/k/ - Weapons

>>637774

>what is a shallow water blackout

Jesus. I haven't bothered to read all of these after noticing that you can get killed following some of the advice.

>wikihow to treat a bullet wound

<almost entirely incorrect.

-t. surgeon

>>637856

Well shit man, how do you remove a bullet then? Also since you're a surgeon should I buy a practice suture kit like on amazon or are they shit?

https://www.amazon.com/Suture-Practice-Kit-Suturing-Training/dp/B07HLWWD23/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1546428529&sr=8-9&keywords=suturing+kit

>>637868

>Well shit man, how do you remove a bullet then?

You don't.

>should I buy a practice suture kit

No. Don't suture wounds.

Strelok efforts should be based on trauma stabilization, first aid, and controlling hemorrhage. I recommend you all find and attend a Stop the Bleed class (many of them are free) where you can learn those skills and practice on yourself with a real tourniquet. Learn CPR too.

Just seeing up a deep wound is just asking for infection, leave it open and let it drain, if you have the know-how you can pack it with gauze and change it and flush it with sterile water daily.

Botanics expert here, tought I'd post since I think my skills might help one of you

Here's a pretty basic recipe

-4 or 5 crushed cloves of garlic

-a few sprigs of usnea

-ginger powder

-any sort of strong pepper, doesn't matter what type

-3 cups of either strong alcohol or olive oil

This makes a good amount of antibacterial/fungal solution, if you get sick or get an infection just chug this stuff

>>637771

Why the fuck would a /k/commando ever need to deal with menstrual cramps

>>637877 (checked)

>Why the fuck would a /k/commando ever need to deal with menstrual cramps

First Femcorps, waifu division?

And here's some more recipes

Burn healing paste

-a leave's worth of aloe gel

-a tablespoon of pure natural honey, none of that added sugar American stuff

-mashed up mint leaves, a handful

Mix them so it forms a very light putty or paste it whatever, apply and cover with a light bandage

Cut healing paste

-a leave's worth of aloe gel

-2 to 3 tablespoons of sugar

Crush the aloe between your fingers, trying to work the sugar into it

Apply to any bandages you put on a wound, change regularly

>>637881

Fair enough

>>637874

Do what the leaf says unless you have actual medical training. It's not like the movies. We all mock the movies when they show 9mm sending people flying across the room. Why is it so surprising that their "medical therapy" is totally fake too?

I'm not telling you faggots not to suture wounds because I'm afraid of losing post-apocalyptic job security, but rather because people don't understand that, to a first approximation, the main reason we suture wounds closed is to make a pretty scar. If there is any chance of the wound being contaminated, or still having any ongoing bleeding, we don't close. If we closed a contaminated or bleeding wound, we have to reopen it.

Any wound you faggots would be able to manage would be a wound you should let heal by secondary intention.

>>637888

Trips of truth.

There is a reason that doctors require a degree. Human beings are complex machines and messing with one requires a lot of training and experience.

>>638061

Yes. When streloks talk about treating bullet wounds I imagine the scene from the 2006 film, Babel, where they find a vet to suture the woman's bleeding rifle wound closed "to stop the blood loss". Yeah, no, that's not how this works at all. Tourniquet (if applicable) or direct pressure, like you will learn in Stop the Bleed. "Direct pressure" does not mean what you learned in boy scouts, either.

>>637768

drink water, take motrin, change your socks

>>637790

sounds like a traitor to me, if anyone found his pipe, please burn it

Other pages with some good medical stuff, once you dig through it:

https://grandpappy.org/index.htm

and

https://www.pssurvival.com/

Also try to find copies of older manuals made before modern antibiotics, which are probably more useful than most current ones in a post-apocalyptic-type scenario, because you'll have little in the way of working modern technology left after a short while.

