/hikki/ - Hikikomori

>>2045

>more truer and purer social friendship than the friendships and mating rituals developed by the common outside

I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

From your explanation, you have three groups:

1. "Nice" normies

2. Judgmental normies

3. Hikkis

Some hikkies get pulled by the 1st out of the hikkie-lifestyle, some get pushed further into it by 2nd, some succeed and pull from 1 and 2 to 3.

But that's the same dynamic as with any other group, right? So what is purer or deeper about it?

Apologies if I've missed something obvious here.

Not that I disagree with you, btw. I think giving up the popularity contest that is the world means you only actually spend time with people that you actually like rather than people that appear useful.

> But that's the same dynamic as with any other group, right?

I disagree but this is my personal criticism with the normie meme, it is akin to simplifying the African American man from the White Supremacists and the "nice" Racists.

If we simplify the group dynamics like that, we dilute the "hard activism" of someone like Malcolm X to the "mainstream message" of MLK Jr.

In the same way to answer this:

> So what is purer or deeper about it?

I believe we have to disengage from diversive memes and look at it from the evolutionary perspective of:

> How you make more of yourself.

We must sacrifice questioning the quote though and assume it is somewhat valid. At least for the conclusion to work.

How does one make more of one self per the demands of evolution?

On one aspect, we can look at it from a popularity contest.

On another aspect, we can look at it from a mating aspect.

On another aspect, we can look at it from a group forming aspect.

Let's focus on the third. My conclusion hinges on the fact that if we won't reproduce sexually or (per the rules of the popularity contest) "searchingly" then our evolutionary needs either must convert to an unhealthy one (that is the unnatural way of thinking) or…(and this is my conclusion)

Evolution-wise, we are living in a life style where we have the opportunity to return back to the natural way of befriending and mating which is akin to cavemen or pioneers in seeking a distant land versus a closer compromise of unhealthy friends and mates.

The key word here being opportunity and the land here being either the anonymous part of the internet OR (in offline analogy) the classic "princess in a tower" damsel in distress way of curating mating partners and friends.

This isn't without its flaws though but once again I would like to emphasize that this is more of a question of whether this line of thinking helps with depression or not while living an isolated lifestyle.

tl;dr: Which movie helps us move on. (Where movie equals our interpretation of the world)

If we play the popularity contest movie, we have to play the role of the unpopular one.

If we play it from the evolutionary perspective (based on the quote that our biology is concerned with making more of ourselves), then can it not "inspire" us to "aspire" more?

This isn't limited to motivational thinking though.

Let's go back to your question of:

> that's the same dynamic as with any other group, right?

What if this line of thinking can produce a new lead? A new connection where we differ from the dynamics of other groups?

Just a what if (for now).

Then can we start dropping the normies category when we compare ourselves as hikikomori to non-hikikomori?

Initially it doesn't seem that helpful but what if we compare ourselves to poor digital nomad dreamers? They are not normies. What if instead of looking at ourselves as some form of hermit that is "pulled" by society or "pushed away" by society - we look at it from the lens of living naturally.

How are our lifestyle living naturally? What if evolution has a purpose for us that doesn't run counter to living naturally?

When it all comes down to it though, it's a question of purpose.

A purpose isn't an ideal lifestyle. It's just a road to an ideal lifestyle. Something like a goal but not quite like a goal. Something like a vision but not as generic to everyone.

What if we're just a group waiting to succeed? What is a version of the hikikomori lifestyle that counts as a success? Is that success, evolution? And if it is, evolution, is it leading to something good or bad for us? What if it leads to something good but we just haven't figured it out?

(Unfortunately here's the problem with focusing on simple dual dynamics: To a normie being a success isn't being a normie. To a hikikomori: far too often I read success is in being pulled out of the lifestyle. Give and take how pulled out means based on going outside duration or something. This line of thinking doesn't jive well with the quote or my conclusion.)

>>2054

> Isn't one of the main reasons why this board exists is because some NEET have adopted the hikikomori term?

Yes there too many ignorant people online who don't know the true meaning of hikikomori for example look at the hikkichan Discord server nobody in that server is a genuine hikikomori they are all just a bunch of normalfag NEETS who still go outside and hang out with their friends and do social activities those wannabe posers think it's nothing more than just a meme and a joke they also shit up the hikkichan website as well hell i have also seen some people say that hikikomori means going your own way like MGTOW which is ridiculous so yes i created this board to help real actual hikkis get away from all the cancer and give us a place to talk.

>Isnt Welcome To The NHK. considered a trendy anime?

Not really while it does have a decent sized fanbase it's not trendy or mainstream and loved by all normalfags like Pokemon and Death Note also the majority of the NHK. fanbase are otaku NEETs and hikkis basically people who can relate to it similar to the Watamote fanbase.

>That there's some evolutionary purpose to why we chose this lifestyle

>we chose

No. I am not living the life I want and I am not able to live the life I want. I did not chose this, I was born into this.

