501a60 No.11048
It's been 2000 years. Where is he? Many of the early Christians thought he would come back in their lifetimes, or shortly after. But he didn't. 2000 years later there hasn't been a sound. Where is he? Why couldn't the Almighty One do it all at once? Why does there have to be two comings? Sounds like a cop out belief system. Seems like because he didn't fulfill all the prophecies of the holy Tankah, an idea of a second coming was made up by you guys to solve this problem.
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20d7af No.11050
>>11048
That's a lot of speculation, but do you actually know what the Bible says?
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cea21a No.11052
>>11048
Many early Christians thought that? Kind of stupid of them considering what Peter the Apostle wrote.
>This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
And considering your opinion that there isn't evidence for Jesus in the "TaNaKh";
Don't you remember the book of Jonah? God spares Nineveh, because he wishes them to come to repentance. God is not going to End the World until there are none left who may come unto Christ. It's like Sodom, he only destroyed the city when there were none left in it who had not rejected him.
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cea21a No.11053
>>11052
I obliterated my greentext, oh well, you get the idea.
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501a60 No.11055
>>11050
Absolutely.
Read chapter 11 of Yeshayahu ha-navi' (הנביא ישעיהו), otherwise known to gentiles as Isaiah 11. I suggest you read Rashi's commentary as well.
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cea21a No.11059
>>11055
Duuude… look at my fancy HEBREW LETTERS.
Duuude… I'm waaaaaay smarter than you Christians.
Read this commentary maaaan. I'm like, an intellectual.
I have one question for you. Does Messiah have to come from the line of David, like the "TaNaKh" says?
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501a60 No.11060
>>11052
2 Peter is considered a 2nd century work that was written pseudographically to comfort Christians who witnessed his prophecies about his own coming fail. (https://ehrmanblog.org/could-peter-have-written-1-and-2-peter-some-other-way/)
Your scriptures do attest to the widespread belief among early Christians that they actually thought he was gonna comeback within or just after their lifetimes. (Matthew 16:28, Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30, Luke 21:32, 1 Corinthians 7:29, 1 Corinthians 15:51, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, 1 Peter 4:7, 1 John 2:18, Revelation 22:7-12). Looks like your New Testament has many failed prophecies. What does the Almighty One say?
"If the prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, and the thing does not occur and does not come about, that is the thing the Lord did not speak. The prophet has spoken it wantonly; you shall not be afraid of him." (Devarim 18:22)
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cea21a No.11061
>>11060
Does Messiah have to come from the line of David?
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501a60 No.11062
>>11059
>I have no argument.
Lol
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cea21a No.11063
>>11062
You're a non-Christian, telling Christians what Christians supposedly used to think.
Does Messiah have to come from the line of David?
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501a60 No.11064
>>11061
Yes. Jesus did not. How would the authors of Matthew and Luke have access to genealogies? Only the Kohen did in that time. Besides both were written after the Tisha B'Av of 70 C.E (3830) and both genealogies contradict each other anyway. You can attempt to argue your elaborate fixes but Occam's Razor wouldn't agree with you.
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20d7af No.11065
>>11055
Where does Jesus fail to fulfill Isaiah 11?
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cea21a No.11067
>>11064
So, who do you know that comes from the line of David?
Additionally, no, not only the priests knew peoples genealogies. If I was say, Joshua son of Ahaziah, I wouldn't know who my father's father was, and so on?
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501a60 No.11068
>>11065
All of it. So far there is no peace on earth, nor is have the children of Israel been gathered together and restored.
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20d7af No.11070
>>11068
>All of it. So far there is no peace on earth, nor is have the children of Israel been gathered together and restored.
Those are eschatological
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501a60 No.11071
>>11067
He was several hundred years removed and a king. The kohen were essentially the rulers of the people and kept the genealogies specifically for them in order to continue. Most of the common people were illiterate anyway.
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501a60 No.11073
>>11070
Yes, of which your prophet did not fulfill any of them. Where does it say in that chapter that Messiah must come twice? But it talks about haolam haba. Read tractate Sanhedrin 90a-100a as it specifies further.
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cea21a No.11074
>>11071
Well, here is a question for you; whose fault is it exactly that Jews have been scattered to every country and persecuted?
Do you feel as though this is in accordance to God's promises in the "TaNaKh"?
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50b8d5 No.11077
>>11060
The church has historically consider 2 Peter to be canonical. I really could care less what some historian says. I have faith in Christ Jesus, he will come at a time which he deems best.
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501a60 No.11078
>>11074
Yes. Absolutely. If this were not the case there would be no coming Third Temple and thus no Messiah as Y'hezqel tells us about. If I remember correctly, I believe it was Rabbi Joshua ben Hananiah who was joyous over the destruction of the Temple, for it meant the Almighty was going to fulfill what he spoke through the prophets. If these things do not happen, then the prophecies in the Hebrew Bible are meaningless.
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501a60 No.11079
Christians don't seem to have good arguments. Good day then.
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20d7af No.11081
>>11073
>Where does it say in that chapter that Messiah must come twice
It doesn't, and it doesn't have to
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50b8d5 No.11083
>>11079
Because you are on a board filled with protestants who don't understand the holy scriptures.
Go to /christian/ to ask these questions
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20d7af No.11086
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3a11c3 No.11101
>>11073
>prophet
Congratulations Mohammad you got yourself caught. What's the next part of your master plan?
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17e1ee No.11123
At the right hand of the Father.
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1b158d No.11251
Keep in mind from genesis to Jesus being born was 4000 years. We may only be half way there. -.-
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178c04 No.11263
>>11073
Spotted the jew
Of the 500 or so people who claimed to see Jesus risen from the dead, the vast majoirty of them went to their bloody deaths refusing to renounce Him? People aren't willing to die for something they know is a lie, and hallunciation could only explain a few. Even then it would be debatable because people cannot share hallucinations.
>but some of them did renounce
A very small minority yes, it's more likely that they were lying to avoid punishment then that the majority were lying to receive punishment.
Many people have actually died for a lie. But no one dies for what they know is a lie. If the disciples stole the body of Jesus, then claimed he rose from the dead, they suffered and died for what they knew was a lie.
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