If any of you can manage to get the help of a chemist and produce Sulfonamide antibiotics aka Sulfonamidochrysoidine (Prontosil), as well as streptomycin, chloramphenicol, and tetracycline, you're going to be rolling in dough after SHTF.

Otherwise, use honey on wounds, and piss on your feet to stop from getting fungal infections there.

Some medic books here

>>>/pol/12635981

>>>/pol/12635989

Medics are the healsluts of soldiers

>>637790

>my grandpa bombed his relatives for ZOG

sounds like a real stand-up guy

How do you deal with blood transfusions during the apocalype? People suffering from blood loss will have problems with getting the donated bloods.

>>655250

You don't. You either get lucky or you die.

t.guy who lives somewhere if you get shot you're a fucking dead man.

>>655254

That sucks. I thought about getting my blood stored in my refrigerators.

>>655282

You'd have about ~40 days before it expires. Blood doesn't last long outside the body and it has to be constantly monitored or it just goes bad. I wonder where all that expired blood gets dumped now that I think about it.

>>637771

>Cilantro for removing heavy metals

Eating enough cilantro to remove mercury from your body will also de-calcify your bones/prevent iron/calcium ingestion. There's a reason you're not supposed to feed it to box turtles and other small animals.

>>637774

>How to perform a tracheotomy

That seems like a quick way to kill someone. They specifically teach you NOT to do this kind of shit in CPR/First Aid training since not even a fucking EMT should be doing this kind of shit.

>Healing bullet wounds

Maybe if you got shot by .22LR or 9mm that would work, but anything heavier and you'll probably need a tourniquet at bare minimum to deal with that shit. I imagine removing any standard rifle round from your innards is a good way to bleed to death since you can't apply pressure properly to a wound that deep/large.

>>655294

>expired blood gets dumped now that I think about it.

You spent the chill down my spine. I hope they don’t sell the expired bloods to the desperate people.

>>655306

>spent

That is a typo for send.

>>655294

Most blood isn't stored as blood, it's stored as blood plasma since you can freeze blood plasma and forget about it. These days most of the times when they're giving you blood, they're actually just giving you the fluids that help blood move throughout your body and hoping that your remaining blood cells are capable of transferring enough oxygen to your brain to send signals to ramp up actual blood cell production. Imagine your blood is alcohol (blood) and water (blood plasma) and an open wound is a bunsen burner. You're diluting it with water as the bunsen burner tries to boil everything to make it look like it's still 45/55 ratio of blood-to-plasma to your dad (hemorrhagic shock) while your friend (the brain) goes off to get another bottle of vodka and the medic tries to shut off the gas valve.

>>655306

I got a feeling it goes in the incinerator.

>>655309

The wife was telling me red blood cells don't last that long and a quick look found this. https://transfusion.com.au/blood_products/storage/storage_temperature_range

Medical stuff isn't exactly my expertise, I guess I'll have to look into this shit a bit more.

>>655316

>I got a feeling it goes in the incinerator.

Not everyone will do that. Some of them are evil.

>>655302

>>655302

>That seems like a quick way to kill someone

they'd already be dying dipshit

>>655302

I mean, if someone has been neck shot or similar and their airways and lungs are filling up with blood, it's not like they're going to live past the next minutes without immediate intervention. Even if it had a, random number, 20% success rate, that's a lot more than the 0% if you did nothing.

>>662394

Point being, anything more advanced than a tourniquet, stitches, or giving someone epinephrine, and you should be leaving it to your dedicated medic (unless you ARE the dedicated medic and have trained yourself accordingly). The human body can recover from hella lot of shit in most scenarios and it's good intentions that get people killed.

>Someone dying of a heart attack

In retrospect I got angry and said something extremely retarded. The only thing you should/can do for someone having a heart attack is give them aspirin in most cases. I was thinking of sudden cardiac arrest, which is not the same thing.

>>637877

Do I need to boil it, or do I just throw it all into a blender and drink it cold?

