No.171082 [Last50 Posts]
What kind of kinds have you've gotten into thanks to your adventures in ERP?
For me, I would always be willing to try new things in scenes and let people push their kinks onto me, and over time I just found out I like a bunch of stuff. I was into things like tentacles, some light transformation, and BDSM stuff. However since then I sort of picked up more things while opening my windows, part of it being trapped by how people write out certain kinks, and another part of me just being easy going about the weird shit I got into.
Also, kink discussion thread.
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No.171086
>>171082
I like hand-holding, looking into my lover's eyes, the missionary position, not using condoms or any birth control, receiving a creampie for maximum chances of getting knocked up, wrapping my legs around my lover so he can't pull out, egging him on to cum inside me if he was having reservations, and doggystyle.
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No.171087
>>171086
That top tier taste
Good stuff m8 we have the same fetish
Only I'm on the male side
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No.171089
>>171086
This but only between femboys and women.
I can't believe I actually feel like I agree with /erp/ for once, though, holy heckies
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No.171090
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No.171091
>>171090
>>171089
>>171087
>>171086
If you guys wanna get together, I know its kind of a shit show right now but I posted my discord in the hookup thread
You guys all sound great
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No.171092
>>171091
Helen?
tag's not working
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No.171093
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No.171094
>>171093
Nicola#6109 to be precise
But enough derailing
Another kink erp got me into was spanking and power bottoms really love it when a woman begs/demands things be to her
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No.171095
>>171082
I discovered how good it feels to have someone take care of you, pat you on the head and brush your tail and how fun it is to play an eldritch abomination that just wants to cherish their favorite hoomin.
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No.171099
My favorite kinks are verbal abuse/bullying, forceful sex, choking, captivity, yandere and facefucking. I'm not sure when I started to like the idea of both being someone's bully and also their shoulder to cry on but I really do. I should make some female delinquent F-List at some point.
>>171095
EMMA
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No.171100
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No.171101
>>171100
Weren't you writing for /monster/ a while ago?
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No.171102
>>171101
I did, and I guess that's a good reason to post it. I'm assuming that's your intention, at least.
https://pastebin.com/M5L5M2F8
I really want that figurine.
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No.171103
I was vanilla as hell for a long, long time until someone wanted me to do some weird shit to them and I was too awkward to say no. Now I'm into oviposition, unbirthing, transforming others, mind rape/break, milking, bioreactors, bad ends, and Gigeresque sexual horror. Came buckets after those sessions and I hate myself for it. I want to go back to being a cuddlefuck milquetoast romantic, but it just bores the shit out of me unless I'm shoving 18 tentacles into them and forcing them to birth my xenomorph offspring again and again while I milk them of their fluids and slowly integrate them into my hive.
I want off this wild ride but then I don't. Send help.
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No.171104
>>171103
>not just trying to find someone who wants to cuddlefuck a tentacled xenomorph purring with delight as it squeezes its cocooned-for-safekeeping favorite little human as it lovingly (and consensually) ravishes every hole with its tentacles
Learn the wonders of cute but scary monsters.
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No.171109
>>171102
Good read, honestly. I want to talk to you, but I don't want to paint the town in spoilertext. Do you use discord or something, dude?
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No.171110
>>171109
I do use Discord, yeah. I mean if you're serious about wanting to talk you can shoot me a note on this throwaway-account I totally didn't just make right now because of this because I'm silly to get it. Or if you give me yours, that's cool too.
https://www.f-list.net/c/herglefnergle
I realize this is kinda silly to do, but I don't want to post my Discord willy-nilly is all. I worry too much.
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No.171120
Now that I think about it, none really. It feels like I've always either agreed to do something I already enjoy or been the first to suggest something. I've gained more appreciation for some kinks through erp, but I guess I am the corruptor.
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No.171124
>>171086
Forgot to add my discord to my post: Madeline#7500
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No.171126
>>171124
Usage of Frida is incredibly appreciated. Good /erp/. Let the Wakfu soak in.
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No.171127
>>171082
Honestly? Bimbos, daddy play, cum addiction, social dynamics, bitch breaking and more. That is, being on the giving end of all those things. Used to hate bimbos and not really pay attention to the social dynamics/rumours that could elicit from scenes but now I focus on it more. OOC play too.
I started off extremely intense and ended up being more varied in kink as time passed.
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No.171128
>Traps.
