/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

>>44207

If this is about supposed WWIII - not going to happen. Syria happened because 1) Putin wanted cool kids to accept him after Ukraine and got carried away 2) His dumb jingoistic policies and corrupt friends have finally fucked the Russian economy, so he needs a small victorious war as a justification. Turns out the West cares less for Syrians than for Ukrainians, so that's what he does.

If this is about presidential election - US has had a president that lost two wars, plunged the country into the greatest economic crisis since 1930s and, by the way, ignored intelligence on Al Qaeda because of his stupid obsession with Saddam. US is still around.

If this is about the cultural crisis, social justice, refugees etc - that's the way culture works. The good thing is that it changes constantly and frequently.

I'm not trying to say that things are *fine*. They are fucked up, more so than they were somewhat recently, but there is little reason to proclaim inevitable doom.

We live in a time of change. In our lifetime we will see climate change displacing coastal populations, asteroid mining, special-purpose AI renaissance, biohacking, commonplace VR, enormous urban agglomerations and more than one geopolitical shakeup. I don't think it will be an entirely pleasurable experience. But, overall, I think it will be fun.

>>44207

If this is about supposed WWIII - not going to happen. Syria happened because 1) Putin wanted cool kids to accept him after Ukraine and got carried away 2) His dumb jingoistic policies and corrupt friends have finally fucked the Russian economy, so he needs a small victorious war as a justification. Turns out the West cares less for Syrians than for Ukrainians, so that's what he does.

If this is about presidential election - US has had a president that lost two wars, plunged the country into the greatest economic crisis since 1930s and, by the way, ignored intelligence on Al Qaeda because of his stupid obsession with Saddam. US is still around.

If this is about the cultural crisis, social justice, refugees etc - that's the way culture works. The good thing is that it changes constantly and frequently.

I'm not trying to say that things are *fine*. They are fucked up, more so than they were somewhat recently, but there is little reason to proclaim inevitable doom.

We live in a time of change. In our lifetime we will see climate change displacing coastal populations, asteroid mining, special-purpose AI renaissance, biohacking, commonplace VR, enormous urban agglomerations and more than one geopolitical shakeup. I don't think it will be an entirely pleasurable experience. But, overall, I think it will be fun.

>>44308

Actually, I don't know from where you do take your analysis about Putine, or even from the entire situation (Putine have destroyed the Russian economy? For fucking real? Do you even know in what shit have been russia after the USSR collapse? Do you even know what is the Russian debt compared to the USA? Do you even know about the USA-EU sanction? This statement just doesn't make sence), but the third world war already started. And it does not comes from my own analysis, but from every serious analyst. Not from your BBC.

When did it started? When the USA decided to not let go Syria. To not accept their defeat there. Losing Syria would mean losing their entire presence into the middle east, and so putting Israel in high risks.

Do you even know why Ukraine have been taken by the american empire (USA + its european colony)? Why Syria?

It's to cut off the new silk road, organised from China and Russia.

Ukraine and Syria are the two main country on which this road go through to connect the entire Eurasia.

Never ever the USA would allow that to happen. Because they want to take eurasia themselfs (TAFTA and CETA are project to create a trans-atlantic pure free trade zone). Allowing the Russio-chinese complex to take the entire eurasia would signify the end of the USA.

Moreover, on an economical perspective, the world economy is in a monstruous mess. The next economical crysis will blow up so hard that the entire economical model will blow up to (just get to know the Derivative bubble). In the same time, China is building an entire decentralise economical system replacing the SWIFT system. They have reintroduced the gold standard for the yuan. They start to replace every dollars exchange with yuan exchange.

USA is losing everywhere, on every field. The world war three would not have been declared if the USA would have accepted their defeat. But they certainly will never do so.

I could continue and quote all my sources, but that would be very very long. They is sooo much to tell (the anaconda NATO operation, the whole NATO moving near Russia, exeptional big evacuation exercice conducted by Russia, the USA election crysis, the cyberattacks, the whole diplomatic exchange between USA and Russia, the whole mess in the chinese controled see, the phillipine realignement, the migrants crysis, the arm race operating since a fews years, all the military exercice since a fews years etc..), but I'm not gonna loss my time for a work that any citizen should do.

If you cannot see, then go blind.

My faith in Deus will keep me safe from harm.

>>44314

> the Ukraine affair caused rouble to plummet with respect to dollar and euro, and we import most of the stuff with oil money

So it have absolutly nothing to do with the sanction and the economical warfare going on between Russian and the USA?

When we all saw european producers just trashing product because of the sanction… and going bankrupt.

