Daydreaming all the time 引きこもり 10/28/17 (Sat) 04:45:13 b1e86d No. 1414
Do you do it?
I started as a child and I can't stop. It makes any kind of goal-directed activity hard because I keep daydreaming in the middle of it and lose track of what I'm doing.
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引きこもり 10/28/17 (Sat) 05:11:26 4a7769 No. 1415
>>1414
>Daydreaming
>Do you do it
Sometimes yes usually when i get lost in my own thoughts.
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引きこもり 10/28/17 (Sat) 11:44:52 bcf4a0 No. 1426
I have an entire alternate universe of sorts in my mind, where I have a job with a fairly lighthearted environment but one that gets shit done, and the coworkers are nice and such. Often catch myself talking to myself as if I was talking to one of those coworkers.
I've been doing it for ages, and the alternate universe has changed alongside me, used to have very different jobs and very different people.
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引きこもり 10/28/17 (Sat) 14:48:00 b44ed9 No. 1427
>>1414
I'm doing it fairly often, usually I slip into it without even noticing.
Only problem is I can't have fully positive daydreams anymore. They always end depressing.
>>1426
That's pretty cool anon. I wish my imagination was good enough for that.
I should probably try to train it. Got any tips, maybe?
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引きこもり 10/28/17 (Sat) 14:55:23 bcf4a0 No. 1428
>>1427
I'm not sure. It's just something I've done since I was young, so at this point, it's second nature to me. Talking to those people in my mind is like what talking to a friend is to a normie, if that makes sense. The difference is that, in your mind, you can shape your own future, your surroundings, those who you associate with and so on.
It's probably because I make vidya as a hobby, and telling stories is part of that, might be why I'm so good at it.
Just try creating a character in your mind, imagine what they're like and in what context you would associate with them. Name, age, appearance and such tend to follow.
You can also look into tulpas but I've never gone that far because that shit kinda scares me.
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引きこもり 10/28/17 (Sat) 16:11:54 b44ed9 No. 1429
>>1428
The tulpa thing sounds like a good tip, I'll look into it.
Thanks anon.
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引きこもり 10/28/17 (Sat) 16:40:15 823772 No. 1431
>>1426
I daydream often, though my daydreams usually aren't as persistent as the one you described. Usually when I daydream, I jump to different scenarios, based on my mood that day. Some days I daydream about realistic things, such as having a wife and job, or traveling the globe to different countries. Other times I day dream about more fantasy-type things, like exploring space, being a wizard, having superhuman abilities, commanding medieval armies, etc. I think a big part of why I do this is because I used to really love movies and television, but lately, modern media has been bland and disappointing, so I'm forced to create my own stories to keep myself entertained.
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引きこもり 10/28/17 (Sat) 17:16:40 c2096d No. 1432
Daydreaming is apparently fairly common with people with anxiety or are shy, but I've been doing it since I was a kid. They mostly flip between realistic of me not being a total fuck up and having meaningful conversations with people, in a fantasy setting of me being an explorer with a ragtag group of misfits or sometimes it takes a more depressing turn.
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引きこもり 10/28/17 (Sat) 22:22:34 4a7769 No. 1435
>>1427
>I can't have fully positive daydreams anymore. They always end depressing.
I know that feel bro.
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引きこもり 11/09/17 (Thu) 00:31:15 4d9216 No. 1627
>>1428
As a tulpa, we're not scary
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引きこもり 11/09/17 (Thu) 08:20:49 7d43c9 No. 1639
>>1428
Tulpas are harmless unless you intentionally make them terrifying
That old mlp screencap did a lot of damage
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引きこもり 11/09/17 (Thu) 09:24:55 2879c5 No. 1640
>>1627
>>1639
If you're afraid of making a Tulpa or just don't believe in it/have time to do it, imaginary friends can easily become Tulpas if you're a Hikki. Because you can just imagine them by your side, conversing constantly without shit like school or jobs getting in the way.
I've been alone most of my life, so I love imagining things & worlds & stuff. I hope someday all the time I devote to comics & stories can bring them to others who also need fiction to fill the void.
