/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

>>46205

>i live about ~30 north of chicago

i live on a network of digital computers distributed across the planet.

cyberculture ranges from punk to drone.

find meatpunks in meatspace.

find cyberpunks in cyberspace.

>>46207

> implying any cyberpunks still exist on the net

>>46205

>meatspace

>cyberpunk

Clearly at your local soykaf shop.

All meme answers aside, I've never found a fellow cyberpunk in the 16 years I've been in school. That being said, I've never announced myself to be one, either. A mixture of the distances between one another and a fear of being labeled as 'Edgy' keeps us away from each other. Case of point; I live about 15 minutes from D.C.

>>46218

This. So much this. Hang out and go "Imma cyberpunk!" and you'll get laughed at by computer nerds, gearheads, jocks, businessmen, drug addicts.

>muh cyber-privilege

>>46218

>>46221

These, anyone that self-proclaims this is asking to get laughed at and is best kept to roleplaying. Just enjoy the implications of the cyberpunk future as time goes by and enjoy that citizen life under growing corporate oppression that goes on unchallenged.

…cyberpunk is a speculative fiction sub-genre, not an identity.

>>46230

>triggered

>>46230

> punk is a music genre, not a subculture

solid logic

>>46264

This is not how it works, stop pretending to be retarded.

by memes

most of times I would just go around places where I expect other people like me and start shitposting with people IRL

>tilt my glasses so that the hinges rest on top of my head

>spread hands around like caveman spongebob or Neo from matrix

>"OH MAH GAWD MAYN, sql injection bruuuhh, xss, arp poisoning, domain hijacking…"

>they laugh

>hacker friendos acquired

>>46265

>>46230

you sound like you have a lot of friends

>>46273

Sorry.

>>46275

trying to apologize to anonymous people online is just trying to avoid apologizing to yourself

I wasn't the person you were talking to, just so you know

im thinking.. at a movie premier about soem cyber shit

>>46411

Nice dubs.

But really, do cyberpunks go to meatspace movies?

I thought they just pirated whatever they needed.

I think the thing about being punk is that the more alienated and alone you are, the more punk you are.

It's great to meet compatible people, but often that ends the alienation that had defined the "punk" or "goth" nature of a miserable individual.

Actually learn to hack. They'll find you.

>tfw no qt3.14 /cyber/ gf

might as well just kill myself now tbh

>>46722

>implying cyberpunk == code-bashing console jockey

>>46205

Nice to hear that they are decent Chicagoans around here. I recently moved near Chicago and I have only come across unpleasant people. I tried to look for some computer related communities or gatherings but left empty handed. I guess we are very uncanny by nature and very skillful at blending in with the society. xD

>>47175

my point exactly.

>>47175

This, to an extend.

Also, take up some jobs and you'll meet punks. Just takes patience and vigilance.

>>47175

op here. how is this thread still going

anyway, cyberpunk isn't a profession as much as it is a culture and a lifestyle. hence why it's hard to go out and meet other and similar people

>>47179

>take up some jobs and you'll meet punks.

Do you mean just any old job, like flipping burgers, or highly skilled jobs like network penetration testing?

>>47227

You won't meet cyberpunks doing Network Security.

You'll meet nerds in cargo shorts that will make you feel stupid for thinking that you're a 'Cyebrpunk'.

>>46205

Cyberpunk isn't really a subculture as much as it is a potential wider culture. I live in a (small) town that has just started to push cryptocurrency, has a 3D printing shop, and I'd say there is a decent permeation of hacker culture, but also has a major meth and heroin problem. Cyberpunks are not people, cyberpunk is the world people live in where tech meets trash.

>>46728

can you and every other twat in this thread who start with "implying" and go on a triggered bitchfest please shut the fuck up? Thanks.

-Everyone.

>>47181

I get what you're saying from the start though. It would be nice to meet people nearby who are like-minded and can teach you a few tricks….kinda wish I could but for all reasons above it's hard, though not impossible.

>>47451

can you and every other twat in this thread who starts with hacker/code/console/programming/networking and goes on a triggered bitchfest please shut the fuck up? Thanks.

-Everyone else.

>>46640

Essentially you just said something very similar to that black people do not eat sammiches with mayo, as only white people eat mayo, and that any black person who eats a sammich with mayo is a fake as black people do not eat mayo, as you know this by your very own personal… knowledge?

