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favela chic and low-life sleuths User 10/14/18 (Sun) 14:52:38 No.52373

Cyberpunk is high-tech low life. Some of the famous cyberpunk writers, notably Bruce Sterling, tried to update this with "favela chic." (Why not a more white-centric vision? Because most of the classic cyberpunk writers hated white civilization, and some of them were Jews.)

In fact "favela chic" was depicted (before cyberpunk existed) by a very white man who wrote fiction stories from a very white perspective. His name was Dashiell Hammett, and his writings predate personal computers by about 50 years. Nevertheless Dashiell Hammett deserves your respect as a pivotal writer of the 20th century. Hammett did not write about favelas, as such, but he wrote about low-life people of various kinds. I encourage you to read some Hammett and then to pause for a while and marvel and how many 20th century writers ripped him off. Hammett was capable of writing about favela neighborhoods because he had seen a great deal of poverty, hardship, crime, abuse of authority, and moral corruption. Hammett was capable of turning real-world favelas into fictional favela chic because Hammett was just a literary genius.

The lesson to be learned is that the writers of today (they include the writer and the reader of this very post) should write the kind of stories that people want to rip off. And we can do that if we are capable of walking up to suffering in real life and etching it into our memories. Most people who live in favelas have been pushed out of easier places and forced to survive on an inhospitable, precarious slope.

>As Sterling … explained in his closing address at the reboot 11 conference, one possible scenario for the future is the "favela chic" scenario, in which material wealth is non-existent, but individuals are plugged into the grid and satiated with Facebook and Twitter.

Sterling was talking about that crap years ago. The specifics have shifted around; in the reality of late 2018, we see that Facebook has been abandoned by the youth and Twitter might be in trouble. However, the general pattern remains: the ultra-rich devise distractions like Facebook and Twitter to keep the poor in a state where they can't endanger the inequality of the status quo. If we want to write good stories (or live worthwhile lives) we have to be hip to the temptations but we can't let the temptations become addictions. We have to understand that our neighbors are addicted to distractions, even though we are all living on a precarious slope that might slide out from under us at any minute. Read Dashiell Hammett. He will give you the life lessons that will enable you to survive this.

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User 10/14/18 (Sun) 15:17:43 No.52374

interesting to hear this hammett fellow invented being poor and writing about it

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User 10/14/18 (Sun) 20:04:18 No.52376

>>52373

Why should I care about boring poor brown people in some shithole country that has absolutely no relevance to my own poverty, tech level, or gun collection?

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User 10/14/18 (Sun) 20:11:36 No.52378

hello antifa poster, go choke on a dick and fuck off back to >>>/leftypol/. This is not board for your political advertising.

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User 10/14/18 (Sun) 22:52:37 No.52381

That Sterling talk is very interesting.

https://www.wired.com/2011/02/transcript-of-reboot-11-speech-by-bruce-sterling-25-6-2009/

>Dark Euphoria is what the twenty-teens feels like. Things are just falling apart, you can’t believe the possibilities, it’s like anything is possible, but you never realized you’re going to have to dread it so much. It’s like a leap into the unknown. You’re falling toward earth at nine hundred kilometres an hour and then you realize there’s no earth there. That’s a dark euphoria feeling. It’s the cultural temperament of the coming decade. It comes in two flavours. Top end and low end.

>The top end we can describe as “Gothic High-Tech”. (…) These [Jobs, Obama, Sarkozy] are Gothic High-Tech figures, people who position themselves in the narrative rather than building any permanent infrastructure. That’s what you’ve been telling each other to do all day. That’s why you love these guys. They’re positioning themselves in the narrative rather than building any permanent infrastructure. They’re cheerleaders, they’re not leaders. They’re cheerleaders. And if the narrative happens to be poverty, floods, air-crashes, drug addiction, infidelity, whatever, they’re going to be good to go. It’s like the Gen-X temperament, really.

> The flip-side of Gothic High-Tech is downmarket, and it’s called “Favela Chic.” What is Favela Chic? Favela Chic is when you have lost everything material, everything you built and everything you had, but you’re still wired to the gills! And really big on Facebook. That’s Favela Chic. You lost everything, you have no money, you have no career, you have no health insurance, you’re not even sure where you live, you don’t have children, and you have no steady relationship or any set of dependable friends. And it’s hot. It’s a really cool place to be.