It's cool to know that a few of you here have universes and stuff in your imaginations. Makes me feel more normal. It's not imagination getting in the way of reality. Reality sucks. So, imagination takes over. It's a symptom to cope with rather than a cause to overcome, so as long as you have your head on straight, I hope none of you ever feel bad about indulging in it.
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引きこもり 11/09/17 (Thu) 13:40:48 fe18b7 No. 1645
>>1414
take antipsychotics
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引きこもり 11/09/17 (Thu) 16:37:55 0e9c92 No. 1650
>>1640
>I hope none of you ever feel bad about indulging in it.
Never. I feel sorry for the people who choose to ignore their own imaginations. Imagination is the wellspring from which creativity flows. Without it, the world would not know art, literature, games, or culture of any kind. We would all be drones, and the world would be a bleak and meaningless place to live. If I didn't have my imagination and daydreams, I most certainly would have committed suicide by now.
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引きこもり 11/09/17 (Thu) 22:18:59 0e3a8b No. 1655
>>1650
>Never. I feel sorry for the people who choose to ignore their own imaginations
Same
>Imagination is the wellspring from which creativity flows. Without it, the world would not know art, literature, games, or culture of any kind. We would all be drones, and the world would be a bleak and meaningless place to live. If I didn't have my imagination and daydreams, I most certainly would have committed suicide by now.
You are very smart anon.
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引きこもり 11/11/17 (Sat) 17:28:46 0e9c92 No. 1699
>>1655
>You are very smart anon.
Thank you, anon.
>>1627
>>1639
>>1640
>If you're afraid of making a Tulpa or just don't believe in it/have time to do it, imaginary friends can easily become Tulpas if you're a Hikki. Because you can just imagine them by your side, conversing constantly without shit like school or jobs getting in the way.
I actually took some time to read a bit about tulpas, and as it turns out, I nearly made one a few years back. I was depressed and lonely, so I thought up a girl to keep me company. I would have conversations with her in my mind, we would talk about shows, games, current events, anything really. She would even try to cheer me up when I was depressed, or call me out when I did or said something stupid. Of course I realize that it was really just me making observations about myself through a separate imaginary entity, but even still, it helped me through a difficult time in my life. The only thing about her that kept her form being a fully-realized, persistent tulpa, was that she didn't really have a concrete identity at the time.
Thinking back on it now, the only reason I stopped imagining her was because I thought I was going mad. Sometimes our conversations would drag on for so long, that I would catch myself about to speak out loud and stop myself before someone overheard me talking to no one. I didn't realize that there was an actual term for what I had created in my mind, and I thought it was unhealthy and crazy, so I stopped. Of course, I'm still lonely, but I just never thought to bring her back for those reasons.
I could probably bring her back, and I think it would ultimately do a lot of good, since it would help with the loneliness and crippling depression, and may even push me to make more positive changes in my life. The only big downside that I can see is that if I ever eventually get back out into the world, I don't want to end up meeting people and abandoning her. It would feel wrong to essentially create a person, and then end her existence for my own convenience. At the same time though, I've always been a pretty anti-social person and I try to avoid spending time with other people as much as possible, so it may not be a problem at all.
What do you guys think? Should I bring her back to the point of becoming a fully-fledged, persistent tulpa? Or should I just leave my social interactions to 8chan like I usually do?
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引きこもり 11/12/17 (Sun) 02:02:00 afea06 No. 1721
>>1414
All the time but I don't do shit because after failing so much I'm scared af about failure
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引きこもり 11/12/17 (Sun) 02:04:51 0e3a8b No. 1722
>>1721
>All the time but I don't do shit because after failing so much I'm scared af about failure
I know that feel bro.
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引きこもり 11/17/17 (Fri) 20:31:45 cb0414 No. 1855
i have a tupla.
you can read about her; http://pasted.co/182306ba
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引きこもり 11/17/17 (Fri) 23:36:37 0e3a8b No. 1857
>>1855
Very interesting anon.
