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Mod note: deleted your duplicate thread.

>>130017

Yup, had trouble posting this all afternoon.

>>130020

Deleted your third duplicate thread… sigh.

Try posting from Tor? Although then you can't post files since the globals aren't letting images be posted through Tor, sigh.

>>130023

Nope, just trying to post and progression getting stuck at 100%.

Try to post again, and get flood-blocked.

Then all of the threads appear at the same time on hour later and can't delete them since password has changed.

Anyway, past is past. Let's allow people to respond to OP.

>>130014

>OP bitches and moans about tarot card aesthetics like an occult consumerist

>Uses the term Kali Yuga unironically

>>130028

I sometimes formulate a question/goal before doing the above tough. No point in profaning the act by doing it for shits and giggles.

>>130028

That type of reading works, and nobody who has experience in this will doubt that it does. A read by a first-timer with zero experience will still give broad-stroke right-enough information, and it's important to do this to see how the meaning of the cards is not inherent in them but in the interaction between the perceived and the perceiver at that level (yes, Buddhists, I know these are false categories, don't jump down my dick about this please. Read later Wittgenstein).

However, to avoid learning the patterns that were deliberately placed into the tarot is to seriously hamper your ability to read the cards successfully, hence why it is of importance to people who plan on making a real go of tarot to get a deck which retains as much as possible these lessons. You are quite free to make an oracle deck of your own (such as the Thoth tarot), and it will give reads as accurate as can be expected from a deck of whatever complexity you desire, but please note that there are established patterns in tarot that you may find useful, beyond the recognition of broad archetypes.

As it happens, Marseilles decks are indeed likelier to give good reads, but only to the extent that the reader invests some time into understanding the relationship of the various elements of the deck and why small details become big deals further on down the line.

Rider-Waite and related decks might be a great introduction to the notion of tarot and cartomancy generally, but the loss of fine details means that further extrapolation past a certain point must be wholly a matter of the reader, because the relations between the cards will have been scrambled. In other words, is actually harder to give useful reads using more modern decks unless you are particularly adept at divination and have some pretty finely tuned intuition. It's possible to get great at divination with Rider-Waite, etc, and it happens, but the closer to the originals, the easier a time you will have. Any high school algebra student can tell you that the more you round your numbers at the start of a problem, the less accurate your final result will be.

>>130033

Crowley's Thoth deck really deserves to be treated more like an oracle deck than a tarot deck for this exact reason. With most people, their changes are additions or shortcuts for them only, and subtractions for the rest of those who would use it, unless it's a learning deck, and even then, it's questionable if that's useful. Crowley is a special case. Even his worst critics must admit that whether he was right or wrong, he went hard with it and he meant what he was doing.

The Thoth deck has real merits and his changes are meaningful, but they are so extensive as to place it in a separate category from tarot broadly. Those decks which are paint jobs over the originals without any changes beyond shortcuts are really just dead ends, and students of tarot should avoid making their own decks if they're still in the process of learning, and should avoid using designer decks of others unless those others in some way merit emulation or have made quite sure to include the elements and patterns of the originals.

I've used Lenormand more than tarot. When I want to cast tarot, I use a standard deck of playing cards.

>>130014

The best deck I've ever used is called "The Eternal Tarot". It uses the true order of the Tarot which is the Fool as the 21st, Strength as 11 and Justice at 8, as Eliphas Levi secretly revealed. Readings should be done at an altar with lit candles, an upright pentagram, and the seal of the sign of the cross.

Next best deck is Thoth deck but be careful with it as its easily turned into black magic.

>>130169

I suppose that makes my progresses with the Rider-Waite as a beginner with accuracy from the first reading something worth looking back on. I haven't interacted with any cartomancy in a while.

I post because I originally thought that the Rider-Waite was as close as I could get to the old stuff while using money. I suggest that the perspective of the user also has an impact on the readings - the person who expects to have a less accurate reading will get that additional inaccuracy. Before even starting with the Tarot in a first reading by that deck, I invested time meditating with individual cards, and researching the meaning of the symbolisms that were present. I think I spent a few weeks doing this before diving in.

This being said, I'm more inclined to experiment with both before drawing any conclusions for my personal means.

>>130014

I use the marseille, thoth and rider-waite. I also have a few oracles. In actuality, you can do divination with anything, so it doesn't matter if the deck is shit as long as you aren't so triggered by it you are unable to hear it speak.