/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>7826

I agree.

>>7828

"wait so you want eat corn syrup, titanium dioxide, tbhq, pgpr, and yellow 5?"

haha no.

>>7836

don't move the goalposts you shitface. would you or would you not eat what amounts to vinegar salt just because it has a scary name? does xanthan gum scare you? stop eating cabbage, it's full of the stuff. yes, some additives like tbhq are terrible for you but you're an absolute retard if you write off any ingredient that sounds "chemically'

>>7837

I'm not scared of eating vinegar or salt so long as its vinegar or salt that I like, but they go to great efforts to confuse the public with strange names so retards like you will shit on everyone for avoiding things that don't appear trustworth.

they count on it that the very unhealthy things will be disguised by cleverly named normal things, if what your vinegar salt even is, is even normal. I don't trust you, but you're just a shill.

you can take your corn syrup and make like a bill cosby and go zoopity zip zop and the puddin pop

>>7841

yeah okay, i'm the retard. l2chemistry, l2nutrition.

>>7841

>they go to great efforts to confuse the public with strange names so retards like you will shit on everyone for avoiding things that don't appear trustworth.

Jesus christ, just pick a fucking chemistry book you moron.

>>7859

I doubt anyone here will defend corn syrup or shit like that. The problem is not learning simple chemistry terms and then not being able to read 3-syllable words or technical terms without shitting your pants out of fear.

You do know that the same thing can have different names, right?

>>7859

you posted a picture of pancake syrup, arguably the most artificial product ever produced. stop being a retard and thinking that we're advocating for the addition of sarin gas particles into your organic seitan that you shove up your ass in order to preserve your tongue for cocks. you even quoted my post where i validate concern over chemical additives.

>yes, some additives like TBHQ are terrible for you

THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING WITH A "CHEMICAL" NAME IS POISON. quit trying to get people on your retarded bandwagon with your grandstanding "we're right, we eat real food, the BIG MAN and all his JEW SHILLS are trying to hurt our feelies"

>>7861

This

Muh "organic non-GMO cold-pressed" foodie alarmist hipsters need to gtfo.

>>7866

As the guy who started this debate with >>7819 I feel like I should clarify….

I'm not anti-gmo, nor do I believe "cold-pressed" actually means anything.

However, I do support organic farming and having only real ingredients in my food products for several reasons:

1. It tastes 10x better. Real 18-30% sour cream with 5 ingredients (max) tastes much better than the lower fat 14% "standard" sour creams that contain thickening agents and sugars to compensate for its lack of thickness and flavour.

2. It just feels… more natural. I don't care so much whether or not it's healthier, but there is definitely a feeling I get that's hard to describe when consuming food without weird stuff in it. When I eat stuff with all those weird ingredients, without even reading the label, I can just tell there's something… off about it.

3. It inspires me to make stuff from scratch. Hummus for instance; the moment I found out there was canola oil in my hummus (which I'm allergic to, so I always got digestive issues every time I ate it) I decided it was time to start making my own. Now, my homemade hummus recipe tastes a million times better than the stuff I got from the store. I've done the same thing with tzatziki, baba ganoush, even potato chips. I do nearly everything that I need to from scratch now, and I love it! ＼(^ω^＼)

>>7871

>＼(^ω^＼)

Please stop.

>>7875

>implying he will

>>7819

"Guar gum is a fiber from the seed of the guar plant." Shit is natural as my ass.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-919-guar%20gum.aspx?activeingredientid=919&activeingredientname=guar%20gum

>>7860

>>7861

>don't like shit ingredients in my food like corn syrup

>shills turn it into a "YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THIS CHEMICAL MEANS BECAUSE ADVANCED CHEMICAL NAME SO YOU ARE PROBABLY FREAKING OUT RIGHT SEE I TOLD YOU THEY ARE FREAKING OUT BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW WHAT CHEMICALS MEAN WOW!!!!"

you are the ones who freaked out, I'm going to eat organic even harder now just to get back at you.

you can take your corn syup and marry it.

>>7880

I never said I didn't like guar gum.

>>7819

to be fair your post was incredibly awfully thought out and made you look stupid, caused everyone (shills/idiots) to make the assumption that people that dislike low quality food ingredients must be morons, Or, you are a shill that wanted exactly that.

>>7819

>HUEHEUHEUEHUEH NO ADDITIVES

>I'd smoke a cigar though…

>shills

>>7871

>nor do I believe "cold-pressed" actually means anything.

you could have stopped being lazy for one moment and looked it up yourself, but cold pressed oil means that when the plant material is squeezed, they do it under minimal heat conditions.

other really shitty products squeeze the plants really hard to get more oil out but it causes pressure and friction, making the oil get fairly hot before even reaching the customer.

basically, the less temerature the oil deals with, the better.

highly refined oils sold at stores usually go through alot of processing and heating.

