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What kind of a game should I make? Incest is obviously dead but what other genres/fetishes sell? What should the game have and what it shouldn't? What features people want and don't want? How often should it get updates? Is Renpy+Daz still the way to go or is there a better option? How much can I expect to make per month if I really dedicate myself to the game?
I'm a comedy/writer director by trade but I need money and making a porn game seems like a fun way to rake in some cash that I can funnel towards my other creative interests.
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No.59521
>>59520
It's more like it's a fact niggers are apathetic and don't care beyond their own noses. Just like you do, nigger.
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No.59525
>>59521
lol niggers are *insert here* is your response, yeah not surprising
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No.59526
>>59525
Says the nigger who can't read.
>lol
Yeah, definitively a nigger.
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No.59612
>>59525
>loli niggers
where?
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No.60031
Realistically, how much porn content do I need for my first game to be successful on patreon?
2D obviously.
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No.60032
>>49264
Only a cuck would pay for porn, so it makes sense.
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No.60036
>>60031
I recommend at least one sex scene with some main character.
But most important in a demo is that it makes the player:
>1. understand how the game mechanics will work
>2. glimpse the true potential of the game when it has more content
If you make a demo that's just a prologue in visual novel style, but your game is going to be a dating sim, then your demo sucks, because it will not make the player understand what it is about nor become enthusiastic about the possibilities.
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No.60708
>>60036
>one sex scene
>successful on patreon
?
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No.60714
>>60032
t. poor mexican nigger
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No.72469
>>45840
Why is incest dead
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No.72479
>>72469
Patreon banned it, which was about the only good thing they've ever done. I was getting tired of every single project focusing on fucking the protagonist's mother.
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No.72482
>>72479
>They did right in censoring things I don't like!
Kill yourself, anon.
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No.72485
>>72479
This. Just wish they were more inquisitive since many of them blatantly makes incest mods.
>>72482
Nah you kill yourself. Incest was stagnating the whole market and made it so less original games were made. Not to mention in games where characters content is decided by polls, incest characters hogging all scenes because of the many inbred fucks chiming in.
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No.72487
>>72485
>Incest was stagnating the whole market and made it so less original games were made
Oh yeah, and now it's certainly better, isn't it, faggot? What with all the non-related house tenants and Cluck games. Truly an improvement.
Kill yourself, pro censorship faggot.
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No.72490
>>72487
It is better. Now these games have more interesting settings with much better characters.
As for the tenant stuff as i said Patreon should be harsher to people that try to play them like fools.
Censorship in this case was good.
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No.72491
>>72490
>Now these games have more interesting settings with much better characters
<All games are Cluckshit now to cash on the second biggest market on patreon
Name a single game so I can laugh my ass off. Even after the incest breakdown all top games remained the same, they only changed "Mom" to "Unrelated tenant", and Patreon will do nothing because it's not against the rules.
>Censorship in this case was good.
Ah… Clucks are so pathetic.
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No.72493
>>72491
<All games are Cluckshit now to cash on the second biggest market on patreon
They're not, though, since NTR tends to piss the majority off.
>Censorship in this case was good.
Anyone dumb enough to argue shit things should be tolerated ought to kill himself. Would you be such a champion of freedom of speech if they banned NTR next?
I know I wouldn't.
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No.72496
>>72493
>They're not, though, since NTR tends to piss the majority off.
Tell that to Clucks of chaos. And you still have not mentioned a game, because I'm willing to bet any game you want to mention any changed to tenants or has Cluckolding, or both.
>Would you be such a champion of freedom of speech if they banned NTR next?
Yes. Shit things should be socially rejected, but not banned, because that would only make those things prevail even more, such as the prohibition of incest changing to be totally not related tenants. The prohibition barely changed a thing.
NTR shouldn't be outright banned, but it should be shit on, only spineless Clucks outcry to enforce prohibition of things they don't like, instead of enforcing it's rejection themselves.
When patreon jews decide to ban porn altogether you won't be able to cry because you are already advocating for censorship. It's the slippery slope.
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No.72498
>>72496
>quoting the race traitor and zogbot supreme
Hilarious.
>And you still have not mentioned a game
I'm not the same dude.
>I'm willing to bet any game you want to mention any changed to tenants or has Cluckolding, or both.
