>>3733

Lurker here.

Basically men ans women are significantly different from each other.

The man has been evolved to dominant while the woman is not, a woman is naturally submissive and obedient towards an alpha male, and if the man in a relationship cucks himself, he no longer shows he is an alpha, thus it often leads to the woman leaving the man for the alpha male.

A man can still love his woman even if he has sex with others, there is always still this one woman.

For almost every woman, sex is an emotional experience, that's why promiscuity on the woman's side can often no longer keep a relationship, this is also why the woman leaves her man if the man is the cuckold, for she feels more of an emotional bond with the bull, no matter how the emotional bond with the cuck is.

While the man does not see sex as an emotional experience, they see it as a means to dominate and further their lineage, the man bonds with his significant other not through sex, but through experience with the woman, trust in the woman, teamwork, and the man bonds with the woman because he can also relate the most with the woman.

With such a bond, and the understanding of the cuckquean, the man will always love his significant other no matter what woman stands between them.

I think that is the gist of it.

>>3736

It's not even necessarily an issue of being dominant. I've known complete betas husbands that were into threesomes with girls and their women wore the pants in the relationship. It's just that a male cuck doesn't deserve and is not getting respect from anyone. You will only find militant feminists in "devoted" open relationships with cuckholds that of course only see males as objects of convenience..

So by 'better', you just mean that it's more likely to work long-term, then? I'm not one to go judging other people's fetishes, even if it's something I'd never do, unless it includes legitimately harming people or adopting weird philosophies to go with it.

Bear in mind that all our evidence that this is the case is purely anecdotal. And cuckqueaning is even more of niche fetish than cuckolding. And being that cuckolding is more common, you're more likely to see the worst of it float to the surface, since there's going to be numerically more bad experiences even if the amount was roughly proportional to those in cuckqueaning. So I'd take it all with a grain of salt.

That being said, assuming the anecdotal evidence we have represents an accurate sample of reality, it's not that surprising. As has been discussed in another topic, polygyny has been the standard for most of humanity's existence. Monogamy only really started to get traction with the rise of civilization. This is how most primate's function. So it's certainly arguable that an arrangement with one man and multiple women is still rather natural for us.

Polyandry has almost never existed in humans, and for good reason. In terms of evolution, one woman with multiple male partners does not present any net benefits. A human woman can only be pregnant from one man at a time, making extra partners redundant. Women cannot do quantity with their reproduction, so they must strive for quality. Either she judges a man good enough to be her partner or she doesn't. If she judges a second man inferior the first, then he's just dead weight - why would she want him to impregnate her when she's able when she already has a better man available?

Men, on the other hand, do not have this dilemma. Having another woman, even if he judges her a less fit partner than the first, does not really pose any problems. Impregnating a less ideal partner does not impact his ability to impregnate a more ideal one. Assuming his social situation allows it, having multiple women has no real disadvantages.

When we apply this knowledge to cuckolding, it's not a great shock that when the fetish centers around the man being inferior, the woman may begin to lose interest in him. A man who doesn't stand up for himself and his own self-interests is not that appealing. The whole fetish is arguing that he's not good enough, so unless the woman is genuinely into the fetish herself, I doubt she's going to like what he becomes.

Cuckqueaning, however, does not make the woman into something that the man finds unappealing. If anything, she becomes more appealing, even if she is into being seen as inferior. A woman who lets her man fuck other women? She would have to have some *serious* dysfunction to make most men want to leave her. Even if he does think she is inferior in a sexual capacity, there still is no real downside to keeping her around if she's a loyal and loving partner.

>>3742

>Polyandry has almost never existed in humans, and for good reason. In terms of evolution, one woman with multiple male partners does not present any net benefits. A human woman can only be pregnant from one man at a time, making extra partners redundant.

To play devil's advocate, one woman with multiple partners may select for sperm fitness. From what I understand, human sperm has pretty advanced competitive capabilities that seem to be directly related to killing or blocking sperm from other men, even to the point that different sperm cells will display "roles", with only some being "swimmers" that strike out straight for the ovum and the rest playing interference.

But this selective advantage seems marginal at best when scaled to polyandry and IMO doesn't make up for taking multiple men out of the breeding pool. Human women (and most mammals plus some birds) can pursue a mixed reproductive strategy anyway, meaning that they can mate with multiple males provided they have a good chance of still getting child rearing resources from at least one. This is a great deal for the woman's genes - they always go into her offspring and if they happen to get combined with those of a more desirable male than her normal mate, those children are at a selective advantage so the various mixed-strategy-encouraging genes are more likely to survive.

