/hikki/ - Hikikomori

a normalfag that is living in Japan has made 2 different documentaries on us with his cell phone and they suck.

>>628

>It fascinates me, these people's view of us. It's like we're an alien species. Or rather, like plague victims. Don't wanna come too close or touch us, might catch something. Just observe us from across the glass, maybe bang on it a couple times.

I was actually thinking the same thing

>>176

now i understand

hikki is a japanese phenomenon because they are shame society

>>663

>now i understand

>hikki is a japanese phenomenon because they are shame society

True but remember that while it is a Japanese phenomenon, hikikomoriism happens all around the world.

>>677

Makes me wonder how many people are hikkikomoris here in America.

>>878

Probably a lot we just don't know how many i myself wonder this as i am an American hikki as well.

>>878

I think in America we are more likely to attribute it to mental illness (agoraphobia) or assume there is something mentally wrong. Notice how on TV in American media, one of the qualities they give crazy people is that they are shut-ins or hermits. Usually hoarders as well.

>>889

Well i think that is because social withdrawal isn't understood very well in the west and it probably also has to do with the fact that the west rewards extraversion and shuns introversion so basically in the west if you are not an extrovert there must be something wrong with you i think that is how they see it.

>>878

>>883

American hikki here, been one since before I even knew what it was called.

>>891

>been one since before I even knew what it was called.

Same

This documentary is about hikikomori in Latin America.

>>176

>that first hikki

I mean, I understand why you being a hikki, what I don't understand is why you need to be an asshole hikki, his mom basically provide everything you need without any compliant, yet he treat her like trash. Does he even know that he's a burden, you doesn't get to act all high and mighty to anyone.

>>940

*don't

fucking autocorrect

>>934

This is further proof that hikkis can pop up anywhere, not just in shame societies.

>>946

By "shame societies" what do you mean?

>>947

A society which placing shame on those who can't met its expectations I think, as opposed to guilt based society which is dominant in western countries.

>>946

>This is further proof that hikkis can pop up anywhere, not just in shame societies.

Exactly

Here is the download link for Hikikomori a deafening silence

http://www.mediafire.com/file/c946l9s14cagfju/HIKIKOMORI%2C+A+DEAFENING+SILENCE.avi

>>964

shame societies hikki differ from nonshame societies hikki

>>1047

>shame societies hikki differ from nonshame societies hikki

How so??.

This is a documentary from 2004 about hikikomori and otaku culture.

>>1049

it is a shame in japan to be mentally ill while in the usa it is trendy

>>1078

I wouldn't say that mental illness itself is a trendy thing here in America but 'the "real" mental illness that is trendy is the watered down version that is made for TV.

>>1092

This

>>1092

When you boil it down being special is what's trendy. Being different is not. You can have all the tags on your twitter bio but you're still capable and willing to go out on a date, work your job, and maintain relationships. There's objectively nothing wrong with you but you'll still put that shit on your front page because it makes you look special and interesting.

There's really nothing trendy about not being able to communicate to another human being and haven't for weeks. I feel like you distinguish mental illness from #mentalillness with how the average person reacts to it. People don't find actual mental illness amusing or interesting, they're usually either disgusted raining pity.

>>1095

>When you boil it down being special is what's trendy. Being different is not.

Exactly

>>1098

>When you boil it down being special is what's trendy. Being different is not.

what is the difference?

>>1207

>what is the difference?

Well there is a difference between wanting to be treated equally like everyone else and wanting special treatment from others.

>>1217

you want special treatment when people would treat you differently and you want them to treat you like others

>>1260

Another way to look at it is that 'special' is a positive connotation, while 'different' is a negative one. Both are abnormal, however one is considered popular/trendy whilst another is considered dangerous. Right now it's considered 'brave' to come out about things like being homosexual. You're essentially given a social boost for parading the fact that you have a sexual attraction that you didn't choose, just like every other human being. Whilst it's true that coming forward about that fact IS brave due to the risks and alienation involved from your immediate family/friends (assuming you have any at this point as a hikikomori), choosing to do so at the height of its popularity ensures that the entire ordeal is kept in a positive light because right now that difference makes you special. It's also completely logical to make such a decision, the path of least resistance is often the best path to travel. You could even say that such actions, are completely 'normal'.

On the flip side what do you think would happen if a pedophile came forward and spoke about THEIR sexual attraction that they equally didn't choose? That's called being different, and between the two it's like night and day. Both are equally abnormal, regardless of how society chooses to value them, however one of them is like a bump in the road right now whilst the other is a massive sinkhole that will swallow your entire vehicle.

I suppose in the end being both 'different' and 'special' are fairly similar in principle, but in practice being different will get you ostracized and treated like a sickness that needs to be cured. That's not inherently wrong as it's part of human nature to fear things that are different. The fact that being special doesn't receive the same treatment is because, simply put, they are not different. We aren't 'evolving' as a society or any of that nonsense, it's just that people aren't willing to accept that there's so many other people like them in such a great number that society on a whole considers it normal. That's not to say that INDIVIDUALS consider it normal, I fully understand the dangers involved with being different in any meaningful way, as should every hikikomori at this point but it's not hard to see that being different is always viewed in a negative light, while being special is completely relative to those around you.