Yeah, there's games that suddenly changed characters to tenants, but that's their own fault for shoving incest into every project. As for the Cluckshit, I wouldn't know since I avoid those games like the plague.
>NTR shouldn't be outright banned
Yes, it should, and anyone that masturbates to it dragged onto the streets and shot in public.
>When patreon jews decide to ban porn altogether
We can only that happens, because then only dedicated developers that actually want to release a finished product will stay around, or someone will just make a Porn Patreon and people will be free to come up with more degenerate shit.
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No.72499
>>72498
>quoting the race traitor and zogbot supreme
Not at that point.
>I'm not the same dude.
Well, go ahead and mention one yourself if the banning was so good, then. Because after the banning, there are actually far more games with Cluckshit.
>Yeah, there's games that suddenly changed characters to tenants, but that's their own fault for shoving incest into every project
That's not really the point, faggot, the point is that the ban doesn't serve for anything but force devs to convoluted plots, because ban or not, it will keep happening. I should know, I already posted 2 of my incest games on patreon and they are still there.
>As for the Cluckshit, I wouldn't know since I avoid those games like the plague.
You should avoid all games, then. Again, mention just one.
>Yes, it should, and anyone that masturbates to it dragged onto the streets and shot in public
You don't need to ban it to do the second, because if you do the second, you wouldn't need to ban it.
>because then only dedicated developers that actually want to release a finished product will stay around.
Or hacks will stick to patreon and porn games will decrease dramatically, hacks or not.
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No.72501
>>72499
>Not at that point.
>fought against Hitler and killed countless of his own brothers
>wakes up in the future and has nothing to say about rampant miscegenation, gay marriages and Jewish over-representation
Pathetic.
>there are actually far more games with Cluckshit.
[citation needed]
>but force devs to convoluted plots
Nobody forced them to shit out so much incest crap.
>I already posted 2 of my incest games on patreon and they are still there.
Ah, that explains it, you're one of the subhumans. You're a Cluck too most likely.
>because if you do the second, you wouldn't need to ban it
It's the principle of the thing. You kill the idea but also the carries of the idea, and then for good measure you destroy any piece of media that promotes the idea. Memetic cleansing basically.
>Or hacks will stick to patreon and porn games will decrease dramatically, hacks or not.
And that's bad why? 99% of the games are low-effort garbage pandering to the most disgusting subhumans that want to fuck their mothers and see others fuck their mothers. Nothing of value will be lost.
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No.72502
>>72501
>fought against Hitler and killed countless of his own brothers
I said not at that point because in that point it is revealed that he was an Hydra agent all along, faggot. But I'm not surprised you are talking about things you don't know nor understand.
>[citation needed]
Take a look at the board, faggot. You have Long Live the Princess, WITCH hunter, Monster Girl Island, Dandy Boy Adventures, Princess and Conquest, Subverse, Taffy Tales, Superpowered. And want to know the ironic part? Some of those games still have incest.
>Nobody forced them to shit out so much incest crap
Yeah, but they are forced not to, and they still do. You think that the lack of incest would automatically make better stories, but you still have not mentioned a single good game that both lacks incest or NTR and it's patreon.
>Ah, that explains it, you're one of the subhumans. You're a Cluck too most likely.
More like I have enough money for my rent doing what I like, and no, my game has no Cluckshit, unlike most patreon games that avoid incest.
>You kill the idea but also the carries of the idea, and then for good measure you destroy any piece of media that promotes the idea
The church didn't need to ban wrong ideas, they killed people with wrong ideas, you know why? Because ideas don't die, but people who have them do, so even if you have that idea, if you know the people with those ideas die, you wouldn't do them. That's why there's still plenty of incest on patreon, including my games. Want to get rid of it? Shit on incest all you want, but seeing how popular it is, no wonder you resort to rule enforcement like a Cluck instead of shitting on it until they leave like it's always done with Clucks. After all, there's plenty of great incest game in this very board alone, like Incestral Awakening.
>And that's bad why?
Because other potential games will suffer from it. But I guess your Cluck game doesn't get this.
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No.72503
>>72502
>because in that point it is revealed that he was an Hydra agent all along, faggot
Oh boy, how ignorant of me to not keeping up with capeshit after it has been thoroughly pozzed for more than a decade. How will I live with myself?
