No.49850 [View All]
Hey chummers, i'd like to share some thoughts on cyberpunk, and you might find it useful(probably not, though.
I think cyberpunk needs to be defined in at least some consensual form, so here's that.
I dont't think that cyberpunk is about aesthetic, as there are certain styles that already represent it, even though some syberpunk fiction might be extremely different from another, atleast visually, yet still remain cuberpunk.Therefore, cuberpunk must be some kind of view of life, world and this other stuff, which is usually called philosophy.So, what then forms cyberpunk views? Well, the word "cyberpunk" consists of words "cyber" and "punk"(who'd have thought).
I'll try to explain these 2 views that form cyberpunk, starting with "punk" part. Punks represent the movement of independence, nonconformism, and other stuff i may not fully understand, as the only punk things i've seen were some drunk guys sleeping after drinking alcohol, in a very extensive amount. I therefore would disagree with the punkish point of demonstrating nonconformism, challenging "society", and all this actions, as dependent on other people and as a consequence of the movement becoming subculture the same way, as, for example, the "programming" or "IT" sphere of interest created h@xx0rs. Instead, i'd define "punk" part as nonacceptance of authority, submission and forceful coercion, there is another reason destructive provocation is not very suitable, and i'll explain later.
So, now here is the "cyber" part. I think cyber-ish idea does not stop on some certain technological level, and is extensive to any technology and knowledge, and i then define cyber as using extensive knowledge of the world to your advantage, and, therefore, while being able to mill yourself a fullmetal butt plug on a lathe may not sound very cyberpunk, to the extent of our technological developement of today, it counts. Cyber also does not end on the tech only, as being able to cure yourself, blend in the crowd, survive in the woods, or get a better job still comes under the "knowledge of the world". So, after all this wall of text, what is cyberpunk? It is an idea of independence, self sufficience, unwillingness to conform, of strong self, and action towards your goals and principles. As it is, you can even be a head of a megacorporation(imagine a coder working for google), dress in the high end clothes, do your job, and yet be cyberpunk, if you hold no respect of belief in such an entity, and not embrace it(or any other) in your mind.*
Thanks for reading all this, hope i got it at least partially right, and if not, feel free to btfo me at any moment.
*In case of clothes, it can be at least a professional requirement, though it can also be personal preference, as some "technoninja" clothes may not be very fitted in terms of utility, but be enjoyable for a person, and still be available. What i'm saying is, even though some actions, decisions or appearance may not be fitted for certain lifestyle, they still are fine, unless they serve some purpose, other than visually representing some fiction, in which case it would rather be against this philosophy, which, ultimately, would sound like "form follows function" in case of choice of tools or clothes. Basically, the same way that people who do cosplay do not use their costumes on a regular basis.
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No.50135
>>50133
I think I see what you're getting at. That it's about the impact that having a technology before the authorities have had a chance to decide how it should be used, might be the defining difference.
Gibson said 'The street finds its own use for things'. I think that's what he was getting at. The 'Street' isn't going to have the same use for CRISPR or VR that the government is. Their uses may be in opposition, and 'the street' and 'the authority' are on equal footing with any new technology.
I think what I'd like to see on this board is more about how we can use technology in ways that weren't intended, or even imagined, by authority.
I see people discussing building their own budget computers, even wearables, and I think about how the US government would love to just issue everyone a headset that tracks them, records everything they say and see, etc … and archives it.
Google, of course, tried to do that with the Glass. They had in mind that, if they could be there for everything someone thought to record, or communicate, then they could better control consumers.
Then these assholes come along and just build their own. They use them to pirate music and video games. They can communicate anonymously with them. They don't record or report any information to the government OR google.
I like that. That's what it's about.
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No.50136
>>50123
Cool larping. IDK what your buying, but people dealing pot actually just use regular phones and text messages that are plain text. It was semi-insane but definetly cyberpunk that silkroad users where using tor, reshipping, and GPG to buy drugs online. I think this was inaccessible to the vast vast majority of drug users.