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引きこもり 11/19/17 (Sun) 08:42:00 f663af No. 1878
I have moments where I imagine myself being successful in the movie business or at least popular in a few tv shows. Then I act like I'm being interviewed at the red carpet premiere or at a reputable talk show.
If I have trouble sleeping, I have my own created universe and play scenarios in my head of what my life would be any different or something completely fictional. More like the what-ifs. It would help me go to sleep. It's weird but I just like doing it.
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引きこもり 11/19/17 (Sun) 09:24:50 0e3a8b No. 1881
>>1878
>I have moments where I imagine myself being successful in the movie business or at least popular in a few tv shows
Same here
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引きこもり 11/19/17 (Sun) 11:50:08 09aade No. 1883
Watashi wa had a major problem with this for most of my life.
I was never really social and I never cared for the fleshnet so I lived in my own world.
A few years ago I noticed that I had difficulty not daydreaming so I forced myself to be in the present moment and now I rarely daydream.
I guess I just got depressed with the fact that my daydreams aren't actually happening so there is really no point in doing it.
I'll still visualize about things I want though.
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引きこもり 11/19/17 (Sun) 11:55:09 09aade No. 1884
>>1699
Stuff like this is why I forced myself to stop daydreaming so much.
A couple years ago I tried transitioning and I had an entirely different persona constructed of myself that started feeling like it was beginning to become a split personality and when I tried the pills I started hearing voices and seeing things … so yeah to help myself slip back into my body and mind I just focused on the present moment and what felt innate and truly "me".
I'm back in my body now but every now and then I have intrusive thoughts and sensations that come and go on their own.
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引きこもり 11/20/17 (Mon) 01:20:02 0e9c92 No. 1890
>>1884
>A couple years ago I tried transitioning and I had an entirely different persona constructed of myself that started feeling like it was beginning to become a split personality
Back when I made that girl in my mind I was also afraid that I was losing my grip on reality. A few days ago I tried to bring back the image of her to keep myself company, but since it has been several years since I last imagined her, I quickly realized that it wasn't something that I needed in my life anymore. It sounded nice at first, the thought of creating a person in my mind to have a decent conversation with. However, I decided against it because over the past few years I have learned to work out my problems on my own, rather than through an imaginary confidant. So although the idea of a tulpa was a bit appealing, it was ultimately redundant to me.
I still like to daydream though, I hate reality too much to give up my fantasies.
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引きこもり 11/20/17 (Mon) 01:34:17 0e3a8b No. 1891
>>1890
>I hate reality too much to give up my fantasies.
I know that feel anon to be honest i'm scared to even face reality.
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引きこもり 11/20/17 (Mon) 01:44:37 633c24 No. 1893
>>1890
>I still like to daydream though, I hate reality too much to give up my fantasies.
It's why I daydream too. It's also why I love writing fictional worlds with fictional people and yet, even when I go out of my way to make them disgustingly evil, they turn out more amiable than real people.
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引きこもり 11/20/17 (Mon) 06:24:23 402591 No. 1899
>>1890
Something I have found that isn't as likely to damage your psyche and cause severe psychological issues is roleplaying in video games.
I'll play a game and project myself into the character and go about as if I'm actually inside that world, it's much more immersive than daydreaming and the worst you have to worry about is depersonalization which is pretty easy to get out of.
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引きこもり 11/20/17 (Mon) 21:57:20 f663af No. 1910
>>1899
I do that on Skyrim. If anyone believes in reincarnation or just the idea of being born in another reality, I'd love to be in the Elder Scrolls universe. I don't have to be some well known person. I would be okay if I knew my past life and I'm a shitty peasant. As long as I'm in a reality better than this one that we're in right now.
The thing is with daydreaming, it doesn't make me lose myself. Rather I lose myself into a made up reality but I'm still fully aware of the reality that I am actually in. Maybe it has to do with the lucid dreaming that I sometimes do when I try to go to sleep. I know it's different from daydreaming but like what I said: >>1878 , it's fun for me to do it.
