/fringe/ - Fringe

>>95710

Spot the irony?

>>95710

There's this thing called a gun cid.

Christians at least usually believe magic is possible, albeit most believe it's demonic 😂

>>95893

There have been a number of works on Christian Magick, one of which was read by Pope John Paul II.

>>95853

Ok so there's some "debunking" shit where someone skewers themselves intentionally through very specific areas in the body being careful not to touch nerves. Basically like a body piercing. Creates a car that they hide and they can run something through.

This is no way however actually debunks shit and is a lame "debunk" because Mirin Dajo would pierce himself with swords all over the place, even through organs, and be examined by doctors.

Anyways how is it done? Basically your whole body is a live collection of cells and if you have a super high level of awareness and self-control you can make the open up and close around stuff and basically become invulnerable n' shit. Somewhat related to how you can become invulnerable to fire; which fedoras try to debunk with stuff about people running across coals (any mundane can do this) but fail to explain people who sit in the middle of a shitload of fire for several minutes while their shoes and clothing burns off and they do not die.

>>81903

Leftypol fags and goons in a nutshell.

>>95998

There isn't anything to convince someone else. Naive beginners have a hard time with this. But there is something to it, alas in the form of psychotherapy. It is sleight of mind instead of sleight of hand magic. The results are only "real" to that individual's perception of reality. So in one way it can beneficial to them in how they interact with their world, especially if it brings meaning to them. However, it can also be destructive if they let slip their grip on reality and turn it over to the possibility of something else controlling their destiny. This paranoia we see a lot of, even on here. Maturity and stability of life is important as experiences gained through life naturally are not turned over to the realm of fantasy.

>>81903

"Magic isnt real. You are schizophrenic. Give up everything that you gained in your reality and start at square one and worship me and my ways in my reality! I know you made progress in your world, you feel infinitely more free, and you are using what you learned to make the world a better place, but you should just smack yourself in the head until you are a thoughtless dunce who needs their whole life programmed for them like me! Please just suck like me! Misery needs company! Don't solve misery, come down to hell and do absolutely fucking nothing with your life like me!" - Mundane Faggot

>>96013

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little nigger? I’ll have you know I graduated up to Step 7 of IIH and I’ve been involved in numerous secret works with the White Brotherhood, and I have over 300 confirmed VOLTS. I am trained in advanced loosh farming and I’m the top succubus evoker in the entire astral plane. You are nothing to me but just another semen demon. I will nail you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in the 10 sephiroths, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with doing that shit to me on 4chon? Think again, turksperg. As we speak I am contacting my top network of familiars I received from high level elementals and your astral location in this holographic universe is being traced right now so you better prepare for the possession, maggot. The possession that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your individuality and sucks you dry of all life force. You're fucking dead, normie. I can be anywhere on the chans at anytime, and I can loosh farm you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s without my wizard hat and nail clipper for blood magick sacrifices. Not only am I extensively trained in astral vampirism, but I have access to the entire array of astral books detailing secret and unheard of works of very serious magick and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the spiritual plane, turk. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little act of cumming on my picture was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking meat stick and conserved that loosh. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn degenerate. I will farm you so hard you will be sucked up dry by it. You’re fucking dead, thanks for the loosh, mundane.

So how do I cast fireballs?

>>96029

Eat Mexican.

>>96024

this was fun to read. I liked the original. I even first posted the original that this is a version of.

>>91057

Anyone else see "fnord" here?

>>98050

"Carrie Fisher is doing well. She made a bunch of great life decisions, and that is why Disney will never collect that $50,000,000 insurance payment. She will probably life forever, and all those Bar and Bats Mitsvahs will never get paid for. Jews are fucking retarded. And if she does die it will be insurance fraud and she and Disney will split the 50 million and she will retire on some island." - Harrison Fjord

>>98052

>>>98050

Wow Jared Kucksner needs to go bang his tranny wife IVAN and stop editing my posts. I didn't have any typos. Fucking jew faggot.