>>662394

I will reiterate, if you have positively identified your buddy as being shot in the neck, you can either A: Do nothing, and he will die 100% of the time. Or B: Attempt tracheotomy.

So ive been hearing that if you wear two socks at the same time that it prevents blisters? Is this true or is it complete mumbo jumbo?

>>665608

>I've heard fermented garlic and honey has medical properties

Don't know much about garlic, but honey is great for wounds. It's anti-bacterial so it prevents infection (you can apply it even on an infected wound), it keeps the wound moist, and prevents shit from entering it. It makes wounds heal faster than normal, helps with infection, helps with burns, and can even reduce final scarring. Best rubbed onto gauze, which should the be applied as normal and changed regularly. Honey actually works so well that it has been used in this manner for thousands of years.

Careful, though. Different honeys have very different properties - some may only be very mildly anti-bacterial, others may have contaminants, etc. Ideally, you should use medical-grade honey which has been pre-sterilised and has a very high anti-bacterial property. If you do not have that, table honey may be used, but you can't be sure about how effective it'll actually be and you might even introduce contaminants.

If you manage to have some hives to produce honey, and you're lucky enough to get them to produce the right kind of honey, you will have a steady supply of a strong, multipurpose anti-bacterial agent. If you are not lucky, you'll at least have something delicious to sweeten your food.

>>665643

>sterilize it

To destroy all the beneficial enzymes? It's naturally anti-bacterial and will kill anything that contaminates it

>>665632

Whoever told you that is retarded. The answer is to stock-up on mole-skin while you can and use it as padding on blister hot-zone. Do you always get a blister under your little toe? Walk until you start to feel the burn, then put some mole-skin there. A little bit of abuse will strengthen your skin, and that's good, but do everything in your power to prevent actual blisters from forming. In a shtf scenario, if that blister pops and gets infected you could lose your fucking foot. Granted that's a worst case scenario, but it's still better to slowly and carefully add calluses. Yes I'm aware that's not how you're "supposed" to use mole-skin, but it works

>>665643

Thanks, but honey is only useful for treating wounds (at least I think.) I was referring to oral antibiotics. Like penicillin or tetracycline.

>>637790

The only reason the allies got planes capable of fighting the germans was because a half jew hand delivered a plane to them. Fucking traitors.

>>637872

Isn't CPR incredibly ineffective? Like it's a miracle if it works at all?

What's some good natural pain reliefs? Getting tired and sore is a real issue and having some self grown pain relief would do you well if you start getting joint pain or headaches as you get older.

>>665896

>The answer is to stock-up on mole-skin while you can and use it as padding on blister hot-zone.

no, the answer is to get boots that are comfy and getting used to wearing them

>>665888

The issue is not all honey is as antibacterial as we'd like.

>>665896

>Thanks, but honey is only useful for treating wounds (at least I think.) I was referring to oral antibiotics. Like penicillin or tetracycline.

Yeah, honey won't help you here except for a small relief for throat infections.

>>665913

CPR increases the chances of surviving cardiac arrest until medics show up from 7% to about 18%, so it's incredibly effective. You have to keep in mind that all CPR is, is manually pumping blood to the brain so the person doesn't get brain death from lack of oxygen. It isn't actually solving the problem, it's just preventing a bigger obstacle.

>>665449

>someone is near death

>don't even ATTEMPT to do anything, twit!

You're the kind of faggot EMTs hate.

>>665449

>get your phone out and videotape it

this is why america is fucked

>>665921

>get boots that are comfy and getting used to wearing them

That works for you, but I was assuming we were talking about taking care of someone else. If it's shtf and someone doesn't have good shoes, then going to the store and getting some nice new boots probably isn't going to be an option. If getting good boots is an option, yeah, do that, if not, do what I said.

>>666199

>>666201

It depends on the scenario. If you're in the woods and even a helicopter is over an hour away. Then trying a tracheotomy took your friend from a 0% chance to 0.1% chance. If you just got in a car wreck and help is already on the way, then don't pretend you're Action-Man and stay calm, odds are you'll do more harm than good.

