tell you about how the soviets actually shot down 30 of them with their dead skies S-600000 missiles and they were retired because of that.
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63d75d No.654935
>>644198
IL-10. The reason the Luftwaffe had several aces with over 300 air-to-air kills and dozens of guys in the "100 Club".
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63d75d No.654936
If I was buying jets to today I guess I'd go with 33% Rafael and 66% Su-25 by number of planes.
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3a40e4 No.657685
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>>650909
Gripen is the swedish girl next door that's easy….
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bbf3d2 No.657711
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0b06f7 No.658153
>>644404
>tfw ywn dogfight a F-35 in a biplane and force a maneuver kill when it pancakes trying to outturn you below its stall speed
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584c91 No.658165
>>658153
Don't forget than a wood-and-canvas biplane should be a lot more stealthy, because it has barely any parts that can reflect radar waves.
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cdda08 No.658198
>>643660
I think you could do the job with a few photodiodes and a spinning mirror. If you know the angle of the mirror when a diode is illuminated then you could work out roughly where the laser is coming from.
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a82062 No.658225
>>658165
I'm awaiting the day some Guido throws grenades from a plane at people again.
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95827a No.658418
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95827a No.658420
>>654882
>1st pic
gives me feelings I normally experience when touching a sexy woman
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351d11 No.658423
>>650107
Sky crawlers, because someone is gonna ask.
Where are all the old girls at? SE.5a is a cute.
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122831 No.658991
>>651974
>What's good about Mirages?
It's the AK of light fighters.
It's cheap, durable, versatile, easy to use, easy to maintain, it has multiple options for modernization, kits and ammo packages that makes it a real multi-role.
In capable hands it's a very potent platform and the low cost/low maintenance means you can rack up flight hours even on a budget to get the capables hands.
If you don't have a special Washington/Moscow cocksucking discount it's the best ratio quality/price/capabilities you will find.
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f189b1 No.659217
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8508a0 No.659454
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122831 No.659459
>>654930
Careful now or the ameritard is gonna make you believe those plane ever flew over the soviet union.
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c17806 No.659855
>>659459
SR71 were flying over Kola and Vladivostok all the fucking time, Frog.
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63d75d No.666757
>>644615
should have covers on the spares, just saying, for truely finished look.
plus, chicks can perch themselves on the covered spares to pose without tire-black rubbing off on their clothes.
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0587e6 No.667067
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dc5666 No.667073
>>667067
>1st pic
Why are its engines naked?
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0587e6 No.667076
>>667073
May be tanned or old
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fb7a3b No.669363
>>643359
>Su-34
Perfect.
Mine is the F8 Crusader.
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fb7a3b No.669364
>>647719
>Brutality has a beauty on its own.
I concur.
>Foxbat
>Foxhound
Top-tier tbqh.
I wish that they would continue this line though.
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2e18bc No.669377
>>669363
Not bad flipbro. I think the Su-37 and F-15E Strike Eagle are my favorites though.
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b5c395 No.669388
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b46582 No.669409
>>659855
>SR71 were flying over Kola and Vladivostok all the fucking time, Frog.
No they weren't. They were skimming the border at best, typically not even that and using the stupid high altitude angles to take photos of the ports. They were in the soviet ADIZ, and getting chased but they were extremely careful as to not cross into soviet territory, and stay over international waters (as they would be fired upon the second they crossed). It's why they had SIDE LOOKING instruments. They might have crossed it on some occasions in places that you can do so in an instant at that speed (sakhaline and cie) but typically they just didn't.
And once the MiG-31/SA-10 came online they never got within a 60 to 70 miles of the border without getting locked.
(As for detection the soviet PVO knew they were coming HOURS before, since they just monitored what the tankers were doing instead of looking for the smaller stealthier plane constantly planes. Something the US has just figure out… and is finally making smaller and stealthier tankers).
Which is why they were retired… because they costed a lot and provided nothing the ONI, NRO and the CIA couldn't get other ways. So once the "blackbird mafia" which was a thing, as recon pilots were, decorated, promoted higher and more often than the others, retired from the USAF the whole thing was promptly and JUSTLY shut down.
"It never was shotdown" is fucking propaganda because as far as anyone can tell, it never was fired upon either as it stayed safely over international waters.
Because flying inside the soviet union borders stopped with the introduction of the SA-2, the shot down of the U2 and Khrushchev humiliating the US politicians in front of everyone (Khrushchev purposely let the US react first which they did by doing what they always do: covering it up. They pretending the U-2 was a NASA "weather plane" doing research lost over Turkey, with a famous photo of the U-2 in NASA color, then the USSR stated "Oh yeah we did shot something some days ago". So the US went in instant outrage mode "How dare you shoot our civilians scientists!!", then Khrushchev went to the UN and said "Oh yeah, we did shot it down… but he's not dead and he's certainly not saying he's a scientist nor does the plane, which we also have most of it, is a science plane". Eisenhower almost resigned over it).
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9b9915 No.669422
>>669409
So is any proof of what you are saying or is this just another murican weak Soviet strong shit?