>uneducated stupid dumbasses shit up threads by refusing to understand what cold pressed oil is

>>7871

>3. It inspires me to make stuff from scratch. Hummus for instance; the moment I found out there was canola oil in my hummus (which I'm allergic to, so I always got digestive issues every time I ate it) I decided it was time to start making my own. Now, my homemade hummus recipe tastes a million times better than the stuff I got from the store. I've done the same thing with tzatziki, baba ganoush, even potato chips. I do nearly everything that I need to from scratch now, and I love it! ＼(^ω^＼)

I will agree with that.

>I'm not anti-gmo,

>I do support organic farming

USDA Organic doesn't allow the use of gentically modified ingredients.

I'll also say that I'm not against genetic modification technology, I'm against it being use irresponsibly. Humanity simply does not have the knowledge or skill to use genetic modification technology safely yet, so monsanto should stop using people and the entire world's natural environment as guniea pigs.

I hate monsanto.

>>7885

When I said that I don't believe cold pressed means anything, I just meant that anybody could write "cold-pressed" on a bottle of olive oil even if it wasn't.

>>7880

>Guar gum is used as a laxative.

Good to know. Now I definitely don't want to eat it!

>>7884

I've never smoked a cigar, but I wouldn't mind trying it one day?

>>7878

I'll cut down on the emoticons.

>>7882

Are you not this anon? >>7819 because that's who I replied to, and "if I see stuff like "GUAR GUM… I put it back on the shelf" sounds like this person might not like guar gum. But then you replied to >>7819 yourself. I think you linked to the wrong post.

>>7887

So I guess you're also a hard "no" on caffeine? How many other foods do you avoid because they have effects on the body when ingested in large quantities?

>>7891

Not a "hard" no, but I can only drink half a cup of coffee a day or else I could give myself a heart attack. I'm pretty small.

I don't see your point. Caffeine is a drug, which I consume knowing very well where I can find it (coffee, tea) and what effect it'll have on my body, but that doesn't mean I want caffeine in all my food products! Guar gum, xanthan gum, and all those other weird stuff though manage to find their way into nearly everything and are consumed regularly by people who either don't know or don't care.

When I eat yogurt, I eat it because I want to eat yogurt, and I could do without laxatives in my yogurt unless the yogurt is marketed specifically for those with digestive issues, and I happen to be having digestive issues that day. Actually no, I'd rather just take the damn laxatives in pill form and eat regular yogurt.

>>7892

again, I doubt that guar gum, in small quantities, will induce a laxative effect, although if you're particularly small I suppose it may. But really? A heart attack? Is it a hereditary trait/heart rate issue,or are you just worried because you're not a particularly large person.

no bully intended

>>7893

>again, I doubt that guar gum, in small quantities, will induce a laxative effect, although if you're particularly small I suppose it may.

What part of real food tastes better did you not understand?

>But really? A heart attack?

"Heart attack" was an exaggeration; my heart just starts pounding really really fast and I get really hyper then crash. It's uncomfortable but it isn't fatal or anything, but thank you for your concern.

>>7881

>you can take your corn syup and marry it.

Nobody here is shilling for corn syrup, but we are laughing at alarmist hipsters who will refuse to eat anything other than organic trend food.

>>7897

>we are laughing at alarmist hipsters who will refuse to eat anything other than organic trend food.

Let's see… every since I stopped eating crap, which was about a year ago, my acne went away, I stopped getting constipated once a week, I don't get food cravings which lead to overeating, I look younger and feel better and don't feel tired all the time anymore, and best of all, my food doesn't taste like shit.

Yeah, I think I'll stick to my alarmist hipster diet.

>>7894

I don't deny that additives like guar gum, either synthesized or organic, often have a negative effect of flavor, but I don't see anywhere in your previous post where you mentioned that. As for caffeine, that's probably a good call on your part.

>>7899

I mentioned this in a previous post >>7871

I'm almost tempted to start namefagging to avoid confusion… now that I don't use my emoticons it's impossible to tell which posts are mine. [insert sad face here]

>>7900

yeah, I didn't take part in that conversation. I suppose I could have dug through all the posts you replied to to eventually deduce which were yours, but… meh

>>7898

>every since I stopped eating crap, which was about a year ago, my acne went away, I stopped getting constipated once a week,

There's a difference between eating garbage and eating regular ordinary food. I don't shell out extra money for organic shit and I don't have acne or become constipated. You don't have to buy non-gmo food to eat healthy. This organic frenzy is largely scare tactics used by the SAME FARMERS to get you to pay more for essentially the same fucking shit. Organic eggs? Had em. There is barely any taste difference, not enough of one to pay twice as much, anyway. The yolks actually tend to be too fat and heavy and are more prone to breaking if you are making fried eggs, unless you break them very close to the pan. Organic fruits and vegetables? Still grown with fertilizer, usually a seagull guano nitrate mix. There is no discernable taste difference. Are they healthier? Who fucking cares? You're the sucker paying twice as much for the same shit. Who cares if it makes you live a few years longer? who even wants to live longer in a world like this?