Good job. Your mom is proud of you. And still owns me five bucks from the last time I let her blow me.

Cyberculture doesn't exist.

Culture = "the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.". It's the 'regarded collectively' part that I think Cyber fails on. No one, no group, anywhere, including us, can decide what Cyberpunk is, as a group.

Close your eyes, and imagine what a Goth, Punk, Raver, etc … looks like, what they listen to, what they would paint or draw, etc … and everyone who did that would have some similar concept, because they have a culture that is defined.

Now, do that with Cyberpunk. Some people would imagine a homeless man plugged into a street sign charging a phone. Some people would imagine a cyborg from a video game. Some would imagine an EDM club, whild still others would imagine a 2600 meeting.

You can't just say 'Well, it's all of those things'. If it's everything, then it's nothing.

Cyberpunk was a movement in science fiction for about 10 years. Now that it's been reintegrated into fiction, it is no longer a subgenre. All modern near-future speculative fiction shares Cyberpunk influence now.

>>47456

Everything you said about cyberpunk applies to all the other subcultures you mentioned.

Also, cyberpunk isn't everything you gave as an example (when you talked about people imagining it), but everything you gave as an example is cyberpunk.

I mean, one way to find other people who are into it is to find a group of computer nerds or something, and just ask: have any of you guys read Neuromancer (or Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, etc). If they say yes, then you've probably found some cyberpunk friends. If they say they haven't, they might go check it out and you might have introduced more people to the genre.

>>47483

People want to meet the people from the movies, like Hackers and the Matrix. They want to go to industrial clubs with back rooms where ultra-hackers are working away. They want to meet people who hang out in an abandoned arcade to hack to corporate system.

>>47456

Isn't that part of the "ethos" of -punk, though? Fuck the system, fuck a banner or flag. It's every man for himself, and the only thing banding you together is a hatred of the system.

>>47179

>>47227

You'll meet people who fit the definition of punk in any field. If your looking for people who lean closer to cyberpunk, look no further than IT jobs. There's a lot of people perfectly happy to be wageslaves to the corps there. There's also a lot of people (often those you wouldn't expect) who realize the power the corps wield and who hate the system as much as anyone else.

But we do our jobs; we reset passwords and walk shazbots through setting up their email. Better than minimum wage sure, but all the while we realize that we have access to an entire database of employees, customers and transactions that a competitor would happily pay handsomely for.

You will rarely find someone willing to Snowden their employer, but you may find some like minded individuals with a mutual hatred of the corps, willing to talk shit on your corporate masters over a pint.

I'm encountering this very thing at my job. Even my IT manager hates the corps and will readily talk shit on the entire company when we're at a bar.

Cyberpunks aren't just mysterious "hackers" hiding behind a screen in some far off location. Grayman. You don't make this shit obvious. It's supposed to be a subversive ideology, and people who walk around in trenchcoats, talking about their latest "hack" are not the people you want to be associating with. If they're actually doing any hacking, they'll get caught soon enough because they can't keep their fucking mouths shut.

>just some guy waiting for a flight

>sitting in Heathrow airport

>connect to "free" wi-fi

>get bounced off service for Tor connection

>go through VPN then Tor

>still no joy

>spoof MAC address to get round blacklist and time limits on "free" service

>off I go

Stuff "normal" people don't always do

>>47619 gets it

>>47779

Nah, I just always find these wannabes who think installing bouncy castle makes them a cipherpunk, and just knowing it exists makes you a cyberpunk.

Tired of meeting people like you.

>>47790

This must be what the "you're not a REAL gamer, you're just a grrl gamer" mindset is like. This kills the /cyber/.

>>47790

This is kind of the no true Scotsman issue. If there is no delineated metric for what is and is not a cool cyberpunk person, this conversation just becomes squabbling over who is coolest. And virtue signalling, no real point to that.

The person posting here: >>47779

Is honestly slightly right though (although he is probably just larping and is probably in reality a really boring person), people who are actually interesting cyberpunks don't have time for lamers. If you were doing something that was actually interesting people would reach out to you.

It is kind of like saying "I love football, but the only people who I ever find/meet up with are all dumbasses who just watch it on TV! I want to hang around people who are serious players, not amateur players and wannabes" In this hypothetical, why on earth would the professional football player want to be around you?