>Futa.
>Incest.
>Straight shota.
>Violence.
>Abuse.
>Guro.
Anyone else share these interests?
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No.171129
>>171128
yes, yes, hell yes, hell yes, sometimes, not really, fuck no
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No.171132
>>171128
yes
somewhat
yes
yes
very yes
very yes
very very yes
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No.171134
>>171129
That's fine, it's not for everyone. To be honest I only ever like guro for the horror aspect, was never able to get off to it.
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No.171135
>>171128
Hell to the fucking yes that's my jam, no strong feelings, hell yes, hell yes, hell yes, hell yes, hell yes
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No.171136
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No.171138
>>171136
But anon, I've posted and shilled my profiles a number of times before already. They're sitting in the profile thread. Won't people get angry at me if I repost it here?
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No.171139
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No.171140
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No.171141
>>171140
I really like this. You did a good job on this profile. Very cute.
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No.171142
>>171141
thank you so much ohmygosh Maruruk is something I care about a lot that I just want to do justice to. There's a companion profile, the Guide to the Abyss, in the sidebar, if you're interested in dEePeSt LoRe shenanigans, and if anyone ever read it, I'd just be so fucking unbelievably happy.
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No.171143
>>171140
HOW DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING, EVERY TIME I ASK SOMEONE FOR A PROFILE THAT SOUNDS NICE, I ALREADY PLAY WITH THEM
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No.171144
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No.171146
>>171143
calm down young man
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No.171147
>>171142
I need to clear my fatigue in DFO and take care of some things, I'll try to read it in time. I'm looking forward to reading it. ^^
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No.171148
>>171146
I CAN'T, I LITERALLY CAN'T, THIS HAPPENS EVERY FUCKING TIME AND I JUST WANT TO DO NEW, DIFFERENT AND INTERESTING RPs LATELY
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No.171149
>>171148
>I literally can't
hello tumblr
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No.171150
>>171148
Who are you, that I'm already playing with, though, and why didn't you ever throw me these Bondrewds before?
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No.171152
>>171127
Bimbo characters are a little bit different for me, I don't mind them but I need that '-ification' at the end or for them to be in the more dominant position.
>>171140
I may be sending you a message, seeing how I dig all those kinks.
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No.171153
>>171149
Not quite fam, if I keep complaining about it then I literally can't stop proving that instead of being tumblr, I'm a far worse kind of shitter.
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No.171155
>>171150
The guy who showed you MiA.
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No.171156
Lately I've been having a fantasy revolving around brainwashing an evil character into being good. This entails BDSM type shit I'm not normally into like restraints, beatings, noncon/dubcon etc. I've been reluctant to take action for a long time because A: I don't really have much experience with any of that stuff and I don't want to look stupid and B: I don't want to be associated with bitchbreakers. Recently however I made a profile for it, so we'll see how it goes I guess.
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No.171157
>>171155
we're not playing yet, you nerd
we really need to get on that, huh
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No.171160
>>171156
Bitchbreakers only do corruption, not purification so you already have more nuance than any of them. I'd mix in a religious aspect as well. People love that shit. Excellent image btw.
>>171157
G'cmon we basically are and yeah, we really fucking should God damn, I'll get more MiA fags someday. Anyway, I already sounded off
>>171127
So I'm going to stop clogging up this lovely thread. I will say to most people though, in my 7 years of RPing from when I was underage to barely of age, I've always found it's better to try a new kink then run away from it depending on whether the partner is good or not
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No.171162
I can't stop eating ass.
I used to be grossed out by it conceptually, but the moment I did it for the first time in a scene I was hooked. It's now been years, and I'm pretty sure I've exhausted it as far as creativity goes (without getting into scat territory which is where my interest cuts off.) I don't care if it's blue, pink, any other color, human, anthro, robot, or inexplicable whateverthefuck/ If it has an ass, I probably want to eat it. I can't stop myself. I get a thrill out of doing it in "public" too. If people get offended or act like it's gross I couldn't give less of a fuck. If anything, an egotistical part of me sees it as marketing myself, or potentially getting people into something by doing a good job. Even if a scene doesn't involve it, there's always that voice in the back of my head whispering "What if you stuck your tongue up their asshole?"
