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There's no discharge in the war!

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383b82 No.637768 [Last50 Posts]

Hello /k/ ive noticed that we dont have a medic thread. So post anything relating to medical stuff here.

(pdfs, images, history, etc)

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8de190 No.637771

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8de190 No.637774

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8de190 No.637775

File: 494c83bc1308ecb⋯.pdf (1.76 MB,US ARMY IS-0825 medical co….pdf)

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8de190 No.637776

File: b027b85a0ac229c⋯.pdf (427.42 KB,A survivals Doctors guide ….pdf)

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8de190 No.637781

File: 4c7ba81ab51a63e⋯.pdf (7.71 MB,Gunshot Wounds - Practical….pdf)

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867c7a No.637856

>>637774

>what is a shallow water blackout

Jesus. I haven't bothered to read all of these after noticing that you can get killed following some of the advice.

>wikihow to treat a bullet wound

<almost entirely incorrect.

-t. surgeon

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d545e7 No.637868

>>637856

Well shit man, how do you remove a bullet then? Also since you're a surgeon should I buy a practice suture kit like on amazon or are they shit?

https://www.amazon.com/Suture-Practice-Kit-Suturing-Training/dp/B07HLWWD23/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1546428529&sr=8-9&keywords=suturing+kit

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867c7a No.637872

>>637868

>Well shit man, how do you remove a bullet then?

You don't.

>should I buy a practice suture kit

No. Don't suture wounds.

Strelok efforts should be based on trauma stabilization, first aid, and controlling hemorrhage. I recommend you all find and attend a Stop the Bleed class (many of them are free) where you can learn those skills and practice on yourself with a real tourniquet. Learn CPR too.

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17fa49 No.637874

Just seeing up a deep wound is just asking for infection, leave it open and let it drain, if you have the know-how you can pack it with gauze and change it and flush it with sterile water daily.

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78fb35 No.637876

File: c1df213d7cb48a6⋯.jpg (99.3 KB,581x604,581:604,kat.jpg)

Here's a really interesting channel, if you can stomach watching a bunch of videos of grown men screaming in pure agony

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYtA_hsFG9u-zQ1bNUqDWow/videos

Mostly pertains to first aid soon after combat wounds.

Anyways I've always thought that it's kinda neat how the body heals itself. A while back I got some pretty bad road rash to the point where there were black skid marks and you could see gray tissue in the wound. Just the way the scab formed, and then how the tissue underneath turned to this odd yogurt-looking stuff, etc. etc. and now half a year later there's only a faint scar.

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b4235f No.637877

Botanics expert here, tought I'd post since I think my skills might help one of you

Here's a pretty basic recipe

-4 or 5 crushed cloves of garlic

-a few sprigs of usnea

-ginger powder

-any sort of strong pepper, doesn't matter what type

-3 cups of either strong alcohol or olive oil

This makes a good amount of antibacterial/fungal solution, if you get sick or get an infection just chug this stuff

>>637771

Why the fuck would a /k/commando ever need to deal with menstrual cramps

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d545e7 No.637881

>>637877 (checked)

>Why the fuck would a /k/commando ever need to deal with menstrual cramps

First Femcorps, waifu division?

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b4235f No.637887

And here's some more recipes

Burn healing paste

-a leave's worth of aloe gel

-a tablespoon of pure natural honey, none of that added sugar American stuff

-mashed up mint leaves, a handful

Mix them so it forms a very light putty or paste it whatever, apply and cover with a light bandage

Cut healing paste

-a leave's worth of aloe gel

-2 to 3 tablespoons of sugar

Crush the aloe between your fingers, trying to work the sugar into it

Apply to any bandages you put on a wound, change regularly

>>637881

Fair enough

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867c7a No.637888

>>637874

Do what the leaf says unless you have actual medical training. It's not like the movies. We all mock the movies when they show 9mm sending people flying across the room. Why is it so surprising that their "medical therapy" is totally fake too?

I'm not telling you faggots not to suture wounds because I'm afraid of losing post-apocalyptic job security, but rather because people don't understand that, to a first approximation, the main reason we suture wounds closed is to make a pretty scar. If there is any chance of the wound being contaminated, or still having any ongoing bleeding, we don't close. If we closed a contaminated or bleeding wound, we have to reopen it.

Any wound you faggots would be able to manage would be a wound you should let heal by secondary intention.

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4fbf9a No.638061

>>637888

Trips of truth.

There is a reason that doctors require a degree. Human beings are complex machines and messing with one requires a lot of training and experience.

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867c7a No.638077

>>638061

Yes. When streloks talk about treating bullet wounds I imagine the scene from the 2006 film, Babel, where they find a vet to suture the woman's bleeding rifle wound closed "to stop the blood loss". Yeah, no, that's not how this works at all. Tourniquet (if applicable) or direct pressure, like you will learn in Stop the Bleed. "Direct pressure" does not mean what you learned in boy scouts, either.

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d1ff83 No.646942

>>637768

drink water, take motrin, change your socks

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27c179 No.646960

>>637790

sounds like a traitor to me, if anyone found his pipe, please burn it

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d67bd8 No.647049

File: b3ec7264ad70f12⋯.pdf (8.28 MB,where there is no doctor_w….pdf)

Step aside n00bs.

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d67bd8 No.647057

File: 94ecaf5162bf743⋯.pdf (2.72 MB,Stitches_Sutures_ETHICON_W….pdf)

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The rest of the medical stuff I have is too big to post, and I got it from b-ok.org anyway.

But seriously, if SHTF for real, either get a real doctor and pay them with gold and all the pussy they want, or pray like mad and be grateful humans heal more efficiently than any other animal, even if the scars are awful to look at.