>>7916

>There's a difference between eating garbage and eating regular ordinary food.

I wasn't talking about organic shit, I was talking about food products with additives. Sorry for the confusion.

>There is no discernable taste difference.

Yes, there is. The "organic" apples I get taste much sweeter than their pesticide covered counterparts. Same deal with beefsteak tomatoes; much sweeter. Garlic also has a stronger flavour. However, stuff like cucumbers, pomegranates, potatoes, bell peppers, scallions, onions, yeah… that's pretty much all the same so I just get the conventional kind.

>This organic frenzy is largely scare tactics used by the SAME FARMERS to get you to pay more for essentially the same fucking shit.

This is true for the most part, that's why I only get the stuff that actually tastes better. Eggs are a bit of an exception though: while I agree that the taste difference is minimal, I've read too many horror stories about battery eggs and the chickens they come from (eating their own feces etc) and I have unfortunately fallen victim to this particular scare tactic. Are they actually healthier? Hey, probably! I'll pay an extra dollar per carton juuuust to be safe… (I only do this with eggs though I swear)

>>7887

>When I said that I don't believe cold pressed means anything, I just meant that anybody could write "cold-pressed" on a bottle of olive oil even if it wasn't.

and go to jail for false advertising.

>Guar gum is used as a laxative.

>Good to know. Now I definitely don't want to eat it!

"Oh no! plant foods can have laxative effects! NEVER AGAIN!"

do you know that foods high in fiber can have laxative effects on the body? are you saying that you don't ever want to eat anything with fiber ever again? you could even end up in the ER with a clogged butt for eating no fiber. your doctor would probably yell at you.

>I've never smoked a cigar, but I wouldn't mind trying it one day?

if you are so against additives you should do some research on the kinds of things that are inside cigars. you might have no idea, and in that case I apologize for being so harsh. please get educated though.

>>7891

two different people.

>>7892

I can totally understand why you might want to avoid caffeine, especially if you keep finding it in alot of your foods and especially if you just happen to be one of those people who just simply doesn't handle caffeine very well. some people handle spicy food better than others so its completely understandable.

what I don't understand at all is why you are willing to be against xanthan gum and guar gum, and even more surprisingly only because of their possible laxative effects on the body (if even measurable in the small quantities that may be added to products that they are commonly found in) yet not against trying a cigar that has links to cancer.

I totally agree with you that when I buy "food A" its because I want "food A" not "food A + additive". I really despise and avoid almost all products that are dishonest about that.

I would say that so long as ingredients like guar gum, locust bean gum, and xanthan gum are organic that I would be slightly less concerned about them as ingredients- although I would want to do more research before being fully committed to any of them concerning the method by which they are processed.

I'm much more worried about ingredients such as:

>yellow 5

>magnesium stearate

>genetically modifed pesticed applicated soy that has been processed into soy lecithin

(I like organic soy lecithin however. supposedly has some nice nervous system coating effects and is a huge "fluid booster" for certain parts of the male biology, but I would eat it with maca root, ashwaganda, and broccoli to prevent its estrogen like qualities from affecting me)

>pgpr

>tbhq

>titanium dioxide

>any variant of corn syrup or "le corn sugar meme ;^)"

>highly processed white sugar

>any artificial colors

>any artificial preservatives

>any artificial sweeteners

>sorbitol

>potassium sorbate

>aspartame (look up monsanto)

>anything gmo (usually has pesticides that don't wash off)

>anything from monsanto, dupont, syngenta

>added aluminum (watch out for your baking soda)

>some people are effected by carageenan

>>7897

>Nobody here is shilling for corn syrup,

I'm very wary of the criticism against people who want to take care of their health. forgive me if my spider sense was tingling.

>but we are laughing at alarmist hipsters who will refuse to eat anything other than organic trend food.

>organic trend food

See, this is the reason why so many people scream shill. People who have a good understanding of the importance of organic food are not offended, however they fear that others will be mislead by a comment like that because they want others to know the truth and as a result eat healthier so that they don't support corporations like monsanto and their business practices. basically, the flipflip wearing hippies who only eat organic vegetables are freaking out and trying to warn everyone that there is a huge mass poisoning taking place. do your research on monsanto.