Lately it doesn't satisfy me anymore, though. I do it, I enjoy it, but I feel like I'm stuck in a rut and not going anywhere. It makes me wish I did more vanilla things, but I just keep crawling back to what I can only assume is an a proper fetish at this point. The only times I can resist are the ones where I'm getting held down and brutally fucked in a way that doesn't let me do anything on my own initiative, and even then I start hoping they'll sit on my face and 'force' it upon me.
I have a problem. It feels good to admit it, at least.
I also like Breeding.
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No.171165
>>171148
CALM DOWN YOUNG MAN
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No.171167
>>171165
fuck you dad
>>171162
Message Sonja the Redmage, Clovis Salian or Shinade. All love ass eating to some degree though Sonja last I talked to was almost impossible to RP with due to sniping. G'luck.
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No.171168
>>171167
I already know Shinade, actually. Don't know the others. Apparently Sonja's profile doesn't exist anymore?
I think I need to get away from the assplay anyways. Get some distance, try new things. Maybe actually do character-driven roleplay again instead of being an ass-eating shitter who only does quickies on the spur of the moment.
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No.171170
I think male on futa is hot. Now I think two fat throbbing cocks frotting together is a huge turn on, too. However, pegging and sodomy in general turns me off. I think kinda gay shit between otherwise straight chads is fun, but I don't want to get too gay. I don't really like gay men, but bicurious handsome men are awesome, though very hard to come by. It's hard to find a bi male who isn't an annoying faggot about it.
I also enjoy playing super rich white people with superior genetics and nothing to do but enjoy being wealthy, white, and beautiful with others who are the same as them.
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No.171172
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No.171175
>>171103
It's pretty great, isn't it?
>>171170
Good taste across the board, Anon. Even as an assfiend, I agree that frotting is fantastic. Under-used, too.
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No.171176
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No.171177
>>171176
THIS IS WHY YOUR MOM LEFT US
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No.171178
>>171172
brutes are cooler than elites
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No.171183
>>171182
Brute dick > Elite dick
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No.171185
>>171175
Thanks, anon. I admit to being a closet bigot, and sometimes I used RP as an outlet for my racist, homophobic, and generally politically incorrect feelings and thoughts. I don't really believe that white people are the superior race, but the idea that they might be appeals to my sense of aesthetics. Imagine a small town where no one is a stupid waste of oxygen, where the streets are clean and the taxes are low. You can understand what everyone says, and no one has shitty taste in music, movies, or books. I think that's my biggest secret fetish, and the hardest to indulge in.
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No.171194
>>171104
Toss in some parasitism and living clothing, and I'd be down. That'd be a wonderful thing to play out.
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No.171196
>>171185
>and no one has shitty taste in music, movies, or books
>white people
Truly a fantasy.
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No.171206
>>171196
>Niggers
>Having good taste in anything
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No.171209
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No.171212
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No.171216
erp is what got me into more pseudo incestuous things like adopted dad+daughter.
I've got a bigger appetite for violence now but also a bigger appetite for things like redemption.
Weirdly, erp did nothing in helping me realize I was bisexual. I only realized that IRL.
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No.171222
Thanks to ERP? Hole-gaping, smegma, fat males, runny makeup, making someone pass out from getting fucked so hard, and quick cum dumps in a row with no thought for 'romance' - I'm talking using and knocking up pic related in a single session without a hint of care for the results.
Very different from how things started out, fuck.
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No.171235
Recently I've been getting urges to play one of my yuri-only girls in a scene where they get raped so bad they start loving dick. It's rough having those feelings while playing with your several long-term partners whom you play corny lesbian romances with.
I try to suppress them cause muh purity, though.
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No.171254
>>171222
I know that feel, anon. We are lost souls now.
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No.171256
>>171235
The longer you hold out the more you're going to love it when you finally give in. Just, you know, find a good dick to do it to you.
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No.171259
Half of my favorites are things I used to be against. Non-con, unrealistic dicks, bulging, snuff…
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No.171264
>>171194
>sticking to living clothing
>not going with a wearable, clingy waifu instead
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No.171268
>>171194
https://e-hentai.org/g/87177/cfc87a1ced/
This was the comic that got me into living clothing/parasites. Not the greatest art, but the text did the job enough for me to bump it into one of my favorite kinks.
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No.171276
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No.171458
>>171268
Holy shit, now that is a blast from the fucking past my man
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No.171460
>>171268
>>171194 here. Gotta say, the plot is hot but the art is not. I'm not cured of my attraction to it but that was a good effort.