>>666205

You're still assuming a 0% chance and that your actions won't lower the percentage further. Or that your situation, which is even less likely than your friend getting shot in the neck during a firefight and surviving long enough for you to cut a hole in his throat/patch up a wound around the hole in his throat you're using makeshift, is feasibly possible. This isn't argumentum ad absurdum, but even if it was, an endotracheal tube is still a more valid option.

>>666297

>an endotracheal tube is still a more valid option.

No shit sherlock, but what if you don't happen to have one lying around? If I could pull a surgeon out of my backpack and have him take care of it instead I would do that. But no matter how well you think you've prepared there's always SOMETHING you're going to miss. If you pack an endotracheal tube in your first aid kit, good on you, but I'm talking about an absolute worst case scenario. You're hours from civilization, your friend fell and jacked his neck up and now he can't breath, and you don't happen to have an endotracheal tube just lying around. In that scenario then an emergency tracheotomy makes sense. I agree that if an ambulance is already on the way then stabbing your friend in the throat is one of the most retarded things you could do, but if there isn't help coming, and he can't breath, then a tracheotomy could be the difference between life and death.

>>637774

>17.breathe underwater

that’s a good way to drown. You’re better off holding your breathe without hyperventilating. If you can resist the urge to suck in air your spleen will release oxygenated blood which will buy you a couple minutes. Hyperventilating can cause you to black out because it doesn’t actually increase the oxygen in your blood but lowers the amount of CO2. The oxygen in your bloodstream will lower at the same rate as usual but without any of the warning signs CO2 gives off. To top it off it reduces the oxygen available in your blood because the hemoglobin will bond too strongly to the oxygen and never release it to the blood and organs.

>>665449

>you will kill your buddy 100% of the time unless you're professionally trained to perform a tracheotomy,

This is what your entire autistic spewings is based on.

It is wrong.

>>666199

>I'm assuming you meant to reply to >>

No I don't think he did, because those are GoPro videos

>>666199

Imagine not being able to do math

>>666465

Just mercy kill your friend.

Also,

>anyone here

>having friends

>>667276

Well here is a tip for all those lonely guys:

If you ever choke on food and there it nobody there to help you, get on your knees and slam your torso to the ground.

Repeat until the food has been flung from your airways.

>>637790

Sounds like a shitbag.

>>667282

>Thought it was going to be a snide joke about cutting a hole in your throat in the mirror

>Provided actual advice instead

Come on Germany, you were set up for the perfect shitpost and you blew it!

>>667319

Do you need to ask? Post it to the /a/ scanlation thread and they'd probably scanlate it.

>>677097

I'd say most anons probably only need something that they can use for stitches, something to sterilize shit with (say a small bottle of neutral spirits), compression bandages (or just gauze and a basic understanding of what you're doing), a small tube + stick combo or something you can use as a tourniquet, some opiates or weed if you can get your hands on them, a pair of gloves, tweezers for pulling shit out of your skin, and then just some basic bandaid shit or liquid bandage for small cuts/wounds to keep them from getting infected. In most /k/ scenarios that I can think of, infection/disease are more of a concern than bleeding out. If you have room/can ass yourself to change things out once a year, then some stuff like antihistamine tablets, fever reducers, gold bond powder, and skin rash cream are always good bets too. Same with a small flashlight/headlamp if you have extra room at the end. But yeah, a gun range first aid kit will more than likely have the same things I suggested if not significantly less. The important thing is being able to stop bleeding and stop infection.

Very few have gone over the use of hasty tourniquets for combat use.

Hopefully that means enough understand the use of them.

Why not prioritze the amount of work done a casualty? 'Less we want to focus on innawoods kinda scenarios….

>>677097

>asks question

>immediately answers it

Wtf?