This situation forces an arms race among males, both in reproductive behaviour (get dat sperm into as many females as possible so your odds are better) and competition (make sure your females don't get touched so your odds are better).

Boiling everything down to biology can be dangerous because biology's complex enough that you can project a lot onto it, and my explanation leaves out a ton of factors, but the fundamental many-women-one-man competition arrangement does seem to be a pretty powerful selection system.

That might have changed with the rise of civilisation, but only a period long enough on the evolutionary time scale will tell.

>>3742

> I'm not one to go judging other people's fetishes

>not judging cuckolds

>not judging the lowest of the low mammalian evolution has to provide for the last 200 million years

>>3742

>cuckolding is more common

Actually it's just more common in (((professional pornography))).

IRL there are way more females being okay or even secretly turned on by their husband scoring on other girls than men not going homicidal at the prospect of their woman looking at another man the wrong way,

or at least that's the case outside cucksheds like California, Sweden and England.

>>3743

Interesting thoughts! I think that most of the time the social factors would usually outweigh the benefits of multiple sets of sperm competing. Especially considering that for the sperm to be in real competition, she would have to have sex with multiple different men in a fairly short amount of time.

The thing is, pursuing multiple partners like that does take a big risk in potentially alienating a father figure. If a man thinks the child isn't his, then he's of course far less likely to stick around. I'm not sure how often humans have actively practiced infanticide in cases of children from another father (like, say, lions do), but that wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, either.

Passing on genes is only part of what determines evolutionary viability. If those children don't make it to breeding age to pass their own genes on, it doesn't mean anything. And few things will drastically improve a child's chances than having their father in their life.

I do question why one would want one man's genes in your children, but not want him as a mate. If he's not worth staying with, why would he be worth mating with? Just sort of thinking aloud here.

Obviously humans are in a unique position of having a great deal of choice that comes with self-awareness, so no particular behavior is ever absolute. Clearly, some women do practice that kind of behavior, just as we have many examples of behavior that seems to contradict our nature. But it is a risky sort of behavior that necessitates secrecy. It's not like how at one time polygyny was out in the open as a standard social structure.

>>3744

Did someone strike a chord?

>>3745

There is a difference between behavioral trends and full blown fetishes. It wouldn't surprise me if more women have thoughts along those lines, but that doesn't necessarily equate to full on cuckqueaning. As far as people acting out the actual fetish, it seems like cuckolding is a bigger thing. It's hard to tell since these things aren't generally discussed so openly.

Also, I have no idea what the triple parentheses are supposed to mean.

>>3748

>I do question why one would want one man's genes in your children, but not want him as a mate. If he's not worth staying with, why would he be worth mating with? Just sort of thinking aloud here.

It's pretty simple. Consider two imaginary men, Adam and Bob. Consider Bob's spouse, Becky.

Adam displays traits that would make for excellent survivability - he is physically fit, socially dominant, sexually potent and commands a good stock of resources. He has many acknowledged children and a couple of wives. He is also aggressive and not so great with his children.

Bob also displays good traits, but nowhere near as much as Adam. He has a decent stock of resources, but less so than Adam. He is very good with children and a devoted spouse.

From the "perspective" of Becky's genes, Adam would make better offspring. But he is not such a great deal when it comes to those children thriving because his resources are spread thinly among existing (and future) children and there's a higher chance of him abandoning or mishandling the rearing of those children.

Bob on the other hand offers a better chance of those offspring surviving and will put more total resources per child towards those offspring, plus a lower chance of abandonment/mishandling.

Let's also throw in that Becky is attractive (in the evolutionary sense) enough to be Bob's spouse, but not Adam's.

Run the numbers from the perspective of Becky's genes. If she can have Adam's baby (better raw material) but have Bob treat it as his own (better chance of survival) then they get the best of both worlds.

In chemical terms, there would be a number of tricks Becky's genes could use to induce this behaviour when they express in a female. A few might be:

- Becky would feel much more open to sex with men other than her spouse around ovulation.

- Around ovulation, Becky might find her body more attracted to Adam-type characteristics (raw material) over Bob-type (good spouse).

- Becky's body might work to conceal the fact that it's ovulating - even from her - so that her spouse can't know and thus increase vigilance/increase mating attempts.