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d67bd8 No.647059

Other pages with some good medical stuff, once you dig through it:

https://grandpappy.org/index.htm

and

https://www.pssurvival.com/

Also try to find copies of older manuals made before modern antibiotics, which are probably more useful than most current ones in a post-apocalyptic-type scenario, because you'll have little in the way of working modern technology left after a short while.

If any of you can manage to get the help of a chemist and produce Sulfonamide antibiotics aka Sulfonamidochrysoidine (Prontosil), as well as streptomycin, chloramphenicol, and tetracycline, you're going to be rolling in dough after SHTF.

Otherwise, use honey on wounds, and piss on your feet to stop from getting fungal infections there.

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c7f50c No.651779

Some medic books here

>>>/pol/12635981

>>>/pol/12635989

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51c36d No.651784

Medics are the healsluts of soldiers

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3b08b5 No.651912

>>637790

>my grandpa bombed his relatives for ZOG

sounds like a real stand-up guy

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f2be16 No.655228

File: 94b48724dfb203f⋯.png (465.67 KB,517x691,517:691,1552270357639.png)

What essential supplies should someone collect to prepare for 5 years of SHTF?

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fc1774 No.655250

How do you deal with blood transfusions during the apocalype? People suffering from blood loss will have problems with getting the donated bloods.

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7558cd No.655254

>>655250

You don't. You either get lucky or you die.

t.guy who lives somewhere if you get shot you're a fucking dead man.

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fc1774 No.655282

>>655254

That sucks. I thought about getting my blood stored in my refrigerators.

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7558cd No.655294

>>655282

You'd have about ~40 days before it expires. Blood doesn't last long outside the body and it has to be constantly monitored or it just goes bad. I wonder where all that expired blood gets dumped now that I think about it.

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8f45f0 No.655298

>>637771

>Cilantro for removing heavy metals

Eating enough cilantro to remove mercury from your body will also de-calcify your bones/prevent iron/calcium ingestion. There's a reason you're not supposed to feed it to box turtles and other small animals.

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8f45f0 No.655302

>>637774

>How to perform a tracheotomy

That seems like a quick way to kill someone. They specifically teach you NOT to do this kind of shit in CPR/First Aid training since not even a fucking EMT should be doing this kind of shit.

>Healing bullet wounds

Maybe if you got shot by .22LR or 9mm that would work, but anything heavier and you'll probably need a tourniquet at bare minimum to deal with that shit. I imagine removing any standard rifle round from your innards is a good way to bleed to death since you can't apply pressure properly to a wound that deep/large.

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fc1774 No.655306

>>655294

>expired blood gets dumped now that I think about it.

You spent the chill down my spine. I hope they don’t sell the expired bloods to the desperate people.

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fc1774 No.655308

>>655306

>spent

That is a typo for send.

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8f45f0 No.655309

>>655294

Most blood isn't stored as blood, it's stored as blood plasma since you can freeze blood plasma and forget about it. These days most of the times when they're giving you blood, they're actually just giving you the fluids that help blood move throughout your body and hoping that your remaining blood cells are capable of transferring enough oxygen to your brain to send signals to ramp up actual blood cell production. Imagine your blood is alcohol (blood) and water (blood plasma) and an open wound is a bunsen burner. You're diluting it with water as the bunsen burner tries to boil everything to make it look like it's still 45/55 ratio of blood-to-plasma to your dad (hemorrhagic shock) while your friend (the brain) goes off to get another bottle of vodka and the medic tries to shut off the gas valve.

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7558cd No.655316

>>655306

I got a feeling it goes in the incinerator.

>>655309

The wife was telling me red blood cells don't last that long and a quick look found this. https://transfusion.com.au/blood_products/storage/storage_temperature_range

Medical stuff isn't exactly my expertise, I guess I'll have to look into this shit a bit more.

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979e8c No.655331

>>655316

>I got a feeling it goes in the incinerator.

Not everyone will do that. Some of them are evil.

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c54182 No.662363

>>655302

>>655302

>That seems like a quick way to kill someone

they'd already be dying dipshit

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332117 No.662382

>>655302

I mean, if someone has been neck shot or similar and their airways and lungs are filling up with blood, it's not like they're going to live past the next minutes without immediate intervention. Even if it had a, random number, 20% success rate, that's a lot more than the 0% if you did nothing.

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2fc222 No.662394

File: 16b3614c51263fd⋯.jpg (107.72 KB,746x509,746:509,ENOUGH.jpg)

>>662363

You can go perform your tracheotomy on someone and get arrested on manslaughter charges when you got them killed due to not knowing what the fuck you're doing and following internet infographics, anon.

>>662382

>20% success rate

Even with CPR, someone dying of a heart attack is only likely to survive (post-hospice) like 10% of the time. Before you perform any medical procedure, you're supposed to ask yourself if you're going to cause more harm than good by doing something. For fuck's sake, have none of you faggots taken at least a basic community first aid/CPR class?

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2fc222 No.662395

>>662394

Point being, anything more advanced than a tourniquet, stitches, or giving someone epinephrine, and you should be leaving it to your dedicated medic (unless you ARE the dedicated medic and have trained yourself accordingly). The human body can recover from hella lot of shit in most scenarios and it's good intentions that get people killed.

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2fc222 No.662519

>Someone dying of a heart attack

In retrospect I got angry and said something extremely retarded. The only thing you should/can do for someone having a heart attack is give them aspirin in most cases. I was thinking of sudden cardiac arrest, which is not the same thing.

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73f5bb No.665197

>>637877

Do I need to boil it, or do I just throw it all into a blender and drink it cold?

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332117 No.665360

>>662394

I will reiterate, if you have positively identified your buddy as being shot in the neck, you can either A: Do nothing, and he will die 100% of the time. Or B: Attempt tracheotomy.