>>679132

A casualty is anyone who is not combat effective, usually due to an injury. If a soldier sprains a wrist while juggling, he is a casualty. It doesnt mean "dead" lol

>>679138

Yes, but I assumed the ching-chong with broken english from korea didn't know that.

That's why I continued though. If someone is incapacitated due to combat injuries, odds are the damage is too serious for the average strelok to take care of. Like I said: There's only so much you can do without getting a degree in this stuff

Not sure what strelok's are hoping to achieve here, but the basics to survival medicine is to plan for the most basic injuries (blisters, burns, cuts, heat stroke, sprains, diahrea, hemmroids, chaffing, etc), and to merely know the basics of how to secure a patient who's has worse than that. You can't fix a broken arm, but an intelligent anon can set a dislocated arm. You can't treat a gunshot wound, but you can apply direct pressure, and rush them to a hospital. If you honestly think you'll need to know how to extract a bullet, and save a patient all by yourself, you need to reconsider some life choices. Either become a doctor, or change your tactics that'd result in said firefight. Bullets are very lethal, and in a SHTF scenario, you need to assume any bullets coming your way will kill you and yours. Either learn how to discuss things like an adult, wait till they're all asleep and murderhobo it up, or avoid others at all costs.

In my experience, wearing a thin layer of cotton socks under thicker wool socks is the best preventative measure against blisters. The additional bonus to this, is you can wear your wools socks multiple days by changing out your undersock only. After 3 days, change your wool sock out as at that point, it'll be pretty well flattened out. There is no properly fitted boot that won't cause blisters. In a survival situation, you're gonna be doing a lot more than just marching in your boots: dragging objects, grubbing in the dirt, going over rocky and rough terrain. All of these things play hell on your foot, and your boot is designed to not flex, meaning your foot is going to slopping around inside to some degree. Really, the best advice here is just to take care of your feet. If you want to go to the next level of care, look into wilderness medicine courses. They're simple enough I'm sure you could find all the info online. That course is gonna get you by 80% of the time. The rest is gonna take a degree.

-t. wildland firefighter/EMT

why the fuck is everyone talking about torniquets and sutures? your belt is a torniquet, a cargo strap is a torniquet, tough fabric and a stick is a torniquet. If you need to use one, you can make one out of almost anything lying around. Your rifle strap, for instance. Suture? Fuck you, stop larping. Gauze, hemostat patches, direct pressure, possible torniquet depending on location, and get them to a hospital. Anything more and you're liable to kill your patient.

>>679379

>your belt is a torniquet, a cargo strap is a torniquet, tough fabric and a stick is a torniquet.

This is absolutely wrong and they'll tell you so in any first aid instruction in the world

>>679698

Feel free to keep lying all you want, but the fact remains that all those items have been used quite extensively to stop bleeding on many an amputation. That'd be like claiming no one in the world has ever died to a .22 when in fact a major number of deaths are attributed to them. Most torniquets applied out in the field aren't "proper" brandname torniquets.

It's over 3h long but I highly recommend it

>>666003

IIRC CPR is 40% as effective as regular heartbeats though

>>677147 I would suggest the absorbant gels or whatever the hell that is so people with major injuries don't die from Air embolism. Although at that stage you're probably fucked. I suggest grabbing one penicillin derrived antibiotic, and SMZ/TMP or Levofloxacin. The former has better oral and topical application effiency, the latter is a 'oh shit hes fucked type antibiotic'.

>>680543

Do bowline knots work as well? I was taught those worked well but I might be wrong since that was 10+ years ago.

Honestly I would be more worried with the resurgence of parasites and other diseases. Viral and bacterial infections just hope you have a good immune system and meds. It's not gonna be possible short of a mirale or the kube itself blessing the injured to stop a major spine injury or perforating trauma. IF you need to stablize Cspine or some shit and move you're better off mercy killing. For bleeds you might have better luck cautrizing that shit if it's an artery. Or using some of that absorbant gel to make an airtight seal. Again. Not when you need to be moving. I wonder if plastic wrap would work…..