- Becky might find herself very, very horny and more attracted to her spouse shortly after sex with another man. Bonus points if she could squirt pheromones on overdrive to make her spouse horny too. (This would have two benefits: First, the sperm would compete, selecting for sperm fitness. Second, it conceals paternity because the spouse has reason to believe the child is his if Becky falls pregnant.)

Coincidentally, these characteristics are… pretty much exactly what we observe when we study women's sexual preferences and behaviours.

On the other side, Bob's genes will want to guard against this happening when they express in a male, or at the very least reduce the odds. For example:

- He may always seek to get his sperm into his mate when she's ovulating. But if that's being hidden, he can't know unless Becky's body signals it to him in some indirect way.

- He may seek to get his sperm into Becky if his body suspects she's been with another man. This might manifest as a heightened sex drive.

Coincidentally, it's this second physical response (increased sex drive) that cuckolding taps into. The man's horny because his body knows his spouse has been with another man (note particularly the emphasis on creampies in cuck culture) and the woman's horny towards her spouse because her body's seeking to get sperm competition happening and conceal paternity. The brains involved experience this as a fetish response, but the raw sexual energy is very much a survival strategy.

So perhaps one difference between cuckolding and cuckqueaning is that they draw from different sources: Cuckqueaning draws from one's mate being attractive to other women and powerful enough to follow through on it, while cuckolding draws from a reproductive deception/defence reflex.

>>3749

The thing is if that were the case, would men like Bob not decrease in number? And all signs point to men like Bob becoming more common than men like Adam, as time goes on.

A man can be potent and breed all he wants, but that doesn't ensure much if he's a deadbeat dad and his children don't survive to adulthood.

I would argue that the genes of both continue to exist not so much because she would actively choose a separate mate and partner, so much as that she's a sort of 'second hand wife', so to speak. You see this with single mothers a lot. A man may take responsibility for a woman's previous children along with her if he sees her as an adequate partner and can reasonably do so.

>>3750

Thing about the cheating strategy is that it's something only done from time to time within a population and it specifically produces deniability for everyone involved. Mostly, the Bobs of the world did get successful conceptions with their Beckies. Only from time to time would a false paternity occur, but as any trader will tell you, a small edge across a huge population for a long time counts for a lot.

The cheating strategy and its countermeasures are something that's implemented under the surface of conscious thought, too. Remember that understanding the link between sex and babies is something that even earlier stages of civilisation weren't so great at. It's a memetic factor - genes can only implement their algorithms at lower, more chemical levels.

Also, my Adam and Bob were very simplified examples (literally A and B). Every man has a mixture of characteristics that give individual competitive survivability and collective nurture that he manifests different amounts of from ability, habit and circumstance, which different women select for different mixtures of at different times.

Selecting out all the Bobs is a pretty bad move, as you point out, as is selecting out all the Adams. The nasty trick of the cheating strategy is that it keeps those two balances of male characteristics constantly mixing. Successfully being able to pull it off is a selection advantage for females. Also, horrendous as it sounds, having some men that can be duped (in a really limited fashion) by it might be a population-level advantage because it promotes social stability in small groups - especially advantageous for inter-human tribe-level competition.

>>3750

Oh, one more thing I forgot to address.

>all signs point to men like Bob becoming more common than men like Adam, as time goes on.

This supports the idea that civilisation is changing the evolutionary goalposts. But also, we're not purely defined by our base impulses - that's our DNA implementing whatever accidental algorithm that has happened to work for it. (Evolution randomly walks the solution space, which is why it often yields bizarre sub-optimisations, right?)

Civilisation is a group of memes that subvert individuals into sometimes working against their own reproductive self-interest (e.g. young men going off to war, regardless of whether it's with spears or rifles) in return for a huge boost to the population's competitiveness. They partially also live and die in the long term based on what works for a population and what doesn't, but because memes can spread independent of a host, they can adapt on their own into parasitic or virus-like patterns.

Possibly what we're seeing here are the effects of a complex of memes that are detrimental to reproductive fitness without a correspondingly high payoff, but which are exploiting a current vulnerability in its hosts. If that's the case, they'll go the same way as any parasite that can't keep its hosts alive long enough to spread and can't adapt accordingly. But it'll take a lot of time for that to sort itself out on account of the "can spread independent of hosts" thing and the soup of other memes in the ecosystem.

>>3753

According to /pol/ the (((porn industry))) insists to produce cuckold porn at loss but I haven't found any links for the claim yet.