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6e7e60 No.665449

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>>665360

I will reiterate, if you're dumb enough to carry around a tracheal tube and attempt this, you will kill your buddy 100% of the time unless you're professionally trained to perform a tracheotomy, even though 97% of the time your friend will be dead whether you perform it or not with that slim 3% chance that a medic will show up before then (and if you don't have a medic and none of you have medical training of any sort, you're an idiot). If you want to justify carrying around an endotracheal tube and relevant materials, that's your own business and you can have your 90% chance of killing your buddy in the process because you aren't fucking trained to do it, but you will kill your buddy 100% of the time if you perform a tracheotomy without the medical knowledge associated with it, you dumb motherfucker.

If you have no training, do not play field medic as you will get someone fucking killed.

The human body is capable enough of repairing itself and healing even gruesome wounds, and in the case of a neck injury, your "buddy" is already dead 97% of the time before you can even attempt to do anything like a dumb fucking nigger. Idiots like you are why hundreds if not thousands of people end up dead every year because some god damned retard thought he could play surgeon based on some fucking internet pictures he found. How about you go make some fucking homemade "glowsticks" out of chlorine tablets and 99% Isopropyl alcohol while you're at it too, you fucking twit.

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c01059 No.665608

File: 3c6487c8e7cb58b⋯.pdf (312.17 KB,opium.pdf)

File: 85bc7714f0ad41c⋯.pdf (2.84 MB,cannabis_cultivation17_ult….pdf)

>>655228

1) Antibiotics

2) Pain pills (strong stuff like opiates, Advil/Tylenol aren't good for broken bones and bullet wounds. Although they can help aches and pains.)

3) Bandaging (including sutures)

4) First-Aid books

5) Bible.

Everything else is a waste of time and resources. You're not gonna be curing people with parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme. Those 5 things can fix 99% of everything you'll come across. Just make sure you don't accidentally hook people on pain pills. In a WROL scenario, consider growing weed and opium for medicinal use.

And if anyone has information on how to manufacture mid-to-high quality antibiotics at home, please post PDFs with step-by-step instructions on how to grow and refine these materials. I've heard fermented garlic and honey has medical properties, but haven't seen any evidence to back it up.

Patient sick for more than 2 weeks? That means it's bacterial and not viral, give them antibiotics.

Patient stabbed? Clean the wound thoroughly, stitch it (or don't depending) rub honey all over it, and give them a weeks worth of pain pills (or don't depending.) Give them antibiotics only if it gets infected.

Patient depressed? (Which WILL be common.) Tell them to wake up early, exercise regularly, eat more meat and veg and less starch and grain, then give them a bible and tell them God loves them. Have them focus on the "have faith" parts and not the "Sinners will burn" parts. Curing depression with meds is a rabbit hole that even billion dollar pharmaceutical industries can't navigate. Jesus and lifestyle changes are the best thing we can give them in that scenario. Remember, men like to feel useful, women like to feel wanted. Marijuana MAY help, but only if you get the marijuana growing process down, if you don't have weed coming out your ears, ration it to people in more need. You may be tempted to give opiates to depressed patients… DON'T DO THAT ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED! It'll only make things worse in the long run.

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a3fe63 No.665632

So ive been hearing that if you wear two socks at the same time that it prevents blisters? Is this true or is it complete mumbo jumbo?

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d4a093 No.665636

File: 4d6e980d561373b⋯.webm (1.13 MB,640x360,16:9,mazurek herringtona.webm)

>>665632

that or very thick socks. when your foot cannot move around boot it wont be scrapped by the leather of the boots. sometimes works, sometimes not, sometimes makes things worse

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73f5bb No.665643

>>665608

>I've heard fermented garlic and honey has medical properties

Don't know much about garlic, but honey is great for wounds. It's anti-bacterial so it prevents infection (you can apply it even on an infected wound), it keeps the wound moist, and prevents shit from entering it. It makes wounds heal faster than normal, helps with infection, helps with burns, and can even reduce final scarring. Best rubbed onto gauze, which should the be applied as normal and changed regularly. Honey actually works so well that it has been used in this manner for thousands of years.

Careful, though. Different honeys have very different properties - some may only be very mildly anti-bacterial, others may have contaminants, etc. Ideally, you should use medical-grade honey which has been pre-sterilised and has a very high anti-bacterial property. If you do not have that, table honey may be used, but you can't be sure about how effective it'll actually be and you might even introduce contaminants.

If you manage to have some hives to produce honey, and you're lucky enough to get them to produce the right kind of honey, you will have a steady supply of a strong, multipurpose anti-bacterial agent. If you are not lucky, you'll at least have something delicious to sweeten your food.

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1fb632 No.665879

File: 26b048a50a94c26⋯.gif (546.88 KB,304x280,38:35,1532482660564.gif)

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86fc80 No.665888

>>665643

>sterilize it

To destroy all the beneficial enzymes? It's naturally anti-bacterial and will kill anything that contaminates it

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c01059 No.665896

>>665632

Whoever told you that is retarded. The answer is to stock-up on mole-skin while you can and use it as padding on blister hot-zone. Do you always get a blister under your little toe? Walk until you start to feel the burn, then put some mole-skin there. A little bit of abuse will strengthen your skin, and that's good, but do everything in your power to prevent actual blisters from forming. In a shtf scenario, if that blister pops and gets infected you could lose your fucking foot. Granted that's a worst case scenario, but it's still better to slowly and carefully add calluses. Yes I'm aware that's not how you're "supposed" to use mole-skin, but it works

>>665643

Thanks, but honey is only useful for treating wounds (at least I think.) I was referring to oral antibiotics. Like penicillin or tetracycline.