How do i remotely shut off someones wifi network

>>47813

Throw a rock at his router.

wish I can find a way to crack gmail and facebook passwords without worldlist

can someone give me the commands plz

>>46640

What's up with the reddit spacing?

>>48059

It means you should McFucking kill yourself.

>>47619

This seems like a voice of reason.

I've worked 4-5 jobs, all as a software dev, and the best jobs are the ones where your coworkers know how bullshit the system is and that it's just a job. The worst ones are where people take their job really seriously. This has gotten worse since all the bootcamps started popping up because suddenly you have people who don't give a rats ass about technology making good brouzouf and thinking "omg, I'm actually changing the world with this JS blockchain social network for dogs."

>>46264

I'm a fan of punk rock. I'm not "a punk". I like a lot of music. I'm listening to Industrial right now, and was going to go to a metal show a while back. Stop identifying as the things you consume and identify as who you are.

>>47486

Yeaup. Exactly this. This doesn't exist. Everyone wants to escape the matrix, but there is no matrix.

The economics of information security are far more suited to defense than offense. Run patched code. Bullrun / Edgehill are telling, its difficult to find 0days. 0Days have market worth of potentially tens of thousands of dollars, and someone who can create that kind of value isn't hanging out at McDonald's flipping burgers or in the back of an industrial club, working for Morpheus, they are a security researcher for a company, or work for TAO.

–Cyber–criminals generally do not use 0days. And increasingly do not use exploits at all. Increasingly its social engineering like 'update flash player', or web pages that look like native apps, calls from caller ID spoof'd numbers pretending to be IRS/Dell/Microsoft etc.

Endpoint security has scaled rapidly up over the years. Full ASLR, sandboxing, software pushing an aggressive update model.

There are effectively no 'hackers' to meet. Its just business.

>>47796

I agree with this perspective. It is kind of the old "I don't want to be in any club that would have me as a member". All of the people who are actually building interesting things are not the kind of people who want to hang out with a bunch of kids LARPing. The most cyberpunk people are sucessful startup founders or people doing open source work on interesting projects, not people who want to know how to hack, those people don't actually DO anything. The people who are shifting the world to match their aesthetics via building technology are the true revolutionaries.

It's interesting seeing this thread resurrected a year later. But real talk OP:

All nonsense aside I used to have a group of friends I'd meet up with once a month who were…more or less…cyberpunks. We'd usually get together for a flash drive party (I know sounds virgin as fuck) where we'd bring our laptops and exchange shit we've found over the month or whenever the last time we saw each other. Could be games, movies, ebooks, software, whatever. Then we'd watch a movie or game or go bar hopping and it was such a good time. Sadly we parted ways as life is a cruel bastard that does that to even the closest of friends so I understand why you'd want to meet ppl of similar interests.

Meetups or hackerspaces are a great place to start or hey even making posts like this :) That being said if anyone's in the New England realm I'd be down to meetup or chat.

>>52434

>I'd meet up with once a month who were…more or less…cyberpunks. We'd usually get together for a flash drive party (I know sounds virgin as fuck) where we'd bring our laptops and exchange shit we've found over the month or whenever the last time we saw each other. Could be games, movies, ebooks, software, whatever. Then we'd watch a movie or game or go bar hopping and it was such a good time.

That sounds alot less like cyberpunk friends and a lot more like friends. I think part of the problem, is what actually is a cyberpunk ?

If cyberpunk is supposed to be some kind of elite merc hacker that it sounds pretty silly, why would cyberpunk friends actually meet IRL to exchange data, via flash drives when the internet exists? And cyberpunks, or at least the console cowboys, are reputed to have some kind of contempt for 'the flesh'. If cyberpunk isn't that, but instead is some kind of techno-criminal subculture, your anecdote is still strange.

Its hard for me to apply the word cyberpunk to a person. Its clear that reality might be cyberpunk, but its hard for me to understand what a cyberpunk individual is doing. Or to believe the people that might most own that adjective are posting on fullchan. Perhaps Snowden, Manning , Applebuam, Assanage for sure seem to have cypberpunk lives, although I am not sure anyone other than perhaps Assange might identify as a cyberpunk. Snowden seemed to feel more as some kind of right wing , libertarian 'patriot'. But, these kinds of people seem not to be what Gibson had in mind when constructing Neuromancer.

Gibson seemed to think that technology would democratize access to power, governments would be obsolete largely, and cyberpunks would be more nihilists attacking corperations. In this sense perhaps Anonymous (lol), Lizard Sec, GNAA, lulzsec where akin to Panther Moderns.

