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6a31c2 No.11785

What are your thoughts on this faith? It came into existence in India/Nepal about 500 years before Christ based on the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha).

As I understand it, Buddhism teaches that a fundamental part of reality is change (impermanence). But people become attached to things because of our ego, our sense of self or our personality, and we make our attachments a part of who we are. Because of change, we are bound to experience loss and if we don't learn how to overcome it then we will experience suffering. Thus attachment is the root of all suffering in Buddhism. By following the eightfold path, we learn that our egos are an illusion, and we can finally begin to let go, and upon letting go of our attachments there is complete freedom as there is no longer any worry or desire because we are slaves to nothing anymore, we are Buddhas. Of course for most people it takes many lifetimes for our karma to be perfected as we are trapped in a cycle of death and birth (samsara), so we continue to move to higher or lower levels of consciousness (rebirth) until there is full enlightenment and Nirvana where we fully become one with reality (or you could become a Bodhisattva and delay Nirvana in order to help lower level beings achieve Buddhahood). That is my understanding of the religion.

Is there anything valuable we as Christians can take from this? Obviously it cannot be fully reconciled with the Christian faith but I can't help but to notice a lot of similarities with Christian spirituality.

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d87974 No.11794

>>11785

We can use it to hold ourselves to higher standards in our spiritual quest,.

I suppose the Christian equivalent to rebirth would be purgatory, assuming hell isn't eternal.

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1936a4 No.11805

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>>11785

As buddhist who learn many religion . here is my answer to your question .

what you can take from Buddhism is balance between inside and outside of human mind .christ religion give focus on the world outside

while Buddhism look inside . both have good and bad point .

Buddha NEVER said there are no god. or confirm there is god

he just said it's not importance for have happiness of mind

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ea9fc6 No.11807

>>11785

The wages of sin are death, it's not possible to meditate your way out of death without the sacrifice and salvation of Christ.

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4cfee4 No.11814

>>11785

>What are your thoughts on this faith?

According to St. Nicholas of Japan, "the Buddhism is the best among the pagan religions, Herculean pillars of the human efforts to make a religion by following the dark remnants of God-revealed truth preserved among the nations after the scattering at Babylon". It should be noted, however, that the Buddhism has many different forms because it is highly adaptable to the customs of the various nations and some forms of Buddhism are far from being "the best among the pagan religions".

>>11805

> christ religion give focus on the world outside while Buddhism look inside

It seems this is true only for the major types of Western Christianity. The Orthodox Christianity does not have outward focus. "For behold, the kingdom of God is inside of you" (Luke 17:21) and "pay attention that you do not practice you righteousness in front of the people to be seen by them" (Matthew 6:1).

There is some truth in the Buddhist theory about the cause of the suffering. Moreover, there are some similarities between the practices according the Noble Eightfold Path of Buddhism and the so called "mortification of the passions" of the Orthodox Christianity. Notice that while the word "passion" in the modern language means "strong emotion, anger, lust", originally it meant "suffering" (wherefore the expressions "passion of Christ" and "Passion Week"). This is because our passions make us suffer. While in the Western Christianity people restrain from sins in order to obey God's commandments and be justified at the Last judgment, in the Orthodox Christianity the God's commandments are like medicine prescription. While in the Western Christianity salvation means admission in the heavens, in the Orthodox Christianity salvation means healing from all suffering and becoming able to have bliss. While in the Western Christianity the suffering of the souls in the hell is punishment by God, in the Orthodox Christianity the suffering of the souls in the hell is caused by their own "defects". In all these differences between the Orthodox Christianity and the Western Christianity, the Orthodox view seems similar to the Buddhist view.

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4cfee4 No.11815

>>11805

> Buddha NEVER said there is no god or confirm there is god, he just said it's not importance for have happiness of mind

And here we come to the fundamental difference between Buddhism and all forms of Christianity. The Buddhism does the best that can be done in order to save without God the man. True salvation without God, however, is impossible. Therefore, the Buddhist path is a path leading to self-destruction. According to Buddhism any desire leads to suffering, any attraction leads to suffering, etc., therefore the Buddhism teaches us to destroy our emotions, desires, etc., to destroy absolutely anything which makes you your very self.