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fa77fa No.665913

>>637790

The only reason the allies got planes capable of fighting the germans was because a half jew hand delivered a plane to them. Fucking traitors.

>>637872

Isn't CPR incredibly ineffective? Like it's a miracle if it works at all?

What's some good natural pain reliefs? Getting tired and sore is a real issue and having some self grown pain relief would do you well if you start getting joint pain or headaches as you get older.

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d4a093 No.665921

>>665896

>The answer is to stock-up on mole-skin while you can and use it as padding on blister hot-zone.

no, the answer is to get boots that are comfy and getting used to wearing them

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73f5bb No.665922

>>665888

The issue is not all honey is as antibacterial as we'd like.

>>665896

>Thanks, but honey is only useful for treating wounds (at least I think.) I was referring to oral antibiotics. Like penicillin or tetracycline.

Yeah, honey won't help you here except for a small relief for throat infections.

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e1e840 No.666003

>>665913

CPR increases the chances of surviving cardiac arrest until medics show up from 7% to about 18%, so it's incredibly effective. You have to keep in mind that all CPR is, is manually pumping blood to the brain so the person doesn't get brain death from lack of oxygen. It isn't actually solving the problem, it's just preventing a bigger obstacle.

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5fb684 No.666068

>>665449

>someone is near death

>don't even ATTEMPT to do anything, twit!

You're the kind of faggot EMTs hate.

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2d89ca No.666194

>>665449

>get your phone out and videotape it

this is why america is fucked

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8a8863 No.666199

File: ec45ad9043d8ed6⋯.png (136.08 KB,1130x900,113:90,ec45ad9043d8ed625c6e32f8c2….png)

>>666194

I'm assuming you meant to reply to >>637876

>>666068

No you nigger, the EMTs would agree with me. 911 dispatch would never authorize you or advise you to perform a tracheotomy. No doctor, medic, EMT, etc. would advise you to perform a tracheotomy because you'd likely kill the person in question. Even if you're successful, your botched surgery likely only extended his lifespan for a couple minutes, maybe days in which he'll die from a horrible infection or internal bleeding from your botched job because you don't fucking know what you're doing, causing him to suffer a far more painful and humiliating death than having been shot in the fucking throat. I even provided your dumb ass with a workaround that might accomplish the same fucking thing without you risking slitting someone's throat for shits and giggles thinking you're Doctor House MD, and instead you're putting words in my mouth like a fucking ASS. Go deepthroat a cactus or better yet, prove your fucking medical knowledge by shooting yourself in the throat on livestream and performing a tracheotomy on yourself, faggot.

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8a8863 No.666201

File: dd4444a9f5f9145⋯.png (56.82 KB,188x264,47:66,d99aa2e1798b44725c43dec53e….png)

>>666199

For Christ's sake, just stick to basic community first aid and things like >>665608 instead of getting someone killed /k/.

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acca84 No.666205

>>665921

>get boots that are comfy and getting used to wearing them

That works for you, but I was assuming we were talking about taking care of someone else. If it's shtf and someone doesn't have good shoes, then going to the store and getting some nice new boots probably isn't going to be an option. If getting good boots is an option, yeah, do that, if not, do what I said.

>>666199

>>666201

It depends on the scenario. If you're in the woods and even a helicopter is over an hour away. Then trying a tracheotomy took your friend from a 0% chance to 0.1% chance. If you just got in a car wreck and help is already on the way, then don't pretend you're Action-Man and stay calm, odds are you'll do more harm than good.

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63ab9c No.666297

>>666205

You're still assuming a 0% chance and that your actions won't lower the percentage further. Or that your situation, which is even less likely than your friend getting shot in the neck during a firefight and surviving long enough for you to cut a hole in his throat/patch up a wound around the hole in his throat you're using makeshift, is feasibly possible. This isn't argumentum ad absurdum, but even if it was, an endotracheal tube is still a more valid option.

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acca84 No.666465

>>666297

>an endotracheal tube is still a more valid option.

No shit sherlock, but what if you don't happen to have one lying around? If I could pull a surgeon out of my backpack and have him take care of it instead I would do that. But no matter how well you think you've prepared there's always SOMETHING you're going to miss. If you pack an endotracheal tube in your first aid kit, good on you, but I'm talking about an absolute worst case scenario. You're hours from civilization, your friend fell and jacked his neck up and now he can't breath, and you don't happen to have an endotracheal tube just lying around. In that scenario then an emergency tracheotomy makes sense. I agree that if an ambulance is already on the way then stabbing your friend in the throat is one of the most retarded things you could do, but if there isn't help coming, and he can't breath, then a tracheotomy could be the difference between life and death.

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321248 No.666514

File: ad4fd516c788ccf⋯.jpg (68 KB,760x570,4:3,ad4fd516c788ccf32903df5064….jpg)

>>666465

>Doesn't have an endotracheal tube in his med pack while innawoods

>For some reason has a straw and/or ballpoint pen

>And his friend has fallen and fucked their neck in the perfect way to require anon's redneck surgery

I think you're actually retarded, anon.

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939c9c No.666564

>>637774

>17.breathe underwater

that’s a good way to drown. You’re better off holding your breathe without hyperventilating. If you can resist the urge to suck in air your spleen will release oxygenated blood which will buy you a couple minutes. Hyperventilating can cause you to black out because it doesn’t actually increase the oxygen in your blood but lowers the amount of CO2. The oxygen in your bloodstream will lower at the same rate as usual but without any of the warning signs CO2 gives off. To top it off it reduces the oxygen available in your blood because the hemoglobin will bond too strongly to the oxygen and never release it to the blood and organs.