And I might be more inclined to believe that some of these people are cyberpunk.

If this is what cyberpunk is, it seems strange to claim "I am cyberpunk, me and my friends trade data on flash drives". But, it certainly seems like part of cyberpunk reality, that ordinary people would trade pirated materials using technical know how rather than pay for them individually.

I think 99.99… % of people are not going to get engaged in a book worthy plot against corporations or governments, mostly because technology hasn't democratized power sufficiently for people to become threats to governments or corperations, who both have huge security budgets , and technical know how, which is a good thing, because if it had, there would effectively be chaos, and probably martial law, and near zero economy.

>>TLDR: There is no cyberpunk individual (here)

>>52444

I think you clearly missed the point but…interesting input anyway.

it seems the main problem of all of you is looking for cyberpunk sustenance in the wrong places. cyberpunk is a style, crypto-anarchism is a philosophy that adheres to it. tech jobs are merely ways to get more access to better cyber schway than npc's. you are Neo and the Matrix is all around you, make the best of this simmering shit hole of filth while you can.

>>52509

So, "Ride the Tiger"?

>>52510

it's really up to you. I'm a fan of Evola (author of a book of that title) but I don't pretend to think his ideals can be realized, especially in the US in the current timeline.

>>52509

>>52511

oh and I forgot the crypto economy. the ethereum community is practically a living cyberpunk experiment right now, its shocking to me no one mentions it.

>46205

What is a cyberpunk?

Are there any defining beliefs or activities that make one a cyberpunk ?

>>54903

>what is this board

try going through the catalog, there are plenty of discussions about what is or is not cyberpunk.

>>52509

A large part of cyberpunk thought is trying to understand the world around you on a deeper level than just the surface appearance. to get a glimpse behind the curtain of the digital world so to speak. This has only been attainable since the advent of the wired as a major influence on peoples lives. Behaviors and aesthetic of cyberpunk are the result of a specific understanding of ones role in the world, and that paradigm causes one to act, dress, and think as a cyberpunk, rather than trying to superficially "be cyberpunk" by trying to look it as style rather than substance. There are jobs that could be inherently "cyberpunk" like digital crimes and actions, but those are more characteristic of white collar crime instead of the stereotype "l33t kewl hacker-man" and most people who professionally steal and card people are just scumbags who have no interest in the "aesthetic".

you can LARP all you want, but the real "cyberpunk" world is all around you if you are willing to see it. I would compare most tryhard cyberpunks to be like militias who look the part, but are quite laughable because of their lack of actual ability. People who specialize in futuristic and shady tech, political, and social fields are actually quite cyberpunk, but do not commonly advertise it with good reason either because the world they live in makes that kind of behavior dangerous.

At least that is my take on the subject as someone who's greatest tech achievement is hooking up the breakroom TV at work in a fence fabrication facility so people could watch the football game… (I feel like I am wasting my life in a non-traditional cubicle.)

>>54908

what branch of the military?

>>54908

you were not trying to be "cyberpunk", and that's it right there, you were trying to accomplish something using unconventional means, not deliberately trying to look like some kind of TV hacker climbing around in the ceiling

>>54908

>from my Amiga 500 (so that tells you how long ago this was…)

I had an intellivison growing up.

It doesn't mean I'm old, it means my family had an intellivision kicking around for whatever reason in 1999.

>>54903

The traditional definition is "High Tech; Low Life"

To be less flowery about it, it's basically whatever normal punk is, but higher tech. Where a normal punk would be covered in studs on a cheap suede jacket, a cyberpunk would have their watch sewn into the cuff of that jacket. Where a normal punk would throw molotovs at their local MP's office, a cyberpunk would hack their cloud storage and delete all their files, and then join the normal punks for molotov-throwing for good measure. That kind of thing.

>>46230

it's part of modern culture to make your interests part of your core identity.

the ideas of cyberpunk tend to be critical about sociological and personal identity matters, but it still is a kind of subculture itself. So it is no exception there, and many people interested in cyberpunk internalize it and also make it part of their personality.

>>52512

Why is the etherium community a living cyberpunk experiment?

>>46205

Hackerspaces and Linux User Groups are probably a solid bet at running with some 水 as xnetters.

>>47146

Love the name of the Hackenspace