I am unaware of any official statement about this in the Western Christianity, but the popular theory is that some of the faculties of our soul are good and others are bad. For example the love is good and the anger is bad.

In the Orthodox Christianity all faculties of our soul are created by God and good. It is not our ability to desire, to be attracted, to hate, etc. what causes us to suffer but rather the bad state of these faculties. The men are detached from God, they are immersed in worldly matters. Therefore, we desire what we can not have, we want to do what we can not do, we hate what we can not fight. We are totally unable to transcend above the world, our state is hopelessness. Probably the best one can do in such a state is what the Buddhism proposes. This, however, is not nearly enough. Therefore, Christ, the Son of God descends and comes to us in order to give us a path leading to true salvation.

One of the pillars in the Orthodox theology is that the descent of the Son of God is not just in appearance in order to communicate some theory. The Son of God, being eternal God is born as man and actually becomes man. In Christ the human becomes linked with the divine, his human mind enlightened with divine knowledge, his human will perfectly aligned with his divine will, his human emotions in divinely perfect state. Through the union in Christ of God and man (including the death) the descent of the Holy Spirit and the union of each of us with God becomes possible. Only through such a union with God one can have desires and other emotions which do not lead to suffering.

It should be noted that in the union in the Holy Spirit with God all faculties of the soul (mind, emotions, will) obtain potential which they do not originally have. Without this new potential, a man would suffer regardless of the state of his mind, emotions, will, etc. The Orthodox Church is the community of the people who have believed in the good message about the true salvation. And just as each member of our body has its own function, so each member of the Church is given different gifts by God for his own benefit and the benefit of the whole organism of the Church. "For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits." (1 Cor. 12:8-10) Therefore, the salvation does not require the destruction of our person-hood, as in the Buddhism. The perfect union with the One God does not destroy us. "There are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone." (1 Cor. 12:4-6) God is one and indivisible, the operations of God, however, are various and different in each of us. Nevertheless, in each of these different operations of God we see the same One, simple and indivisible God. Here we see in action the famous essence/energy distinction of the Orthodox theology.

Although the union with God in the Holy Spirit is accessible not just to few chosen ones but to everyone, it is impossible to formulate in human words a proper description of this union. Our language is limited to notions based in our world and the union with God is not of this world. An outside spectator can see the life in the Spirit, for example, in a martyr who remains calm and undisturbed before his death, or in a hermit who does seemingly impossible feats and considers them nothing. Ap. Paul describes the life in the Spirit with the following words: "We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh." (2 Cor. 4:8-11)

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1936a4 No.11818

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>>11814

>>11815

great you are well educate person

Can you help save many souls from destruction at /ran21/ ? those people are suffer by racism nazi invading . /pnd/ the /pol/ incarnate who make users go do the mass shooting and kill 8chan

I spend my time there for myself and saving them .but I feel my english can't enter them . or maybe it's useless to use logos with them at the first place

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f631d3 No.11826

>>11785

Genuinely one of the worst paganisms.

The praise for detachedness means it's completely lacking in love.

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4cfee4 No.11830

>>11818

>Can you help save many souls from destruction at /ran21/?

Do I know what policy is correct? No, I don't. Do I have a haughty mind? Yes, I have a haughty mind which thinks it knows what is good and what is bad. If I go at /ran21/ I will be a blind man who doesn't realize his blindness but asks the others to follow him.

Do I have strong love for everyone? No and how can I have love for the others when I don't have love even for myself and always harm myself by sinning. If I go at /ran21/ I will love those who think like me and I will hate those who don't think like me.

>or maybe it's useless to use logos with them at the first place

Sometimes it helps to remind the people things they know but try to forget.

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