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332117 No.666618

>>665449

>you will kill your buddy 100% of the time unless you're professionally trained to perform a tracheotomy,

This is what your entire autistic spewings is based on.

It is wrong.

>>666199

>I'm assuming you meant to reply to >>

No I don't think he did, because those are GoPro videos

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c7bd59 No.667269

>>666199

Imagine not being able to do math

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ddfb18 No.667276

>>666465

Just mercy kill your friend.

Also,

>anyone here

>having friends

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8e1b3d No.667282

>>667276

Well here is a tip for all those lonely guys:

If you ever choke on food and there it nobody there to help you, get on your knees and slam your torso to the ground.

Repeat until the food has been flung from your airways.

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4e4deb No.667295

>>637790

Sounds like a shitbag.

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ca6630 No.667306

>>667282

>Thought it was going to be a snide joke about cutting a hole in your throat in the mirror

>Provided actual advice instead

Come on Germany, you were set up for the perfect shitpost and you blew it!

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8cf97d No.667319

File: 0aa4bb0e5e6f99c⋯.jpg (225.18 KB,1080x1350,4:5,40820586_294813891332876_5….jpg)

Anyone interested in Illustrated combat first aid in Japanese?

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dd1461 No.667338

>>667319

Do you need to ask? Post it to the /a/ scanlation thread and they'd probably scanlate it.

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eee579 No.667654

File: 0fc87eff0810aa7⋯.jpg (53.01 KB,400x320,5:4,23222.jpg)

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20e24a No.677097

File: 9efd9fdcf85c120⋯.jpg (327.13 KB,1000x1000,1:1,anklemedical-kit.jpg)

What is actually useful if I am not a larping faggot who thinks he is going to treat other peoples gunshot wounds or have other people there to help me if I get shot?

tourniquets and compression bandages?

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957190 No.677147

>>677097

I'd say most anons probably only need something that they can use for stitches, something to sterilize shit with (say a small bottle of neutral spirits), compression bandages (or just gauze and a basic understanding of what you're doing), a small tube + stick combo or something you can use as a tourniquet, some opiates or weed if you can get your hands on them, a pair of gloves, tweezers for pulling shit out of your skin, and then just some basic bandaid shit or liquid bandage for small cuts/wounds to keep them from getting infected. In most /k/ scenarios that I can think of, infection/disease are more of a concern than bleeding out. If you have room/can ass yourself to change things out once a year, then some stuff like antihistamine tablets, fever reducers, gold bond powder, and skin rash cream are always good bets too. Same with a small flashlight/headlamp if you have extra room at the end. But yeah, a gun range first aid kit will more than likely have the same things I suggested if not significantly less. The important thing is being able to stop bleeding and stop infection.

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4d0143 No.677162

Very few have gone over the use of hasty tourniquets for combat use.

Hopefully that means enough understand the use of them.

Why not prioritze the amount of work done a casualty? 'Less we want to focus on innawoods kinda scenarios….

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f3d6d4 No.679132

File: a956a7009401af0⋯.jpg (490.81 KB,1280x960,4:3,white willow.jpg)

File: 411d119efbd563c⋯.jpg (98.92 KB,535x500,107:100,white willow leaves.jpg)

File: f576cd86fb8c0fb⋯.jpg (1014.69 KB,1365x2048,1365:2048,white willow bark.jpg)

File: 57176d7beeaf3f8⋯.jpg (186.72 KB,1280x960,4:3,white willow cutting.jpg)

File: 6f57b8bcc9b9ad0⋯.jpg (99.7 KB,700x700,1:1,willow bark.jpg)

Willow trees are a great source of Salicin which is the precursor to aspirin. White willows (Salix alba) are generally considered the best, but any variety will do. The bark can be broken down into small pieces and chewed, or brewed into a tea. Same with the leaves, although the bark is a much more potent and reliant source.

Cut a deep square about the size of your palm into the side of the tree and pry the bark off. There will be dark pink and pale bits of bark. You want the pale bits, this is the inner bark. Sometimes beggers can't be choosers though Let the bark dry for a day and either chew for 10 minutes before spitting out, or brew for 20 minutes and drink. One palm's worth of bark is usually enough for 1 dose.

Do not take more than one dose's worth of bark from a tree in a year. (unless you know about coppicing and taking care of trees and shit).

Do not give willow bark to children under 16 (it's rare but they might develop Reye's syndrome).

Congratulations, you now know about the best herbal medicine this side of the apocalypse. Now go out and plant a shit ton of willow trees all over so you can have a steady source of medicine in case you need it.

>>677162

I think anyone with even a modest interest in first aid knows about tourniquets.

>Why not prioritize the amount of work done a casualty?

What?

If you're asking "why not talk about what you need to do with a casualty (dead body)" then the answer is simple. Because you either burn the corpse, or bury it. Not much else to talk about.

If you're asking "why not talk more about combat medicine." The answer is also simple, unless you want to go take actual classes on the subject, basically all you need to know is "Stop the bleeding until real help arrives." There's only so much you can do without getting a degree in this stuff.

Pretty much no matter what happens the answer is "dress/pack with clean bandages, apply pressure, take to nearest hospital."

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547c2c No.679137

>>677097

>asks question

>immediately answers it

Wtf?

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547c2c No.679138

>>679132

A casualty is anyone who is not combat effective, usually due to an injury. If a soldier sprains a wrist while juggling, he is a casualty. It doesnt mean "dead" lol

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f3d6d4 No.679362

>>679138

Yes, but I assumed the ching-chong with broken english from korea didn't know that.

