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>>138810

I've gotten a new japamala necklace and feel drawn to doing a single repetitive mantra for each of its 108 beads at the beginning of my meditations, for 10,000 plus repetitions over a period of a few months.

I've read much that suggests against calling god names in other languages and even using other languages in invocation and ritual. However, I feel drawn to do a personal mantra in Latin.

Along the lines of "I have clear astral sight.", "I am spiritually powerful" a simple declarative statement to impower the necklace and help bring me to that goal.

This of course is not traditional mantra yoga so a discussion seems in order. What are your perceptions about importance of language and tradition for mantra type techniques.

>>138810

Holy shit its dead out there. Is fringe dead? Can any lurkers tell me where everyone went? I came to infiniti chan just for this board.

>>138820

Thanks for the unrelated spam bump.

>>138811

>I've read much that suggests against calling god names in other languages and even using other languages in invocation and ritual.

Can you tell me more about this and where did you read about it?

>>138823

Not him but Book of Abramelin the Jew warns against it

>>138823

Its dangerous as you can be lied to about the nature of the god your calling, or the identity of the god your calling.

You can be purposely mislead on pronunciation which can make it void especially in languages that have vibrational and tonal value.

I've read many authors that strongly suggest against it or at the very least thoroughly research the meaning and proper pronunciation.

>>138823

I know you asked for sources, and I do believe 'The Sacred Magic Of Abramelin The Mage by Mac Gregor' Mathers as one place I've read it, but at this point I would consider it a reoccurring theme from white magicians.

I am adding on to my last response because it seems rather petty and I want to better convey the depth of the issue.

If you go back in time far enough into the past literature 1300s -1600s I've found what seems to be a dark age of spirituality or what also seems like one group consolidated and removed all competition from the esoteric realm. What has emerged from this point is a humanist type ideology based around qabalah, using the same recycled rituals under difference guises, what seems like choice in today’s English translations of western esotericism is in fact a market play for the same things. Secret traditions with our best interest telling us what these god names represent, I’ve read countless books stating that we should use Hebrew god names we do not know because they are ‘the only option’ and other languages are spiritually dead etc.

I’m concerned that we are feeding spiritual entities that we know nothing about because they aren’t part of our heritage or culture and we seek them out in the void we find ourselves in. As far as mantric yoga and easter tradition this concerned I have is less information to be concerned about, as from my perspective it seems like it is an unbroken and fairly transparent tradition, yet the eastern philosophies may not be good for the western temperament, and the translations to English remain overly complex and not very accessible. They also seem very foreign and unnatural, once again stoking my concern about temperamental differences making the practices incompatible, a problem many esotericists speak about, such as Dion Fortune in her first chapters of Mystical Qabalah.

I also think that maybe the best route of using the japamala beads would be in line with how prayer beads are used by Catholicism, and since the liturgy of the Catholics was done in Latin and they remained a powerful entity for so long I think that there must be some value for latin in spiritual use.

>>138830

>once again stoking my concern about temperamental differences making the practices incompatible, a problem many esotericists speak about, such as Dion Fortune in her first chapters of Mystical Qabalah.

This however was from Dion Fortune who was teaching qabalah the exact tradition I began to distrust. This would be a tactic to misguide, but I found her believable.

As well Evola in Ride the tiger speaks of the incompatibility of Easter and Western philosophy/mysticism.

Yet there are theories that the origins of Hinduism are Aryan so inherent incompatibility seems unlikely in that case.

>>138823

Use all the languages you

1. understand - I got into trouble messing with stuff I didn't understand, a few lessons before jumping in don't hurt.

2. works - what's the point of doing such action, if it has no value/ use what works, keep it simple

>>138828

>>lied to about the nature of the god

True.

Can be tough with dead languages to get things right, I've made mistakes that took me embarassing long time to discover, but INTENT can overcome some mistakes as the world is what you think it is. But if your blessing and praying for a focus which is wrong, it will probably go down the drain wrong. Universe will offer the closest WRONG thing that works nearest to what you prayed/blessed. - Universe gave you what you asked for.

Here's a meditation that uses six different gods for protection.

I could bring other gods in Additionally to this pattern of six gods/goddesses.

Additional gods can be tapped not just with this pattern. I use Hawaiian since that's where my grandma was born.

https://skullandcrosssmokies.neocities.org/wo.html

>>138810

Does anyone here have experience with mantra yoga?