>Long Live the Princess, WITCH hunter, Monster Girl Island, Dandy Boy Adventures, Princess and Conquest, Subverse, Taffy Tales, Superpowered
Most of those had Cluckshit well before the ban on incest.
>Some of those games still have incest.
Patreon are being lazy shits? You don't say.
>but you still have not mentioned a single good game that both lacks incest or NTR and it's patreon
I don't know why you have this fixation with me naming a game when the whole discussion is about the fact the obsession with incest kept producing the same stories over and over again.
>unlike most patreon games that avoid incest.
>thinks a focus on incest somehow precludes a focus on NTR
>when the whole discussion was about the fact that the majority of Patreon games have incest
>thus following that most NTR games are also incest games
Let me guess, you're actually an inbred IRL.
>they killed people with wrong ideas
They didn't though. But good job beveling Jewish historical revisionism. Next you'll tell me they bullied Galileo for his ideas, and not because he was a rude asshole to the Pope.
>Because ideas don't die
Man, why not just quote Harry Potter while you're at it? You've already done it with Captain America and V for Vendetta, you gotta step up your game here.
>That's why there's still plenty of incest on patreon, including my games.
There's still plenty because Patreon stopped giving a shit once they were done virtue signaling. You're their best paypigs.
>but seeing how popular it is
Yeah, because we all know it's popular, just like NTR and furry, and totally has nothing to do with the fact inbreds, Clucks and furries are the ones actually desperate enough to throw money at developers because nobody would make filth for them otherwise.
>Because other potential games will suffer from it. But I guess your Cluck game doesn't get this.
What a tragedy, less shit Western games focusing on motherfucking and NTR. Whatever shall I do with myself?
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No.72504
>>72503
>Oh boy, how ignorant of me to not keeping up with capeshit after it has been thoroughly pozzed for more than a decade. How will I live with myself?
Yeah, and your option is talking about shit you probably hear from your normalfag friends and talk about it as if it was a fact even if you are, in fact wrong, like the rest of your post. Admitting to be an ignorant is the first step to fix yourself, Cluck.
>Most of those had Cluckshit well before the ban on incest
And they still have both. See how the ban is pointless? Whether for incest or Cluckshit. But you know what's the difference? Cluckshit was kicked out of this board.
>Patreon are being lazy shits? You don't say
Yeah, changing mom to tenant is pretty easy and lazy. And I mean it. But it's still there.
>I don't know why you have this fixation with me naming a game when the whole discussion is about the fact the obsession with incest kept producing the same stories over and over again
That the ban have made no difference. That's why I insist, name a single game since then that is interesting without incest or NTR. You can't. You know why? Because nothing have changed. Even Dating My Daughter was back.
>thinks a focus on incest somehow precludes a focus on NTR
Yes, because NTR is the second biggest group in patreon in patreon after Incest. Without incest, what do you think devs will pander to? With incest NTR will be done for. Don't believe me? Take a look at Summertime Saga. The not-mom and not-sister keep winning polls and the NTR polls get fucked, you know why? Because incest beats NTR.
>when the whole discussion was about the fact that the majority of Patreon games have incest
And guess what, they still do. And the ones that don't are Cluckshit. But you are free to prove me wrong, Cluck.
>But good job beveling Jewish historical revisionism
>Inquisition is not an historical fact
>Implying the church is the word of god and not a misguided attempt controlled by imperfect men
>Implying the church is not ran by jews
Heh. Dante says hi.
>why not just quote Harry Potter while you're at it?
>A fictional book says so it's not valid
Let's stop breathing because characters in Harry Potter breads. I didn't even know that quote was from V from Vendetta, but for all I know you might be wrong without posting any proof.
>You're their best paypigs
It pays the bill by doing something I like and buttblast faggots like you. Both my games have incest, and there's nothing you can do about it.
>because we all know it's popular, just like NTR and furry, and totally has nothing to do with the fact inbreds
ExHentai is back. This really void your "Argument".
>What a tragedy, less shit Western games focusing on motherfucking and NTR
Except, you know, there are more games focusing on NTR now and less focusing in motherfucking, so the new western games released will be NTR. But seeing how you are a Cluck, I'm sure you are ok with it, so no surprise you surprise the ban of incest.