Extreme idiocy below:

If you extract the liquid of Artemisia annua (annual wormwood) leaves you can use it to cure malaria, flukes and fevers if done correctly. It's a meme from traditional chinse medicine, but there's actual science because it contains artemisinin. Be sure to not use water to boil it since artemisinin is fucking volatile >40 C. Traditional (eg; without machinery) extraction is written in the old text to be via compression of the leaves with force. I will say this shit tastes really fucking bitter though, also low oral absorbtion cause of the fact its not industrial grade synthesis of this shit, the low halflife and absorption of this shit. My guess is to take it three or four times a day.

Does anyone have any recent physician's desk references or anything like that?

>>680540

no, they are pointless. just wear on yourself more ammo for your underbarel shotgun

>>684014

Not to demerit your setup, but a T-shirt will do all these things, and typically you've got at least one of those available at all times.

You can cut a triangle out of your shirt, then use the rest for wrap, by following the remaining 'tab' and cutting a contour width from the missing shirt going around and up. Learned this at the aforementioned wilderness medicine course.

>most countries don't actually have medics

I've always found this a bit weird in that the US has, more or less since WW2, had medics and corpsmen attached on a platoon and squad level whereas, as far as I can tell, most other countries(especially "Eastern" countries) tend to treat them like a company or battalion level resource.

Hell, a lot of countries just plain old don't have medics at all instead riflemen have to provide basic aid and then drag their comrades over to a field hospital.

>>637868

>remove a bullet

Unless the presence of the bullet in the wound presents a significant and immediate danger you don't.

>>680543

>what is a tourniquet

When I went through first aid to get my driver's license they taught us how to make a tourniquet out of a plank or a stick and a shirt to use on fractures.

To quote "if you don't have a proper trauma kit, and if you're intervening after a car crash you almost certainly won't, you use whatever you have available".

>>684634

You just described a splint, anon.

>>684635

No he described a tourniquet. You take a rope or piece of fabric and tie it upstream of the wound with a standard knot. Make a second standard knot. Push a tick or pen or flashlight or something else long and solid in between the rope and the limb. Twist. Keep twisting until the bloodflow stops.

>>684638

>A plank or a stick and a shirt to use on fractures

No, he just described a fucking splint. you don't torniquet a fractured limb. You splint with a flat board a fucking fractured limb.

>>667319

I am.

>>684671

>>667319

I second that

Also I seen people say, "Under no circumstances without medical training, do not attempt field doctor" but If I got shot somewhere on my body, can I just try my last 5 minutes of my life trying to close the wound and then go to a doctor? I think that's better than doing nothing and die.

>>684717

>>684644

Ye olde fashioned windlass has always been a solid performer. In fact, when they talk about people losing limbs to restricted bloodflow, they often mean the good old fashioned big stick and windlass. There was a video of a cartel killing where they used a windlass and kept twisting and tightening till it took his fucking head off. What a man can do with a stick and a rope or strong cloth can be amazing.

>>684644

You are fucking retarded.

Haven't been on this board in a while. Like what I see. Good stuff.

>>684717

>>684786

And that's still an incorrect use of tools, for the wrong situation. You DO NOT fucking tourniquet a fracture. I'm a fucking EMT, so feel free to explain to me how I'm wrong here.

Bunch of fucking larpers amputating people over non-threatening injuries.

>>684857

>I'm a fucking EMT

Nigger where? I doubt you're a high school graduate.

ANYONE can click through the thread of comments up and up and up and no one is mentioning fractures, it's all a discussion of tourniquets. You jumped in with a shitty complaint without reading or really comprehending what people were talking about, no one mentioned fractures.

>>684861

>>684634

>When I went through first aid to get my driver's license they taught us how to make a tourniquet out of a plank or a stick and a shirt to use on fractures.