It seems implausible to me that the average drug user would even be using voip/line2/whatsapp let alone XMPP+OTR, E-mail + GPG.
Can you provide more larp information about what kind of crypto your dealer uses?
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No.50139
>>50135
Well, it is not all about authorities, but for majority of people, as if it would not, then authorities would not find it a problem either. Or, at least they have not yet changed public opinions on the subject.
I think it is as much about authorities as it is about normalfags really. Like, not just about conflict of progress and authorities, but the expansion of something that challenges or is not compatible with social norms and dogmas, yet cannot be ignored or reversed(like, science and progress, as most notable example, though even something like discovery of america seems oddly compatible with this definition).
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No.50140
>>50136
From looking at it? I'd say it was probably a barely-edited example on writing a chat program, running on a $3/month VPS with a let's encrypt certificate that let people basically ask 'Hey, you holding', and trade a bitcoin address.
Also, not weed. Weed isn't even 'drugs' anymore.
Your incredulous attitude is amusing. You must still think these are hard things to do, and that only specialized people do them. When, really, any idiot can set up an encrypted web page that allows someone to arrange a deal.
I really hope he trusts his VPS provider, but then I never said what he was doing was guaranteed to work. I just think it's adorable that you don't think drug dealers have web pages or use bitcoin.
Especially after silk road gave literally everyone the idea.
You're like someone arguing that no one pirates movies, because you don't know anyone that does, in spite of the overwhelming evidence that EVERYONE BUT YOU IS DOING IT.
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No.50141
>>50139
I think your talking about 'counterculture', now. The question about that is: Is 'normalfag' culture organic, or is it another form of corporate control? What's 'popular' and 'normal' is entirely controlled by the media, so even just having media on the internet that's not under their control is a part of this.
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No.50142
>>50140
>You must still think these are hard things to do
You are retardedly disconnected from reality. Apparently your drugs are 2 awesome from me, because your buying through custom built webapps.
If you think the average drug buy looks like https custom webapp + bitcoin your an idiot.
Also, using any kind of not self signed https for a webapp is retarded. Your not trying to get the EFF to vounch for your identity, your just trying to get PFS session to a client.
Also, drug users don't buy drugs from webpages, and don't have bitcoin.
Its so out of touch with reality its crazy.
I don't claim to be in touch with the OPsec and technical measures that people high up the chain might be taking, but their is an instutional culture passed from "OG"'s to youth in moving drugs, and the youth are not using encrypted comms at all. My bet is their security measures look like using poor children as disposable
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No.50143
>>50142
>Also, using any kind of not self signed https for a webapp is retarded. Your not trying to get the EFF to vounch for your identity, your just trying to get PFS session to a client.
You asked me to guess, so I guessed. I'm not going to debate his technical decisions with you. I honestly imagined it was let's encrypt because it's the easiest way to do that. There are lots of tutorials, and even if you don't know what's going on AT ALL, you can follow them. It might not be the best option, but it's probably the first one you'll hear about.
> If you think the average drug buy looks like https custom webapp + bitcoin your an idiot.
I don't know what to tell you. Somehow it's no surprise at all to you that a teenager can set up something like this for a webcomic, but someone saying 'Just hit this webpage and maybe you'll catch me, and if not, leave me a message with a way to contact you' is IMPOSSIBLE.
>Also, drug users don't buy drugs from webpages, and don't have bitcoin.
They will go to a website rather than make a phonecall from their goddamn cell phone, which is all anyone has now.
Bitcoin is not the super secret awesome technology you seem to think it is.
>Its so out of touch with reality its crazy.
Because silk road didn't famously exist, and of course no one has ever done a smaller version of something popular for themselves.
>I don't claim to be in touch with the OPsec and technical measures that people high up the chain might be taking, but their is an instutional culture passed from "OG"'s to youth in moving drugs, and the youth are not using encrypted comms at all. My bet is their security measures look like using poor children as disposable
Well, again, I'm not buying weed … but I'm not buying industrial quantities of anything either.
