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 No.136860

I'm trying to understand the difference between the Sun "Yahweh", the demiurge (which I understand to be the same as the Sun) Lucifer (whom I understand to be Saturn aka Satan) am I getting this right? I'm trying really hard to understand the difference.

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 No.136861

You've got it completely wrong, your thread sucks, and it's made superfluous by at least 4 others.

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 No.136863

>>136860

Yahweh = iove = jove = jupiter

iove in latin is pronounced ee-a-w-ay

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 No.136864

Poopie thread friend, lurk more

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 No.136865

>>136860

All gods and deities are aspects of your inner nature, not external beings.

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 No.136899

>>136865

Can you source me up on that bro?

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 No.136905

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>>136899

It's one of the big secrets of esotericism, the easist way to source it would be investigating tibetan buddhism. Vajrayana practitioners meditate of buddha-deities in order to realize their own buddha-deity nature. "Buddha" here means inner spiritual maturity, not a dead guy from 2500 years ago.

When the mind is completely still, our fundamental nature, which is luminous and aware, shines forth through the "veil" that obscures it. This veil is created by conditioned existence, which is to say habits we nurture which lead away from enlightenment. Those habitual obscurations form the dreamlike illusion we call the outer world. All esotericism is an attempt to explain this same thing. Some traditions are more open with their secrets than others.

What we call the universe is created and destroyed, entirely, trillions of times per second. What we call reality is a series of frozen still-frames, experienced sped up, exactly like individual cells in a roll of film observed passing so quickly in sequence that they appear to be one continuous event rather than individual bursts of creation and destruction. In this way you are fundamentally Indra, Shiva, Kali, Brahma and every other deity, simutaneously, right now, without realizing it. Those potentials are waiting for you to realize them through the practice of letting go of illusory mind, emotions, habitual patterns and attachments

Within every cell of film is an entire illusory universe, a reflection of a world that never truly existed yet seems life-like and meaningful.

Every flash of our illusory false-existence as humans is the same way.

Tibetan buddhism is the practice of realizing your own fundamental deity nature.

That appeals to a few, doesn't to others. But to perform vajrayana requires great bliss. So the first task is to do the practices until you can reach bliss. That takes sincere, determined effort. It's not for most people.

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 No.136907

File: 2502eeef5197acc⋯.jpg (12.24 KB,523x330,523:330,4new1Vipassana_fig_1.jpg)

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As you see illustrated here, as you "create illusory mind" by thinking or being emotional, you destroy your connection to the reality within you which is the source. As you meditate you gradually still the mind, and at that point all the fun mystical stuff may be experienced because thoughts/mind stop getting in the way. People don't experience it only because they remain fixated in thinking, which creates the physical universe.

Meditation gives one the discipline to be able to shut the mind off and back on, like a lightswitch. Most people's minds are stuck in the "on" setting permanently, and they are at least slightly neurotic as a result.

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 No.136909

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>>136905

>It's one of the big secrets of esotericism

Its actually all Logos. Simply everything being Logos. Buddha, Tao, God - all forms of Logos. Reality is a fabric that exists in order for new born souls to acquire a form. Religion is one way to do it, other way was philosophy (Socrates/Pythagoras style) and spiritual cultivation. Muses and Nymphs of greek society were guiding Daemons.

>But to perform vajrayana requires great bliss.

Even Kukai said that faith is given by the Buddha. Katha Upanishad 2.23 states Brahman elects. Fate/Daemonic guardian spirit (daimon) plays part in being's character ("ethos anthropos daimon" of Heraclitus).

Forms are needed in hierarchy of afterlife where the meaning of spirituality is revealed not in a way people of all religions expect, and most certainly not world wide ones, and vajrayana is one of those.

Because if fate here is sealed, it is sealed "up there" also.

>>136860

Celestial bodies account only to certain criteria of messages to early humanity to develop Logos, but they are only metaphorically associated with gods. Saturn is not Lucifer, "satan" is a jewish word for "enemy", that is a barrier from real spiritual progress to not look things up. Space up there exists to provide harmonies like notes on a music sheet, its purpose like the one of atoms.

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 No.136912

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>>136909

>Its actually all (my tradition's word)

The names are just symbolic representations. You could just as easily say "It's all actually brahma" or "it's all actually buddha" or "its all actually peanut butter". As was specified, "buddha" here means "spiritual maturity", not a title, name or object, and all esotericism is an attempt to explain the same thing.

