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 No.137762

I think that god's omniscience is limited to actuality and not possibilities.

The reason I think this is any thought god thinks is manifested. If god thinks it; it is.

Consequently God only knows a thing because it was; all things then are subject to fate.

The only possibilities that can be considered by god are the speculations of men. If you think of a possible future god knows that for he is intimately acquainted with your thoughts.

I believe then that prayer is necessary. You must set aside time in your life time to speculate and to think about possibilities for only in the thinking of them can god know. God only knows what has been or will come to pass; god does not know the things that never were nor will be.

Alternatively if god's omniscience extends to all possibilities than all possibilities must be actualities in alternate universes that are all created and known within the mind of God simultaneously.

There is something macabre about this in that the vast majority of possible universes or timelines are really bad ones. There's infinitely more ways for things to fail horribly than there are ways for them to thrive.

I have two solutions for this. One solution is that the spirit or "awareness, a self that experiences" is not planted into everything thus not every life in this timeline or every other timeline if there are multiple universes is actually lived/experienced thus it is not suffered. I've seen stories like The Egg suggest that there is only one soul and we must live the lives of everyone that has ever lived on Earth and will live on Earth; the moral of that story ends up being treat everyone kindly as if they were yourself but even if you were to do that still the suffering would far outweigh the good. If you extend selfhood also to animals the problem is even worse; the vast majority of your time as an incarnate spirit would be suffering the horrible dullness and pains of all the various lower lifeforms and once in a very rare while ever getting to experience a human life. I tend to think of spirit however as something free from both mind and body; and one is not condemned to an eternity of having to wear every mind and body but is quite free of such bondage. The second solution is that there is only one universe and not every possible universe being manifested all at the same time.

The writings about elementals and other beings that lack the divine principle in them that is in man (or at least, some men) and which seek to be connected back to god by coming into possession of a man suggest to me that the incarnate spirit is not in all things. This allows for many universes which none the less are not suffered or even just this one universe but a lot of suffering indeed is avoided.

In conclusion for god to think a thing it must be, and for man to think a thing it must be considered by God, but god neither knows those things that are not thought up by men nor thought up by him, Man's thoughts as such play a critical role in informing God how the creation shall unfold and we must be sure to play our role in informing God through our thoughts by having had them. Our relationship to god through our thoughts is critical to god expressing his omniscience to the highest degree. All things are known through god and through the roles of his creatures.

To consider a possibility a creature such as man must think a thing and for a thing to be actual god must think that thing.

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 No.137763

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 No.137772

If god isn't capable of thinking of possibilities because all of his thoughts are true by default, then it's not the lack of imagination or ability but the limitation of a possibility not literally always being true. Then humans would be lacking in that their thoughts aren't true. I think this mostly points to man being made in the image of god.

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 No.137782

>>137763

Beautiful video and a nice theory.

>>137762

Let's see if I'm understanding you correctly. Perhaps we are all (you, I, everyone else in this thread or on this board) one soul living in different bodies and timelines simultaneously in this universe. I am you. You are me. We're the same soul, just living our separate rolls of the dice this time around. You are me. I am you. Through meditation and prayer, we share our thoughts and experiences with God which then influences creation.

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 No.137829

>>137782

>Perhaps we are all (you, I, everyone else in this thread or on this board) one soul living in different bodies and timelines simultaneously in this universe. I am you. You are me.

No dude that's The Egg bullshit and not what I was trying to say at all.

>We're the same soul, just living our separate rolls of the dice this time around. You are me. I am you.

No. Definitely not.

>Through meditation and prayer, we share our thoughts and experiences with God which then influences creation.

Yes true. God can not speculate or think in the way we do. In the Bible it says "my ways are not your ways". God is pure actuality. For God to think a thing is a creative act. Whatever he thinks; it is.

Man has a special relationship to god because it is only through man that god can have and experience probabilistic or speculative thought. If God were to think of a man, that man would take form in reality, but if man were to think of a man that man would be in potential only until God takes up that thought and turns it into reality.

Our minds have layers and filters. The left and right hemispheres. One part basically just does what its told whether it's good or bad, another part can think about thoughts critically and decide what should be passed on to the other part. Once both are synched properly you can create psychic phenomena like remote viewing.

Man can speculate, guess, be wrong; etc. but god can't except through knowing man (for god knows man's thoughts). God can never be wrong, can not speculate, can not make guesses, etc. god contains the whole of creation from beginning to end.

Something else btw I've been thinking about today is this. Time likely does not progress forward. That is the causal relations of sequence are not progressing from the past to the present with the future being some illusory nothing. Rather all things stand in eternity and the present is an unfolding of what already is in the future. The whole of time from beginning to end has already happened (in God). We are just moving through time by a processing of unfolding what already is.

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 No.137837

>>137762

>>137772

Neoplatonism solve this dilemma, all is one, one is god, so everybody is an aspect of the one. The one is enumerate in us and is hidden before us to find, then we go to the one. Know thy self;Nothing in excess;Surety brings ruin.

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 No.137839

>>137837

What texts do you recommend for learning Neoplatonism? (Besides Plato & Plotinus)

I really want to learn more about their cosmology but I haven't found any that go beyond Timaeus

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 No.137844

>>137837

This doesn't solve anything and gives nothing new to the speculation. This removes a layer of nuance if anything.

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 No.137850

>>137837

Read what Atkinson writes about those who confuse their own identity with that of God.

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 No.137851

Sorry for off-topic, just commenting here since it's the newest thread. Is this the most populated /fringe/ board right now or is there another bunker I'm not aware of?

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 No.137853

>>137851

>fringe

>populated

Hahahaha fringe is DEAD

Questions go in the questions thread. Saged and reported.

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 No.137875

>>137853

>Questions go in the questions thread. Saged and reported.

Questions go anywhere. You just can't start threads to ask questions.

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 No.137876

>>137851

>Is this the most populated /fringe/ board right now

It is the original /fringe/ and the most populated.

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