I mean, when someone told me to hit his webpage, I sort of shrugged. It was well after Silk Road, so not a totally new thing, and it's not like he won't just meet up and trade for cash, but he'll do bitcoin too.
I think a lot of creeped out college kids don't want to use their cell phones and drive to some totally sketchy fucking house. I mean, I know the guy, so I'll go to his house, but it doesn't surprise me at all that he'd arrange something a little more like a dead drop for a scared 19yr old trying to score E for his buddies.
Again, stop and really think about it for a second. How many webcomics with built-in chat and message capabilities can you think of … but where you're dealing with paranoid clients and the cops actually possibility caring what you're saying, it's IMPOSSIBLE for you to imagine that a full-on adult college drop-out would build something for his 'home business'?
which one of us is divorced from reality here?
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No.50144
>>50142
>using any kind of not self signed https for a webapp is retarded.
Yeah, because people love signing into websites to buy drugs, and getting a certificate error screaming about how not safe, and not private, that page is. You're a fucking retard. Stop talking.
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No.50145
>>50143
You keep strawmanning my argument. I never said these things are difficult to do. I did say that dealers arn't doing them at large. I did say their is an alternative institutional culture with its own decades long cat and mouse game with US LE. What I see, on the low side of that culture is that these measures have not been adopted.
I do not think they have not been adopted due to their complexity, but instead due to two factors: 1) Conservativism of the Culturing owing to the stakes & 2.) The client base
When your freedom is at risk, betting on novel methods can be a huge mistake. When your friends are getting away with a set of best practices called "game", devianting from that to attempt a wholly novel idea is dangerous. Their is a decades long institutional culture of people selling drugs, who are adapted to conflict with LE.
Also, its simply insane to imagine that meth addicts are using websites, dead drops and bitcoin to compete transactions.
People are generally buying from dealers they know at parties etc. or meeting dealers in parking lots. This is all arranged by phone or in person. There are not dead drops and bitcoin. Telling your clients that they must aquire bitcoin then visit a webpage, the visit a dead drop location creates friction. They will just buy from someone else. Why are you being so weird about it.
Second, your fantasy just has a horrible incentive structure and bad technical details. https is the wrong technology for reasons we previously discussed. But, more than that: having a VPS, domain name to be accessible over clear web creates a super obvious paper trail that is risky to maintain, and their is higher visibility. Local LE isn't yet mining data around calls or texts to identify dealers, or at least not acting on it due to political consequences. I doubt local LE retains that capability yet. Also, Silk road was successful because of its reviewed, and arbitrated structure. Visiting your dealers webapp to make a bitcoin payment has no such arbitration, or review structure which means you must know dealer and might as well meet in person.
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No.50146
>>50142
Oldfag buying weed off the same guy since highschool doesn't understand what the college kids are up to.
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No.50147
>>50145
>I think a lot of creeped out college kids don't want to use their cell phones and drive to some totally sketchy fucking house. I mean, I know the guy, so I'll go to his house, but it doesn't surprise me at all that he'd arrange something a little more like a dead drop for a scared 19yr old trying to score E for his buddies.
Its so clear you have never bought drugs its crazy. You don't drive to a crazy house, except in movies. You find out your friends friend sells, and you ask for his number. You text him, let him know you'd like to buy some. He tells you need to buy this much for him to drive out to you, and you arrange to meet halfway at some walmart or w/e. Thats actually what happens. You do not actually visit a deaddrop, or spend time aquiring bitcoin. Can you imagine trying to convince a meth addict to aquire bitcoin? lol bruh. You have to take that brouzouf you have, and go one local bitcoins .com then visit a webpage, then go out to some abandoned area for your deaddrop pickup.
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No.50148
>>50144
>Yeah, because people love signing into websites to buy drugs, and getting a certificate error screaming about how not safe, and not private, that page is. You're a fucking retard. Stop talking.
