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>>846014

Every mainstream belief will damn you because each one rejects at least one Person of the Trinity. Atheists and cessationists reject the Holy Spirit and all supernatural phenomena. Occultists and new agers rejected God the Father because they believe the universe is eternal and was never created. Many mainstream Christians reject Jesus without even knowing it because they reject Logic. The Catholic Church always supported Logic and science. The recent meme that Christianity is opposed to science does not fit with Church history at all.

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>>845906

>>846017

I'm not meaning to start in-fighting here but its pretty bizarre to say mainstream beliefs will damn while associating with the most mainstream form of Christianity.

>>846021

You just posted that anyone who believes the popular view of cessationism is not christian

>>846025

Yeah, I'm not saying any denomination is generally saved. But some make bridges too far into apostasy such as cessationists.

>>846026

I don't think I'm following your exchange then but that is a ridiculous assertion.

I guess I have to copy in my other post

There is no way to read 1 Corinthians 13 and not believe that miraculous gifts would cease. The question is when they do cease. Cessationism is in my opinion the correct view considering the evidence. Most importantly, the biblical purpose for these gifts (authenticating the message of the Lord) has been fulfilled.

>Why is Cessationism even okay among Christians?

Because it's at the very least a reasonable view

>Not only is it the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, to attribute his miraculous works to the devil

That's not what blasphemy of the holy spirit means and I'm going to need you to present evidence of a valid work then a cessationist attributing it to the devil

>There are like 2 verses in the entirety of scripture that cessationists wrangle to say what they want them to say.

Ironically exactly what you're doing with "blasphemy of the holy spirit"

>if you don't believe in my loaded concept you aren't christian

Opinion discarded

PS for lurkers this guy is an obsessed charismatic that plagues /his/

>>846027

I'm more an obsessed anti-Calvinist. The fact that there is such a confluence between reformed types and cessationism is just the icing on the bad fruit cake.

>>846029

I would like you to present one piece of video evidence that conclusively shows a miracle gift of tongues consistent with the Biblical example

>>846021

>its pretty bizarre to say mainstream beliefs will damn while associating with the most mainstream form of Christianity.

I agree, which is why I don't deny most Catholics are modernists who are going to hell. I can't remember if he's a Saint but some long dead Catholic priest said I believe around 95% of people minimum are going to hell.

The reason I'd argue for cessationism is because, going by the fruits of pentecoastal and charismatic christian congregations, I just see too many avaricious multimillionaires, glib sociopaths that are wolves in sheep's clothing as pastors and the prosperity gospel being packaged in inevitably. With christians there claiming to prophecy, and people following them, it's only a matter of time before you get glib sociopaths like Joseph Smith claiming to get new revelation and damning millions as they create a new false religion.

The fruits of the charismatic/Pentecostal denominations are rotten, there's no denying it.

>>846032

The way to deal with false prophets isn't to speak against the Spirit. We're called to exercise spiritual discernment. There are even specific rules for how congregations are meant to hear prophecies and tongues that are outlined in The Bible and many churches follow them.

>>846032

Read 1 Corinthians 14 and Acts 2. There, you will see it says that speaking in tongues is a gift where a person would speak in a language they had never learned so that people who spoke other languages could understand them. It had nothing to do with babbling in mystery language that cannot be translated.

Not only this, but if you read Mark chapter 16, you will see further that this was one of the "sign gifts" spelled out as following the apostles as a sign of their authority in their day. These "sign gifts" are still relevant today because only the Apostles have them, the same guys who were part of the original church who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write the New Testament. Since them, there haven't been any more sign gifts for the simple reason that as Mark 16 states, it was to follow them specifically. The speaking in tongues, healing, and being unharmed from serpent poison were all in this category of "sign gifts" that served this purpose.

In 1 Corinthians 14, Paul also states that these sign gifts were meant for unbelievers to join the church, and also as fulfillment of specific prophecies. Distinctively, the Mark 16 sign gifts were not necessary for the edification of believers in the church, as the other gifts mentioned throughout the Epistles are. For instance, the prophecy of being bitten by a serpent and not being harmed was fulfilled when Paul was bitten by a snake in Acts 27. We still recognize the authority of these same apostles today. We still read about those miracles in His Word. And as the Lord said, "blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." So they serve just as much of a validation of the Apostles now as they did when they happened firsthand.