No.64225 [View All]
Let's get some positivity and productive shit going by posting good examples of DAZ art (Misnomer) and tips on rendering stuff that doesn't look like dogshit.
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No.64976
>>64957
And yet the 2d artists are among some of the biggest Patreon leeches around. Sometimes wating 3 months for an update that contains 5 new CGs.
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No.64978
>>64976
He's probably a mediocre 2d artist himself who's angry that even a literal downsyndrome can make better art than him with Daz, not having to have even a modicum of talent or skill.
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No.64980
>>64964
Nergal's Nest games, retard. If you think commissioncommissions are so bad, learn to draw. Otherwise kill yourself with your DAZ shit.
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No.64984
>>64978
Quite the opposite I'm experimenting myself with Daz. But I'm not delusional and fully aware its the lowest form for graphics and has the lowest chance of success.
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No.64986
>>64984
>Actually thinks 2d is better "graphics" than 3d. Dude are you trolling or just retarded?
Also, 3d has the better chance of success as people are leery to patron 2d games now as content is, as stated earlier, months and months apart and lacking. Daz games can pump out a decent amount of content each month, and therefor people are more likely to throw a few dollars towards it.
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No.64987
>>64964
>Muh Breading Season
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>64986
>Fucking up greentext
>Reddit spacing
No surprises here.
>as people are leery to patron 2d games now as content is, as stated earlier, months and months apart and lacking
That haven't stopped Summertime Saga for being the biggest patreon, have it? Patreon is not a measurement of anything at all, seeing how most people that gives money there are close to be brain dead.
>Daz games can pump out a decent amount of content each month, and therefor people are more likely to throw a few dollars towards it.
Any proof for that other than the bias that comes from your lack of skills?
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No.64988
>>64795
>By the way, do you know any tips or tricks for speeding up renders with mirrors in them like these ones?
I did some experiments here and managed to reduce render time to 15% (pic related).
<Procedure:
1. the original image had 1080 pixels high
2. I rendered a new one with 640 pixels high and I stopped the process at 3 minutes
3. I enlarged the image to 6x using Topaz's "Gigapixel" software
4. I reduced this new image to 1080 pixels high in the GIMP.
The main point of this procedure is that Gigapixel uses AI to resize images. So basically you make a bad render, let AI fix it when you resize, and then you reduce the image again to hide the defects.
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No.64989
>>64986
>I prefer my girls to look like awkward dolls and every game having the same lazy uninspired style
Ok.
>3d has the better chance of success as people are leery to patron 2d games now
When checking the games on graphtreon the result is a different. Recent daz projects have a higher chance to end up abandoned and lower income after a couple months on average than drawn 2D games.
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No.64991
The ease that the DAZ provides is only illusory. As it generates realistic images, to make them acceptable, the creator must have a decent knowledge in many difficult aspects of photography, such as lighting, composition, etc. In addition, he must spend literally hours to position the characters decently, otherwise the human brain immediately realizes that something is wrong and the result is creepy.
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No.64992
>>64989
>Recent daz projects have a higher chance to end up abandoned and lower income after a couple months on average than drawn 2D games
This.
What the other faggot doesn't get is that DAZ is so easy to make that it isn't used to make art quicker, but to make more cons. Make 3D shit v0.1 on patreon with a "unique" setting, promise a lot of things, then disappear. You'll get at least 50 to 100$ on patreon for doing nothing monthly since that.
Other thing that faggot doesn't get is that most 3D shit games doesn't get updated as often. A New Home hasn't been updated for a while and shit like Dating my hell's spawn took months to release very few content.
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No.64994
More reddit spacing incoming just because you asked for it.
>>64987
>That haven't stopped Summertime Saga for being the biggest patreon, have it?
Summertime Saga has been around for ages. That's about the only way a 2D game is making money, they've been around. Daz games can make money out the door.
>Any proof for that other than the bias that comes from your lack of skills?
Look at any daz game, hell I'll say even look at any NEW daz game. At the VERY least, 50 renders. The daz games that have been going on for months generaly have 100-200 renders. Some of the biggest ones have 500 renders. 2d games are lucky to get 5 new CG's. Even ones like Summertime Saga add barely any content each release.
>>64989
>I prefer my girls to look like awkward dolls and every game having the same lazy uninspired style
And 2d is pretty much the same. Everyone copies Summertimes look, or Akabur's look. Or it's hilariously badly drawn.
>When checking the games on graphtreon the result is a different. Recent daz projects have a higher chance to end up abandoned and lower income after a couple months on average than drawn 2D games.
