/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

I am surprised to see SanFran of all places to push against rollout face detection technology.

>>56157

really? allowing crime is what they do in blue states, anything else would be racist, ableist, soberist, etcx9000. take a look at seattle, its actually in a better condition than SF

>>56111

the people's hero

>Fedco installs cameras in high crime areas

>niggers steal the cameras

>>56159

Sadly I think he's overestimating his peers that'll end up on the jury.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48486672

US now requires all social media of visa applicants.

Non discreet requests will be next for the average american soon it will be manitory

>>56275

I-it's not like I wanted to visit US anyway, stupid!

>Anyone who lies about their social media use could face "serious immigration consequences"

Yes, but how are they going to check?

And if they already know, why bother asking?

>>56282

To give you an opportunity to lie so they can move forward on punitive actions without further need to look beyond the rope they gave you to hang yourself.

>>56190

>>>/pol/

>>56842

cyberpunk strongly leans towards the former, or in a position of neutrality - where technology is an inanimate force to be used for good or evil, where as pseudo-luddism (aka ecofascism aka sucking ted's dick because he killed some dudes) is a /pol/ tendency.

>>56855

Cyberpunk focuses on how tech has made people's lives a dystopia. It's pretty pessimistic about it.

>>56855

Wow what an unbiased, informative, well measured and overall great post.

Thanks Reddit!

>>56859

Thanks for the flippant sarcasm, I'm sure the crime of telling you that you're wrong warrants it ;)

>>56868

Ah yes, cyberpunk- my favorite genre about how all technological progress is good and certainly won't be used to impose a dystopian hellscape that even the most hardcore dictators would find terrifiying. All sunshine and rainbows here.

>>56871

Complete dystopia is just dystopia, my dude.

Cyberpunk is not complete dystopia.

>>56880

In what ways the future proposed by cyberpunk is good? Don't get confused because you like the aesthetics. Cyberpunk is technological dystopia.

>>56880

>>56882

Cyberpunk fiction is 90% wishful thinking. It's no different from somebody seeing Hurt Locker and thinking "wow, that looks schway. I'm gonna join the marines!".

Sure, some of that schwayness exists. But the vast majority of it is made up hero worship bullshit.

Sure, there will be a technological dystopia alright. But the difference here is the rebels won't be able to hack the security cameras by pressing a few buttons. In fact, you won't be able to jack up to their network at all, because it's protected by 1024 bit authentication and you don't even know what OS or services are running on their server to begin probing for vulnerabilities, because that's classified info. And if you try anyway to run nmap on it, somebody will see that shady guy breaking into an electrical box and call the cops.

You and your fellow rebels won't be able to raid a megacorp headquarters because security will surround you before you even find your way around the building, and in real life there are no "med packs" or "augmentations" that could turn you into a bullet sponge.

Given all that I would say cyberpunk is maybe more on the technophilia side, but that doesn't matter, because it is fiction and the real world doesn't have to abide by what some dorks thought would be schway and wrote about.

Uncle Teddy would be right if it wasn't for the fact that trying to reverse the progress of technology is a ridiculous proposition, given that anyone can put together vacuum tubes with a few pieces of broken glass and the pump from an old fridge. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

The only limit to what the technocrats can do is they need us to keep going to work, keep us from rioting, etc. Otherwise the system crumbles under its own weight. But if they manage to keep that basic stuff online then the status quo will remain more or less unchanged indefinitely. And there's nothing we can do about it except wait for something to happen.

>>56884

What you say is true and I agree, but what I've come to realize and what I think Ted did miss is how this society has started to give us some tools to overthrow it. Now the engineer is not some high part of the society, it's a low ranking worker – in the first world that is.

This aspect gives me the hope of the cyberpunk dream – maybe the system out of need for better workers gives enough power away so some of us may be able to create tools that will be used against it. We have almost a cyberpunk society, just the aesthetic is off. But we have tools to build upon. There will always be buffoons that think they are revolting while they support the system. The left and right play exactly this role – Ted was really wise in his views on leftism.

Is there a chance to turn things around? If this continue there may be some. What will come after would be better? I think that we can't answer that in any way. Our society is in destructuring mode, so we can only discord about destruction now.

>>56884

Excuse me, don't mind if I let myself in.

They see me rolling

In my wheelchair

They gonna open up that door

And let me thru. Ywmcqf

If you want to fuck with face recognition, paint an eye or an extra lip on your face somewhere else. Chances are the hardware they're using is just some general purpose shit and will identify more than one person and disregard your actual face. Some Chinese Triad members printed out pictures of bank managers, wore them inside a building in the back of their head and fucked heavily with the security system.