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No.171461
>>171086
I really wonder if people are just shitposting when they share 'kinks' like this.
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No.171468
>>171461
Sadly not. I put them up there with the sort of people who insist on "story first" and think their half-baked world building (that falls apart the second anything sexual happens) is worth the effort.
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No.171477
>>171468
Just curious. I do worldbuilding stuff (don't harp on about story driven shit, though.) – what constitutes half-baked/falling apart? I sincerely doubt you're referring to me but all the same I'd like to hear what people don't like so I can avoid stepping into pitfalls.
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No.171480
>>171477
In my opinion, it's when everything they've bothered to reference and allude towards shrinks away the moment characters engage in anything sexual. For example, someone makes an opening post describing a bustling city. Details the sorts of people that occupy a particular market that our characters are meeting in. They describe the style of dress, the culture and customs of those people. With the sounds and smells, they make a real effort to give this place life beyond just the two of us. And then we engage, it turns sexual, and suddenly none of that exists. It's barely mentioned again because character is trying to get his dick wet. So why then get my hopes up with this amazing intro post that's crafting a world unique to us, if you're just going to dump it and do nothing but hump my face four posts after the fact.
And by half-baked I just mean they give a minimum amount of effort to establish a setting when it's immediately obvious all they really want to do is fuck my character. I'd rather cut out the pretense and toss us both in a shady back alleyway so there's no mistaking what we're there to do.
TLDR; If sex is the destination and not part of the longer journey then it's just a waste of time trying to "craft a world".
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No.171494
>>171480
It does sound like continuously explaining/building the world would be bothersome, though. How do you imagine things to continue once things get erotic? Are you building the world as well or are you expecting them to describe everything?
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No.171508
>>171494
Oh, no. We'd both have a part in it, since I think that's the ideal way to go about it. Having people who aren't afraid to play other part-time characters as NPCs now and again also really goes a long way in making things feel more alive.
The big problem with it turning sexual is that's where a lot of people are done. But it's easy enough to reference some sort of world event to get the two talking and making up a broader story while they're laying together in bed or on the floor - wherever you ended up fucking. A reference to an encroaching war, political upheaval, a sickness stealing across the city. A reason to uproot yourself and continue on, but not before you go at it a second time.
I guess it really boils down to the time period and how long-term a scene you're after. What your roles are in this world. Are you unknown and simply eking out a daily life, or tied to some great thread of fate?
But to be honest, I don't do much story based play anymore. Been disappointed one time too many.
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No.171551
>>171508
>But to be honest, I don't do much story based play anymore. Been disappointed one time too many.
I'm right there with you, anon, despite how much I love a continuing adventure or a purpose to the play beyond fucking in a nondescript room or grassy field, once the fugg starts, everything else stops when they get their rocks off, and it's back to the lab again. Just isn't worth the effort to make something if no one else is interested, right?
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No.171588
>>171551
I hate how people saying that they want an adventure RP is basically a red flag at this point. It's easily one of the biggest wants on F-list I think and for good reason. (Harems being the other one.)
It's not that I don't *want* an adventure for my character(s). I just don't trust anybody who suggests one, 1, know what they are doing. 2, are going to shoulder an even or most of the legwork. 3. Will commit to it.
2. Being the biggest sticking point, and I don't think they even realize it.
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No.171589
>>171588
>saying they want, and/or suggesting an adventure as an idea.
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No.171662
>>171588
I've been doing a fair bit of "GM storytelling" in roleplay stuff. I tell my partners that if I suggest it, I will be doing all of the worldbuilding and NPC interaction unless they want to add on, but only if. Do people with these world building ideas not want to put in the work?
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No.171664
>>171662
> Do people with these world building ideas not want to put in the work?
Sometimes it's like "Oh yeah, I wanna go on a quest to conquer the world and all the women in it" but they want that to be catered to, in much the same way that a limp fish sub will be. They just want to react to things while you do most of the work. In contrast, lazy worldbuilders will want to build to a specific thing, and push the other person toward it. There's a significant difference between railroading the other player to your desired destination and offering them a plot hook and seeing if they bite.
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No.171668
>>171664
>"Oh yeah, I wanna go on a quest to conquer the world and all the women in it"
It does seem strange how this isn't a more popular request. All I ever see are "Looking for a GM to play a shitload of monsters to rape me", but I really imagine most pinks are played by guys. I'd like to think most guys share a common interest in "more women = better", so why do they want to get railed by 50 cocks?