>how to make a tourniquet out of a plank or a stick and a shirt to use on fractures.

>make a tourniquet

>use on fractures

>ANYONE can click through the thread of comments

>without reading or really comprehending what people were talking about

>>684864

English isn't his first language retard, make allowances because you clearly haven't mastered one language yet.

>>684857

>no one is mentioning fractures

>>684634

>fractures

>>684879

>English isn't his first language retard, make allowances

>>684861

>no one is mentioning fractures

>You jumped in with a shitty complaint

>without reading or really comprehending what people were talking about

>you clearly haven't mastered one language yet

>I doubt you're a high school graduate

>Nigger

Loved how it was my fault you can't read because someone else doesn't understand english well enough to be talking medical terminology in a thread about how to tend wounds - and offering advice that'd further injure someone. Assuming it was just a hiccup of learning two languages, and not someone telling you to tourniquet a fractured arm.

>You are fucking retarded.

>>684900

Literally entire thread is about tourniquets, you bleeding moron.

Years ago, there were many companies working on inventing medical glue for open wounds. What's the status now? Are any on the market?

>>684925

>Literally

Literally isn't entirely about tourniquets, ya faggoty leaf. The entire reply chain might have been about tourniquets, but the original post you attacked pertained to calling out someone using one wrongly, then telling them what the correct tool would be, which coincidentally could be scabbed together with the very same tools they listed. I'm eagerly awaiting the day you leaf faggots go so far off the social justice warrior deep end, you lose your access to the internet (because illegal cyberbullying takes place there).

ESL has no fucking place teaching people first aid. The fact said information is coming from a goddamn driving course only furthers how useless this information is.

>>684934

You mean super glue? Yea, it works fucking swimmingly at sealing wounds. Issue was it wasn't sterile. It's since been improved upon by multiple other companies. NuSkin comes to mind immediately, but I recall there being better alternatives in hospitals, mostly in the bandages. They have bandaids out now the size of common gauze pads that accelerate healing by adding helpful bacteria to the pad with keratin. I'd guess by this point it would be easy enough to get your hands on it for private use.

>>684936

I didn't attack anything, I pointed out what he was talking about and what he MEANT. You decided to be an anal retentive fuck and pretend like you're better than everyone by showing how much you know, protip: this is /k/ everyone here is superior to a fucking EMT driver in emergency medical knowledge you faggot.

lol @ pretending americans didn't fucking invent social justice after taking in the frankfurt school kikes after WWII literally invented counterculture - the destruction of white culture

He was talking about tourniquets, period.

>superglue

>not sterile

lol retard shows his ignorance again. Superglue is melted acrylic, when it solidifies it releases a lot of heat and outgasses solvents, and when its completely solid it is basically a chunk of acrylic. Nothing could be more sterile except maybe glass itself.

The reason it's been improved for wound use is to lower the heat and outgassing to below damaging levels for the skin.

>>685003

Now EMT driver bro, are there any reasons to outright avoid regular superglue for sealing up wounds innawoods? I know not to use it by itself and for wide cuts. But is the outgassing and heat enough to do serious damage or is it more of a scaring issue?

Superglue friends, may I gently remind people that wounds like to breathe and at some point over sealing them creates problems? Proper dressings allow air, this is on purpose. Butterfly and stitch allow the wound to breathe and act more naturally. As Canuckistani poster >>685003 points out, you are basically sealing the wound in acrylic. Why don't you pour acrylic or heavy wax on your body, or any plastic or heavy dose of sealing compound that is hard to remove, tell me about the experience.

Dressings are easily removed for wound cleaning and maintenance, easily replaced. Staples, stitch, butterfly all allow the wound to be observed and monitored, cleaned. Now, try to deal with a giant blob of plastic over the top of a wound, how do you remove such a hard and attached to the skin thing? When you want to get rid of it it is suddenly a problem, solvents are going to be dangerous and agitate the skin. It is a pain in the ass to remove, and medical dressings need that. Get back to the field hospital, or a big hospital now the surgeon or physician is going to be dealing with another problem on top of the wound, literally.

