9d2fd1 No.295219 [View All]
>Waifu Hunter(a joke curator) shit talks Read Only Memories
>Grayson gets triggered because he's friends with the devs(he even disclosed it lel)
>Waifu Hunter is also dangerously close to Kotaku's amount of followers as a curator
>kuchera joins in on twitter
https://archive.is/ZtV3e
This is amazing. Journos got triggered that they can't control the narrative and people can shit talk the artsy fartsy games their friends make.
A bloo bloo only we should be able to spout drivel.
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9d2fd1 No.295258
To be fair, he actually does have a point. It seems to have taken someone making light of a friend's game for him to see it, but the entire curator system is retarded. Everyone I know was calling it retarded from the moment it became a thing, and making it so that devs can cherry-pick what curation blurb they want to have show up on their store page does make it even more awful.
The solution of "better moderation" is totally retarded though, and trying to shut down joke curators is similarly idiotic.
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9d2fd1 No.295259
>>295258
what exactly is the problem with the curator system
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9d2fd1 No.295260
>>295259
it erodes the previously unchecked power of 'professional' 'video game' 'journalists'
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9d2fd1 No.295263
>>295260
I think this is a good time to make a point I've wanted to make for quite a while:
I think the gamer masses can be pretty fucking stupid and hivemindey too, and worse yet, they will often use the buzzwords and incoherent newspeak of 'professional' reviewers to sound 'smart' (a fun thing I came across recently in a Gamefaqs review: a game is "a blast to play" and "very fun", but the very same gameplay is "not compelling" - "compelling" being a bullshit ass-pull word when in reality what he meant was "I don't think it changed enough when compared to the first game").
You can also have a game that's enjoyable on its own terms but doesn't fit its series, but instead of saying "this is not a good [series] game, but a good game on its own" they'll just say "this is a garbage fuck game what a piece of cowabunga shit!!!!!!!!!" (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter is a good example)
Then you have the opposite problem when you have shit like the Steam & PC Metacritic pages for DmC which are full of "10/10 FUCK THE HATERS" reviews which are clearly only there as a kneejerk backlash to the fanbase's negative reaction, not actually bringing up any of the very objective issues the fans have with the combat system for example.
The opinions of self described "discerning gamers" are also hugely influenced by years and years of cumming over professional reviewers. Rebelling against the leeches that make up game journalism is a very new thing; not too long ago even people on /v/ worshiped cunts like Adam Sessler because they agreed with him on whether a game was good or bad, ignoring the terrible content and argumentation of the review itself (if you can acknowledge a review as shit despite agreeing with the premise, congrats, you have standards).
But in the end, I still have more hope for players than I do for corrupt, cronyism-fueled gaming media and I WANT an environment where you can rise up as an influential figure simply by gaining an audience, not by sucking the dicks of "game critic celebs"; if worse comes to worst, the great majority of gamers will always be hivemindey but at the very least there will be lots and lots of DIFFERENT cliques and you'll be able to get a good idea of what a game is like by reading multiple viewpoints from all the individual groups (this is what I do with politics actually)
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9d2fd1 No.295264
>>295263
But I guess what I'm saying is, I don't want anti-""""professional"""" sentiment to result in thoughtless worship of the general "WE THE GAMERS" opinions or something because game culture itself was deeply influenced by the pretentious culture of "professional reviewers" and has a long way to go.
User reviews can be barely discernible from game journalism; while I'm sure many find them to be "cancerous overrated ignorant e-celebs", /v/-spawn Youtube video game analysis types like HyperBitHero and Mattewmatosis are way more honest and look like they're using their actual words and opinions to talk about something vs spouting predetermined words and phrases like robots. Yeah those opinions are influenced by /v/ "hardcore gamer" types, but it's not pandering either and they are capable of disagreeing with their clique.
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9d2fd1 No.295265
>>295264
Professional journalists have shown themselves to be hostile to the consumer base that in the end pays their bills as well as for sale to the highest bidder.
Add in cronyism and explain to me why they shouldn't all be figuratively burned at the stake?
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9d2fd1 No.295266
>>295259
Well, it's a system that pretty arbitrarily highlights random people's Twitter-tier reviews of games which encourages people to not look at more in depth user reviews, and in its current form allows devs to cherry pick the most fawning curation blurb of their game.