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No.72506
>>72504
>Yeah, and your option is talking about shit you probably hear from your normalfag friends and talk about it as if it was a fact
Because a recent retcon to further demonize white male characters somehow negates 50+ years of established character traits. I'm sorry I stopped giving a shit about Western comics a long time ago, like basically everyone else with a shred of self-respect, but I guess sucking Marvel's cock is no different from sucking Patreon's cock, is it? Masochism is masochism after all.
>See how the ban is pointless?
Patreon will eventually do another crackdown once the money you're making them outweighs their public image. That you're so stupid not to grasp this simple fact is beyond pathetic. Hell, the fact you still hang around a platform that banned you and make them money is fucking hilarious.
>But it's still there.
All you and your fellow inbreds are proving is how lazy you are. Radically altering the relationship between two characters seems to not influence how they interact one bit, thus proving that inbreds are the same kind of pathetic paypigs as Clucks, willing to throw money at any low-effort faggot that is willing to whore himself out for them.
And this brings us back to the initial statement, that incest games are all the same and a net detriment to creativity.
>name a single game since then that is interesting without incest or NTR
Whatever game I name you'll dismiss out of hand because it does not align with your retarded argument.
>Without incest, what do you think devs will pander to?
Are you genuinely fucking retarded? Serious question. The fact you can't grasp that the pools aren't exclusive makes me think you're a few IQ points short of room temperature. There's nothing stopping devs from making incest and NTR content in the same game, and we have plenty of examples of this fact.
This bizarre idea you have that pandering to inbreds somehow keeps Clucks away is beyond moronic.
>And guess what, they still do.
And most of those also feature NTR.
>And the ones that don't are Cluckshit.
>a game can only be incest or Cluckshit, never both
>ignores pretty much every Patreon game in existence
>Heh. Dante says hi.
Dante wasn't persecuted for the book he wrote, but because he engaged in a political struggle, and died of natural causes. The fact he could write a book mocking Popes just goes to show how much credibility your argument has, or how much you actually know about history. But hey, it's more important to keep up with the newest Marvel pozzload.
> didn't even know that quote was from V from Vendetta, but for all I know you might be wrong without posting any proof.
Say hi to all the heresies and religions throughout history that ceased to be. You can kill ideas just fine, it happens all the time.
>It pays the bill by doing something
So does sucking nigger cocks for Jews.
>there are more games focusing on NTR now and less focusing in motherfucking
But you yourself said the ban did nothing.
>so the new western games released will be NTR
So, nothing has changed? Instead of two shit fetishes they'll only feature one? Changes nothing for me since either or both make me uninterested in the shit you're peddling.
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No.72509
>>72506
>Because a recent retcon to further demonize white male characters somehow negates 50+ years of established character traits
Yes it does, specially at the point of that quote that was supposed to be demonized, but guess what, doesn't make it any wrong. But keep being wrong at all points in you argument. I'm not saying you should be interested in western comics, but you should really stop talking about shit you don't understand. I don't think your brain have enough capacity to understand even this easy things.
>Patreon will eventually do another crackdown once the money you're making them outweighs their public image
And Incest will be back after that just like it did before. So? See how pointless it is?
>you still hang around a platform that banned you and make them money is fucking hilarious.
It makes me money on something I like, and it furthers prove how bans are pointless. If incest wouldn't give me any money in a platform that banned incest, I wouldn't use it.
>Radically altering the relationship between two characters seems to not influence how they interact one bit
Because it doesn't have to, it's just there for a coat, and my game doesn't even do that. Even if patreon tried to do another crackdown on incest, I could just do a minimum change and come back, people would still pay me and I would still live out off it.
>that incest games are all the same and a net detriment to creativity.
I'm sorry your Cluckshit alternative is eclipsed by incest.
>Whatever game I name you'll dismiss out of hand because it does not align with your retarded argument.
Or because it's incest, NTR and patreon. It's not hard to admit you are wrong, anon. Because you are.
>The fact you can't grasp that the pools aren't exclusive makes me think you're a few IQ points short of room temperature
Well, if this is true, where is your proof? This whole board is proof of Cluck games increasing by the lack of incest, while incest games are still being done, if not as often. So this proves that incest ban doesn't work and that incest decrease only makes more Cluck games. You still have no proof how "Incest is a detriment to creativity" when devs get creative to go around the incest ban while still being incest.