The idea is that it's trying to look for localized features at various keypoints of your face, if you mess up those keypoints it will have a harder time grasping who you are in real time - remember, it only matters in the immediate.

>>56892

>falling for shit tier DEFCON b8

That will only allow you to get into low security areas nobody gives a shit about. You won't get that way into a server room. You won't get that way into the office of anyone important. You won't get that way into a lab.

Tell me how many interesting leaks have happened as a result of people arriving in a wheel chair or being dressed as a maintenance man.

Pro tip: the answer is zero. Because people in those environments know not to let in some cripple or some random shazbot they don't know dressed as a janitor or whatever when they haven't been told to. If anything because there's expensive shit that could be stolen and they'd be on the hook for it.

And even if you gain access, you'll get caught. Security cameras exist. Even if you arrive in a bicycle from somewhere in the middle of nowhere, if a Russian search engine available to the public is able to run queries from publicly available social media photos and have a reasonably good chance of getting a hit, imagine how bad that is when you have access to things like passports, driver licenses, private social media pictures, etc.

>inb4 I don't have a social media profile

You do, in fact. Unless you never got a picture taken with normie friends who then uploaded that shit to facebook.

Aaron did nothing more serious than jacking up to a random ethernet port in some university campus and got so btfo'd that he killed himself (or got suicided, depending on how tinfoil you want to be). So what makes you think you'll go to Google headquarters, "let yourself in" despite the fact you don't have a badge and their security is so good they run everyone who enters the building against a blacklist and if you're there kick you out (and that's just for the non-sensitive areas where they let random pajeet contractors roam about), steal some corporate data and get away with it?

And even if you get in, then what? Do you think you'll be able to just jack up your laptop into an ethernet port and run nmap and nobody will notice anything shady about some unknown dude who just arrived in a wheelchair jacking up a computer to an ethernet port and pulling up a command line?

Well, no. People aren't as naive as those who give talks about social engineering would have you believe. They tell exaggerated or straight made up stories so business owners and managers shit themselves and hire their consulting firm to run a security test on their facilities.

>>56927

Bad news for you, anon

https://www.newsweek.com/watch-your-step-china-rolls-out-new-gait-recognition-surveillance-software-1203898

>According to the Associated Press, the software can even positively identify a subject when their face is hidden from the cameras.

>The array of recognition technologies: skeletal, gait, facial, phone id, heartbeat id, vehicle id, etc will create a total surveillance web that is unbeatable and works at low resolution.

The game of cat-and-mouse continues

>>56928

>heartbeat id

What the fuck?

>>56929

Even if it's real it's probably not accurate enough to be used alone. If we've got face and gait recognition fooled, that thing alone isn't going to do much harm.>>56929

https://www.technologyreview.com/f/614781/all-new-cellphone-users-in-china-must-now-have-their-face-scanned/

holy shit I am glad that I dont live in china

Customers in China who buy SIM cards or register new mobile-phone services must have their faces scanned under a new law that came into effect yesterday. China’s government says the new rule, which was passed into law back in September, will “protect the legitimate rights and interest of citizens in cyberspace.”

Not sure how this has not been posted.

Anyone with covered face gets approached by police patrols and politely asked to show his face

Anyone with obscured face camouflage that fucks with algorithm gets SWATed by anti-terror squad.

There are still people looking at screens from time to time, you know.

You won't win if you're the only one faceless in crowd, you need an anonymity set: a whole crowd of faceless people.

>>57131

Sad but true.

>>57162

What about prosthetic makeup?

>>56882

I remember a Necromunda novel called Fleshworks-named after a state of mind where people become addicted to technological implants and view the flesh as serving the machine rather than the other way around.

>>56157

>>56158

unironically our best chance at politically beating surveillance is to get people to see it as racist

>>57536

what do you mean weird ouija people? ghosts?

>>57584

He means the Muslim minority.

Panopticon… I've heard a lot about how data is being collected about each person now. And also about the fact that you can use special programs to find a person in any social network by a frame from a video surveillance camera.

Of course, there should be an alarm system in such a room.

I agree with you. After all, such important exhibits. I even put a security system in my country house because I'm worried about the safety of my things. For example, I installed ajax because I also have this alarm system in my apartment, and when there was a fire in the apartment, this device found the cause and fixed the problem. Therefore, I trust only this security system. Ajax alarm system performs not one, but three protective functions at once: it instantly notifies if thieves got into the house, smoke appeared or a flood began.

>>56929

strap an oscilator on your chest to throw it off