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Plato being gay comes from the Symposium which features "love of boys" as a topic, though it can be argued that ancient Greek pedestry was primarily an educational relationship and modern (((translators))) deliberately misrepresented it. At any rate it was much different from the modern gay "community"

Plato was very authoritarian and in Republic he advocates for censorship of poets like Homer who portray the gods as fallible or evil, the creation of a "noble lie" mythology to justify the social order, and for children to be raised by the state so that it's ensured that they are not taught 'wrong' values.

Most of this is a result of Plato operating off of the axiom that the function of the state is to maintain virtue in a society.

It surprises me that molymeme is apparently a materialist though, I thought he had more sense than that.

>>131472

>Rape lottery

Ok, this sounds epic

If I win it do I get to rape as many bitches as I want or do I get raped by any one that desires to rape me?

>>131475

The Greeks invented gayness. Everyone knows this

>>131484

t. Persians

Plato didn't support gay, the Greeks were just the original Libertarians.

>>131483

Basically there was some kind of eugenics program where like is paired with like to produce specific types (merchant, warrior, or philosopher I think were the three main types but I forget for sure) instead of random mixing. Apparently it also involved the possibility of immediate blood relatives being paired in incestuous pairings.

>>131475

>It surprises me that molymeme is apparently a materialist though, I thought he had more sense than that.

He's an empiricist, which points to materialism if you don't have any other guiding framework.

>>131591

Keeping in mind that correlation is not causation, could you point me to the empirical evidence that consciousness is generated purely by matter moving in particular patterns?

>>131591

Not really. I was an empiricist materialist and the only reason I was the latter was the fact that I had been indoctrinated to ignore the myriad of personal experiences that point to there being more than matter by my nihilistic family. Once I started being a real empiricist, materialism fell apart in more or less the span of a year.

Molyneux is gay

"Ah, my friends, how difficult it seems to ensure that the working of an institution shall be as unquestionable as its theory! Presumably it is with states as it is with human bodies – one cannot prescribe one definite treatment for one subject which involves no physically injurious consequences along with its beneficial effects. For example, these physical exercises and common meals you speak of, though in many ways beneficial to a city, provide dangerous openings for faction, as is shown by the cases of the Milesians, Boeotians, and Thurians. And, in particular, this practice is generally held to have corrupted the ancient and natural rule in the matter of sexual indulgence common to mankind with animals at large, and the blame for these corruptions may be charged, in the first instance, on your two cities and such others as are most devoted to physical exercises. Whether these matters are to be regarded as sport, or as earnest, we must not forget that this pleasure is held to have been granted by nature to male and female when conjoined for the work of procreation; the crime of male with male, or female with female, is an outrage on nature and a capital surrender to lust of pleasure. And you know it is our universal accusation against the Cretans that they were the inventors of the tale of Ganymede; they were convinced, we say, that their legislation came from Zeus, so they went on to tell this story against him that they might, if you please, plead his example for their indulgence in this pleasure too. With the tale we have no further concern, but the pleasures and pains of communities and of private lives are as good as the whole subject of a study of jurisprudence."(Plato, Laws I 636a-d)

"That was exactly my own meaning when I said I knew of a device for establishing this law of restricting procreative intercourse to its natural function by abstention from congress with our own sex, with its deliberate murder of the race and its wasting of the seed of life on a stony and rocky soil, where it will never take root and bear its natural fruit, and equal abstention from any female field whence you would desire no harvest." (Plato, Laws VIII 838e-839a)

France loves Plato.

>>131594

>>131594

>could you point me to the empirical evidence that consciousness is generated purely by matter moving in particular patterns?

No, but I can't point to empirical evidence to the contrary (not saying it doesn't exist, I just can't find it).

>>131599

>I was an empiricist materialist and the only reason I was the latter was the fact that I had been indoctrinated to ignore the myriad of personal experiences that point to there being more than matter by my nihilistic family. Once I started being a real empiricist, materialism fell apart in more or less the span of a year.

Can you elaborate?

>>131634

>No, but I can't point to empirical evidence to the contrary

This is utterly and completely irrelevant. A rational person would suspend judgement in such a case. It is fallacious to assume the truth of a claim simply because there is no evidence to the contrary, and thus Molyneux's beliefs are not based in empiricism at all.

Every once in awhile Molymeme gets really retarded and his followers don't seem to call him out on it. Look in the comments section! They all think he knows his shit when he's so far off about what he's talking about.

OP confirmed for never having read plato