But the person asking the question wanted a source for the statement that deities are internal. That was provided. Having faced the demiurge and returned to this bullshit illusion, I can assure you that it doesn't matter what name you ascribe to it, only that you know what to do in order to bypass it. That goes for all of this stuff. I didn't know what any of it was called, but I knew from having been exposed to the information in the tibetan book of the dead how to navigate it, and it turned out that was a lot more important than having labels in the form of man-made words for everything.

Humans who seek knowledge ultimately find that all knowledge is dependant upon sensory information, which is falliable, temporary and subject to change. Realizing this, they begin to see thst the highest knowing is to know they know nothing, the highest mind is no-mind, the highest path is no-path, the wisest words are no-words and it can therefore be extrapolated that buddha is no-buddha, logos is no-logos and splitting hairs over names and labels is retarded.

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 No.136913

>>136912

>The names are just symbolic representations

Which have definitions and different connotations and implications, so it's not all actually peanut butter. You'd have to wonder what all the sectarian and religious bickering was all about if everything is really just a symbolic representation of this one thing.

I did however find the idea of

>Humans who seek knowledge ultimately find that all knowledge is dependant upon sensory information

Compelling up to a point, until the moment I realized that sensory information was the mind interacting with itself fundamentally. Something being unreal because it is changing doesn't make much sense except as a mental gotcha and trap. You'd have to wonder if the stages of birth, childhood, and ultimately adulthood (and really death) are unreal because none is permanently the same. What the reference frame you're looking at? If you focus on only being alive, then it's only until the state of death that a person is alive. If looked at as merely existing, a person dies and is taken back to the earth, and still exists even if not exactly himself. The rising sun is the sun in a state of descending, a person born is a person dying, any action denotes it's ending. Things only look permanent if you take a broad and wide mindframe, else it is all illusory.

I think the fact that there is something can be taken as proof of something being there. Changing the definition of what something precisely is, looks to be your stance.

>you destroy your connection to the reality within you which is the source

After trying to engage in a purely rational state of mind for a couple of months I've realized that rationality is a proxy for a fundamentally destructive process of creation. It's essentially at the state of complete emptiness that all things can be allowed to exist, and rationality is the burning fire that makes way for that space.

The nihilistic, "there is nothing because I refuse to accept there is something" doesn't really allow you to do anything. Why even post on /fringe/? I don't think there's enough ground to claim that all deities are internal if there really are no deities. I also find it much more likely that you have a connection to these deities, rather than them literally being you. There is a separation, even if it's purely categorical. In my mind it's like claiming a piece of grass is really dirt, since they're both made of matter.

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 No.136914

>>136913

>Why even post on /fringe/?

Because I needed to read this.

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 No.136916

Vajrayana/tantra requires bliss. It also requires an empowerment, a practice, oral instructions from a qualified teacher, permission to practice and so on. I did not say only bliss was required. All bliss is not tantric, but if there is no bliss there is no tantra.

I find this conversation tedious so I'm leaving this thread now.

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 No.136917

>>136916

It's precisely at the point of being too tedius to bear that mental exhaustion comes in and things start to become worthwhile. Your choice, however.

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 No.136929

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>>136913

>I don't think there's enough ground to claim that all deities are internal if there really are no deities. I also find it much more likely that you have a connection to these deities, rather than them literally being you.

Its a leftover from brahmanic monism, turned into meditation practice of "lesser" deity. Has some significant similarity to Pharaohs and cult of Roman Emperors, but in reality its just self-wank in order to get worshiped, similar to Catholic cult of saints and other hero worship. When people die they can get a job of being a Daemon, but you have to be specially chosen for this and extraordinary spiritually uplifted, as in:

>We assume a new being in death: we become protectors of the living and the dead.

>>136916

>oral instructions from a qualified teacher

Gurus been abusing tantric rules for a while. Think of all the temple devadasi prostitutes in Shaktist indian temples, which are mostly sold out by their own parents for money. I understand Shakti metaphysics are appealing especially in how Evola and John Woodroffe describe them (mostly because they project their own non-eastern ideas because of personal Spirit), but think twice if sex and abuse ascend you anyhow.

Just so you know, random "number" generator, which generates not just numbers, that contains all forms of Logos in the whole universe, contains all ideas of God. But only one (Trinitarian God) created our own order, that you pretend is not real, hurt your hand and pretend it doesn't hurt. That original primordial water of chaos is not god. Because it lacks Personality that came out of it.

If God came out of chaos, human comes out of orderly world. We both meet at heavenly order where chaos and order meet up. For one to be a God it would take to be born of chaos.

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 No.136936

>>136861

Basically this. Lucifer is Venus, this is as basic as it gets. Jehovah has nothing to do with the Sun. Your base assumptions are entirely off. Retarded thread.

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