>>2048

Even my own existence as a hikikomori is a product of this decadence btw. In tougher times I would have simply died as an infant and that would have been so much more just. On the one hand some people's lives aren't being ruined by poor sewage management and the spread of diseases that cripple them and nobody's hands are getting chopped off for thieving and so on. On the other hand the National Socialists were crushed by a disgusting and scheming race of mongrelized gremlins (jews) and because of that we are stopped now from exterminating the fuck ups. There are two kinds of fuck ups / invalids in this world; the one that hates their self and wishes they were better and the kind that revels in how disgusting and horrible they are. The jew is the later and it's thanks to these kikes that think so much of themselves and their self-worth that now genuinely sentient people like me get trapped in this world in dysfunctional bodies. I wish the gremlins could just indulge their scat and baby dick foreskin fetishes and so on without imposing their sick way of life on the aryan.

>>2048

Of course the susceptibility of the aryan man to fall for jewish tricks is a big issue. However at this point it has reached an apex. Good goys don't breed or they create disgusting dead-end mongrels. The only whites that will be left are the "racist" ones that didn't fall for the jew tricks, the whole next generation of whites will be the most hardcore redpilled ever.

>>2048

Still I don't know or understand what horrible cosmic circumstances made me born into this body, in this world, and this time. Even if this world fixed or fixes itself what's there to stop me from being born again? It happened once and it will happen again. There is some kind of process behind this and until I understand it properly I will not be able to guarantee a rebirth for myself into better circumstances. I might be born as some even more disgusting creature in the next life, something wretched indeed…. or who knows I might be born in a better world and with a much more desirable body. I don't know how the process works but I doubt it's random and I doubt it's moral or takes into account human concerns. There is some science behind this and I must figure it out before I die.

>>2067

>>2058

Going back to the topic: (sorry if I ended up ignoring some of your posts)

Victims of circumstances or not, evolution is a system that is portrayed as not caring whether someone is a victim or a conqueror or even a hunter or a gatherer. It's supposed to be, pardon the statement, an evolution (a pathway) towards something.

I apologize if this is obvious but the trajectory of this thread seems to have headed elsewhere ranging from sociology to racism to the focus on a simple sentence regarding Welcome to NHK without agreeing or disagreeing with the content of the hypothesis.

>>2076

Having threads a little bit off topic is fine as long as they are not off topic completely also keep in mind if it gets too hostile in this thread i am going to delete it because i don't want any kind of hostility on a comfy board for hikkis.

>>2078

Understood.

>>2045

You have an interesting "hypothesis", but I have no opinion as yet, you never know what will actually happen these days. The pecking order is going through an societal upheaval. It seems all cultural groups are scrambling for what they view as a better position, on what exactly I'm not sure, except that tomorrow will be different, maybe. Sometimes everything has to change so that everything

can remain the same :)

I'm reading God's Debris by the same author, available for free. I just started

so I'll let you know what I think later after a better picture emerges. If you don't have it I left a link below.

Introduction:

This is not a Dilbert book. It contains no humor. I call it a

132-page thought experiment wrapped in a fictional story.

I’ll explain the thought experiment part later.

God’s Debris doesn’t fit into normal publishing cubby-

holes. There is even disagreement about whether the mate-

rial is fiction or nonfiction. I contend that it is fiction because

the characters don’t exist. Some people contend that it is

nonfiction because the opinions and philosophies of the char-

acters might have lasting impact on the reader.

The story contains no violence, no sexual content, and

no offensive language. But the ideas expressed by the char-

acters are inappropriate for young minds. People under the

age of fourteen should not read it.

The target audience for God’s Debris is people who

enjoy having their brains spun around inside their skulls.

direct download:

http://images.ucomics.com/images/pdfs/sadams/godsdebris.pdf

~enjoy and take care

>>2183

Thank you for the gift.

>>2183

Thanks for the link anon.

>>2184

>>2201

Welcome :)

>>2045

Okay, having reviewed everything presented here,

I'm ready to offer an opinion. But I don't want to defend

or offend any position or argument. I only offer this for

your consideration, take care friends.

This is a quote from https://www.theopensecret.com/

>In this apparent world, the state of individuality is accepted as normal. For the individual, self-awareness is a constant confirmation of individual existence.

“I am aware that I am, and I am aware that you are, together with everything else that is happening. I am also aware that I am in a story in which I have free will and choice”.

This seems to be the individual’s established reality. However, it seems that, at this time, long established beliefs about reality are beginning to unravel.

Hidden within what appears to be the history of spiritual seeking can be found reference to the possibility of the separate self being illusory.

More recently, research by neuroscientists and others has established that the idea of there being a separate individual with free will and choice is illusory, but is maintained by the function of self-awareness. There has been much communication about these radical and surprising discoveries through the media, but with hardly any interest or reaction from the general public.