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No.171669
>>171668
Well, people play a lot of different things for different reasons, and I'm not going to waste a ton of time talking about preferences or the attraction of fantasy or impossibility. Harem fetishes are a thing, but generally there are profiles specifically dedicated to that thing. Power fantasies, disempowerment fantasies, etc. all have particular verbiage and setting flavors. Maybe you get a skew toward monster gangbang scenarios because there's something in your profile(s) that draws in people that look for that.
But what do I know?
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No.172135
>>171662
>171588 here, super late reply. Problem is more often then not, people fail to communicate this properly, and so it's hard to tell between, players who actually want to shoulder the work; And players, who want to starfish sub it.
One person suggested a treck across Skyrim. Whiterun to Solstheim as a bodyguard/sex RP. Which is a perfectly serviceable RP plot. But. They failed to communicate I had to be both bodyguard and the encounters. Since they brought it up, I assumed they were going to split at least some of the work.
It's again, why I'm wary of it. As much as I love the idea. If somebody came up to me like you and says hey how about an adventure RP for your character and I'll run the encounters for you or whatever really, to assure me that the above isn't going to happen. I'd be willing to go for it yeah.
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No.172156
>>172135
Fair enough. I'm surprised people will approach with those ideas and then not do it themselves, I guess I expect too much from F-List.
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No.172192
>>171206
>>171185
You had a good point until you mentioned music.
Blacks started jazz, the patrician taste.
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No.172195
>>172192
No peanut butter, either. How you gonna have a perfect world without peanut butter?
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No.172197
>>171185
But black girls are cute.
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No.172199
Brown girl thread? Brown girl thread. I do wish more black chicks didn't wear wigs/weaves. Afros are really, really cute.
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No.172218
I got into a fantasy RP once that involved a rimjob at breakfast.
Like, we'd been doing a dubcon / foe yay scene and the next time we played we started from "the night after" which started off with him making breakfast, putting a bowl of cold stew in front of her and before getting a chance to dig in in what I assumed would be passive, ended up with the Drow stripping down, standing between her and the table and ending it with adding some sauce to that stew. I hadn't been interested in it before, and was kinda surprised but by god.. One of the hottest things I had ever done. Instantly into it, and since have never been able to find anything similar.
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No.172459
I've gotten into a few things from ERP, either new kinks or a massive reinforcement of old ones that were previously just marginal.
Vaginal neglect, no penetration, virginity play, tease-denial and female chastity are the big ones for me right now. Intercrural, paizuri, and footjobs. Sometimes omorashi but I regret obtaining that one.
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No.172699
Eh you know I used to laught at other people but now well…
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No.173660
>>171103
Oh god this sounds amazing, link me a discord profile I want to go fucking crazy with you delving into the absolute depths of gigeresque horror degeneracy with you sometime, please~
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No.173780
>>172459
Assuming you're the vaginal neglect ayayayayaya I'm thinking of, you've got some nicely put together profiles.
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No.173847
I really, really really love balls. If I was forced to choose between the two, then I'd much rather make out with a plump pair of nuts than suck a cock. I feel like most of my partners don't really give a shit whenever I practically worship their balls, though. they often don't take the opportunity to describe their sacks at all and tend to quickly move on to fucking my character's throat or something.
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No.173849
>>173847
Nothing beats a good nut slurping, but like you said, most don't give a fuck. I play as men typically and most pinks just want to throat it; which I have no problem with, but it leaves the balls as impromptu wrecking balls, battering chin and throat alike. The most attention they get is in the thick slapping in frenzied humping. Slurping and giving the nut a spit shine can be just as good, but I think it doesn't happen much because most pinks are guys and they're scared of imagining anything involving their vulnerable bits in someones mouth. It can be a very submissive thing, so who the fuck knows.
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No.173880
If you told 18 year old me that in the future I'd be fapping to playing characters with 5-foot long cocks, lining women up in an ass-to-mouth human centipede of anus-destroying cock, turning them into one long hole to abuse, there's no way I've believe you. God damn.
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No.173950
>>173847
tfw no blue to lightly squeeze the balls of my futanari and gag on a huge load while I beg him to stop
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No.173966
>>173950
>blue on futa
That is some patrician tier taste. Especially if the blue is a powerbottom and edges her cock in the back of his throat until she's firing blanks and recoiling from the empty ache in her balls.