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User 10/14/18 (Sun) 22:57:39 No.52382

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>>52381

>> The flip-side of Gothic High-Tech is downmarket, and it’s called “Favela Chic.” What is Favela Chic? Favela Chic is when you have lost everything material, everything you built and everything you had, but you’re still wired to the gills! And really big on Facebook.

So cyberpunk normiefied, great, this is shit. This might be better received on reddit.

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User 10/15/18 (Mon) 19:04:02 No.52388

>>52382

Sterling is not saying it is a good thing, or that cyberpunk should be favela chic. He's just speculating on the future and offers an analysis. Favela chic could be one of the possibilities.

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User 10/16/18 (Tue) 03:47:17 No.52391

>>52376

This is the thing, this kind of shit just doesn't exist anymore in most white countries. Even in places like detroit there is too much policing, you can't just go live in abandoned buildings and take over neighborhoods like you can in 3rd world hell holes where anything that looks abandoned is up for grabs.

This is honestly kind of sad to me. I'd love to live in 1970s new york where you can just live in random abandoned lofts for free. Block after block of abandoned buildings.

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User 10/16/18 (Tue) 19:46:45 No.52403

>>52376

Favela chic doesn't refer to Brazil/Third world exclusively… The whole point is that way of life exists in our Western countries.

>>52391

There are places "for grabs", but they are in cities/boroughs you might not want to live in (just like those places in 1970s New York). Maybe your expectations of standard of life or comfort are too high for them.

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User 10/16/18 (Tue) 19:52:14 No.52405

>>52403

No this is bullshit, I know people who moved to Detroit during the collapse and who bought trashed out houses in southern Atlanta, it is livable but it isn't unpoliced. Squatting is very much enforced against in these sorts of areas for the most part at least in the current political climate. You just don't get this kind of shit like you see in Brazil where people live in shacks they built for 5-10 years continuously without being forced to clear out. Just doesn't happen in the US, anti-homeless patrols happen with a bi-monthly or every 6-months type of regularity it would seem. It just doesn't compare.

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User 10/16/18 (Tue) 20:09:06 No.52411

>>52405

I'm in Europe, so tell me because I don't know: homeless people do live somewhere, don't they? I had read some stuff about homeless communities. I remember they get some police visits, but they manage to establish some sort of communities.

Around here, there are squats that eventually get dislodged, but it only means the rhythm is a bit faster (6 months to a year usually instead of the 5-10 years you speak about).

That said, the (European) web of people that meet and connect in these places is maintained despite "evacuations". Information is shared (through fanzines, word of mouth…) about new places and people travel from squat to squat.

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User 10/19/18 (Fri) 14:03:38 No.52462

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>>52373

>the ultra-rich devise distractions like Facebook and Twitter to keep the poor in a state where they can't endanger the inequality of the status quo.

Nigger its because they make mad brouzouf out of it: tons from ads, data mining and govs bankrolling them in exchange for info

Welfare is a distraction, its literally brouzouf so the poor wont get desperate and revolt, and who supports that shit and UBI? the same rich fucks who create the market distortions that drive good jobs out and replace them with sweatshops, again because that way they make more money

Follow the brouzouf poltard, its always the fucking money

>>52376

Faggit soon enough you'll be in a north american sector favela too, with megacorp PMC drones watching your ass in case you don't "check your privilege"

See:

>Favela Chic is when you have lost everything material, everything you built and everything you had, but you’re still wired to the gills!

Tons of normies are already there, gaming megacorps point at them as customers for their games since they can't afford shit IRL they spend that little they have on looboxes.

>>52382

Have you been to plebbit? this shit would be worse for their ego than the NPC meme

>>52391

Move to one of those shitty countries then, you think NYC was nice in the 70s? the murder rate was warzone-tier, you could get raped, stabbed, shot dead, then raped again, and nobody would care.

>>52405

Go to baltimore, full of squatters and nobody cares because the houses aint worth shit anyway. Still like others said the 'favela chic' has little to do with actual favelas in brazil: its about becoming poor and not owning shit but still having normie tech to keep you entertained

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User 10/19/18 (Fri) 14:52:54 No.52468

>>52462

Finally, someone understands.

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User 03/13/19 (Wed) 15:14:28 No.55162

>>52381

>You lost everything, you have no money, you have no career, you have no health insurance, you’re not even sure where you live, you don’t have children, and you have no steady relationship or any set of dependable friends. And it’s hot. It’s a reallyschway place to be.

sounds dramatically true but I have a dog, waifu, and lots of bitcoin so idgaf.

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