10/10 troll. Myself I prefer a verisigned certificate and a domain registered without whois privacy for my drug buys. I also require my dealers web app not run any non-free javascript. I wouldn't buy drugs if my web browser told me not too via certificate error. Also, I somehow aquired bitcoin to spend on drugs, because that is trival today. Also, I do not know any thing about technology, because I am addicted to meth. And I definitely do not believe that a deaddrop is a setup for a robbery.
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No.50149
>>50145
>You keep strawmanning my argument.
I'm just reading this argument, and I think you need to take a step back.
>When your freedom is at risk, betting on novel methods can be a huge mistake. When your friends are getting away with a set of best practices called "game", devianting from that to attempt a wholly novel idea is dangerous. Their is a decades long institutional culture of people selling drugs, who are adapted to conflict with LE.
Dude, encryption isn't new. It's not novel. It's ancient. Bitcoin has been popular for almost a decade. Silk Road was shut down FIVE YEARS AGO. A million smaller sites popped up to take its place before it even went down.
>Also, its simply insane to imagine that meth addicts are using websites, dead drops and bitcoin to compete transactions.
This guy keeps saying college kids, you keep insisting meth addicts.
I believe 100% that college kids are way more comfortable using an encrypted webpage than cleartext phone chat, Facebook or something no one under 25 will do AT ALL, make a voice phone call.
You keep changing his argument to mean strung out drug addicts from some TV show you watch, when this guy keeps saying college kids.
>People are generally buying from dealers they know at parties etc. or meeting dealers in parking lots. This is all arranged by phone or in person.
Yeah, kids raised by helicopter parents don't hang out in parking lots. Drug dealers don't hang around in campus parking lots.
>https is the wrong technology for reasons we previously discussed.
You suggested that using a self signed certificate would be a good idea, and that just shows how pathetic and desperately out of touch you were. I'm not sure what else you think it proved, but if you want a TLS encrypted conversation, you're going to need a certificate, and if you want it to not scream warnings at kids, you'll just have to use the totally free option that doesn't even check your fake name and background info.
>having a VPS, domain name to be accessible over clear web creates a super obvious paper trail that is risky to maintain
Yeah, you can maintain all of these things with bitcoin, from Tor. It's not fullproof, but it's not that hard for a small time dealer to make himself more of a pain in the ass than he's worth. SilkRoad got too big, that was their real failure. If you want to be the local website the kids trust, it's not nearly as hard.
>Visiting your dealers webapp to make a bitcoin payment has no such arbitration, or review structure which means you must know dealer and might as well meet in person.
It's a matter of reputation. Someone says 'I set up a thing on this website, and it worked. Didn't have to talk to anyone', and that'll get them there. Then you just have to deliver. It's a drug deal, so some risk is just expected, but if a bunch of kids are saying 'Go to this site and this dude will explain how to buy without ever meeting', some will do it. If it keeps working, more will do it.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but you sound like you just didn't know this was a thing on campuses around the country for the past several years, and the other guy is just trying to tell you the sun sets in the west.
Take a deep breath and listen.
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No.50150
>>50146
The market will not have it: Your clients will not tolerate the huge increase in work: Aquire bitcoin, Use webapp, visit deaddrop. And its just not the way business is done. People change the amount they are buying rapidly: They also want to see flavors /Quality before they buy. The technical hurdle is a huge deal. Aquire bitcoin is a huge deal. Silk road worked around this buy selling industrial quantities with super high quality reviews and arbitration. Its fundamentally a different market.
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No.50151
>>50150
I mean, it just is working. I don't know what to tell you. Kids don't test Molly for purity. This isn't weed. You don't have to do bitcoin, but you can. Stop trying to re-frame this as something that fits your argument. Kids are going on websites and setting up drug deals. Just accept it.
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No.50154
>>50141
No, actually, i am talking about the things most people do not care, so the authorities cannot yet influence these without pulling of CP or terrorism card. It is basically tho-way: authorities influence "masses" to gain their support to further enforce their position, but their influence spreads only through ignorance, so they have to struggle that hard simply to keep up, as humans generally become less stupid.