In what is seen in the story as part of the evolutionary process, the brain has generated a sense of self to bring about a partnership which can apparently create a primary animal, powerful and intelligent enough to control and dominate what is assumed to be a dualistic and threatening world.

For the process of a dominant self to emerge, the accumulation of knowledge seems very important, and so personal awareness would be a built-in function. For awareness to function it needs something apart to be aware of, i.e. “I know I am sitting on a chair” or “I know I am splitting the atom”. This individual capacity to be aware of and know apparently brings with it the opportunity to manipulate and dominate the world it lives in and also, perhaps, to satisfy its needs. However, none of these individual activities and efforts to make life better seem to bring self-satisfaction or a contentment that is constant. Consequently, seeking for some deeper meaning to life arises and finds expression in a multitude of ways. Again, the false assumption that personal knowing must be the approach to everything, including the attainment of constant fulfilment, inevitably confines the seeker to the limitation of its own experience.

Personal awareness initiates a subject-object experience in which everything that is happening seeems real. This experience generates a profound sense of something missing or lost.

The self, the individual, is a divided energy brought about by its apparent separation from unity. There are attempts to seek unity which are futile because the separate seeker is the very dualism from which it is trying to escape. However, the idea of non-duality arises and, although there is no such thing, the seeker inevitably hopes that it is a something that they can be aware of and attain. Teachings arise to satisfy this hope, and there are even conferences organised to discuss and discover how “non-duality” can be understood and realised. It is interesting that the major part of these conferences are concentrated on the investigation of awareness and consciousness, because these functions are believed to be the means by which self-realisation can be achieved. Unknowing is hardly ever mentioned.

Scientists are also involved in these conferences and attempt to describe what they have discovered about what they call “the nature of reality”. But whose reality are they talking about? If it is a reality which they personally experience, then it would surely be dualistic. Is that why their conclusions seem to be complex and contradictory, because they are attempting to find unity within a polarised experience?

An intrinsic part of the individual’s need to survive is its investment in meaning and purpose which reinforces the story of past and future, hence its assurance of continuation and progress. Personal awareness or consciousness is a knowing of apparent meaning and purpose within the story of me. It is this personal awareness that constantly maintains the sense of self, but also reinforces a sense of separation from that which has never been lost but can never be known.

September 2017

> The self, the individual, is a divided energy brought about by its apparent separation from unity. There are attempts to seek unity which are futile because the separate seeker is the very dualism from which it is trying to escape. However, the idea of non-duality arises and, although there is no such thing, the seeker inevitably hopes that it is a something that they can be aware of and attain. Teachings arise to satisfy this hope, and there are even conferences organised to discuss and discover how “non-duality” can be understood and realised. It is interesting that the major part of these conferences are concentrated on the investigation of awareness and consciousness, because these functions are believed to be the means by which self-realisation can be achieved. Unknowing is hardly ever mentioned.

When you mention this, what kind of unity are you implying when it comes to hikikomoris? Community or something else? Or a non-existent concept that we all cling towards to?

> An intrinsic part of the individual’s need to survive is its investment in meaning and purpose which reinforces the story of past and future, hence its assurance of continuation and progress.

So in your opinion, is there a chance that a possible unifying story of a hikikomori community can be "grander" or more positive than just the formations of community where we all "just talk"?

This isn't to say that a community for just talking is bad as that is what makes up all online communities but what I was thinking of is a possibility where, as a previous anon wrote, a time when my talented hikkis rise up or, to add another branch of possibility, where many depressed hikkis find their happiness as hikikomori and not just hope towards an external factor like living in the outside world, finding a waifu or finding "real" friends that are yet to appear.

> It is this personal awareness that constantly maintains the sense of self, but also reinforces a sense of separation from that which has never been lost but can never be known.

How would a hikikomori develop this personal awareness though and to what end?

(Just looking forward to your thoughts on this and not trying to impose a definite answer out of you.)

>>2208

It's now a proven fact -

Your unconscious mind is running your life!

A new perspective of why we are the way we are, has been introduced by some cutting edge molecular biologists. Foremost among them is former professor of medicine at Stanford University, Dr Bruce Lipton.

He says the new science of epigenetics has shown that our genes are in fact controlled and manipulated by how our minds perceive and interpret our environment. It was formerly believed by science that it is our genes themselves which dictate our traits – that our genes form who and how we are. The new findings are great news because it means that we can change many things about the way we are, including our health, by changing how we interpret events and situations which happen to us.

For example Dr Lipton shows that if we interpret things in a positive way, we start living healthier and better quality lives, regardless of the genetic makeup we started with. A new attitude, positive or negative, sends new messages to the cells in our body and can actually reprogram their health and behavior. It can even change cellular structure, turning diseased cells into healthy cells.

This new science does away with the old scientific tradition, based on Newtonian physics, that the body is just a mechanical device, and actually acknowledges that mind and spirit also play a role in who we are. (Don’t even think to ask how much research it took to prove that!)