>>3754

Second image aside these are very uncanny and unappealing. Boob size aside why would anyone want to stick his dick inside something so trashy?

>>3756

I don't know, Anon. I gather the point of the fetish is that said dick isn't being stuck inside anything except his hand.

I'm so sorry for derailing this into /pol/ but might as well answer some stuffs before going back into the subject.

>>3754

>has an openly self-destructive flavour to it. Some of the images I've seen openly call for the viewer to manifest classic addiction behaviour like withdraw from society, skip work, break up with significant others, etc.

>in men it actually fetishises things like developing erectile dysfunction, being unable to relate to women, being unable to ejaculate during sex, etc.

Are you ready to take the redpill, anon? There's no turning back. That's grade A jew-ing right there.

>>3755

>According to /pol/ the (((porn industry))) insists to produce cuckold porn at loss but I haven't found any links for the claim yet.

Not sure what you mean with "at loss".

Porn usually goes from promoting degeneracy like homosax, tranny porn to interracial (a deeper form of degeneracy which usually involves making males from other races seem superior and white women favouring them) and then the next step is cuckolding which is already freely explored in interracial, often ties the titles and premises of the videos which tend to be "White woman cheating on husband with bbc", so the leap from interracial and cuck porn isn't nearly as big. You can actually make a thread on /pol/ and ask all the questions you'd like there, we're surprisingly friendly when it comes to teaching people shit, just say you need some urgent redpilling on porn. I wish I had more to give you but my specialty is redpilling people on muslims.

>>3755

Most porn in existence is amateur porn. Tons of porn is produced at a loss, cuckold or otherwise, not intentionally, but simply because most people who would put their money behind a porno don't have the business acumen.

>>3760

>Not sure what you mean with "at loss".

It means that it produces no monetary profit and I think we all know how (((they))) would normally react to that…

Cuckqueaning is more natural.

For not so "happy" reasons though.

Situations with less males than females and thus easier for a male to have more than one women were often after a huge wipeout in things such as a war.

So the harem "privilege" would come after losing friends, family, and about 80% of males he knew.

Survival meant that tribes who did not throw a fit in this situations replenished population much faster than those who did, and had another army ready sooner.

The ones throwing a fit couldn't replenish fighting forces, and everything would be taken by the more cuckqueanish one.

Plus females have this "if a lot of women like him, means he's good" mentality that men seem indifferent to. It's more natural and less fetishy.

Male investment in sex is.. having sex and that's it, like eating a burguer, time for something else. For a woman, can stalk her for 18 years minimum. So losing a male protector because he decided to go for a random female he won't see again most likely would be reproductive fail strategy.

Biologically speaking, a male cuckold is asking woman to have kids with other male, aka to leave him.

This thread's OP was reported for some reason but was not breaking any rules, nor has anything else in the thread broken any rules that I can see.

Please only report posts that break rules or global report posts that break global rules.

Are there any studies on cuckquean relationships and their effects?

>>5510

Judging by how obscure this fetish is despite not being frowned upon I can only assume that it's actually beneficial for White demographics since the (((porn industry))) is not catching up with it.

I don't know about scientific/pseudo scientific things about male female behaviour, but I feel very satisfied just thinking about able to love multiple girls and live with them or just one I find it very pleasing as if I am living a fulfilled life and can make love and satisfy them. Wouldn't it be wonderful, at least from a male perspective.

>>5505

Many cuckqueans and vixens don't start off lesbians or bisexual but they learn to be because the desire to please their man becomes intense. Also lots of the cuckquean porn and stories heavily push bisexuality. I don't have a problem with that though.

>>5530

I saw a site called vixen.com and was pretty disappointed to see it had nothing to do with cuckequean at all.

>>5535

>vixen.com

Actually, they film top-tier FMF scenes that have a pretty soft compersive cuckquean vibe.

>>5550

Maybe I need to think more positively.

>>5530

Just curious, why do you think it's beneficial for white demographics? Because there might be a strong white father figure with lots of children?

>>5627

That is a cosy picture, thank you. Everything is OK.

>>3736

Simply put, men can differentiate between sex and making love. They are able to dissociate the emotional aspect while enjoying the act itself, women cannot, and this is why promiscuity in women is different than promiscuity in men.

>>3760

>my specialty is redpilling people on muslims.

damn, thats the most retarded sentence i've ever heard. I don't like muslims, but the fact that its your specialty to redpill is so fucking autistic.

>>5854

heard/read*