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No.50157
>>50147
>Its so clear you have never bought drugs its crazy. You don't drive to a crazy house.
This is funny to me. I'm not the guy(s) arguing with you, but I've bought drugs, like, a lot of times.
Literally every time it was a friend of mine saying 'Hey, can we swing by my friend Josh's place?', and when we do, it becomes immediately clear Josh is a drug dealer.
That's how I've met every drug dealer I've ever bought from (some not named Josh).
Meeting in a fucking Walmart parking lot sounds like a good way to get stabbed to me.
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No.50158
>>50149
>Dude, encryption isn't new
This is a retarded argument. Because we have good reason to believe that AES provides a good security margin isn't a good reason to believe setting up and HTTP server, web app, domain, tranacting in bitcoin, the real life acctions associated with this provide good security margin - the reality is plenty of that is novel terrority and its hard to say.
>Silk Road
Is different. Its a different market. Its technologically sophisticated people buying large quantities from unknown parties via arbritated reviewed market. This is not what the average buy looks like.
>This guy keeps saying college kids, you keep insisting meth addicts.
I am a college kid. This guy is retarded.
>I believe 100% that college kids are way more comfortable using an encrypted webpage than cleartext phone chat,
I am comfortable using virtually anything because I realize that local LE will not retain the capability to serveil traffic. Using a webpage might be slightly more risky inasmuch as it almost certianly becomes a federal issue, and feds retain a lot more techonogical capability than local LE's , but what do feds care about a small scale buy.
>cleartext phone chat
You haven't met any college students if you think the average college student even understands the word clear text.
>something no one under 25 will do AT ALL, make a voice phone call.
Have witness phone calls being made for deals buy people under 25. All the time. Your out of it.
>You keep changing his argument to mean strung out drug addicts from some TV show you watch
No. Beieve it or not, actual drug addicts are not insanely hard to find. You ever see homeless people shooting? you think they bought that with bitcoin on a webpage. My man.
>Yeah, kids raised by helicopter parents don't hang out in parking lots. Drug dealers don't hang around in campus parking lots.
People don't hang out it parking lots. But they sure meet in parking lots. Its a goto for anyone meeting anyone. Lets meet down by the walmart. Also, believing kids raised by helicopter parents buy bitcoin, then vist a webpage to buy drugs , then go to a dead drop location is far more retarded than believing they go to meet their friend and exchange cash.
>You suggested that using a self signed certificate would be a good idea
Nope. I suggested that using a not-self signed certificate would be retarded. Because the premise of the signed certificate makes little sense: Your not asking someone to vouch for your identity.
>if you want a TLS encrypted conversation,
Yeah Why? If you want encryption because your threat model includes the APT of the US Federal government sniffing your traffic then your fucked if your not on tor and possibly if your on tor , but if your using tor, you create even more elaborate hoops for your clients to jump through. And signed certificate is irrelevant anyway at this point - if your using tor you understand enough to not worry about self signed certificate.
>the local website the kids trust, it's not nearly as hard.
lol.
>like you just didn't know this was a thing on campuses around the country for the past several years
Point out one campus drug site on http clear net or any evidence any dealer has ever built a custom web app to deal locally.
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No.50159
>>50157
I am not sure if you realize this is exactly the description of buying drugs i provided like 5 times at this point.
It just looks like, lets meet halfway at jack in the box. I suggesting the dead drop idea, crazy haunted house is ridiculous. And that people buy drugs from their friends, and meet their friends halfway sometimes.
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No.50160
>>50158
Your bullshit is getting awfully thick.
You're a college student who's around a lot of homeless junkies shooting in the street? You set up a 'meet' in a parking lot? You don't believe encrypted chat is a thing kids would want, instead of text-messages?
From your own description, you go to a university with homeless people, where the kids have never heard of encryption (or Cleartext), and you meet in parking lots (with homeless meth addicts) to exchange drugs?