>And most of those also feature NTR
Again, pointing out how the incest crackdown is retarded and how those games have more incest scenes than NTR scenes. Want a good example? Taffy Tales. Still a shit game, but perfect for proving you wrong, to the dismay of the Cluck dev.
>ignores pretty much every Patreon game in existence
There is a highchance that incest games don't have any kind of Cluckshit. Incestral Awakening and Snow Daze are proof of this.
>Dante wasn't persecuted for the book he wrote
I never said he was. I mentioned it because Dante was so successful that the jews in the church could do nothing about it, other than keeping him out of their sight. The only reason the book passed was because the jews didn't quite understood the content.
>Say hi to all the heresies and religions throughout history that ceased to b
Seeing how shitskins still praise Allah, You are pretty wrong. Prove me wrong otherwise. Except you can't, as usual.
>So does sucking nigger cocks for Jews
I'm sorry you have to suck nigger dicks, but I make games that I like.
>But you yourself said the ban did nothing.
Nothing on incest, but it does help your Cluck games.
>Changes nothing for me since either or both make me uninterested in the shit you're peddling.
>I just close my eyes and everything is right
The perfect close for a shit post.
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No.72510
Autism has reached extratospheric levels in this thread.
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No.72512
>>72510
With faggots defending censorship, what can you expect?
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No.72513
>Because a recent retcon to further demonize white male characters somehow negates 50+ years of established character traits
The problem with the characters today is that the people who are creating the games are no longer those old men with life experience and who were educated in the classics.
The creators today are inexperienced guys who learned everything from Hollywood movies, comics and American series. They learned from the lowest and most retarded form of entertainment possible.
So they always repeat the same stereotypes thinking that this is how characters are created correctly. And when they do that, they end up reproducing the narrative from intelligentsia without realizing it. The Summertime Saga is the greatest example of this case, from the whites in the countryside being portrayed as human trash to the Catholic religion as a cult of hypocritical fanatics. The author of this game would make the Holywood writers proud.
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No.72514
>>72513
I learned by watching animeeeee and reading mangaku
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No.72515
>>72513
So you're saying they just fall for popular writing without giving themselves their own twist?
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No.72518
>>45840
patreon is a scam place so either steal a bank or scam grannies is almost the same.
most people that donate money to patreon adukt content creator are 12 to 14 year old kids that stole daddy or mommy credit card is the sad truth of patreon reason of why they request credit card number when you try to donate money through paypal direct transfer even when you have funds they asked for credit card (i had 500 dollars in my paypal)
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No.72519
>>72513
most of those authors are just lazy people that dont want to work,reason of delays is they are millenials so give them everything dont criticize them they will get hurt,dont make bad comments they get hurt,if they are delayed well wait more time.
If OP is asking about patreon he is trying to find the formula to milk money from most people without delivering a shit.
OP if you are a comedy director you have money since most of those people make half a million year or maybe you are a retarde throwing away a half million wage a year for maybe if you are lucky 3 thousand a year if you dont have luck maybe 7 dollars a year
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No.72543
>>72491
Hentasia Rod of Power is great.
So is Space Paws.
Succubus Covenant has lots of potential.
Once Taffy Tales was hit with the ban hammer it turned into a decent game.
Tower of Trample is good too.
And there are some 3dcg games too but im mainly a 2d guy.
Patreon will eventually get to it, at least to the blatant people.
>>72496
Says the guy posting in a board that censors people for posting their fetishes that faggots like you dont like (Like complaining about people talking about fetishes you dont like in their containment threads and spamming shit to derail). How is that any different from censorship? You are a fag hypocrite.
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No.72544
>>72543
>Good game
>Furshit
>Cluckshit
>Cluckest of Cluck games only second to Clucks of Chaos that still has incest on it
>Game that existed before the ban
>3D shit.
Kill yourself.
>Says the guy posting in a board that censors people for posting their fetishes that faggots like you dont like
I've never seen tropic banning fetishes. If you were right, threads like Clucky Tales and Cluck of Chaos wouldn't exist.
>Like complaining about people talking about fetishes you dont like in their containment threads and spamming shit to derail
Did you even read my post? This is enforcing rejection. People obviously hate this shit so much that even though you are allowed to post about it here, you are not able to discuss it. This is the way it should be done.
>How is that any different from censorship?
You still have the chance to expose your shit fetish, but people will openly stone you for doing so, and you can try to fight back as much as you want, as you are doing right now.