I wont say that organic food is perfect because it absolutely isn't, but if you want to avoid a metric-butt-load of additives and poison throughout your daily life, organic is the best place to start.

I would rather recommend that people just grow their own food themselves but I remember that not everyone even has a backyard of sufficient size to sustainably feed themselves.

I'm also going to say this: avoid organic food that's being marketed to the ignorant "soccor moms" who go "ohh la la gluten free hue hue, organic bullshit for sale oooh coupons!" because these people are the financial targets of corporate jackasses who only want to ride the organic bandwagon and end up giving the whole thing a bad name.

wholefoods is a huge outlet for those looking for organic food but it's also one of the many who are betraying their customers by charging so much money for products they simply should not be.

you have to be smart before you shop organic or you will run out of the store complaining that everything you saw was a scam. You would be correct, everything you SAW is a scam, however if you look closer you will realize you can actually find some food at a good price while avoiding the 10$ 2oz organic barbeque sauce bottle.

>organic rolled oats

>organi peas

are good examples of decent prices.

>>7960

>and go to jail for false advertising.

No, but after getting suspicious about my first bottle of olive oil I found out the CEO of the company that produced it got fined because it was 50% sunflower oil. He likely laughed it off and continued to produce fake olive oil.

>do you know that foods high in fiber can have laxative effects on the body? are you saying that you don't ever want to eat anything with fiber ever again? you could even end up in the ER with a clogged butt for eating no fiber. your doctor would probably yell at you.

… what?

>if you are so against additives you should do some research on the kinds of things that are inside cigars. you might have no idea, and in that case I apologize for being so harsh. please get educated though.

How often do I smoke cigars? So far never, and I'll probably only ever do it once to see what it's like. How often do I eat? Well, 3 times a day usually.

>>7979

>No, but after getting suspicious about my first bottle of olive oil I found out the CEO of the company that produced it got fined because it was 50% sunflower oil. He likely laughed it off and continued to produce fake olive oil.

that's why you should look up the "olive oil mafia"

it's actually a real thing because specifically olive oil is really easy to fake for criminals.

>How often do I smoke cigars? So far never, and I'll probably only ever do it once to see what it's like. How often do I eat? Well, 3 times a day usually.

trust me, you don't even want to do it even once even. nope nope nope.

I will save you the effort and tell you exactly what it's like if you promise you wont do it.

>>7983

don't encourage others to be bitches. cigars are okay, not my cup of tea really, but maybe i haven't had a good one yet. pipes are pretty fun, lots of variety in the flavors of tobacco even before you get to the fruit ones. the thing to remember with both cigars and pipes is you're not supposed to inhale, just swish the smoke around your palate and enjoy the taste and the nicotine that absorbs through your mouth alone.

>>7983

>trust me, you don't even want to do it even once even. nope nope nope.

>I will save you the effort and tell you exactly what it's like if you promise you wont do it.

Jesus fucking Christ are you a middle aged overprotective mother of three? Unless you're Sigmund Freud smoking a goddamn 20 cigars a day the chances of you living long enough for pipe smoking or cigars to have a detrimental effect on your health is slim.

>>7983

>you don't even want to do it even once even. nope nope nope.

They said literally the exact same thing to me about marmite, natto, octopus, and escargot… I like all of those things.

>>7988

other anon here, when I tried, and I smoked a higher quality cigar, when it wasn't burning too hot, I smelled and tasted aromas of pleasantly scented woods, hints of coffee and cocoa, and a smoothness like vanilla while not at all tasting like it. When it burned too hot, it was like acrid burning leaves. Protip, watch a guide on how to light and smoke one, and have it on a day that you're feeling in good spirits. I most certainly wouldn't recommend smoking them with any kind of regularity, and I my self wouldn't smoke more than two a year, just as much to maintain the uniqueness of the act as for health reasons.

>>2610

olive oil

peanut oil

pork lard

/thrad

>>8049

You forgot butter.

Literally the only fats I use are butter, olive oil, and animal fats. Sometimes I use coconut oil for curries but I usually use that by cooking down coconut milk.

I never understood the point of those homoerotic vegetable and nut oils nowadays.

attention! this post refers to taste only, if you want to be a healthfag do your oil pulling somewhere else

>GOD TIER

duck fat

clarified butter/ghee

coconut oil

EV olive oil

>DELICIOUS ENOUGH FOR EVERYDAY USE TIER

pork lard

beef tallow

chicken schmaltz

sunflower oil

rice bran oil

peanut oil

corn oil

>GET AWAY FROM ME TIER

canola oil

soybean oil

palm kernel oil

> WHAT ARE YOU DOING TIER

chinese gutter oil

>>5902

>lard

Are you a fucking burger or something?

>>7871

>2.

That's called placebo anon.

american fat