Dr Lipton explains that there are two separate minds that create what he calls the body’s controlling voice. There is a conscious mind that can think freely and create new ideas ‘out of the box’. Then there is the subconscious mind, which is basically a super computer loaded with a database of programmed behaviors, most of which we acquired before we reached the age of six.

The subconscious mind cannot move outside its fixed programs – it automatically reacts to situations with its previously stored behavior responses. AND (here’s the rub), it works without the knowledge or control of the conscious mind. This is why we are generally unaware of our behavior, in fact most of the time we are not even aware that we are acting unconsciously.

Studies from as far back as the seventies show that our brains begin to prepare for action just over a third of a second before we consciously decide to act. In other words, even when we ‘think’ we are conscious, it is our unconscious mind which is actually making our decisions for us.

And it seems the unconscious mind is running us on its automatic pilot mode, 95% of the time!

Neuroscientists have shown that the conscious mind provides 5% or less of our cognitive (conscious) activity during the day – and 5% they say is for the more aware people, many people operate at just 1% consciousness. Dr Lipton also says that the unconscious mind operates at 40 million bits of data per second, whereas the conscious mind processes at only 40 bits per second. So the unconscious mind is MUCH more powerful than the conscious mind, and it is the unconscious mind which shapes how we live our life.

The scientists show that most of our decisions, actions, emotions and behavior depend on the 95% of brain activity that is beyond our conscious awareness, which means that 95 – 99% of our life comes from the programming in our subconscious mind.

Osho has talked about this for more than forty years, but it is pretty graphic when you hear the scientific statistics which bear it out, isn’t it!

So, our life reflects our unconscious programming. This is because the job of the subconscious is to create reality out of its program, ie to prove the program is true. So if you have negative programming in your unconscious, Dr Lipton says 95% of the time you will recreate those negative experiences in your life. And as those of us who have ever taken the time to check out our unconscious thoughts know, most of the programs our unconscious mind runs are based in negativity – for example fear of what other people are thinking about us, fear of not being loved and respected as we are, etc, etc.

So… how to get out of this endless cycle of old programs and start to be more in the conscious mind? Because of the power of the unconscious mind (one million times more powerful than the conscious mind), and the amount of time it is running us (95 – 99%), Lipton says it takes a lot more than positive thinking to get out of it. Because as soon as you forget to be conscious, the unconscious is back in charge again. Sound familiar? He suggests meditation, hypnotherapy or other reprogramming approaches.

>>2208

…continued:

And in fact, in the parallel field of neuroscience, a number of experiments with Buddhist meditators have shown that people can actually change their brain structure (regardless of their age) by creating new neural pathways just by conscious thinking. The same research also shows, by the way, that people who meditate regularly have higher immunity and lower blood pressure, among other health benefits.

So what are you waiting for? Osho has described over three hundred meditation techniques in his different books. He says there is a technique to suit every type of man or woman, you just have to try them out and find what ‘clicks’ for you.

For more information about his basic meditation techniques, see www.osho.com.

For more information about the science, see www.brucelipton.com.

Some related Osho quotes (edited)

All of your thoughts come from the outside. None of them come from within, although there may be some inner basis for the thought inside you. The thoughts themselves come from the outside, but there are grooves along which they run inside you.

If someone thinks about money, the thought of money must have come from the outside but the desire for money comes from inside, its seed is inside. The thoughts come from the outside and then attach themselves to your desires. If someone is thinking of sex the desire for sex comes from outside, but there is a seed inside to which this desire attaches itself. Your thought comes from outside but there is a seed for this thought inside you.

To purify your thoughts it is important to realize that the thoughts which enter your mind don’t come accidentally. They are the ones that you actually want; the rest you just throw away.

If someone is throwing garbage into your house you will fight with that person, but if someone is throwing garbage into your mind you will not fight with him. If I meet you on the road and start telling you the story of a movie, you will not object. But if I come to your house and throw some garbage into your house you will ask me, “What are you doing? This is not right!” And if I fill your mind with garbage, if I tell you the story of a movie you will listen to it very happily.

You are not aware that your mind can also be filled with garbage. You are each others’ enemies: you keep on dumping garbage into each others’ minds. What are the people that you consider to be your friends doing to you? Nobody betrays you more than they do. Your enemies are better; at least your enemies don’t fill your head with rubbish because they don’t talk to you.

You are all filling each others’ heads with garbage and you are so fast asleep that you don’t realize what you are taking in. You take everything in. You are like a guesthouse where there are no caretakers and no guards outside to see who is coming in and who is going out. You are a place where anyone can come in - man, animal, thief or cheat. And when he feels like it he can leave, and if he doesn’t feel like leaving he will stay.

Your mind should not be like a guesthouse. If your mind is like a guesthouse, if it is not well protected, then it will be difficult for you to become free of impure thoughts. You should consciously watch over your mind, constantly watching what is happening inside you and rejecting whatever is useless.