I also understand that homosexuality is a touchy subject as depending on the area of the world you live in it can be considered just as 'different' as pedophilia so keep in mind this hypothetical comparison between the treatment of the two is relative to western society.

>>1262

>Another way to look at it is that 'special' is a positive connotation, while 'different' is a negative one. Both are abnormal, however one is considered popular/trendy whilst another is considered dangerous.

This right here was my whole point exactly in this post - >>1090

>>1260

every special is different

This is kinda hikki related but this documentary is about Japanese citizens who live inside cyber-cafés.

>>1262

>>1260

That reminds me how everyone treats my cousins and other relatives special. While they treat me quite the opposite, which is basically different. I'm no special person. I don't have the leeway like they do and I don't get away with things because hey, I've got perks and connections that it's okay to do that one thing that may considered bad. If I do it, it's totally the opposite. I get treated like shit and I get put down because for some reason, reality has put you in a life where all things don't go to your way most of the time.

What baffles me is that being special is when you don't have to do anything and somehow you are special. Being different. Being completely something else that no one expects of is what happens when you get shit on. I mean, who the fuck cares about your well being if you're not like the special people, right? Let's not associate with that person being different because it's not in their condone course of action. Rather they steer into the typical direction like everyone else would. Like a hive mind set. You can talk about how society is and isn't, yet we bundle ourselves in different kind of groups in a society that what we do is the most typical shit ever. It's been going on like that for many, many years. It's nothing new but we have to talk, remind ourselves that bullshit kind of way in life is still "new" to everyone else because let's face it, we don't experience it unless we're in it. It's one of those inevitable things. I know I probably don't make sense about this but it does have to do with everything else. Leading up from one layer to another. One stage to another one. Everything awfully connected, you know? Like I said before, it's the people. It's us that just makes things so shit regardless. Sure, we have few of us that pulled through all that bullshit and somehow still make it but being special and being different is nothing compare to what we have become as humanity. It just sucks ass when you see the whole big picture of it.

An interview with a Japanese hikki who has been in isolation for 5 years.

>>1820

>480p

not enough

>>1824

>not enough

Agreed

This is a documentary about hikikomori in Italy.

Not a documentary but this is a news broadcast about hikikomori in Italy.

>>2236

Listening to normies try and talk about this is so frustrating. I don't think it's necessarily common in Japan at all. It's just a matter of it being recognized. The kind of social cohesion they have in east Asia is such a communal thing and if somebody's kid is being a shut-in, that's going to be a thing people talk about. Their family structure is very concerned with success and will recognize when their child isn't working hard. Meanwhile in the west we couldn't give a shit about what our kids do. We have goals in mind but we've adopted a very hands-off approach to parenting in general. There's that disinterest in development but more importantly we refuse to recognize hikki on a personal or social level. Like my family doesn't talk about it with others and they don't talk about it with me. I'm sure most of you can relate. I would actually be willing to bet that this might even be more common in the west. Though it's such a different atmosphere than the rat race of east Asia so it's hard to say. Even the reasoning is different. Being bogged down by expectation is one thing, but i think the lot of us here are the opposite where we're lost in aspiration with no real expectations and no real future even if we did turn out normal.

>>2238

>Listening to normies try and talk about this is so frustrating

Agreed.

>I don't think it's necessarily common in Japan at all. It's just a matter of it being recognized.

True i mean they aren't even 100% sure how many people actually are hikikomori inside Japan so with the studies that are out they seem to just be guessing i suppose but you're right that it is a lot more recognized over there and taken seriously as well hell Japan even has Hikikomori treatment centers and day programs.

>Meanwhile in the west we couldn't give a shit about what our kids do. We have goals in mind but we've adopted a very hands-off approach to parenting in general.

Well this isn't how i was raised but for the most part you're right growing up for me i was put under a lot of extreme pressure by my parents and other elders in my teens to succeed at an early age and add on to that being bullied at school and just the pressure of trying to keep up with everybody else in society was too much for me that i snapped and withdrew from society i know in American society we have the option to try again but even if you do you will still be seen as a failure and a looser to an extent because you're not caught up with the Joneses.

>More importantly we refuse to recognize hikki on a personal or social level. Like my family doesn't talk about it with others and they don't talk about it with me. I'm sure most of you can relate.

Yes i can my family doesn't know what it is nor does the therapist that i see sometimes hikikomori and social isolation are not understood in the west though in Europe over in Italy cases of Hikikomori are on the rise and Italy is the first country outside of Japan to take the problem seriously which is why they have Hikikomori italia.

>I be willing to bet that this might even be more common in the west. Though it's such a different atmosphere than the rat race of east Asia so it's hard to say.

If you are talking specifically the US. they have more of a NEET problem than a hikikomori problem although with a lot of the young people of this generation unmotivated unable to find work and with all the new technology that is out now i think that it's definitely possible that we could see a huge increase in hikikomoris in the US. maybe within the next decade or 2?? and most young people of this generation if they do work will probably self employe themselves and work from home like some hikkis do.