Yeah, I don't do meth, or go to school in the fucking ghetto, so maybe our experiences are different.
Have fun getting stabbed at Walmart while working on your 2-year degree in IT from Detroit Community College.
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No.50161
>>50159
No, I think there's a guy suggesting that his friend, who he buys drugs from, has an encrypted web page for arranging things so kids don't text him all day.
You basically invented the rest. If you read the actual description of the site it was 'encrypted chat'. Not a huge webapp, not requiring Bitcoin, not requiring dead drops.
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No.50162
>>50160
>You're a college student who's around a lot of homeless junkies shooting in the street?
There is a huge wealth gradient in the Bay Area. There are literally shit tons of of incredible rich and incredibly poor people right next to each other.
>You set up a 'meet' in a parking lot?
Litterally 24x7 i tell friends, meet me at taco bell. Meet me at starbucks. Its not so crazy like you imagine.
>You don't believe encrypted chat is a thing kids would want
This is retarded. Its a thing i wish people would want. But, the reality is most people are not into technology. Do not understand encryption, are not willing to spend any time clearly technological hurdles to do anything. Which is why strong encryption has existed for decades but not been adopted.
>you go to a university with homeless people,
Listing literally in college in a city that has an open campus. Visit literally any city. Wealth Gradient is a reality.
>where the kids have never heard of encryption (or Cleartext)
Go ask the average university student about the word clear text devoid of context. Believe it or not, the average college student isn't technical. There are tons of Humanities majors who are not intrested in technology. I meet technical (physics, math, engineers) majors sometimes not interested in or power users of information technology.
>you meet in parking lots (with homeless meth addicts) to exchange drugs?
I don't meet homeless meth addicts on purpose anywhere or exchange anything with them. I meet friends at local landmarks because in the city people don't drive.
>Have fun getting stabbed at Walmart while working on your 2-year degree in IT from Detroit Community College.
Keep shit posting your fantasys about sellings drugs by web app to college students while I get my degree.
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No.50163
>>50161
>Your average drug dealer can figure out how to safely use chat programs to set up a buy. We now have drones you can buy at WalMart that are capable of delivering a payload of a cell phone or an 8ball of coke.
wtf are you talking about. This guy is talking about the average drug dealer delivering coke by drone and using 'chat programs'. Later follow ups added deaddrop and bitcoin, i didn't make this shit up. But the original post is equally garbage. If the average deal was delivered by drone, people would be shooting down drones, and we would all know about it.
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No.50167
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No.50168
>>50167
This guy is talking about the average drug dealer delivering coke by drone
Do you not understand there is more than 1 drug deal occuring? The skies are not littered with drones delivering anything. Therefore, if drugs are being exchange, its not by drone on average.
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No.50169
>>50168
No, he said the average drug dealer has access to these things.
You are taking everything everyone says and adding your own bullshit.
Average drug dealers have access to drones. They do. That's a fact.
Average drug dealers have access to encryption. They do. That's a fact!
Some drug dealers are using those technologies. That is a FACT.
You are throwing your hands up and acting like an asshole becausee NO ONE YOU KNOW PERSONALLY is doing these things, while SEVERAL people make posts telling you that you are an asshole, these things DO HAPPEN.
Just shut the fuck up. No one else thinks these things, as reported in the news for half a decade, is nearly as crazy as you do.
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No.50170
>>50168
>This guy is talking about the average drug dealer delivering coke by drone
No, he's not. You are the only person saying that!
>Do you not understand there is more than 1 drug deal occuring?
DO YOU?!
>The skies are not littered with drones delivering anything.
THEY ARE!
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/2/drones-fly-drugs-us-no-border-patrol-detection-tec/
https://nypost.com/2017/12/27/couple-charged-with-using-drone-to-deliver-drugs/
https://www.npr.org/2017/11/15/564272346/prisons-work-to-keep-out-drug-smuggling-drones
In the case of prisons, it's such a common problem they have to have guards specifically on the lookout for them!