At the end, you're criticizing the state of the Russian economy, without mentionning any of the sanction against Russia, and without mentionning the Russian debt.

How much is the Russian debt? O yes, 15,11% of your GDP. You're in such a shit… When you look at the other power who have more than 100% of debt / GDP.

http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/russia

> The 'silk road' is an absolute bullshit, because it requires China to actually trust Russia

Well, it's just your opinion, but not what actually happen. And I don't understand the "trust" thing. How could any country trust any other country since these country have all differents interest?

China and Russia are ofc not trusting each other, as normal coutries does. It's just an alliance of circumstances against the USA. The silk road is just a word to talk about the wants of domination of the entire eurasian continent by Russia/China (don't know who's gonna rules other the other, maybe china).

> I take it you refer to the second Ukrainian revolution.

Are you even Russian? You just look like a butthurt ukrainian. How could you even support the current fasle government in Ukraine since they are just nazi supported by fuckers like Soros?

Ukraine is vital to Russia for two reasons: the pipeline going to europe are going massively through Ukraine, and the Dombass harbour is a very important military asset since it gives weight to Russia in the black sea. That's why right now, NATO is trying to build a new fleet to balance the Russian military power in the black sea.

> Oh, and a 'decentralized' economy? China does not do 'decentralized'. Read up on it

You're right, I didn't explain well. What I was reffering to is decentralization in regards of the current structure. It's an evidence that China only wants to conquer the economical world upon the same system.

To conclude, ofc Russia and China, as every country in the world are corrupted. Highly corrupt. One simple example to give is Putine being a guest of the City of London, the opening of the pit of hell on thie earth (figurative). He's moreover a mason.

It's the same with China: I can't even think about all this worker working for shit making fucking dildos. Not mentionning the monstruous working condition (being attached to their work place with schackles… I even heard that worker have been burned alife because their factory took fire and they were attached).

The ennemy of my ennemy is not my friend. For sure. But all I'm pointing out if that the current Russia/China power is now strong enough to compete with another monster called the USA. That's why the world war 3 have already begun first economically, and now militarily in Syria. It's just the moment when their interest are entering in collision.

>>44317

We are not talking about the end of the world. We are talking about the final war before the final establishment of the pure capitalist liberalist mondialist dream. In fact, it's just the closing of the two first world war (even if the whole USA war in the middle east can be considered another world war).

The end of the world, it's after the death of this new world order. So as you can see, we're not even close.

>>44316

There is no economical warfare - we simply don't have firepower to hurt US or EU. There is, however, a growing economical isolation and that hurts, a lot.

As for the debt - that's hardly the only characteristic of a healthy economy. The truth is, stuff (including medicaments and food) is getting more expensive, pay does not grow and jobs disappear. You don't have to believe me. 'We are in a severe financial crisis' has been the official position of our government for more than a year. Such statements are usually followed by 'but we have just passed the worst part' and 'we need to grab more brouzouf from your retirement funds'.

>When we all saw european producers just trashing product because of the sanction… and going bankrupt.

You, uh, you don't really watch RT, do you?

>How could you even support the current fasle government in Ukraine since they are just nazi supported by fuckers like Soros?

Oh fuck, you do watch RT.

OK, this is my last post for you, so let's just iterate over things:

1. There is no harbor in 'Dombass'. The Black Sea fleet is stationed in the city of Sevastopol on the Crimean peninsula; Donbass is a territory in Eastern Ukraine. That said, our navy (except the subs) has been a laughingstock since XIX century. It's enough to intimidate Georgia or Ukraine, but does not come close to the naval potential of NATO. Sevastopol is not important because it allows us to project naval power, but because it's waters do not freeze over when winter comes.

2. Current Ukrainian government is a combination of idiots, populists, charlatans, and a couple of decent people - but that's just how democracy works. While the nazis are present (withing the 'idiots' category), their representation in the government is miniscule and their popular support is virtually non-existent. That's why they do everything to look bigger than they are, and our government (that includes RT) do everything they can to help them.

3. When I was in primary school, we had textbooks that were provided by the Soros Foundation. They taught us the unholy art of basic arithmetic and subliminally injected the notion that math can be fun. They broke my life. Fuck you, George Soros and all of your lizard friends.

4. Last thing. I understand and respect the drive to reject propaganda and bias and get to the truth of things. Here, propaganda is centralized (chiefs of mainstream media corps hold regular meetings with a specially designated pres. admin. official to set the agenda) and way more blunt and intensive, so you'll go crazy if you simply believe stuff the media tells you. Many people have - and then they volunteered to fight 'nazis' in Eastern Ukraine.