That's because there are SOOO many more daz games compared to 2d at least in the west. And the few 2d games that are here, that actually have been around for a while skew the stats as they're making massive bank. But there are so many Daz games making little, as so many new ones come out a month, that the ratio gets lowered. 2D games just aren't worth it as content is few and far between.
>>64992
>Make 3D shit v0.1 on patreon with a "unique" setting, promise a lot of things, then disappear. You'll get at least 50 to 100$ on patreon for doing nothing monthly since that.
As opposed to getting cash monthly for 2d content only to release some new content once every 3 months, and even then the content is lacking. There are like 2, maybe 3 2d content games that have reliable releases. And 2, maybe 3 2d content games with decent content.
>Other thing that faggot doesn't get is that most 3D shit games doesn't get updated as often. A New Home hasn't been updated for a while and shit like Dating my hell's spawn took months to release very few content.
If I only had two fingers I'd be able to count on one hand the number of 2d games that get monthly updates. Dating My Daughter was a monthly release, up until Patreon cracked down on Incest. Then they switched to a new game that gets a monthly release with DMD only getting content every 2 months now. And still the content it gets in those two months is 100x the amount most 2d games give you.
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No.64995
>>64994
Can't you bitch elsewhere, I want this to be a thread to show off artwork and improve it.
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No.64996
>>64995
Then fuck off with your "Daz3D is shit" comments. I never go into a thread and attack 2D, but 2d faggots ALWAYS need to spout their bullshit like the whiny cunts they are. I'm tired of their shit.
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No.64997
>>64994
>Let me do something wrong just to spite on you
Niggers are not allowed in this board.
>>64996
>stop shitting in my shit DAZ3D models :(
Daz is shit, kys, faggot.
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No.64998
>>64994
>And 2d is pretty much the same. Everyone copies Summertimes look, or Akabur's look. Or it's hilariously badly draw
They are still usually unique enough.
>And the few 2d games that are here, that actually have been around for a while skew the stats as they're making massive bank
I was talking about new games (~6 months). And yes as you say one reason for Daz games not doing as well is the flood of Daz games. Daz fans like you have hundreds of daz games they could support while 2D fans have only a couple. It's not really a surprise 2D games have it easier to reach a good income.
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No.64999
>>64988
You do loose out on some details however. The right foot, some detail in the hair and shadows on the skin for instance.
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No.65000
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No.65008
>>64997
>Thinks spacing between sentences is wrong.
Morons aren't allowed on this board.
>>64997
>Daz is shit, kys, faggot.
Daz is, and will always be better than 2d you weeaboo fucktard. Even the worst Daz models are better as it's STILL more realistic than cartoons. But I suppose that for fag like you if the character doesn't have giant fucking eyes, no noses and disappearing mouths it's hard to jerk off to it.
>>64998
>They are still usually unique enough.
No, they're not. Hence why you have people like Akabur commenting on games like Four Elements Trainer. There is pretty much the same variants in Daz games as there are in 2D games. It's just there's a lot more Daz games so it seems like they're all the same. But you have the anime style, a more realistic style, a more cell shaded style, and so on.
> It's not really a surprise 2D games have it easier to reach a good income.
They don't though. If the game is 2D and new, chances are it won't get much in the way of Patreon for a long ass time. As 2D is notorious for releasing ages a part and not having much content.
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No.65012
>>65008
>Doesn't know how to properly format on imageboards
So you're new too. Fuck off.
>If you don't like uncanny mannequins then you're a weeb
Anon, even if 2D didn't exist, DAZ is shit. This is not a matter of comparison, or how "2D is better than 3D", is a matter of it being shit, with shitty assets being stolen and used by everyone.
Fuck off, faggot. We can keep this till the thread reach bumplimit, but DAZ is and will always be shit.
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No.65013
>>65012
>>65008
You two can just diengage you know? You've shat up other threads but going back and forth for weeks in circles of autism.
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No.65015
>>65008
>But you have the anime style, a more realistic style, a more cell shaded style, and so on.
But anon no one is seriously using your alternative styles.
Just check this thread. Not a single one is trying to do something different.
>As 2D is notorious for releasing ages a part and not having much content.
Doesn't change 2D artists having a higher chance of success at the moment.
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No.65016
>>65013
I won't, because I want to make clear that Daz is shit. Seeing how Daz is being discussed in this thread, if he doesn't disengage, he is hurting Daz credibility. As for myself, I can keep going till he gets tired, because Daz is shit.
>>65015
Most of the other "styles" are not DAZ, is either illusion games or something other than DAZ. DAZ is only for uncanny horrors.