If you watch the movement of thoughts inside you it is not difficult to keep your thoughts pure. And it is not difficult to recognize impure thoughts: thoughts that create a kind of restlessness inside you are impure thoughts, and thoughts that create a flow of peace inside you are pure thoughts. Thoughts that bring joy to you are pure, and thoughts that create any kind of disturbance are impure thoughts. You have to avoid such thoughts. And if you constantly watch your mind, your thoughts will become more and more pure.

You can do this in three ways: by being close to pure and true thoughts, by being close to pure and true people, and mainly and most importantly, by being close to nature. Nature never has impure thoughts. If you look at the sky and you go on looking at it, you will find that the sky does not encourage any impure thoughts in you. In-stead it will clear all the rubbish in your head and you will find that by looking at the sky you feel you have become one with it. If you look at a waterfall you will feel that you have become part of the waterfall. If you are in a forest full of greenery you will feel you have also become one of the trees.

>>2208

.continued:

The mind lives in a sort of sleep, it lives in a sort of unconscious state. You become conscious only very rarely. If your life is in tremendous danger you become conscious; otherwise you are not conscious. The mind goes on moving, sleepy. Stand by the side of the road and watch people and you will see shadows of dreams on their faces. Somebody talks to himself, or makes gestures - if you look at him you will be able to see that he is somewhere else, not here on the road. It is as if people are moving in deep sleep.

Somnambulism is the ordinary state of the mind. If you want to become a meditator, you have to drop this sleepy habit of doing things. Walk, but be alert. Dig a hole, but be alert. Eat, but while eating don't do anything - just eat. Each bite should be taken with deep alertness, chew it with alertness. Don't allow yourself to run all over the world. Be here, now.

The mind is always going somewhere else, it never wants to be here. Because if the mind is here it is no longer needed; right in the present there is no need for the mind - consciousness is enough. The mind is needed only there, somewhere else in the future, in the past, but never here. Whenever you become alert that the mind has gone somewhere else - you are in Pune and the mind has gone to Philadelphia - immediately become alert. Give yourself a jerk. Come back home. Come to the point where you are. Eating, eat; walking, walk; don't allow this mind to go all over the world. It is not that this will become meditation, but it will create a situation for meditation to happen.

The problem is not the mind; the problem is your identification with it. You think you are it, that is the problem. Disidentify. Watch the mind - be the watcher and let the mind be there watched, witnessed, observed. And a great radical change happens through observation. Mind functions far more efficiently when you observe it because all that is rubbish drops, and mind ceases to carry unnecessary weight; it becomes light. And when you become a watcher, the mind can also have some rest. Otherwise for your whole life, it is working, working, day in, day out, year in, year out - it stops only when you die. It creates a deep fatigue, mental fatigue. Now scientists say even metals become tired - metal fatigue. So what to say about the mind which is very subtle, which is very delicate? Handle it carefully. But you remain aloof, unconcerned, uninvolved.

When you are writing you don't become the fountain pen, although you cannot write without it. A good fountain pen is very essential for good writing. If you start writing with your fingers nobody will be able to read what you have written, not even you, and it will be very primitive. But you are not the fountain pen, and the fountain pen is not the writer but only a writing instrument. The mind is not the master but only an instrument in the hands of the master.

And remember, it is your identification with the thoughts in your mind that gives them life. Your comments keep them alive - when you stop making comments on the thoughts, they begin to stop. When you are completely cut off, they fall like leaves falling from the trees and they leave a pure, vacant, silent mind. This is a great achievement.

If you simply watch your thoughts coming and going, as if they are not your concern, by and by they will automatically cease - they need your cooperation to be there. If you cooperate, they will be there; if you fight, then too they will be there - because both are cooperations: one for, the other against. Both are sorts of activity. You simply watch.

Meditation means finding the source of your life and disconnecting the source from the mind. Then mind is used by you, not vice versa. Right now the mind is using you, the mind is the master and you are the slave. This is the sole cause of misery. When you are the master and the mind is just a mechanism - you can use it whenever you want and if you don't want it you don't use it - then life flares up and the joy of it is tremendous. Then for the first time you know that to know life, is to know eternity.

>>2208

..continued:

Meditation gives you the real taste of life. Without meditation life is only lukewarm, it has no intensity. It is not a flame, it is just smoke. Once you enter into meditation, life is a flame without smoke. Such great intensity explodes in you - as if suddenly spring has come in the inner world, flowers, songs, celebrations, for no reason at all. You have found the life-giving source within you.

Thoughts are very whimsical. They leave an impression on the mind, whether good or bad. The things that you think will also affect your personality. If someone is constantly reflecting on beauty, it is quite natural that it will also make his personality more beautiful.

So reflect on the things that are constantly in your mind. What do you think about all the time? Mostly people are either thinking about money, sex or power. What are the wounds in your mind around which your thoughts revolve? The thoughts to which your mind constantly returns will be your basic weakness. Do you think about lying? About dishonesty, about cheating? These are the minor things - sex, money and power are the major points.