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引きこもり 11/25/17 (Sat) 22:12:48 0e9c92 No. 1989
>>1893
>even when I go out of my way to make them disgustingly evil, they turn out more amiable than real people
I can believe it. You know the common gripe people have about how villains in tv/film are uninteresting because they are 'evil for the sake of being evil,' and that makes them less realistic? Well, it doesn't when you really think about it. To elaborate, when you make those characters in your writing, do you give them reasons for their sinister actions? I bet you do to some degree. And although that makes them more interesting and entertaining, it does not always make them more realistic. Think about the dickheads from high school, were they deep, provocative people? Nope. They were just dickheads. There was no rhyme or reason for them acting like assholes, there was no complex backstory that lead to them being shitty, they just were. So in terms of fictional works, the villains who are just evil to be evil may not make for good story-telling, but they are realistic, because our world is full of people who are just plain shitty for no good reason. And that, anon, is likely why your characters are more amiable then people in the real world.
>>1899
I already do that pretty often. It's why I have always been more drawn to open-world games, RPGs, and MMORPGs, because they give me enough content to immerse myself in a different world for extended periods of time and effectively create a sort of second-life to escape to.
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引きこもり 11/25/17 (Sat) 23:40:50 0e3a8b No. 1994
>>1989
>You know the common gripe people have about how villains in tv/film are uninteresting because they are 'evil for the sake of being evil,' and that makes them less realistic? Well, it doesn't when you really think about it. To elaborate, when you make those characters in your writing, do you give them reasons for their sinister actions? I bet you do to some degree. And although that makes them more interesting and entertaining, it does not always make them more realistic. Think about the dickheads from high school, were they deep, provocative people? Nope. They were just dickheads. There was no rhyme or reason for them acting like assholes, there was no complex backstory that lead to them being shitty, they just were. So in terms of fictional works, the villains who are just evil to be evil may not make for good story-telling, but they are realistic, because our world is full of people who are just plain shitty for no good reason. And that, anon, is likely why your characters are more amiable then people in the real world.
True but i am a believer in that shitty people or even monsters aren't born they are created to be honest.
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引きこもり 11/26/17 (Sun) 01:25:23 633c24 No. 1998
>>1989
Pretty much, mate, that's pretty accurate.
A lot of people in my writing are somewhat based on people I know or have known IRL, though of course heavily rewritten. For example, the sister of MC is moreso a typical fat dyke SJW-type, rather than reminiscent of my actual sister, and yet a random character somewhere else in the story might take some notes FROM my sister, if that makes sense.
I spend a lot of time, way too much, frankly, wondering why person X treated me like crap in the past, and that justification, I think, shines through in my writing, when most likely, it just comes from those people being unable to control their emotions and/or not wanting to waste their time with me anymore.
Either way, it makes me giggle whenever people online say that a life without "friends" must be "sad", when really, it's far less stressful. No one there to bring up your worst, most embarrassing moments, no one to lie and betray you, no one to screw you over when you need something… sure, I'm missing out on some stuff, but it's mostly degeneracy like drinking in bars anyway.
And going back to the topic in OP, I've had more interesting discussions with myself while daydreaming than I ever have with a normie.
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引きこもり 06/06/18 (Wed) 08:01:08 cf0fb6 No. 5747
All the time. I started off fantasizing when I was in bed before I would fall asleep and it eventually turned into something I would do at any time of day or night. I've made up a whole world with rules and even different characters, I imagine myself as a pretty girl with a feminine version of my name. It might not be much but I do enjoy it and I think it might actually help me in some way to continue living. I'm unhappy in the real world but I always have that escape. This has helped make my imagination somewhat strong.
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引きこもり 06/07/18 (Thu) 04:42:20 c4bd39 No. 5751
I did it a lot more when I was younger and didn't have an unlimited supply of anime, video games, books and software and hardware to mess around with. Now I mostly do it when I'm not doing anything else, or while I do some mindless daily activity, or when I feel like talking to someone else. If it's a specific real person, I just make them in my own head and simulate an interaction. I use my imagination experimentally a lot. It's strongly connected to my thoughts in general, so it's always pretty active. Pretty useful, kinda like a VM that can emulate things in reality, but I can't really turn it off, and maybe it would be better if I could. Still, I am too realistic to let it get out of control. Reality gives me more material to work with in my imagination in the first place, so I would rather not spend all of my time doing that like back then. Still happens a lot.