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No.65017
>>65016
So you're just going to ruin the thread because of an artstyle you don't like? You know how retarded that sounds?
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No.65018
>>65017
>So you're just going to ruin the thread because of an artstyle you don't like?
Yes
>You know how retarded that sounds?
Not nearly as retarded as people who likes DAZ.
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No.65020
3D is not bad. The problem is the DAZ3D and, especially, the people who make games in Daz3D. They use always the same generic models.
We needed more people who know how to make 3D models creating games…
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No.65039
>>65018
Fuck off to an actual gook board your weeaboo faggot.
>>65015
>Just check this thread. Not a single one is trying to do something different.
There are some games with different styles. But they're rare because people would rather have realism, at least in porn.
>>65015
>Doesn't change 2D artists having a higher chance of success at the moment.
Not really. It's stats. Not many 2D games, so chances are higher that they'll succeed. Countless Daz games, and people giving up lower the ratio. Over-all, better chance of making money off Daz much sooner.
>>65012
>So you're new too. Fuck off.
Nah faggot, I've been posting on image boards for a good long fucking while. I've always used "reddit" spacing because it's easier to read. Stop being an autistic cunt and get over it.
>but DAZ is and will always be shit.
No, shit daz is shit, like what you posted. But even that shit as Daz picture, 10x better than any 2d shit.
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No.65040
>>65020
We need people who will do more than simply, Choose character… done. Need them to alter the shit, so many daz games where people won't even try to change the models looks.
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No.65041
>>65039
>Implying all imageboards aren't gook
>Reddit spacing
Only yourself to blame, faggot. Even implying this isn't a korean picture wall, your DAZ shit is still shit.
>But they're rare because people would rather have realism
Only faggots would, in anything. Realism is shit, why would you try to imitate it when you can make it better?
>Not really. It's stats
Oh yeah? where are those stats? Are you just making them up? Because grapheon says otherwise.
>I've been posting on image boards for a good long fucking while
Not in this one, it seems. Also, Reddit is not an imageboard, also, your post is a bother to read, both because you're retarded and because of your spacing.
It's funny that you keep comparing DAZ to 2D, you keep bringing it up despite no one doing so. You don't need to compare 3D to 2D to call DAZ shit, because even without 2D, DAZ would still be shit.
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No.65043
Can someone please post more art for us to look to drown out these two retards.
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No.65046
>>65043
Hardly. Whether is 2D or 3D, usually western art is pretty shit.
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No.65048
>>65041
>Implying all imageboards aren't gook
They stopped being gook the minute they became English and the anime shit got phased out.
>your DAZ shit is still shit.
No. Shit Daz is shit, but even shit daz is still better than 2d.
>Realism is shit, why would you try to imitate it when you can make it better?
Holy fuck you're pathetic. OMG REAL LOOKING GIRLS…. RUN!. If you think cartoons are better, then you're as fucked as furfags and bronies. In which case, fuck off to one of their boards.
>Because grapheon says otherwise.
Except that's not true. Stop making shit up.
>Not in this one, it seems.
8ch for a while, /htg/ for about a year.
>Reddit is not an imageboard
Hate to break it to you sweetie, I was posting like this long before "reddit" became a meme, and I'm not even resisted with reddit. So like with your 2d shit, you're wrong again.
>your post is a bother to read, both because you're retarded and because of your spacing.
Says the pathetic weaboo faggot. Also, it's easier to read when people post proper sentence structures. Only an autistic faggot sees otherwise.
>It's funny that you keep comparing DAZ to 2D
And yet my first response in the 2d vs Daz was brought up ONLY when someone said Daz is shit, do 2D. So, like many other times in this topic, you're wrong.
>>65046
Then fuck off to some good board faggot.
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No.65049
>>65048
Sorry good meant to be in quotations.
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No.65053
>>65048
>They stopped being gook the minute they became English and the anime shit got phased out
But it wasn't. Even the better 3Dshit are illusion models, that not only tend to look like anime, but are japanese as well.
>Shit Daz is shit, but even shit daz is still better than 2d.
Why keep grasping to "DAZ > 2D"? Nobody is mentioning 2D other than you. DAZ is shit with or without 2D.
>OMG REAL LOOKING GIRLS
Says the faggot that jerks off to lifeless mannequins. If you like real girls so much why don't you step out of Reddit and find one yourself? Maybe then you'll stop longing for mannequins. Also, if you think this looks realistic, you may have problems yourself.
>Except that's not true
And where's your proof? 8 out of 10 top creators are 2D or text.
>8ch for a while, /htg/ for about a year.