The mind contains all your misery, all your wounds. Your consciousness has no wounds. Your consciousness knows nothing of misery. Your consciousness is innocent, utterly blissful. That’s why meditation is a effort to bring you in touch with your consciousness, to detract you from the mind, which goes on creating wounds.

The only way to get out of misery patterns, whether ancient or new, is witnessing. It is the only way, because nobody has escaped from the mind without becoming a witness. Just witness, and suddenly you will start laughing at your own misery. Your miseries are so superficial.

>>2287

Out of curiosity anon, how is your meditation pattern (like how many times a day and how many hours) and how has it helped your life as a hikikomori? Did it simply evaporate the depression or has there been some other benefits?

>>2359

>Out of curiosity anon, how is your meditation pattern (like how many times a day and how many hours) and how has it helped your life as a hikikomori? Did it simply evaporate the depression or has there been some other benefits?

Before I learned meditation my anxiety level was super high especially during a full moon. It would start about two weeks before the moon was full and slowly subside over the next three weeks. So my emotional sensitivity would peak about two weeks prior to the full moon phase and lasted about three weeks total. I researched everything connected to this that I could find but back then there wasn't much information that made any sense. And then I met a Monk who taught Yoga Meditation. On 7-7-2007, I received my first lesson, and it was completely different than anything I had previously experienced. Full of Magic and superstition, mystical notions that play with your imagination. Virtually everyone is raised from a small child on some form of religious belief and cosmology, and this is the real problem. Because everything we were taught as a child concerning this subject is false, not true, and has nothing to do with the way things actually work. Fairytales are imaginary, but children believe them because an authority figure told them they are true, and often this authority figure is a trusted loved one and family member.

A person in this situation is desperate and looking for anything and anyone who can help them make sense out of their experience, heal and be normal again. But when you go to a so called teacher, you are in chains, and some of these people will put more chains on you. Largely because they themselves have chains and just don't know any better. They do to you what was done to them, thinking that chains are help.

I lived with a group of Monks for about two years , in a forest retreat center, and we shared Meditation and meals as a group. I think the best Meditation experience is when you are almost asleep and your five senses drop away. I learned how to separate from conflict and to surrender my fear. And then I left and found a new place to be alone. I had found something called Qigong (chigong) on the web and learned everything that I could about it. This is my practice today when I wake up, and then again before sleep. This helps me to keep my energy balanced and my emotions under control. It has nothing to do with religion, imaginary concepts or fairytales, it is not a belief. How do I know this? Practice it and you will know, the proof is the practice. I do what is called Microcosmic Orbit, laying down on my bed, eyes closed, it takes about half an hour, but it is so pleasurable and relaxing it will put you to sleep. When I wake up I do it to energize my body before getting out of bed.

It feels like this to me.

>>2370

nice placebo

>>2373

You don't like science?

>>2375

Sorry about that unnecessary comment above.

Let's get back on topic and your story then.

>Evolution doesn't care if you see the world for what it is. It only cares that you make more of yourself.

I would agree with that statement in that 'evolution' is a mechanism that describes filling a slot.

If you are in the right place at the right time, you fill the slot. But evolution is not about the human condition, which is a separate story from species evolution.

My point would be that the carrying capacity of the planet has been exceeded and in the next 20 years as the population approaches 9 billion

this will become very plain. So the human story, financial, food etcetera and life support is different from biological evolution…let's continue.

Thanks

>>2376

> If you are in the right place at the right time, you fill the slot

What would be the criteria for right place and right time evolutionary wise?

> But evolution is not about the human condition, which is a separate story from species evolution.

How would you distinguish the two especially in an age where mankind is the dominant species?

I mean…the only reason we separate the subject of biology from sociology is because we are inside our culture but any intelligent foreign species would be attributing our typing on a keyboard as no different from an ant carrying food.

>>2380

>How would you distinguish the two especially in an age where mankind is the dominant species?

>I mean…the only reason we separate the subject of biology from sociology is because we are inside our culture but any intelligent foreign species would be attributing our typing on a keyboard as no different from an ant carrying food.

Because evolution is about biology and not psychology (individual behavior) or sociology (group behavior). I think you are talking about culture, or the story of you someplace in time, consciousness, perception. The system or strategy for life that we find our selves in, and often feel trapped by. Evolution is the process of change in all forms of life over generations, and evolutionary biology is the study of how evolution occurs. Biological populations evolve through genetic changes that correspond to changes in the organisms' observable traits. Genetic changes include mutations, which are caused by damage or replication errors in an organism's DNA. As the genetic variation of a population drifts randomly over generations, natural selection gradually leads traits to become more or less common based on the relative reproductive success of organisms with those traits. This is the reason why I started with physics, neuroscience and the mind body connection; and then bored you with meditation and consciousness. The system that traps us was invented and created long before we were ever born. I call it Fairytale sales and marketing, it is an Extortion machine. The world, planet, is a Lunatic Asylum, run by Cannibals and Vampires. Everyone knows what it is, …a butcher shop.