>if drugs are being exchange, its not by drone on average.
NO ONE SAID THE AVERAGE DRUG DEAL IS DONE BY DRONES BUT YOU!
As for the whole thing about making it sound impossible that a drug dealer would set up a PRIVATE CHAT, 5 fucking years AFTER Silkroad … JFC man … just stop.
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No.50172
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No.50266
>>49893
>Also, It is about being Corp-Proof. Not feeding those Corporations that suck dry your infos for brouzouf, and sell your their gimmicky-tier products, like the iot Lamps that do shit. What's next, google? the smartphone that notificates me when it's time to go peepee?
>Knowing how to protect your anonymity, not being tracked down constantly, being off-grid as much as you possibly can.
expanding on that point, cyberpunk is more than just being off grid, its being off-grid while still going through the rid, one can live in a cabin in the woods using wood for energy and not having any electronics, but thats not cyberpunk. self sufficient in a megacity i where you take advantage of information systems to do your day to day living while still avoiding being dependent on the system is
you forget that smart health monitors already have that ability to tell you when its time to do things "for your health" and google and a few other companies have gotten in bed with health care providers to create healthcare AI and cloud data management
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No.50268
>>50266
This is why I think the conversation about making your own wearables/portables is the most cyberpunk think on this site. I've been dreaming about making something I can carry around that lets me do my cyber shit, but doesn't rat me out. It's easy to just not do any of the stuff herd-tech does, but it's a lot more interesting to do it, but in a way that doesn't make you part of the herd.
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No.50270
>>49850
>cyberpunk is about aesthetic
true. thought the same like few days ago.
Junkyard with mountainous pile of e-junk, mossy and grassy from old age. Abandoned and what seems to be unrecognizable and useless huge vehicle whose doors have rusted shut and tires gone - I sit atop its hood and rest for a while.
Blue-green atmosphere with a hint of golden radiance from the near-sunset sky, vegetation, and high humidity enhancing the saturation. Heavy clouds that never pour, I am enjoying the view of the seemingly noisy techno-urban city from afar along with its botnet monoliths and obelisks with small glowing red dots at its edges - standing vigil and awaiting to obliterate anything it deems undesirable or rebel.
I draw out of my pocket - a device considered vintage by now from which I surf the interwebs wirelessly through my remote meme machine stationed at the tail of the damned city - self-destructing though I've done a painstaking task just to stealthily secure transmissions through that modified ATH7x70 wifi card and a non-botnet and authentic rewrite of the entire IPV8 network stack to safely remove those botnet-enabling harmful proprietary protocols.
As I browse the interwebs, it seems that nothings changed since recently.
"These fucking transhumanists literally inject botnet underneath their skins like livestocks"
A sudden sound shocked me but it sounds too familiar: it's just my pocket companion notifying me that it's low on energy so. I take out my drained solar powerlithium but it's pretty useless now.
"It's getting dark…"
Sigh. *drinks from nanobotnet-purified water jug*
"Time to work." *puts on night-vision and anti-botnet iris protection shades*
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No.50293
>>49855
>ethical
>nihilism
pick one.
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No.50303
>>50293
Ethical or moral nihilism rejects said morality in the sense that it cannot describe the world and is just the feeling on a subject. You could have googled it and it would take 5 seconds. There also are different types of nihilism under common name. Here https://www.quora.com/What-are-all-of-the-types-of-nihilism.
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No.50305
Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a futuristic setting that tends to focus on a "combination of lowlife and high tech" featuring advanced technological …
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No.50307
A guy said to me recently that cyberpunk is noir but with a focus on corporate control of private lives and the misuse of technology.
High tech, low life.
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No.50325
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No.50331
it's essentially just larping for dumb nostalgic american idiots
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No.50369
>>50331
It's like you don't even own a software defined shortwave radio.
Get one and scan the specta. If you don't see some shady shit beaming your way, you're not cool enough for the system to care.