That's why I continued though. If someone is incapacitated due to combat injuries, odds are the damage is too serious for the average strelok to take care of. Like I said: There's only so much you can do without getting a degree in this stuff

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d4f095 No.679379

Not sure what strelok's are hoping to achieve here, but the basics to survival medicine is to plan for the most basic injuries (blisters, burns, cuts, heat stroke, sprains, diahrea, hemmroids, chaffing, etc), and to merely know the basics of how to secure a patient who's has worse than that. You can't fix a broken arm, but an intelligent anon can set a dislocated arm. You can't treat a gunshot wound, but you can apply direct pressure, and rush them to a hospital. If you honestly think you'll need to know how to extract a bullet, and save a patient all by yourself, you need to reconsider some life choices. Either become a doctor, or change your tactics that'd result in said firefight. Bullets are very lethal, and in a SHTF scenario, you need to assume any bullets coming your way will kill you and yours. Either learn how to discuss things like an adult, wait till they're all asleep and murderhobo it up, or avoid others at all costs.

In my experience, wearing a thin layer of cotton socks under thicker wool socks is the best preventative measure against blisters. The additional bonus to this, is you can wear your wools socks multiple days by changing out your undersock only. After 3 days, change your wool sock out as at that point, it'll be pretty well flattened out. There is no properly fitted boot that won't cause blisters. In a survival situation, you're gonna be doing a lot more than just marching in your boots: dragging objects, grubbing in the dirt, going over rocky and rough terrain. All of these things play hell on your foot, and your boot is designed to not flex, meaning your foot is going to slopping around inside to some degree. Really, the best advice here is just to take care of your feet. If you want to go to the next level of care, look into wilderness medicine courses. They're simple enough I'm sure you could find all the info online. That course is gonna get you by 80% of the time. The rest is gonna take a degree.

-t. wildland firefighter/EMT

why the fuck is everyone talking about torniquets and sutures? your belt is a torniquet, a cargo strap is a torniquet, tough fabric and a stick is a torniquet. If you need to use one, you can make one out of almost anything lying around. Your rifle strap, for instance. Suture? Fuck you, stop larping. Gauze, hemostat patches, direct pressure, possible torniquet depending on location, and get them to a hospital. Anything more and you're liable to kill your patient.

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332117 No.679698

>>679379

>your belt is a torniquet, a cargo strap is a torniquet, tough fabric and a stick is a torniquet.

This is absolutely wrong and they'll tell you so in any first aid instruction in the world

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d4f095 No.679702

>>679698

Feel free to keep lying all you want, but the fact remains that all those items have been used quite extensively to stop bleeding on many an amputation. That'd be like claiming no one in the world has ever died to a .22 when in fact a major number of deaths are attributed to them. Most torniquets applied out in the field aren't "proper" brandname torniquets.

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1d3c71 No.679754

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

It's over 3h long but I highly recommend it

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1e5b03 No.680540

File: 282b0983d829dbb⋯.mp4 (7.06 MB,500x352,125:88,Zdelete.mp4)

Always carry a medikit?

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921f3c No.680543

File: 82091d7b3c085ab⋯.jpg (47.77 KB,600x661,600:661,82091d7b3c085ab7bf7501ff0c….jpg)

>>679698

>This is absolutely wrong and they'll tell you so in any first aid instruction in the world

This is a partial lie. They tell you that a belt, cargo strap, etc. is not a tourniquet, but they also tell you that realistically that's what you're going to be using to cut off blood flow if you need a damn tourniquet.

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fafd4a No.680639

>>666003

IIRC CPR is 40% as effective as regular heartbeats though

>>677147 I would suggest the absorbant gels or whatever the hell that is so people with major injuries don't die from Air embolism. Although at that stage you're probably fucked. I suggest grabbing one penicillin derrived antibiotic, and SMZ/TMP or Levofloxacin. The former has better oral and topical application effiency, the latter is a 'oh shit hes fucked type antibiotic'.

>>680543

Do bowline knots work as well? I was taught those worked well but I might be wrong since that was 10+ years ago.

Honestly I would be more worried with the resurgence of parasites and other diseases. Viral and bacterial infections just hope you have a good immune system and meds. It's not gonna be possible short of a mirale or the kube itself blessing the injured to stop a major spine injury or perforating trauma. IF you need to stablize Cspine or some shit and move you're better off mercy killing. For bleeds you might have better luck cautrizing that shit if it's an artery. Or using some of that absorbant gel to make an airtight seal. Again. Not when you need to be moving. I wonder if plastic wrap would work…..

Extreme idiocy below:

If you extract the liquid of Artemisia annua (annual wormwood) leaves you can use it to cure malaria, flukes and fevers if done correctly. It's a meme from traditional chinse medicine, but there's actual science because it contains artemisinin. Be sure to not use water to boil it since artemisinin is fucking volatile >40 C. Traditional (eg; without machinery) extraction is written in the old text to be via compression of the leaves with force. I will say this shit tastes really fucking bitter though, also low oral absorbtion cause of the fact its not industrial grade synthesis of this shit, the low halflife and absorption of this shit. My guess is to take it three or four times a day.

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01fe43 No.683962

Does anyone have any recent physician's desk references or anything like that?

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d4a093 No.683966

>>680540

no, they are pointless. just wear on yourself more ammo for your underbarel shotgun

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1d3c71 No.684014

File: 9d207407b98f5c0⋯.png (149.33 KB,350x350,1:1,ClipboardImage.png)

>>680540

I always carry triangular bandage in on of my cargo pockets. Could be used as improvised tourniquet, trauma pad, roller bandage and of course sling

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256032 No.684018

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>684014

Not to demerit your setup, but a T-shirt will do all these things, and typically you've got at least one of those available at all times.

You can cut a triangle out of your shirt, then use the rest for wrap, by following the remaining 'tab' and cutting a contour width from the missing shirt going around and up. Learned this at the aforementioned wilderness medicine course.