>>98050

"Carrie Fisher is doing very well. She made a bunch of great life decisions, and that is why Disney will never collect that $50,000,000 insurance payment. She will probably live forever, and all those Bar and Bats Mitsvahs will never get paid for. Jews are fucking retarded. And if she does die it will be insurance fraud and she and Disney will split the 50 million and she will retire on some island." - Harrison Fnord

Now if you'd please excuse me, I'm gonna go eat a plain pizza. I don't need any Ivan Trump nipples on it, and I don't need any Jared Kucksner tiny sausage either. It's just a cheese pizza, and I'm not talking P*dest* cheese pizza, I'm talking about bread, sauce, cheese, and light sprinkles of various seasonings. Holy fuck thanks for ruining the English language Hillary!

>>98055

If that post doesn't make you laugh you've been to Epstein Island and you need to reevaluate your decision to not blow your fucking brains out.

>>98056

It's not funny because Ivanka and Kushner have nothing to do with any of that shit

>>98056

It's not funny because Ivanka and Kushner have nothing to do with any of that shit

>>98056

It's not funny because Ivanka and Kushner have nothing to do with any of that shit

thank you

>>98715

Are you trying to say that modern science explains all phenomena or what?

What the hell do LEDs have to do with anything?

>'Science' is being pretty arrogant in quantum mechanics right now; without getting past this magic is pretty much denied by science. So it might be a while

I made this claim and I stand by it, and am willing to support it with however much logic you delusional faggots demand

>>98715

>Why don't we ever see levitating marsupials?

…because their brains are fucking SMOOTH and their nervous systems inferior. They're retarded low-energy animals.

>>98940

No it's because they have never seen television or watched movies or read books or listened to those who stimulated the imagination and feed their MINDS the CONCEPTUAL NUTRIENTS required to aspire to great creative accomplishment. Totally a result of nurture, rather than nature.

>>107139

*tips*

What if he can explain exactly why anything happens though?

What if I could look into your body, see what sickness is there, tell you exactly the cause of it, and exactly the solution for it, and exactly what happens if you ignore my advice, and everything plays out exactly as I said it would for you?

>>107271

then you could still be making a false claim whose prediction turned out lucky for you via coincidence

>>107271

What if I could LARP on /fringe/ about powers I don't actually have?

>>107971

That's literally the point of this board.

…if magic existed, couldn't you just magic me into believing in it?

>>107972

Unfortunately, it is.

Oh man. You guys are priceless. You babble about noticing the thought of others. People react to thinking I think about them the way they react to the thought of God thinking about them. If telepathy is real I owe the world some apologies. I'm not thinking your thoughts. You're thinking mine.

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>>115757

Hogwarts is full of preppy ivy-league tryhards anyways. Limey bastards.

>>82354

that would only work if you've already gotten them to loosen the grip on their fedora.

Skepticism isnt about proving people wrong. thats what edgy kids that read Dawkins and Sagan think.

I'm a Skeptic because I want to find the true nature of things and see through deception. If magick is truly real, I would want to have sure proof that it's real before I start putting my energy into it.

Stop being so self conscious that you think anyone that thinks differently from you is personally attacking you. I know theres some secret bullshit that stops you from just telling me how to do it, but honestly I just want to know if it's real or not first.

Its hard to tell on the internet because most of it are just lies or people who convinced themselves through poorly constructed logic that magic is real and they just dick tease people on /fringe/ because its the only thing that gives their life a semblance of control.

Don't treat skeptics as adversaries, they are a lot like you

(if youre telling the truth) they just are curious and want to learn most of the time.

>>116487

Before you read my tl;dr posts, let me put magic in materialist terms: Magic is a controlled placebo, it's playing pretend until that pretending has an effect upon the experience of the world and its elements. If you're a hard materialist, it's best to assume that it's all a bunch of horseshit and we're just adults with mental problems.

Now that that's out of the way, your post deserves an answer by an actual scientist, which I can provide. To lend some background so that you have some idea of my familiarity with the hard sciences, the scientific method, and the philosophy of science, I have a dual degree in biochemistry and pre-medicine from a public state university, granted within the last five years. I currently work as a research scientist involved in identifying foodborne pathogens. This is no appeal to authority, only an indicator to you that I am not a stranger to STEM fields when I respond here.

>If magick is truly real, I would want to have sure proof that it's real before I start putting my energy into it.

That's not the case. Unless you are the first human in history to do so, you most certainly do not base your interests and investments of your time and energy on the objective truth value of that thing. You base your value off of the personal incentives they provide to you.