>>2243

>If you are talking specifically the US. they have more of a NEET problem than a hikikomori problem

There's a huge difference between NEET and hikki though. Anyone at anytime can be a NEET. Hikki is a state of mind, and i think in the U.S. it's very hard to be a truly isolated hikki because you basically have to work at some point unless you have a whole string of circumstances like most of us do. I think we have a slightly different problem of the bugman hermit who either lives with his parents or lives by himself who works to stay alive and justify his existence but otherwise has very minimal social interaction. I know of one person i went to HS with who is like this and i know there are tons of these people, there have to be. I'm probably going to join this demographic soon if i can't get myself to get on autismbucks, which probably won't happen because i hate bureaucrats more than anything and also hate having to admit i have a problem/lying.

Like i have to wonder if all these supposed recovered hikkis actually recovered. I imagine most of them just have jobs and subsist on the bare minimum.

>>2255

>There's a huge difference between NEET and hikki though

That was my point.

>I think in the U.S. it's very hard to be a truly isolated hikki because you basically have to work at some point unless you have a whole string of circumstances like most of us do.

Well it is a well known fact that the majority of hikikomori are hikkineets but some hikikomori do have jobs or take online school classes from home so they don't have to leave their room also a 2010 Japanese study found that 86% of hikikomori did go outdoors but in a month long period they would only go out 13 times a month for 3 hours at a time and that is only usually to buy food take a walk or relax at the park late at night when nobody is around unlike non-hikkis who go out every single day it's only the more extreme cases of hikikomori do they not go out at all.

I don't know if any Japanese hikkis browse this board but if anybody on here understands Japanese please translate thank you.

>>2595

Today two thirds of hikikomori in Japan became hikikomori after 35 years old or older. Their parents are getting old, too, and the situation has been becoming worse for old hikikomori and their family.

- 1st case. He has been a hikki for 17 years and now he is 47. One day, after he came home he asked his mother "Mother, can I quit my job?" He had been working for a manufacturer for 10 years, but one day after work he mentioned to his mother that he was said some bad things by a colleague. His mother didn't expect at the time that things would have become this serious. He started to develop germaphobia. One day his mother asked him where he had been. He answered that he was in the Suicide Forest. His mother tried her best to find ways to save him and consulted specialists at the city hall, but they couldn't offer help unless he himself shows up. She asked him if he wants to see a doctor. He answered "please leave me alone. Nothing good will happen to you if you keep trying to save me." Time has passed without his parents able to do anything to save him. He became 47. His mother consulted a "free school." Persuaded by specialis form the school, he decided to enter the school.

The "Free school" - about 50 people ranging from their teens to 50s are living together in a dormitory, 13 of them are in their 30s or 40s, most of them are dropouts or NEETs. The fee is about 200,000 yen per month.

- 2nd case. He is now 35 and he became a hikikomori when he was 16. His 65 years old father consulted the free school. The son is living in a room in a nearby apartment. His parents got divorced when he was young, he didn't get along with his mother in law and was put into a children's orphanage. After graduated from high school he became a hikikomori and 20 years have passed. His father hasn't seen him for over 10 years. He puts 150,000 yen each month as an allowance into the door pocket of his room apart from rent money. Persuaded by specialists he decided to enter the school.

>>2639

Thank you so much anon reading this was very interesting,

>1st case. He has been a hikki for 17 years and now he is 47.

Damn

If you skip to 1:00 you will hear Death Note music LOL.

>>980

Thank you

>>4178

>Thank you

No problem anon.

How do long term neets in japan (2+years) even recover with the cutthroat work culture? And by recover I mean starting/getting back into their career, not working 12 hours as a warehouse worker with little free time and always living paycheck to paycheck.

>>4194

Neets and hikkis in Japan actually have help and support such as day programs recovery centers and so on while outside Japan hikkis and Neets are basically left to fend for themselves.

I can't understand what the hikki in the background is saying but judging by the tone of his voice he obviously is mad at the camera crew and men in suits and doesn't want them to be there and i don't blame him tbh.

This documentary is about teenagers in Japan who kill because they snap around 14:49 until 18:24 they talk about a 17 year old hikikomori who snapped and hijacked a bus and went on a killing spree in the early 2000s.

Spanish documentary video about hikikomori.

RT Documentary Hikikomori Loveless:

>>5800

It's good to see that hikkis somewhere are getting help, though I do wonder what the rehabilitation success rate is and how they actually do in life afterwards

>>5828

Even from a purely economic point of view, being cut off for a year or two can destroy your job chances

t. knower

Though I disagree that it's strictly a Japanese phenomenon, it's simply acknowledged or more well known there. In the western world hikkis are part of the forgotten population of mentally ill

>>5848

Normalfags just don't get it it's not that simple.

>>6921

I wonder if the people who recovered really recovered all the way. I'm having a hard time imagining them not bottling up their isolation like the guy who died alone.

Hikikomori and the Lost Decade

Daily Life of 引きこもり

youtube play list all videos

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLADFE6FAE8A91986B

HIKIKOMORI, A DEAFENING SILENCE

Inside A Rehab Center For Hikikomori ASIAN BOSS Documentary