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2aad4a No.684633

>most countries don't actually have medics

I've always found this a bit weird in that the US has, more or less since WW2, had medics and corpsmen attached on a platoon and squad level whereas, as far as I can tell, most other countries(especially "Eastern" countries) tend to treat them like a company or battalion level resource.

Hell, a lot of countries just plain old don't have medics at all instead riflemen have to provide basic aid and then drag their comrades over to a field hospital.

>>637868

>remove a bullet

Unless the presence of the bullet in the wound presents a significant and immediate danger you don't.

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2aad4a No.684634

>>680543

>what is a tourniquet

When I went through first aid to get my driver's license they taught us how to make a tourniquet out of a plank or a stick and a shirt to use on fractures.

To quote "if you don't have a proper trauma kit, and if you're intervening after a car crash you almost certainly won't, you use whatever you have available".

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d4f095 No.684635

>>684634

You just described a splint, anon.

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713ee8 No.684638

>>684635

No he described a tourniquet. You take a rope or piece of fabric and tie it upstream of the wound with a standard knot. Make a second standard knot. Push a tick or pen or flashlight or something else long and solid in between the rope and the limb. Twist. Keep twisting until the bloodflow stops.

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d4f095 No.684644

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>684638

>A plank or a stick and a shirt to use on fractures

No, he just described a fucking splint. you don't torniquet a fractured limb. You splint with a flat board a fucking fractured limb.

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ec1d20 No.684671

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9ddfa8 No.684678

>>684671

>>667319

I second that

Also I seen people say, "Under no circumstances without medical training, do not attempt field doctor" but If I got shot somewhere on my body, can I just try my last 5 minutes of my life trying to close the wound and then go to a doctor? I think that's better than doing nothing and die.

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c036e4 No.684717

File: 53253017488998e⋯.png (75.51 KB,600x424,75:53,ClipboardImage.png)

>>684644

What he is describing is this.

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30e38e No.684724

>>684717

>>684644

Ye olde fashioned windlass has always been a solid performer. In fact, when they talk about people losing limbs to restricted bloodflow, they often mean the good old fashioned big stick and windlass. There was a video of a cartel killing where they used a windlass and kept twisting and tightening till it took his fucking head off. What a man can do with a stick and a rope or strong cloth can be amazing.

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713ee8 No.684786

>>684644

You are fucking retarded.

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3b9921 No.684830

Haven't been on this board in a while. Like what I see. Good stuff.

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d4f095 No.684857

>>684717

>>684786

And that's still an incorrect use of tools, for the wrong situation. You DO NOT fucking tourniquet a fracture. I'm a fucking EMT, so feel free to explain to me how I'm wrong here.

Bunch of fucking larpers amputating people over non-threatening injuries.

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713ee8 No.684861

>>684857

>I'm a fucking EMT

Nigger where? I doubt you're a high school graduate.

ANYONE can click through the thread of comments up and up and up and no one is mentioning fractures, it's all a discussion of tourniquets. You jumped in with a shitty complaint without reading or really comprehending what people were talking about, no one mentioned fractures.

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256032 No.684864

>>684861

>>684634

>When I went through first aid to get my driver's license they taught us how to make a tourniquet out of a plank or a stick and a shirt to use on fractures.

>how to make a tourniquet out of a plank or a stick and a shirt to use on fractures.

>make a tourniquet

>use on fractures

>ANYONE can click through the thread of comments

>without reading or really comprehending what people were talking about

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713ee8 No.684879

>>684864

English isn't his first language retard, make allowances because you clearly haven't mastered one language yet.

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256032 No.684900

>>684857

>no one is mentioning fractures

>>684634

>fractures

>>684879

>English isn't his first language retard, make allowances

>>684861

>no one is mentioning fractures

>You jumped in with a shitty complaint

>without reading or really comprehending what people were talking about

>you clearly haven't mastered one language yet

>I doubt you're a high school graduate

>Nigger

Loved how it was my fault you can't read because someone else doesn't understand english well enough to be talking medical terminology in a thread about how to tend wounds - and offering advice that'd further injure someone. Assuming it was just a hiccup of learning two languages, and not someone telling you to tourniquet a fractured arm.

>You are fucking retarded.

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713ee8 No.684925

>>684900

Literally entire thread is about tourniquets, you bleeding moron.

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ab2d8f No.684934

Years ago, there were many companies working on inventing medical glue for open wounds. What's the status now? Are any on the market?

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256032 No.684936

>>684925

>Literally

Literally isn't entirely about tourniquets, ya faggoty leaf. The entire reply chain might have been about tourniquets, but the original post you attacked pertained to calling out someone using one wrongly, then telling them what the correct tool would be, which coincidentally could be scabbed together with the very same tools they listed. I'm eagerly awaiting the day you leaf faggots go so far off the social justice warrior deep end, you lose your access to the internet (because illegal cyberbullying takes place there).

ESL has no fucking place teaching people first aid. The fact said information is coming from a goddamn driving course only furthers how useless this information is.

>>684934

You mean super glue? Yea, it works fucking swimmingly at sealing wounds. Issue was it wasn't sterile. It's since been improved upon by multiple other companies. NuSkin comes to mind immediately, but I recall there being better alternatives in hospitals, mostly in the bandages. They have bandaids out now the size of common gauze pads that accelerate healing by adding helpful bacteria to the pad with keratin. I'd guess by this point it would be easy enough to get your hands on it for private use.