Science being 'real' simply cannot be your primary motivator because you don't actually know whether or not any particular datum you classify as scientific is objectively true. You, I am quite certain, do not base your ideas about how the universe is structured on only the experiments which you can independently verify, and if you do, boy you must be an exceptionally busy person to have experimentally proven everything up to the point of being able to claim that skepticism is worth your time. People's motivations have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not things are empirically correct, and everything to do with whether or not the experiences of those interests hold incentives.

>I'm a Skeptic because I want to find the true nature of things and see through deception.

Your motivation is that you want your investment of time and energy to pay off decently, and you don't want to be made a fool of or taken advantage of, because that's embarrassing and costly. The "true nature of things" has nothing to do with it, because even scientifically, nobody has a clue what that is. If I tell you that an electron cloud orbits around the atomic nuclei, which is made up of protons and neutrons, does that suddenly give you insight into the true nature of an atom? You may have an idea that this is true because you've heard it before and it fits practically well into the scientific model you're familiar with, but you'd have to take someone else's word for it, and any insight which you would feel about this would be based on hearsay. What is the "true nature" of atoms? Does anyone have any idea? I can tell you things all day about covalent and ionic bonding, does that suddenly give you insight as to how your body doesn't just randomly fly apart into a million little disconnected pieces? No, absolutely not, and furthermore, your body wasn't flying apart even before you learned about bonding.

My point is that scientific truths are objective because it maintains the narrative of science for that to be true. Taken far enough, the chaining of burdens of proof always runs up against the problem that you must in some way take all these things on faith. They are true only to the extent that they have practical, workable value as truths. For all the awards science pins upon itself about how the scientific method is great at refining data and models to fit the facts, the facts themselves are messy and imprecise no matter how far down you go. With the advent of quantum physics, this is taken to extremes so absurd that they make the average wizard look downright unimaginative!

>>116487

>I know theres some secret bullshit that stops you from just telling me how to do it

That has never been the case, it's just that your idea of how magic works has no relation to how magic actually works. There are free resources on how to carry out magical acts, but you don't actually perform them because you're waiting to see if they work, but the only proof of them working is if they fit within your idea of what magic is, and if your idea of magic is stuff that's impossible, then magic is never possible. The moment you are given material proof of a thing which is practically workable, you then attribute it to science, that's what science has been doing since it 'broke off' from magic. You've set up conditions such that it is impossible to prove magic. Science just plays word games when it discovers magic. Google "quantum pseudo-telepathy" and then come back and try to tell me that it fits in any way, shape, or form with either classical physics or your normal experience.

Why is quantum pseudo-telepathy (just as an example) not called magic? Because at least two people in lab coats with degrees from universities that other people (their bosses) know the names of set up a series of objects in relation to a series of thoughts they had and decided to act upon, and then other people looked at those objects and their interactions and heard about the various thoughts those people in lab coats had, and those other people had thoughts of their own in turn that went along the lines of "wow, what a result but since their framework matches ours and the methodology is what we want, I guess that's right!" That's why it's called science. If you told some average person out on the street the gist of quantum pseudo-telepathy, they'd call that magic and wouldn't believe it, and yet if it has the veneer of peer-reviewed studies, suddenly, voila! It has all the versimilitude they need to buy it!

Magic is a catch-all term for what happens when you exert some conscious control over your various qualia. Whether or not this is imagined, the experience itself is the real thing. It is in fact the only thing you know, just experience, and even that, you may not be sure of. If other people seem to not be working based on your same experiences, that's because yours and theirs are not the same (interptetation being a considerable part of experience itself). With all due respect to the sciences, which I am still quite happily a part of, most magic is the realm of the soft sciences. Stating that magic doesn't exist is like stating that an abstract painting doesn't exist because it's just pigment and a binder, or that the art doesn't exist because you can't by hand replicate that result with the same ease as the artist. Magic's claims about reality are no more shocking than those of Greek solipsists.

>>81903

But you missed the point of fringe, which is you don't fucking tell anyone about it.

That's kind of how magic is influenced and if you not only have other dense people influencing YOU but your magic development too then you fucked up.

>>116490

Great post.

>>129752

>But you missed the point of fringe, which is you don't fucking tell anyone about it.

People like you need to neck yourself

OPs entertaining greentext aside, I do want to see examples and proofs of the supernatural and paranormal, it is fun. Here's the most convincing evidence I've seen so far (skip to the eight minute mark if impatient) https://youtu.be/ZkHZwpEZToQ