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No.174043
>>173847
Holy fuck I know this feeling.
It's a goddamn shame that nobody else does this. When I'm subbing, I'll make out with someone's nutsack for hours on end, but when I'm topping nobody ever wants to fuckin' do it.
Blue, purple, whatever. I just want nuts on my face.
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No.174144
>>173966
W…What if she is a big futanari Anon? She might have a lot of cum! And she can't stand you being there!
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No.174145
>Tfw no sweet blue to hold his hand and force him to smell my musky slit before my dick appears from inside of it
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No.174156
>>174144
>W…What if she is a big futanari Anon?
Sizeplay is my fucking jam.
>She might have a lot of cum!
Good. I'm a thirsty slut and I like taking a fat load to the face if you've already filled my holes.
>And she can't stand you being there!
She can close her eyes and pretend I'm not there while she uses me like the fucktoy that I am, if that puts her any more at ease. I'm not seeing the problem here.
>>174145
This is the second time this image has been posted and the second time ridiculously aroused by it. If you're the same anon, you're doing things to me. Do you want your hand held and your cock sucked? ``Because this is how you get your hand held and your cock sucked.``
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No.174181
>>174156
Gonna require your profile good Anon!
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No.174187
Cervical penetration and outright womb fucking, punching it with a fat cockhead with every thrust. I know that in reality that's painful to even hit, let alone the damage caused by actually doing something like that.
But the absolute domination and ownership of someones body by cock-punching their womb is kind of amazing.
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No.174424
>>173780
Thank you, thank you! I just need more confidence actually roleplaying.
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No.174437
>>174187
There are so many people into cervical penetration I'm shocked when someone isn't into it. Like anal.
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No.174446
>>174156
Damn it Anon don't drop me like this!
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No.174827
>>174187
I've actually hit the cervix before.
It feels FUCKING AWFUL… but I still wanna do it in RP, because in RP I'm wearing women like condoms and making those obscene bulges is just too good.
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No.174920
>Tfw someone gets me to actually enjoy anal vore and farting
>I was once the sort of anon that made fun of people for being this weird
AH…Ah….ah…
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No.174963
>>174444
Superb taste, Anon.
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No.174975
>>174827
I can't even imagine. I've heard some horror stories of shit like that causing contractions and pains like a woman is in labor. That's why I like playing up the bullshit aspects of it in ERP, exactly as you say. Focus on the pleasure, not the pain.
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No.174992
Anyone tend to have trouble with their favourite kinks?
Transformation is a fucking mess for me. I love it, but it has to be in a specific way or else it kind of falls flat.
There are a number of people I've had this sort of thing with, but unfortunately my less savvy friends who don't really understand don't do it quite right or perhaps they think it'll work if it's not quite like that and then it gets to the awkward situation of 'should I just tell them that it doesn't really do anything for me like this?'
The redeeming factor of the overly specific kink description is that I'll like basically anything that falls into it. Again, everything from the mundane nature of being able to stain someone with your scent or sharing your lipstick down to a shit golem turning you to shit / weight gain from a chubby girl or otherwise grossifying, though there are still some small limits (too fat is too far)
It's just disappointing when in art or in a play for me when the knot comes out straight after sex, rather than being used to humiliate the other by dragging them around and such.
Specifically it has to be about turning another person - likely partially - into another person, even if it's as little as staining their lips with your lipstick or as much as changing their race entirely. Also, then, it's no fun if there's notable mind alteration so they can't then be humiliated in their new state, consensual is a no for similar reasons and on a different more generally fought over point for transformation 'fast transformation' is lame as shit where they just put on their robe and wizard hat, bam, you're a real beautiful woman now. With that, it's also worth noting it's way more fun if the transformation is induced by, say, cum.
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Bonus: Knots. There are some people who use knots to stretch someone, there are some people who just like the aesthetic and some people who like to tie people together.
Bonus2: Vore is great if done right too, but there's so many different endings and ways it can work. Digestion is just boring for me, but on the other hand turning somebody into an organ sounds really hot.
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No.174994
>>174993
I tried to find a non-modeseven image but there's only so much content in the world.
I'd agree there are some problems such as the art style starting to get pretty fucking annoying after all this time seeing it over and over.
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