Potentially poisoning, you are applying it directly to an open wound. Pour solvent on it to remove it later you potentially poison yet again.

Lots of things to consider, and why old methods are still sometimes the very best.

>>684934

It's called superglue. Or just liquid bandage.

>>685038

No him, but you could use it innawoods. I'd still suggest just getting a small bottle of liquid bandage. They sell half-ounce bottles that you could store in a side pocket or satchel or something that's like the size of your thumb.

>>685038

The reason why superglue is good is because it works fast and it's more or less sterile. This makes it good for emergency dressings.

But yes, it will leave massive scarring and the wound won't heal right until you go to a hospital and have a doctor re-open and stitch it correctly.

>>685038

Honestly, there isn't such issues with offgassing or scarring, the leaf is a fucking imbecile and knows literally nothing. The main issue with superglue is most injuries need to be disinfected, and usually for bigger ones, need to be cleaned out somewhat regularly (which your body naturally does, so it's not needed to reopen and reclean unless it becomes infected). As >>685044 points out, superglueing a wound means you can't reaccess it without removing the glue. You're also blocking the surrounding area from receiving oxygen, which will cause the surrounding area to die, and is a great way to promote bacterial growth ie: isn't very sterile.

What I recommend to anyone who plans on backpacking or going innawoods, is to get a small botte of providone iodine, and keep it in a medical pack. iodine can be used to disinfect when diluted in clean clear water, can be used for dressing wounds, as it's a germicide in a 10% concentration, and can be used to purify drinking water (one drop per quart of clear water, 10 drops for cloudy water according to my bottle).

Pair the iodine up with a small syringe to flush any deep wounds out with. You'll have to flush it multiple times to ensure it's been properly disinfected, and make sure you check the wound cavity for any foreign objects and remove them with tweezers. Most of the time a bandaid or gauze pad is recommended for cuts. Superglue really only shines when your cut is smaller, and in an area without much flexion. It's handy, but really only in a way that allows you to save your better first aid supplies for more serious injuries. It also peels off easy enough in a few hours after applying, so it's not like it's necessarily hard to remove once it's on.

Stitching is pretty easy to learn, and something I recommend if you plan on being a woodsman. Fishing line and a needle take up no space, and can be used for multiple things. Just make sure you disinfect them first if doing sutures.

>>680639

>IIRC CPR is 40% as effective as regular heartbeats though

I don't know about exact numbers, but if the choice is between 40% and 0%, I know which one most people would prefer. CPR doesn't fix anything, it just prevents damage until you can zap them.

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I am deeply concerned with the information in this thread

this shit is just straight up wrong.

Medical care is given IN CONTEXT, there is no single procedure for an injury

For example if someone comes in with an infected cut.

A. Assess the patients general state, is what they tell you going to be reliable?

B. Is this the only injury? fucking ask. If the answer to A is "no" you may have to manually asses the casualty for secondary injury, this is why doctors are always doing blood pressure checks etc.

Casualties may and often do have injuries unrelated to the one they are seeking treatment for which may also be significant or complicate primary care.

C. how best to approach treatment?

Often the answer is "take them somewhere else where it can be done better".

So you took out a bullet out in the field, where is the patient going to recover where treatment is still available if there are complications?

D. search for other casualties. Don't send one casualty to hospital and have a second casualty appear.

>>686138

This. CPR is a stop gap measure because people start dying very quickly if they don't have oxygen to the brain. Just keep in mind that if you have to start pumping, you'll probably have to manually fill their lungs. They make special disposable masks for this that are dirt cheap, and you're going to want one when the vomiting occurs.

The vomiting ALWAYS occurs. Be prepared for cracking/breaking rib sounds as well.