If that was true you wouldn't keep Reddit spacing.
>I was posting like this long before "reddit" became a meme
>Sweetie
You reek of Reddit, no matter what you say. It shows.
>Also, it's easier to read when people post proper sentence structures.
What you do is separate individual sentences as if they were paragraph. I guess you dropped out school.
>like many other times in this topic, you're wrong.
>Everyone is wrong except me
Pathetic. Also, if you got "real artist" as interpretation of 2D or even anime, you must be really insecure with your shit taste.
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No.65058
>>65053
>Why keep grasping to "DAZ > 2D"? Nobody is mentioning 2D other than you. DAZ is shit with or without 2D.
I answered this, with "this started when someone said Daz is shit, learn to draw".
>Says the faggot that jerks off to lifeless mannequins.
And cartoons are lifelike? Are you retarded?
>And where's your proof? 8 out of 10 top creators are 2D or text.
"or text" There not. The top 10 adult game creators are neck and neck, 1/2 daz, 1/2 2d. And the 2d ones there are OLD games. I can't even find new (6 months) 2d games on there, but I can find new (6 months) daz ones.
>If that was true you wouldn't keep Reddit spacing.
I use it because 1: Proper. 2: Easier on the eyes. I don't give two shits what meme spouting, autistic fags like you think.
>Also, it's easier to read when people post proper sentence structures.
Yes, proper spacing "reeks of reddit" This is the typical "I have no argument so I will instead say "Reddit" therefore I win" argument.
>What you do is separate individual sentences as if they were paragraph.
I separate NEW paragraphs. Like how you ask a question, and I answer that question in a paragraph. I don't meld every question into one giant Paragraph. Also spacing between paragraphs or not spacing between paragraphs are both acceptable in the English language. Perhaps you dropped out of school.
>you must be really insecure with your shit taste.
Yes, wanting realism is "shit taste". God the smell of "neckbeard virgin" coming off you is palpable.
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No.65060
>>65058
>The top 10
>I can't even find new (6 months) 2d games on there, but I can find new (6 months) daz ones.
There is no game in the top 10 with 6 months age. The only one in the top 100 and max age of 6 months is (what else) a 2D game (TaffyTales).
Expanded to max 1 year old and top 100 again there is not a single Daz game but there are some more 2D ones.
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No.65061
>>65058
>I answered this, with
So? No one else have brought it since, and even if someone have or will, doesn't change the fact that DAZ is shit. You're just triggered.
>And cartoons are lifelike?
Yes.
>"or text" There not
>Fenoxo
>Not text
The rest of your shit is made up, you can literally just check graphtreon in a second to see how fucking stupid you are. And then, even after the first 10, literally all others are 2D and even text. Not a single 3D shit in sight in the top other than 2 or 3.
>1: Proper. 2: Easier on the eyes
1: Proper in reddit 2: It's an eyesore, you're just used to it from Reddit.
>proper spacing "reeks of reddit" This is the typical
But it isn't. Proper spacing would mean you use double space after an actual paragraph, not after a single sentence, like a retard. I imagine in real life every time you say something.
You stop and.
Then continue like a.
Retard.
>I separate NEW paragraphs
You don't. You can explain all your ideas in a single line, but you leave double space because you're used to do it in Reddit.
>I don't meld every question into one giant Paragraph
A paragraph consist of several lines, faggot. And that kind of separation only makes things harder to read, that's why they don't happen often with people that actually knows how to write.
>Yes, wanting realism is "shit taste"
Yes.
>God the smell of "neckbeard virgin" coming off you is palpable.
What else, my redditor friend? Are you going to call me an incel or a NPC?
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No.65068
Is there a market for big black booty?
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No.65074
>>65060
I was talking about top 10 adult games. (2D & Daz), I didn't bother counting non-daz or text games. Are you even looking at the same place? Cause if you are, you're fucking lying. The top selling adult game is Summertime Saga, right below it is Mr Dots with Dating My Daughter and Melody. And this trend continues with a popular 2D game, and then a popular Daz game throughout the top 10 basically being even. After that, you won't find a new (6 months) 2D game that is out patreoning a new (6 months) Daz game. That's because 2D games take a long while to build up a fan base, as they don't release a whole lot of content. It is as I said, easier to make money off Patreon because 1: You don't need to learn how to draw. 2: You don't need to pay for an artist. 3: You can create content much quicker (or that seems to be the case as 2D games take months to come out with 5 new CGs)
>>65061
>So? No one else have brought it since, and even if someone have or will, doesn't change the fact that DAZ is shit.