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f7cabc No.669424
>>669422
So is any proof of what you are saying or is this just another soviet weak murican strong shit?
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b46582 No.669509
>>669422
The most basic internet search (aka wiki) on the SR-71 equipment will tell you it had bays for the same equipment on both sides of the plane and that it's ground radar is a SIDE LOOKING radar, contrary to down/front looking radar you would have on a regular plane.
That way you planed the loop you wanted to do, mounted the gear on the port/starboard side of the plane so that it was on the exterior side of the loop. And then they would tilt the plane to the proper angle to get the shots (though it distort the image a bit).
The usefulness of such thing is completely dubious, especially when the NRO satellites were giving similar quality images, to much better ones. And once they had real time image satellites (1976) there was literally no use whatsoever for them.
The thing was the Lamborghini of the USAF, as pilots are all "rich kids-type" dickheads that want the "best aircraft", the one that can flight faster and higher than anyone else.
Except theirs was payed by the State instead of Dad's money.
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db7b06 No.669529
>>669509
It had side-looking radar so it could take pictures of targets protected by high-altitude SAMs. Every recon aircraft since the U-2 has this capability, the only planes using downward-looking sensors are strike fighters that don't have room for anything better and subsonic patrol planes that aren't likely to get shot at in the first place and need the extra resolution (and even those generally have provisions for side-looking sensors to compensate for the downward-looking sensor's narrow field of view).
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0a48ff No.669535
>>669509
The existence of side view cameras of SR-71 doesn't prove anything you just said though.
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b46582 No.669543
>>669535
>>669529
Well keep believing that a Mach 3 plane could "outrun enemy missiles" flying at least to Mach 4 that were shooting down Mach 3 targets all day every day.
Or better yet find a source saying they DID flew over the soviet union.
Because I guarantee you you won't find any.
Because they never did.
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0a48ff No.669552
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b46582 No.669604
>>669552
That's probably real it's Sweden if they don't give out medals for imaginary reason they wouldn't have given any in the last 200 years, but if you read it they state specifically that the planes never went to soviet airspace.
The rest is the healthy paranoia brought on by the fact that in 50's mostly, the soviet did shoot down a lot of USAF recon plane OUTSIDE their airspace. Since they couldn't intercept the U2s and their predecessors, the RB-57, they settled for shooting any recon/ELINT plane coming near them.
After Powers' U2 was shot down, the US stopped their overhead fly of the USSR. And in turn the USSR stopped shooting US recon plane on sight, with the last one (a RB-47H) being shot down a month latter over the Barents Sea.
It's also why the blackbird mafia existed, they were promoted and decorated more because it really was a dangerous job, the USAF probably lost around a hundred of crewmen to soviet interceptions (let alone commies interception since NK, China, East-Germany, etc… did the same)… but it stopped to be past 1960, long before the SR-71 came along.
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0a48ff No.669677
>>669604
This is pretty much Soviet airspace:
>Back then, SR-71 Blackbirds based at RAF Mildenhall in the United Kingdom flew weekly missions out over the Baltic Sea, toward Soviet bases in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and Kaliningrad. The SR-71s flew a loop that took them across the length of the Baltic States, then back around and in between the Swedish mainland and the island of Gotland.
I think the idea of Soviet SAM is overrated anyhow, Hanoi was bombed to shit by fucking B52, despite millions of SAM supplied by soviet and chinks.
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12f25e No.669687
>>669677
Ok so you don't know what "airspace" means.
Why do I bother…
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0a48ff No.669707
>>669687
https://www.quora.com/When-did-the-SR-71-make-its-first-flight-over-the-USSR-and-how-deep-into-Soviet-territory-did-it-go
Never mind, you are right.
Officially, they are just skirting over Soviet border.
But I don't see the difference tbh considering SR-71 flew over North Vietnam.
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ac29df No.686771
>>643392
I'm sorry but your wrong. The F16 and F15 can do everything the F20 can do. also the F15 can do it better.
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481d6e No.686937
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>>669707
SA-2 was the most modern SAM gooks had.
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3861b9 No.686940
>>686771
>The F16 can do everything the F20 can do.
Can it do it cheaper?
>also the F16 can do it better.
No it can't.
F-15 is an unfair comparison to F-20, don't be a jackass. Might as well say B-1B is superior to F-15 because it can carry more bombs.
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9cb6f9 No.687016
>>686940
>spoiler
Don't give them ideas.
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481d6e No.687095
>>687016
The B-1R is a legit idea.
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db7b06 No.687128
>>686937
You say that like the S-75 wasn't a huge threat to every other US aircraft at the time. We didn't develop effective SEAD or airborne jammers until around 1970, during that period the Blackbird was basically our only source of aerial recon for much of North Vietnam.
They also flew over Libya and North Korea, where they were routinely engaged by S-200s and MiG-25s (to no effect). Part of this is durka/nork incompetence obviously, but even on paper either of these would have struggled to intercept something so high and fast
The only weapons that could actually pose a real threat to Blackbirds were the S-300 and MiG-31, which weren't exported at all until long after the Blackbird was retired.