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713ee8 No.685003

>>684936

I didn't attack anything, I pointed out what he was talking about and what he MEANT. You decided to be an anal retentive fuck and pretend like you're better than everyone by showing how much you know, protip: this is /k/ everyone here is superior to a fucking EMT driver in emergency medical knowledge you faggot.

lol @ pretending americans didn't fucking invent social justice after taking in the frankfurt school kikes after WWII literally invented counterculture - the destruction of white culture

He was talking about tourniquets, period.

>superglue

>not sterile

lol retard shows his ignorance again. Superglue is melted acrylic, when it solidifies it releases a lot of heat and outgasses solvents, and when its completely solid it is basically a chunk of acrylic. Nothing could be more sterile except maybe glass itself.

The reason it's been improved for wound use is to lower the heat and outgassing to below damaging levels for the skin.

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4d9316 No.685038

>>685003

Now EMT driver bro, are there any reasons to outright avoid regular superglue for sealing up wounds innawoods? I know not to use it by itself and for wide cuts. But is the outgassing and heat enough to do serious damage or is it more of a scaring issue?

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30e38e No.685044

Superglue friends, may I gently remind people that wounds like to breathe and at some point over sealing them creates problems? Proper dressings allow air, this is on purpose. Butterfly and stitch allow the wound to breathe and act more naturally. As Canuckistani poster >>685003 points out, you are basically sealing the wound in acrylic. Why don't you pour acrylic or heavy wax on your body, or any plastic or heavy dose of sealing compound that is hard to remove, tell me about the experience.

Dressings are easily removed for wound cleaning and maintenance, easily replaced. Staples, stitch, butterfly all allow the wound to be observed and monitored, cleaned. Now, try to deal with a giant blob of plastic over the top of a wound, how do you remove such a hard and attached to the skin thing? When you want to get rid of it it is suddenly a problem, solvents are going to be dangerous and agitate the skin. It is a pain in the ass to remove, and medical dressings need that. Get back to the field hospital, or a big hospital now the surgeon or physician is going to be dealing with another problem on top of the wound, literally.

Potentially poisoning, you are applying it directly to an open wound. Pour solvent on it to remove it later you potentially poison yet again.

Lots of things to consider, and why old methods are still sometimes the very best.

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921f3c No.685059

>>684934

It's called superglue. Or just liquid bandage.

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921f3c No.685060

>>685038

No him, but you could use it innawoods. I'd still suggest just getting a small bottle of liquid bandage. They sell half-ounce bottles that you could store in a side pocket or satchel or something that's like the size of your thumb.

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713ee8 No.685150

>>685038

The reason why superglue is good is because it works fast and it's more or less sterile. This makes it good for emergency dressings.

But yes, it will leave massive scarring and the wound won't heal right until you go to a hospital and have a doctor re-open and stitch it correctly.

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256032 No.685161

>>685038

Honestly, there isn't such issues with offgassing or scarring, the leaf is a fucking imbecile and knows literally nothing. The main issue with superglue is most injuries need to be disinfected, and usually for bigger ones, need to be cleaned out somewhat regularly (which your body naturally does, so it's not needed to reopen and reclean unless it becomes infected). As >>685044 points out, superglueing a wound means you can't reaccess it without removing the glue. You're also blocking the surrounding area from receiving oxygen, which will cause the surrounding area to die, and is a great way to promote bacterial growth ie: isn't very sterile.

What I recommend to anyone who plans on backpacking or going innawoods, is to get a small botte of providone iodine, and keep it in a medical pack. iodine can be used to disinfect when diluted in clean clear water, can be used for dressing wounds, as it's a germicide in a 10% concentration, and can be used to purify drinking water (one drop per quart of clear water, 10 drops for cloudy water according to my bottle).

Pair the iodine up with a small syringe to flush any deep wounds out with. You'll have to flush it multiple times to ensure it's been properly disinfected, and make sure you check the wound cavity for any foreign objects and remove them with tweezers. Most of the time a bandaid or gauze pad is recommended for cuts. Superglue really only shines when your cut is smaller, and in an area without much flexion. It's handy, but really only in a way that allows you to save your better first aid supplies for more serious injuries. It also peels off easy enough in a few hours after applying, so it's not like it's necessarily hard to remove once it's on.

Stitching is pretty easy to learn, and something I recommend if you plan on being a woodsman. Fishing line and a needle take up no space, and can be used for multiple things. Just make sure you disinfect them first if doing sutures.

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e8dccf No.686138

>>680639

>IIRC CPR is 40% as effective as regular heartbeats though

I don't know about exact numbers, but if the choice is between 40% and 0%, I know which one most people would prefer. CPR doesn't fix anything, it just prevents damage until you can zap them.

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72b1fd No.689088

bump

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fb7419 No.689099

I am deeply concerned with the information in this thread

this shit is just straight up wrong.

Medical care is given IN CONTEXT, there is no single procedure for an injury

For example if someone comes in with an infected cut.

A. Assess the patients general state, is what they tell you going to be reliable?

B. Is this the only injury? fucking ask. If the answer to A is "no" you may have to manually asses the casualty for secondary injury, this is why doctors are always doing blood pressure checks etc.

Casualties may and often do have injuries unrelated to the one they are seeking treatment for which may also be significant or complicate primary care.

C. how best to approach treatment?

Often the answer is "take them somewhere else where it can be done better".

So you took out a bullet out in the field, where is the patient going to recover where treatment is still available if there are complications?

D. search for other casualties. Don't send one casualty to hospital and have a second casualty appear.

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d55fe7 No.689109

>>686138

This. CPR is a stop gap measure because people start dying very quickly if they don't have oxygen to the brain. Just keep in mind that if you have to start pumping, you'll probably have to manually fill their lungs. They make special disposable masks for this that are dirt cheap, and you're going to want one when the vomiting occurs.

The vomiting ALWAYS occurs. Be prepared for cracking/breaking rib sounds as well.

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