In general the curation system also seems designed to be people recommending games, not critiquing them. The part of the game's store page listing curators specifically says "Recommended by Curators," and now to actually find out that Waifu Hunter doesn't recommend the game you have to go to the Waifu Hunter curation page. Now on the store page it is just another one of the 16 curators that recommends people play ROM. So it's just another thing trying to get people to buy a game without looking at actual user reviews or finding a lets play of it to see actual gameplay. Curation will almost never warn someone away from a bad game, only encourage people to buy a game.
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9d2fd1 No.295267
>>295265
I'm not saying 'professionals' are not fucking terrible, I'm saying we shouldn't view user reviews as the objectively good shiny golden heroes of gaming who will save us from the Adam Sesslers of mainstream reviews because those user reviews still often reflect the prejudices of years and years of taking shitty "professional" reviews seriously and being impacted by them.
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9d2fd1 No.295268
>>295267
>we shouldn't view user reviews as the objectively good shiny golden heroes of gaming who will save us from the Adam Sesslers
That's not what this topic is about, it's about tweaking the nose of retards at Kotaku.
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9d2fd1 No.295269
Also, what the fuck is up with the desync between front page of board and posts in threads? Shit takes like 5 minutes to catch up.
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9d2fd1 No.295271
waifu hunter never fails to amuse me
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9d2fd1 No.295272
>>295268
I'm just saying, we should promote user reviews over Kotaku & Polygon & whatnot but they shouldn't be idealized either. People are people and can be just as influenced by manipulative buzzwords and groupthink.
>>295266 actually has a good point, I admittedly expected something dumb but it's something that should be considered.
I really like honest analysis, even if it's not particularly deep or coming from game design experts. Simply thinking deeply about what you like about a game and what you dislike and what makes for engaging design is always going to be more interesting than meme opinions.
Basically I think games writing is harmed by the type of stuff George Orwell talked about long ago:
>modern writing at its worst does not consist in picking out words for the sake of their meaning and inventing images in order to make the meaning clearer. It consists in gumming together long strips of words which have already been set in order by someone else, and making the results presentable by sheer humbug.
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9d2fd1 No.295273
>>295219
>Waifu Hunter(a joke curator)
LIES
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9d2fd1 No.295277
>>295266
It's not arbitrary unless you don't follow a curator that curated that.
And then it's based on popularity.
And it offers multiple curators.
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9d2fd1 No.295279
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9d2fd1 No.295282
>>295219
Nathan Grayson returns.
In this case he's right, Curators do need revamping so I don't have to see shit like Kotaku, Polygon, Judas Sterling and Sarkeesian when I'm browsing Steam. Only showed followed Curators or don't bother showing them at all.
And n.
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9d2fd1 No.295289
>>295253
There was already an op awhile back for techraptor and others to push kotaku off the front page.
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9d2fd1 No.295298
>All these big media companies being salty because individuals in their basements are replacing them
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9d2fd1 No.295301
>>295298
To be fair, that HAS to hurt like fuck. Plus, now they're gonna have to get new jobs, and games journalism is already regarded as bottom of the barrel.
Bitches gon b werkin retail.
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9d2fd1 No.295320
Just a reminder that the GG curator is still on page 7
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9d2fd1 No.295326
>>295219
> Anyone can be a Steam curator
Anyone can be a journo too. You just need to suck the right political correct cock and you get in
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9d2fd1 No.295340
>>295267
>>295272
Most user reviews are all about poking fun of the game's defining issues and/or for the lulz. I have gone through a few that don't say anything other than a witty quip. Dumb stuff mostly.
However I would take hundreds of gamer quips over a shit curator like Kotaku pretending to be professional when we know they are anything but. These fuckers deserve no sympathy.
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9d2fd1 No.295357
>>295340
>However I would take hundreds of gamer quips over a shit curator like Kotaku pretending to be professional
Truth can be easier to find in jest and quips, then it can be found in seriousness.
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9d2fd1 No.295395
>>295219
Which is it? We want disclosure or we do not?
Props for disclosing. It makes the article flavoured with salt, but finding out in the article instead of by archived is a good thing. Let's not mock them for finally giving us what we asked.
>>295282
Yes, please. At the very least a 'Not interested in what this curator thinks" button.
Actually, I'd rather that. Finding new curators who can actually write a decent review is a nice thing.
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9d2fd1 No.295438
>>295320
It hasn't been updated for 12+ months, what the fuck do you expect?
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9d2fd1 No.295464
>>295246
What about anothers below Waifu Hunter? If those are solid it could be useful to boost above Kotaku or even Credits.