Don't have to larp when govs with tech decades more advanced than most think exists are using it on /cyber/anons.
protip: Topping from the bottom is cyberpunk as fuck.
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No.50373
>>50331
This is why there can't be a 'Cyberpunk Subculture'. It's too intermixed with the fiction.
You can't post pics of cartoon characters with make believe computers doing make believe things, then say 'Our world is just like that!', and then dress up like that.
It's retarded.
Even if you're right, you're still just playing dress up.
Of course every time someone gets arrested it's the worlds fattest incel in a stained t-shirt, but no one wants to be that fucking guy, so we go back to the imaginary pictures.
Give up on dressing Cyber. The well is poisoned. Go find something else to do.
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No.50396
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No.50428
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No.50461
>>50373
I think the fictional visuals are the problem. They're the coolest/most inspirational part, but they make us hold cyber things to an unrealistic standard. Or, they teach us that things aren't cyber unless they LOOK cyber. But like >>50442 shows, we're already living in that kind of world, but we dismiss it because the set dressing isn't there.
Personally I really admire cybergoths for trying to create a space where the physical reality lives up to the conceptual reality we're already in (TOR, cryptocurrency, data brokers). Its sad that we can't feel cyber unless we look around and SEE cyber, while at the same time, our physical reality can't look cyber because unless some critical threshold is met (think club scenes in any hollywood movie) or it'll feel out of place.
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No.50464
>>50461
So much this.
People wait for everyone to be part of the network when most already are. What difference does it make whether it's a handheld phone or a neuro-interface?
People wait for the corporations to take control of the governments, but they already have most of the control. Not via direct governing, but via lobbying. Basically, legal bribing.
Wageslaves, underworld, rebels, corruption, controlled networks, big brother. We got all that, but edgy posers fail to see it unless it's highlighted by neon lights.
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No.55018
>>50464
>Wageslaves, underworld, rebels, corruption, controlled networks, big brother. We got all that, but edgy posers fail to see it unless it's highlighted by neon lights.
a boring dystopia.
Can /cyber/ just be maker/hacker + schway asthetic and decentralization/self-reliance ?
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No.55885
cyberpunk is a genre of fiction from the 80's. Now it's a way for tech shazbots to talk down to people who still use apple.
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No.55895
>>55885
It's a way of life, bruh.
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No.55918
>>55018
>Wageslaves, underworld, rebels, corruption, controlled networks, big brother. We got all that
But the whole point of cyberpunk was being able to rebel through tech, instead we live in the most conformist era, you got supposedly serious critics praising fucking comic book movies made by megacorps, its borderline impossible to be anon on the net anymore and now even third world countries like ecuador have facial recognition CCTV in their cities, and the chinese already have gait ID, how the fuck you rebel against that?
Simple: you dont, you nextflix and chill, spend all your wageslave bucks on takeout and then die, which is what an entire generation is doing
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No.55929
>>55918
>But the whole point of cyberpunk was being able to rebel through tech
Looks like this keeps confusing a lot of people.
"Punk" in cyberpunk does not refer to the punk subculture with their mohawks and general anti-establishment attitude, but to a more general (and maybe now somewhat outdated) usage as worthless person/petty criminal, a dreg of society, the epitomous "low life".
Hobos, thieves, crackers, corrupt cops, drug dealers, etc.
They do not rebel against the established order, they just operate within it's shadows.
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No.55941
>>55918
You learn to code, to avoid botnet hardware, find creative ways to avoid surveillance systems or destroy/jam them or feed them bogus data. In other words, you improvise, adapt, and overcome. No matter what system they put in place, we have the upper hand because we only need to find a single way to exploit or defeat them, and no system is ever perfect.
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No.56004
Cyberpunk is not an aesthetic, cyberpunk is not what you wear, or what you buy. Cyberpunk is what you do and what you think.
Cyberpunk is using technology how you want to and not caring about the rules that "they" have set in place.
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