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481d6e No.687196
>>687128
The S-75 was a huge threat for high altitude heavy bombers, for a maneuverable target like a Phantom or Thunderchief it was a moderate threat and the main reason the dvina kicked so much yank ass was because it was greatly underestimated due to initial bad use by the gooks and because of the trees speaking secondary point defense anti-air making wild weasing really risky.
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660b91 No.687205
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660b91 No.687207
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660b91 No.687208
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c18ccd No.687239
>>654880
>It's like the most smug airplane design in history. Flaunting a fat, expensive ass in front of and directly above soviet airspace, and yet they can't touch.
Lewd as fuck, tbh.
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3861b9 No.687277
>>687196
>s-75 was
>was
it knocked down f117a plane stealthier than f35…. dont say 'was' until theyre all gone and no one is making them anymore.
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e8c44a No.687285
>>645811
In theory, yes.
The Su-34 has a "everything" radar. Ground avoidance, ground targeting, sea targeting, long range air radar as it's meant to be, well, the F-111 "done right" (well the late variants of the F-111 were ok). Long range air patrol, naval and ground strikes are it's job.
That might account for the design change.
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16f4cd No.687289
>>687277
>and no one is making them anymore
Leafanon I… no one is making them anymore except for the Chinese but these don't count, chinks also make their warheads by traditional chinese medicine blackpowder.
>>687277
>it knocked down f117a plane stealthier than f35
I specifically mentioned that they are a threat to aircraft that can't maneuver. You can't base your whole air-defense network on a 60 years old missile just in hope that Lockheeb will be able to kike the international market enough to force people buy the F-35.
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3e489e No.687291
>august 2018
>ministry of defense claims that they will announce a replacement for the Tornado before Christmas 2018
>august 2019
>still no announcement
>not even a plan or competition
>only new development going on is set to replace the Typhoon sometime in the next decades
Enjoy some transports while our airforce is slowly withering away.
>>669707
>quora as a source
Jesus Christ, have mercy.
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3e489e No.687292
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3e489e No.687294
And some not-nordic vikings.
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e8c44a No.687317
>>687291
The replacement is Dassault SCAF, they will prolong the typhoons and replace both.
Minister that made the buzz around the announcement wanted to announced the F-35 as a replacement and was given the boot 2 weeks before the date.
It might have been the only sane decision Merkel ever took.
Real problem are the A-400 clusterfuck and the CH-53 replacement (which frankly airbus helicopter should just acquire a full license to make them as there is no alternative and they're actually better than anything else on the market).
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16f4cd No.687318
>>687317
>It might have been the only sane decision Merkel ever took
Thankfully in her mind Murka is still a White-majority capitalist imperialist superpower.
>pic
>Dassault falling for the stealth maymay
Oh no.. oh nonononono….
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3e93ef No.687319
>>687318
Stealth? oh no no, friend. It has nothing to do with stealth, it is merely the new age style.
If you look closely there is a clear distinction between aircraft generations, from cloth wings, to props, to jets, to high tech jets. Now we are entering a re-cycle age, where things are simplified and streamlined. Add some dakka onto it and you have the new age dogfighter.
I mean we're still using 40-50 year old aircraft, it's time for something new. Give it time, in another 100 years all fighter craft will be triangles and will hardly resemble the jet of today. Your picture is just the jet of tomorrow :^)
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f30824 No.687418
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Cheney killed funding for the F-14 Tomcat. What a dick.
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16f4cd No.687425
>>687418
Please use all relevant info to bump my shit thread.
>>685871
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3e489e No.687553
>>687317
The replacement for the tornado hasn't been announced yet, and von der Leiden didn't "get the boot", she was promoted into an important position in the EU with a salary three to four times higher than her current one.
Her replacement is the woman who was recently voted as leader of Merkel's party. The position she got is known as the ejection seat of politics, because there is barely a politician who got it and managed to retire without a scandal or two.
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4b1a01 No.687563
>>643452
Privet, eta enjineer.
I haven't read it yet but you might find it interesting.
https://ufile.io/v9fgsdh3
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e8c44a No.687609
>>687553
>she was promoted into an important position in the EU with a salary three to four times higher than her current one.
And that's exactly the only way you can get rid of US shills in EU countries.
You can't actually fire them (let alone prosecute them for "intelligence with a foreign power" AKA treason), the only they can go is up and sideways, outside any actual decision process.
All EU presidents have always been US shills one more isn't hurting anyone (more than usual) and defense are still in hands of national countries and it's a job she couldn't say no to.
Now of course her presidency will focus on removing defense purview from EU nations, but they've been trying for decades and no general anywhere in the EU wants to hear about it, actually elected politicians know it's a terribly unpopular idea and the US generals too as all those cushy jobs in NATO would become largely irrelevant so they're using they're clout to say "EU defense means less NATO cooperation" every opportunity they get.
Again when I'm telling you it's the only smart decision Merkel ever took, I mean it. It's clearly calculated.
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f13f59 No.688678
Old love doesnt rust. Cant wait for the good old times to return.
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