If you want to change it, I respect you, but you are Naïve. The Hikikomori, 'we', will be ground into dust before the psychopaths of this planet will ever allow a meaningful change to a people that have what they don't have. Liberation from the dream, this terrifies people like them. And if there is such a thing as Evolution of Consciousness, then obviously we are the proof of that. If you want to help our kind then it will only come from us, we must develop a new system that makes a new family structure that has never existed before, this is the only way.

Take care friend

>>2375

i do love science

>>2384

…continuing on:

Okay lets go deeper then and talk about control. I'm going to move through this material in an abridged fashion. And I want your opinion and feelings about this , it's very important to me. Because maybe eventually we will find an answer to make life more bearable for our unique club of good people. No one likes to suffer, and this is the motivation. I think that liberation is a realization that anyone can come to understand, and utilize to mitigate suffering. I will include the sources.

Free Will or Free Won't? Neuroscience on the Choices We Can (and Can't) Make. Do you have free will? This question has been on the minds of philosophers for millennia. More recently, neuroscientists have attempted experiments to identify the relationship of free will to neuroscience. There is an increasingly large and fascinating body of work on this subject, as well as a slew of interpretations as to what the results mean.

One of the more famous, and contentious, experiments in this field was done by Benjamin Libet in the 1980’s. Subjects were asked to carry out a simple task, such as pushing a button, whenever they chose and make a note of the time when they were “first aware of the wish or urge to act”. While they did this, they were having electrical activity in their brains monitored by an EEG machine looking for readiness potential; a pattern associated with muscle movement.

It was found that brain activity occurred nearly three hundred milliseconds before the subjects reported the urge to act. Even when accounting for a margin of error to cover the time needed to make note of the position of the clock.

This means that the progression of events to an outside observer would be: A buildup of activity in the brain, the decision to act, then the action. When we speak about making a choice freely, we might suppose that the decision comes before the buildup of activity in the brain. Libet, however, didn’t see his results as a total refutation of free will. He instead pointed out that during the 500 milliseconds leading up to an action the conscious mind could choose to reject that action. While impulses would be dictated by the subconscious, the conscious mind would still have the capacity to suppress or veto them; something that most people would say they do everyday. This model has been referred to as “free won’t”. http://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/free-will-or-free-wont-what-neuroscience-says-about-the-choices-we-can-and-cant-make

Benjamin Libet's experiments and measurement.

http://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/libet/

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Decisions Are Emotional, Not Logical: The Neuroscience behind Decision Making. Think of a situation where you had bulletproof facts, reason, and logic on your side, and believed there was absolutely no way the other person could say no to your perfectly constructed argument and proposal. To do so would be impossible, you figured, because there was no other logical solution or answer.

And then the other person dug in his heels and refused to budge. He wasn’t swayed by your logic. Were you flabbergasted?

This is similar to what many negotiators do when they sit down at the table to hammer out a deal. They come armed with facts, and they attempt to use logic to sway the other party. They figure that by piling on the data and using reason to explain their side of the situation, they can construct a solution that is simply irrefutable—and get the other party to say yes.

They’re doomed to fail, however, because decision-making isn’t logical, it’s emotional, according to the latest findings in neuroscience.

A few years ago, neuroscientist Antonio Damasio made a groundbreaking discovery. He studied people with damage in the part of the brain where emotions are generated. He found that they seemed normal, except that they were not able to feel emotions. But they all had something peculiar in common: they couldn’t make decisions. They could describe what they should be doing in logical terms, yet they found it very difficult to make even simple decisions, such as what to eat. Many decisions have pros and cons on both sides—shall I have the chicken or the turkey? With no rational way to decide, these test subjects were unable to arrive at a decision.

So at the point of decision, emotions are very important for choosing. In fact even with what we believe are logical decisions, the very point of choice is arguably always based on emotion.

This finding has enormous implications for negotiation professionals. People who believe they can build a case for their side using reason are doomed to be poor negotiators, because they don’t understand the real factors that are driving the other party to come to a decision. Those who base their negotiation strategy on logic end up relying on assumptions, guesses, and opinions. If my side of the argument is logical, they figure, then the other side can’t argue with it and is bound to come around to my way of thinking. The problem is, you can’t assume that the other party will see things your way.

What the negotiator can and must do, however, is create a vision for the other side to bring about discovery and decision on their part. In the end, your opponent will make the decision because he wants to. Getting him to want to, using the step-by-step methodology that is part of the Camp System, is the job of the negotiator—not trying to convince him with reason.

You don’t tell your opponent what to think or what’s best. You help them discover for themselves what feels right and best and most advantageous to them. Their ultimate decision is based on self-interest. That’s emotional. I want this. This is good for me and my side.