Ah the old, no they didn't but even if they did, you're wrong. Hard to win against the sticking your fingers in your ears and going "na na na can't hear you, you're wrong." defense. Also, you are wrong as other people (probably you since I think it's just me and you arguing) have brought it up in regards to popularity, in regards to money, etc.
>You're just triggered.
No. Triggered would be me going into a thread about art and bitching that 2D isn't art, or in your case bitching that Daz is shit, learn to draw. If you look back princess, you'll notice I didn't start this. I don't like 2D, but I'm not triggered enough to go into 2D threads to bitch and moan. So before you go about throwing out them meme words, ya might want to look in a mirror.
>The rest of your shit is made up, you can literally just check graphtreon in a second to see how fucking stupid you are.
I have, and I've stated what's listed. You're lying. You just don't like being called out on it. Go look at the top 10 adult creators, then games. Remove everything that isn't about this argument (Non-Daz, Non-3D) and you will find it's as I said it was.
>But it isn't. Proper spacing would mean you use double space after an actual paragraph, not after a single sentence, like a retard. I imagine in real life every time you say something.
Double Space is acceptable, but is most commonly used in Essays and Book Manuscripts. Do you even English?
>You stop and.
No I don't. You post a question. I answer the question. Then I space when answering OTHER QUESTIONS. Do you even English?
>but you leave double space because you're used to do it in Reddit.
I don't use Reddit, I've read a few articles there, but I have no account. This is how I have ALWAYS typed on forums and image boards. So stop with the "reddit spacing" simply because you're throwing a temper tantrum.
>A paragraph consist of several lines, faggot. And that kind of separation only makes things harder to read
For you maybe, but for me. It's easier on the eyes. I'm not going to do something I dislike simply because you're too butthurt to realize not everyone types the way you do. It's funny. You're the one who bitches about Daz, bitches about Western Games, bitches about spacing, and yet I'm the one that's "triggered"?
>What else, my redditor friend? Are you going to call me an incel or a NPC?
Says the guy also using meme words. At least I'm trying to use some variance. You keep going back to "reddit".
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No.65075
>>65074
Why so triggered, anon? Can't hahandle good taste people not liking lifeless abominations?
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No.65093
>>65075
And yet I'm not the one losing my shit about daz3D models, "reddit" spacing, or how shit western art is. Think ya need to look in the mirror dude.
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No.65097
>>65093
Dunno, anon, if I say 2D is better than 3D I'm sure you'll have an aneurysm.
Because 2D is better than 3D, particularly DAZ shit and you haven't really proved the contrary outside of autistically screeching and reddit spacing.
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No.65102
>>65097
>And yet I'm not the one losing my shit about daz3D models, "reddit" spacing, or how shit western art is. Think ya need to look in the mirror dude.
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No.65104
>>65102
I don't know, anon, you're so mad you fucked your greentext
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No.65105
>>65074
>The top selling adult game is Summertime Saga, right below it is Mr Dots with Dating My Daughter and Melody.
What do you understand as "top selling"?
Your list is off and neither works with patreon based or income based order. The order by patreon count (excluding non 2D/DAZ) is DarkCookie, Palmer, ICSTOR, MrDots and so on.
Post the names of a few 6 months old DAZ games you believed to be outperforming 2D games.
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No.65109
Hello, inspired by this thread I decided to try to use some different models of DAZ3D to check the potential, and I ended up enjoying the result with the "toon generations" models.
What do you think? Is it garbage or is it acceptable? And is it better to leave the girl with a slightly more adult appearance? I am worried because she is too much "loli" by western standards…
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No.65110
>>65109
They kind of look like Hugo. But great work on trying something different.
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No.65112
>>65109
There really is something uncanny about them. But keep trying with different rendering software, there's stuff out there that hasn't been used yet.
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No.65115
>>65110
>Hugo
What a blast from the past!
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No.65118
>>65109
More loli is always accepted
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No.65125
>>65020
>We needed more people who know how to make 3D models creating games…
This. DAZ is an extremely easy to use tool with a low barrier to entry, but it has the side effect of creating a lot of bad artwork. Since it's so easy to use, you have many people who are inexperienced cgartists, or not even cgartists at all, making games and creating mediocre content. A shit artist will always make shit art no matter what tools they use. To me it's similar to using garageband loops to make music. It's easier to get something that sounds like music, but that doesn't make it good.
Also, while I haven't used DAZ myself, many people say it and hexagon are pretty limited compared to other tools. That, the huge time save and the giant library of support/content leads to a quantity over quality situation. Porn only makes the situation worse since a lot of shit art will still make money since people are horny as fuck.
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