But you can't simply invert what they are feeding you and immediately get the truth. There are people like that among Putin's opposition. They'll tell you that the terrorist attacks are happening on Putin's orders. That Snowden is a Russian spy and NSA are unsung heroes. That CNN is a pinnacle of brilliant, objective journalism. That US and Europe will never mean us any harm. They are, mostly, nice people that will do everything in their power to help you out if you are in trouble. They are also a bunch of fucking idiots. Don't be a fucking idiot.

>>44326

> There is no economical warfare - we simply don't have firepower to hurt US or EU.

Do you even know about economics? How china possesses a massive amount of dollars? How its economy is exploding, and how, as I precised 2 times (you didn't red me I guess), they were building a new economical system in marge of the SWIFT system? Do you even realise what reintroducing a gold standard mean? What buying the whole world gold means? What trying to create a new gold fix? Do you even realise what does represent gold for an economy? I'll be short: gold is trust.

> There is, however, a growing economical isolation and that hurts, a lot.

Due to… Maybe… american SANCTION? and because of the stagnation of the global capitalism ofc, like every other country in the world.

And by the artificial lowering of the oil in the economical warfare against your country, and other country against the USA like Algeria or Iran.

> The truth is, stuff (including medicaments and food) is getting more expensive, pay does not grow and jobs disappear. You don't have to believe me. 'We are in a severe financial crisis' has been the official position of our government for more than a year. Such statements are usually followed by 'but we have just passed the worst part' and 'we need to grab more brouzouf from your retirement funds'.

Do you even understand that the whole world is in this mess? That the massive growth of China is absolutly not being given to the real people (as I said in my precedent post)? The state of your economy have nothing to with with your living condition. You personnal economical situation can be really bad (as it is in europe now), but the country can be just well. Your country, Russia, have bought a big amount of gold. It's debt (and it's the biggest factor) is very low. To compare it to my country, even if our life condition is better that Russia, the debt is just exploding making us slave of the bankers, and that's make us being near total bankrupcy (as greece was, and as Italia is right now, and Spain/France in be in a very close futur), and all of our gold have been sold. When the final collapse of the economy is gonna happen, my country will by as shitty as any other african enslaved country. Moreover, the USA have not gold too. Fort Knox is empty.

> When we all saw european producers just trashing product because of the sanction… and going bankrupt.

First, yes, I'm watching RT (not for Russia, but for american related news) and then, no, it's a personnal statement from my own country (local news). Don't make such silly judgment. A lot of company in my country have gone bankrupted because of the sanction, as Israel, how most surprisly, the USA itself ehnance its exchange with Russia. At the end, and this is my own conclusion, the sanction have just been done to make europe loses its exchanges with Russia, for the profit of USA and Israel. Europe anyway are the one fucked in every situation possible (since we are just USA colony, it's normal that they would reallocate our wealth to themselfs to maintain their economy, as long as they still can before the crash).

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> textbooks that were provided by the Soros Foundation.

Do you even know who the fuck George Soros is? How he is with his foundation at the heart of all of the false "revolution" in the east? In the arabic springs? But I cannot, and will not search for you. And I don't know what you try to insult me with your lizard shit.

> It's enough to intimidate Georgia or Ukraine, but does not come close to the naval potential of NATO.

What is your source?

Because this is my source (just the two first link from a simple google research):

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/romania-calls-for-permanent-nato-black-sea-force-02-01-2016-1

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/bulgaria-refuses-to-join-nato-black-sea-fleet-against-russia/

You don't even understand the geopolitical importance of the black sea. To be short, Israel is right under it.

> Here, propaganda is centralized (chiefs of mainstream media corps hold regular meetings with a specially designated pres. admin. official to set the agenda)

Like here. Like in the whole world. Do you think it's a secret? Actually, in my country, 80% of the common people don't trust mainstream media. So it's absolutly not a news.

To conclude, did you even red my conclusion where I said that "ennemy of my ennemy is not my friend"? Where I said that the whole world in corrupted? When I said that Putine was a mason and a guest of the City of London? The only mistake I made, I can grant that, is about Ukraine. You're right by saying that Russia is as monstruous in the fight that the nazi funded by Soros with the help of NATO. I'm just saying that this Ukrainian false revolution have been engaged by the USA. So, the USA are responsable. I'm not saying that Russia is white at all.

Btw, the whole politician system is corrupted in my country, as in the whole world. I can't even understand how it's not the case in Russia.