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No.72545
>>72519
There's porn Patreon projects that make $10,000+ a month for minimal effort, so it can be a sweet gig.
Sadly, most people working on these projects are retarded and keep shitting in the same cesspit instead of trying to find a different niche, and then wonder why their incest game isn't raking in the money when there's at least 50 other equally uninspired turds, using the same models, featuring the same character archetypes and pandering to the same inbred audience.
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No.72552
>>72544
No what you advocate is for people with a particular fetish not getting their rightto discuss them because autists like you hate it and then spam the threads inan attempt to silence any discussion about them. And that shows you are willing to censor anyone that has a fetish you dont like. No one buys your alleged anticensorship stance.
Thats why you get NTR.
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No.72554
>>72552
You have your right to discuss it, faggot. You ARE discussing it right now. But people is also in the right to shit in your shit fetish.
You seem to be upset about the fact that NTR is shitted on in this board. Where on earth will you be able to be a Cluck now?
>And that shows you are willing to censor anyone that has a fetish you dont like
Really now? Am I deleting your posts? Am I somehow in your way of you posting your shit fetish? You can do it, anon. The consequences are completely out of my hands.
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No.72566
>>72554
NTR is posted because people want it if you dont like it go to 4chan there you can be a troll as long as you want and shitstorm as much as you want you shitty x men game that no one cares about.
besides you seem to misundertand betwen reality and 2d since normally things people like in fiction is just that fiction they wont do it in real life this is why is called fetish
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No.72568
>>72566
>go to 4chan
nah.
>NTR is posted because people want it
Yes, Clucks.
>you seem to misundertand betwen reality and 2d
No, I just don't like reading/watching/playing NTR.
>normally things people like in fiction is just that fiction
And I don't like that fiction, and have the right to criticize it, and the Clucks that do like it.
>they wont do it in real life
So?
>this is why is called fetish
A fetish is just a niche sexual activity you're into, doesn't matter if it's fiction or irl.
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No.72570
>>72566
Nobody wants you, just like nobody wants kikes. And guess what you also have in common? You're both going into the gas chamber together.
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No.72571
>>72566
You sound like an F95 poster. Why haven't you been banned yet?
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No.72572
>>72554
If you had the power you would do it because you cant stand people talking about a fetish you dont like even when they are containing it in a thread that you could easily ignore but instead you enter the thread in order to derail the topic or outright making the people on those forums leave. And thats just because you dont have modding powers which you would otherwise use to censor that discussion.
Gladly incest is being the one being censored and no ammount of patches will change that. Enjoy more NTR in the future.
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No.72573
>>72572
>If you had the power you would do it
Nice implications. Kill yourself, anon.
>B-but muh containment thread!
Ah, so you are that autist. Cry harder. There are plenty of other places to talk about Cluckolding. This one isn't one of them, and even then, you have your shitty containment threads that become shitposting generals because nobody likes your fetish. If you don't like it fuck off.
>Gladly incest is being the one being censored and no ammount of patches will change that
Except a lot of patches have? A lot of new patreon games still implement incest, including my own games.
>Enjoy more NTR in the future.
I'm glad you acknowledge the connection between less incest = more NTR.
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No.72574
>>72572
>Enjoy more NTR in the future.
Only someone who doesn't have any self respect is able to enjoy NTR. And I am writing this on this shitty imageboard. Shame on you, faggot.
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No.72575
>>72570
>>72571
why the guy spamming the same shit over and over don't get banned.
i don't understand go to 4chan.
everyone knows you are bumping the shitty games of x-men and four element trainer,keep your shit away from first page nobody cares about those games
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No.72576
>>72568
fetish is a sexual affliction for inanimated objects.
search the dictionary is quite usefull oohh yes i forgot you are illiterate bastards.
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No.72577
>>72575
Because he is a hero.
>>72576
>Arguing semantics
Pathetic.
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No.72579
>>72575
>i don't like the x-men game and four element trainer, therefore no one likes them and they shouldn't be in front page
>B-but muh censorship you guuuys, i'm being opressed and kinkshamed reeeeeeee
I like them, the anons bumping those threads like them, and we'll keep bumping them to the first page whether you like it or not you hypocrite Cluck.
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No.72582
>>72579
>>72577
retarded
retarded everywhe bumping shit.
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