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So is he saying we shouldn't do it or that we should be masters in self-restraint first?

>>128279

I think that he is saying that without virtue or profitable philosophy or a virtuous life we will find ourselves victimized by the mystic world.

He speaks of how the wicked 'Atlantean sorcerers' "went astray".

I think it is saying to focus on high magick (or that which transforms and evolves the self) rather than magick which focuses on "phenomena" or as I see it reality manipulation, because we fall prey to our own weaknesses, and people that cannot control themselves surely cannot control other forces greater than them.

"Among the Qabbalists of the Middle Ages were a great number of black magicians who strayed from the noble concepts of the Sepher Yetzirah and became enmeshed in feminism and witchcraft. They sought to substitute magic mirrors, consecrated daggers, and circles spread around pots of coffin nails, for the living of that virtuous life which, without the assistance of complicated rituals or submundane creatures, unfailingly brings man to the state of true individual completion."

- Manly P. Hall

>>128285

"enmeshed in (d)emonism and witchcraft."

- Manly P. Hall

>>128283

>high magick

nice save of our Atlantean sophist acquiescence-demanding priesthood philosophy

>>128285

Hmmm legit magicians use the same things though (when they create them in the first place and have full mastery over them). It's just the copiers that come later that fail to achieve what the originators accomplished.

>>128283

Yeah that might be what he's saying.

black magick is bad mmkayyyyyy

but it's a good idea to know how to do it. but not actually do it. especially in the case of knowing how to defend yourself in case someone else does it

it's kind of like the 2nd amendment!

>>128283

Almost like Jordan Petersons whole clean your room before you try and change the world bit.

Personal responsibility ?

>>128278

Typical moralising New Thought bullshit.

"NOOO YOU CAN'T DO MAGIC THAT HAS ACTUAL TANGIBLE PHYSICAL RESULTS, YOU HAVE TO LARP AND PHILOSOPHIZE ALL DAY"

Austin Spare has my fav quote on ceremonial magic. I cant quote exactly, but he calls these users something like "the two bit dandies of the brothels". Seems pretty apt imo. Maybe its just his frustrations over m. hall trying to seduce him and whatnot…but i think he was onto something there

>>137801

I agree with this sentiment but you realize that New Thought is explicitly pragmatic and about results right? Also that Manly P. Hall is a Freemason not a New Thought.

>>137801

Are you implying that the philosophy bros are the larpers? They're the only ones with true foundations for genuine higher magick and practice, if you don't have that you're just a whimsical, foundationless faggot who can't control their magickal self

>>138070

Magic is causing tangible, physical results using supermundane means; everything else is LARPing. Especially nonsense like 'laying a true foundation for the magickal self'.

>>138077

There's also magic which affects your afterlife and your reality as a being outside the physical, beyond the time of your death.

Call it high magic or whatever you want, but it's certainly magic, and has nothing to do with tangible, physical results (although it usually has those as side effects).