Moreover, I know that there is more and more people supporting Russia in Europe and in USA. Don't be a fool: if these people actually support Russia, it's because of the massive hate against the whole genocide and monstruosity done by USA and Israel. It's like chosing between the black plague and cancer. At least with cancer, you still can live for some years.

It's the last time that I answer with responde of this magnitude. Anyone with a brain could be simply reading my old post understanding while we are at the verge of an imminent collapse. The center of it will definitivly europe (it's maybe not where the firestarter is gonna be ignited, but it's definitivly not the place to be in such a situation). We're just gonna live what you lived in 1991, when the USA finally destroyed your country, but with civil war added to it. Fun time in perspective as you said.

>>44529

If OP wanted me to care about his prophecy of disaster, he would need to be much more specific.

What, exactly, is going to end?

Civilization?

Human Life?

The Ecosystem?

HOW is it going to end?

Nuke war?

Ebola virus?

Mass starvation caused by Internet failure?

Give me a specific disaster that you're worried about.

>>44330

>>44326

You are wrong and delusional to completely ignore economic warfare/espionage between those two countries.

>>44210

I can think of a few reasons

Hie, I'm OP, two years later. Funny thing that this thread have survived.

First of all, I'm obviously a very different person than back then.

But the only thing that I would remove from the original post, is the time.

I was actually incredibly worried at the time, because it was, if I remember well, the period in the Syrian war where the USA and its controlled mercenaries like Al-Nosra (now Fatah Al-Cham) and Daesh where actually losing to the russian. So a lot of internationl observer were awaiting for a huge american answer to the russian support of Assad, that did not happened. In fact, and it's acted, this period was actually worste than the Cuba missiles crysis of 1961. We were far closer to the mutual destruction (even through Nuclear missiles are exagerated, a nuclear war will not mean the end of civilisation).

Where are we now? The situation is still real. We are still on the verge of collapse. The world economy is at the verge of collapse, the euros currency, the european union, the NATO-Russia ICMB/anti-missile patriot/THAAD chessboard, Syrian war, Ukrainian war, North korea, more and more chaos in europe that could explode in a huge civil war, current USA stat, novichock crysis in GB etc.. etc…

Now, when, and why.

For the when, it's simple, it's when the high financial places, and so the real masters of the world will decide when it's time. Since they're controlling the market through the central bank, and the Bank for International Settlements, they actually chose when it's gonna crash. An exemple of that control would be the gold market, which is totaly controlled. They artificially keep gold rate as low as possible to conserve trust on the market. But there is China, and its own gold market, and the yuan backed by gold, so things are going bad.

Why, it's to bring a global world change. The goal of this will be the destruction of nation stats, and the apparition of european union/african union etc.. like continental power that would rule on regionalised, federalised continent. It's basicall like in 1984. We could talk about world population reduction, destruction of races/cultures through total unification into an unique race, world government centered on jerusalem etc… There is big changes of how the eoconomy will be in this future too. The wage system will disapear for a communist like kind of job management. Moreover, there'll be no more paper money, to destroy anonymity definitively. That's why EVERY central bank and regular bank are planning on launching their own crypto.

Obviously, everything is being imposed through little steps. Just look at how the european union have been created. It tooks tenth of years to remove every power from european union countries, and to push regionalisation now.

It's gonna happen anyway. After, it's a matter of method, of time, of orders etc…

So saying that it'll happen at this precise time, with this precise chain of events is simply not possible, for the simple reason is that they themselves have like 10 differents roads prepared, and they'll take the appropriate one according to the circonstances. So you can't say for sure that a particular event will occur, only that it's highly probable.

The collapse will just be the end of a system, to impose an even worste one. A shit tone of people are gonna die, but not everyone. It's just the next stage. I mean, that's the continuation of the two world war, and the globalist agenda, with bigger missiles. It'll not be the end of the world.

I'm not adding that much about what you can read everywhere. People will know where it will happen. It's highly probable that it'll be like before world war 1, that the geopolitical area will be so much sapped that this Armageddon will actually appear as "it had to happen" to the common people. We are more of less at this point. Since two years, everything have confirmed it.

OP, everything's gonna be worse each day. Get rid of this desire to be a hero.

Just get comfy, live your life as better as possible by given value to important things as your family, your future, the meaning that you atribuited to your life, etc, etc.

Just a little few things are worthy on your fight and your time. Avoid trivial things and life goes on.

I'm sorry OP but I've reality created meatspace into being a mundane place where I can browse cyberspace in peace until my current meat temple perishes. The (((NWO))) path is not going to happen in this layer during my stay.

_Love_