There’s a detailed and systematic way to go about building vision the right way. But in general, if you can get the other party to reveal their problems, pain, and unmet objectives, then you can build a vision for them of their problem, with you and your proposal as the solution. They won’t make their decision because it is logical. They’ll make their decision because you have helped them feel that it’s to their advantage to do so.

source for the above:

http://bigthink.com/experts-corner/decisions-are-emotional-not-logical-the-neuroscience-behind-decision-making

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My conclusion and personal opinion based on experience. I can't help planning ahead and trying to foresee the future, but this is imaginary. And emotions are usually a weakness, causing over reaction, and rationalizations, lead to mistakes. But unfulfilled emotion is the source of great anxiety. Often depression results, from unfulfilled ambition, and the needs that are not met. This can cause great sadness and the withdrawal from anything that we think caused these feelings. But the removal of all stress and interaction with other people will cause feelings of failure. It becomes a biofeedback loop, as if there is a never ending video in our heads, the never ending negative story. I've seen this description expressed over and over again in this forum.

This is my method: I don't fight with the animal inside of me, I step back and watch, observe my automatic behavior. Especially if it's an important decision, I give the brain time to crunch the data. I make plans but allow for change, because change happens. Life is an obstacle course, similar to trying to walk between the rain drops and not get wet. The details can be very complicated, unknown until the very last minute. I don't identify personally with the Me, the Ego. I solve each problem as it arises allowing for change, because we can't control everything. I negotiate the best deal, or solution that I can at the moment, without making it personal, and move on. And this is the hard part, because there are so many opportunities to be insulted by idiots. And this is the key: usually they mean you no harm, and have similar or the same problems we have. They are stuck in the same money system, with the same list of problems. All humans experience the same story. I try to find a reason not to fight. But if I have to I can. Knowing that all there is, is life and that nobody owns it. Our life as you said: as 'the dominant species', etcetera.

I know that Life is the real gift, sometimes we forget this, just ask anyone that lost a loved one. Since life is so short, I think that it must be about how we treat one another, because this is what is remembered by society after we have passed away. The one's you touched remember your kindnesses, long after you are gone, but they remember the assholes even more, HA!

With this method depression hardly ever arises.

:)

>>2387

>no one lieks to suffer

what about bdsm ppl?

>>2045

>there's some evolutionary purpose to why we chose this lifestyle.

We don't choose this lifestyle we are simply victims of circumstance.

>>2458

Broken people and why they are broken.

>>2460

i hate his pronounciation

>>2461

>i hate his pronounciation

Same here but he does have some good points to be honest.

>>2460

motivational speech tier

>>2460

Judging from the thumbnail, it's some normie garbage. Am I right?

>>2480

>>2481

Pretty much yeah but like i said he does have some good points.

Hikikomori is a distinct psychiatric condition. It's not like it's just another lifestyle. I actually hate the word lifestyle because it's not a lifestyle to be trapped living with someone who passive aggressively sabotages your ability to be successful while simultaneous saying, "Fool, why ain't you successful?" The word lifestyle implies that individuals have some kind of choice inherent in their current situation. Which if your situation sucks and you are mostly trapped, perhaps though no fault of your own, then you know that such a idea as lifestyle is inherently a product of self-righteous narcissism.

>>2045

> Evolution doesn't care if you see the world for what it is. It only cares that you make more of yourself.

Also I think you misunderstood the quota. Evolution is a organic process for adapting to your surroundings so that you can create more of yourself so their progeny can go on to adapt to their surroundings. I'm using surroundings as a short-hand for environment because humans specifically have been masters of the natural environment meaning earthquakes and forest fires, and floods, and things that want to eat us for a very long time. When the past Mega year has probably been gregariously over felon with is the psycho-social environment, meaning that we have been adapting to how to manage relationships with other humans. I'm not trying to make out that relationships are some kind of goal, but Homosapien, relative to Neanderthal-man, perceive the feeling of each-other and their consciousness more than the latter. It's the difference between having a complicated funeral and just throwing away your dead like a broken toy; Homophones and Neanderthal-man respectively. The quota actually means that their are many spices that are very good at procreating and staying alive generation to generation. Having a fancy big brain, such as our selfs, does not inherently make us any better at procreating then any other organism that has survived this long. Just because us humans have fancy big brains that make us better at making nuclear power plants doesn't really matter if, in the human case, women don't want to have sex with people (men) because they are good at making nuclear power plants.

What sits on top of our existing ability to procreate quite easily is our big brains making up new ways to impress each other so that we get the chance to procreate. It's like playing a mini-game that unlocks the real game. Here, the nuclear power plants, being good at art, being a top search-engineer, specifically it doesn't matter to evolution. What does matter to evolution is that you unlock the real game which is evolution which you have to procreate to do. It doesn't matter if your human and make nuclear power plants or you are a very fertile male naked mole rat, what matters is that your fuck. So that's why evolution doesn't care if you see the world for what it is.