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9d2fd1 No.295481
>>295340
>Most user reviews are all about poking fun of the game's defining issues and/or for the lulz
This is implying "most reviews" are negative and… no, not really
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9d2fd1 No.295486
> People are choosing what to read & watch!
> I miss the old days of mainstream media when you had no choice but reading us!
> Fuck meritocracy!
>>295242
> their mainstream publication with a paid staff and years' worth of loyal drones got beat out by some guy just speaking his own mind.
… and they'll try their best at defending their right for safe spaces and control. Their stupid paper at the U.N. had to be removed because the no-sense was too big, even for U.N. standards. They're beyond fucked, they don't fully comprehend it yet and they will lose everything.
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9d2fd1 No.295487
>>295395
> Which is it? We want disclosure or we do not?
We want.
It's still funny that they believe they can be taken seriously when making "totally honest" reviews about their disclosured friends.
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9d2fd1 No.295492
>>295247
Because most hypsters didn't live in the 80s, barelly in the 90s when in some countries it was 80s: the sequel.
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9d2fd1 No.295493
So what alternative system are they proposing here? It seems like "the most popular curators are the ones people actually want to read that recommend games they want to play" works perfectly fine.
What are they requesting? That Steam instead offers top spots to certain "elite" curators that are cozy with management?
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9d2fd1 No.295497
>>295395
The main reason to push for disclosure is to force them to get someone who isn't fucking the sources to write the article, because if every article starts with "I'm shilling my mates" like this one, it makes them look as disreputable as they are. Basically, we're laughing at them being forced to disclose how corrupt they are.
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9d2fd1 No.295500
>>295395
Of course we want disclosure.
But does that mean it's okay for them to make articles because a steam curator shit talked their DEV friends any less unprofessional and scummy?
No. In this situation RECUSAL or just NOT MENTIONING WAIFU HUNTER BUT GIVING ANOTHER EXAMPLE would have been the correct action.
Disclosure is a compromise for when you absolutely cannot avoid a conflict of interest so you must make it obvious.
Not a get out of jail card.
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9d2fd1 No.295507
>>295219
>However, I have nothing to say about the quality of the game, as it’s not relevant to this article.
He knows the game is shit, he just cant say it without "triggering" his game dev friends into quitting the industry. Grayson just doesn't like the fact that people can be actually honest about a title if it is shit.
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9d2fd1 No.295561
>>295301
>retail
>hiring any permanent employees
>2015
Even McDonalds is laying people off. These people are going to end up homeless in San Francisco.
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9d2fd1 No.295571
>>295279
love it, love everything about it
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9d2fd1 No.295585
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9d2fd1 No.295843
>>295247
Tank Police and, at a push, Bubblegum Crisis… there was one about a robot cop thing I seem to recall having perms and triangular earrings, too.
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9d2fd1 No.298552
>>295271
oh, gabe, you based bastard.
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9d2fd1 No.298969
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9d2fd1 No.298971
>>298969
>1,081 people to go
Tell your friends, tell your enemies.
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9d2fd1 No.303183
Holy shit guys, we did it.
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9d2fd1 No.303186
>>303183
No surprise there, journalists don't know what we want. They want to whitewash things and sterilize them, when we just want them to be real with us. It's much more fun to read a funny yet surprisingly honest review than it is to be told not to buy something because it is offensive to someone somewhere.
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9d2fd1 No.303240
>>303234
#notalljournalists
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9d2fd1 No.303245
>>295219
>Waifu Hunter(a joke curator)
You take that back.
Somehow that joke is better than 99% of curators out there and he knows the waifu market well enough to make me consider some games.
I literally trust a man searching for waifus more than Kotaku and IGN for vidya because at least he's honest and is knowledgeable on the subject.
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9d2fd1 No.303293
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9d2fd1 No.303368
>>303183
Excellent. Now let's push Kotaku even lower.
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9d2fd1 No.303630
>>303293
40 kektakus
Don't forget to follow Milo's citation list, just for spite http://steamcommunity.com/groups/MiloY#curation
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9d2fd1 No.309418
>>295248
What's wrong with yuri fans? I like yuri and I wouldn't say I'm mentally unwell, then again the only thing of mine that "interacts with the community" is my python script that crawls dynasty-scans.
Please elaborate, I want to know how long do I have until I can't get my fix anymore because "hurr durr privilege and sexism".
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9d2fd1 No.326148
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