>>5747
Careful there. You are apparently under the influence of the modern gynocentric culture. Become what you want to be as a male, which is what you are, but don't try to be a woman and don't self-mutilate, that won't actually fulfill anything, it will just destroy you entirely. The idea that beauty belongs to women is a very old lie, buried under a giant mountain of propaganda, make-up and fancy clothes that you're supposedly not allowed to make use of yourself. Honestly, I look better than them and I wouldn't even know how to use make-up, though it could be useful at some point. If you don't reject the lie, that can lead to self-loathing and you may end up hurting yourself. 3DPD women are actually shitty and boring, and most of them actually look like old hags even in their 20's but just hide it behind the make-up. Don't glorify them when you have a better brain, a better body that isn't limited by reproductive tools, better genitals and a more interesting existence. Only real women can actually enjoy being real women. I hope this guarantees your safety somehow.
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引きこもり 06/07/18 (Thu) 06:04:55 cf0fb6 No. 5752
>>1699
I've done that too. I like to think of her as her own person with her own dreams, schedule, interests, voice, all of that. Somebody might tell me that's unhealthy but I would probably be much different and maybe not even be alive today if it weren't for her. She feels very healthy and her presence makes life much more bearable, she treats me better than almost anybody ever has and I appreciate her every day. I try not to think about the details and the "reality" of her though, it might make things problematic later.
>>5751
I'm unhappy for many reasons in the real world and not being a woman doesn't have that much to do with them. I appreciate your concern but I'm not that far gone. I also never said I imagine myself as a 3d but instead a 2d (they look infinitely better than 3d honestly). I do this because I never liked being me, what I do now is helpful for me, it gives me peace and an escape. I don't know what you think I fantasize about but it's not a very realistic world in my head, no way I would keep myself stuck in something so boring.
I know 3d women are shitty, no doubt about it. But I'm very sure they have life so much easier than guys do except maybe for periods but that's a minor sacrifice for the many other things they have handed to them.
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引きこもり 06/07/18 (Thu) 07:20:45 c4bd39 No. 5755
>>5752
Just making sure that you're fine, since a lot of people seem to have issues with being male, in general, and that's a terrible symptom of living in the current world, that basically worships women. Still, there are definitely ways of being more satisfied with who you are. You can add more realistically accessible aesthetic archetypes to your own preferences, for instance. My sense of male beauty actually only awakened when I was already 18, and it increased as I developed and understood more things, and my increasing disdain for women pushed it even further. I think a lot of people would hate me for saying that, but it's still worth saying. You can actually even gradually change the things that you like to some extent. You can also like something without feeling the need to become it. The body can always be improved using its own natural mechanics as well, having realistic goals.
Being able to appreciate yourself physically would probably be good for you. Youth doesn't last forever, unfortunately (except for me, possibly, since I haven't aged in 7 years, and actually seem to have aged backwards a little bit), but physically manifesting higher values and ideals can still be a good thing for your appreciation of yourself. Physical things are inherently shitty, since they aren't eternal, and frequently don't last very long, but it's still nice when the body reflects your mind and spirit for a little while, forming a more coherent whole. And it's generally pleasant to be in good shape and have more control of yourself. It goes beyond aesthetics.
I like enjoying being who I am a lot more than not enjoying it, like in the past, so maybe this is a valid suggestion. Even though I'm still a loser that can't function in society (but society is demonstrably broken in every way, so that doesn't alter my evaluation of myself at all). I guess the short version is that you should try to achieve some state that will allow you to appreciate yourself, whatever it may be, within the limitations that were given to you by reality, since going against that is self-destructive.
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引きこもり 06/07/18 (Thu) 11:19:20 c89809 No. 5756
>>5747
> I imagine myself as a pretty girl with a feminine version of my name.
I do that too sometimes. It seems like a really common fantasy among hikkis.
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