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>>837895

Was it this thread >>837023? It only has 4 replies though.

>>837895

Found it! >>836981

>>837899

That can’t be the one. I pasted 4 easily then I pasted more.

No. That’s not the one. I replied to it several times and mentioned the fact that I now knew the names of seven demons and their crafts because I read the book of Enoch a little to finally shut that anon up the way he needs to be. I went on to say I didn’t know a single demon name and hadn’t read any in any apocrypha book except the one that he kept mentioning. I ended with calling him a baphomet worshiping “turd” (not the word I used) and told him the names of those seven demons were his for-fathers. Yeah I got pretty heated in it.

I woke up craving his reply so I can argue some more. But it seems the whole convo was deleted. Maybe it was the whole thread and maybe just up until that point. The thing about posting late into the night is your never sure which one it was.

>>837903

Forgot to fill in the name.

>>837900

No not this one. But the guy I suspect it was is in this one.

I went off on him yesterday on the thread when he started with his “the book of Enoch is hidden from Christians” nonsense. I thing it was the thread with that one anon that speaks to the wall. But when I looked at it the convo wasn’t there. Is it normal to have thing deleted from boards when the terms of use are not violated?

>>837905

I wouldn't think the BO would delete anything unless he has a really good reason to.

Yeah the thread seems to have been deleted.

In the description box it started with, “so are we all supposed to just die now…” that thread should be on the surface. It’s missing. How is this possible and what does it take to pull this off. Because I got a score to settle with that book of Enoch salivating satanist. Better I annoy him than others with my rough edges.

>>837906

The only thing I said in it that could e offensive is I called that guy a “baphomet worshiping piece of sh!t” (exact words) that was the most offensive thing I said and I’ve rarely gotten that rough. I doubt that was enough to delete the thread. Is that a big deal here?

>>837908

Yeah I remember that thread now because of that description. I guess it did get deleted but I wonder what for? You could post in the meta thread to ask and see if the BO replies.

Thanx for the quick help guys. Looks like we have some unnecessary censorship we all know about now. We can just wait for that anon to open his mouth again.

>>837912

Not gonna loose more time on it brother. If that anon mentions Enoch again I’ll just go through the main points I had. If he never does then we all win. But now we know one of the tactics of the enemy. God bless you guys.

>>837913

>God bless you guys

God bless you as well

>>837913

I think I read some of it this morning.

Can you enumerate your main points against the Book Of Enoch?

>>837905

>>837906

>>837913

There was no censorship. It could have been deleted by the OP, or maybe it early 404'd.

>Antispam settings

>Early 404

>If enabled, threads with less than 10 replies will 404 at Page 5.

>If there's a raid, spammers will have to post 10 replies in every thread they create to slide an entire board.

If that was the case you could find it in the archive, if you know the title.

Log: https://sys.8kun.top/log.php?page=1&board=christian

Archive: https://8kun.top/christian/archive/index.html

>>837925

The main point I have against it is that it gives the names of seven original demons that took wives and taught the people witchcraft. It gives their direct names and later gives the names of the seven other archangels (which is one truth mixed in the lies to make the book authentic). Never has the Bible or any apocrypha book I read contain a single name of a demon. Only satan’s name is mentioned and that is a fallen name given by God Himself. In fact the 66 books try their best to not even mention the names of angels because people have a habit of worshiping them once they know their names. One angel hesitated to tell an apostle or a prophet his name, but I don’t remember the scripture. It’s in one of the 66 “original” books.

My other point was that it clearly states that Enoch is being told by God himself you go communicate with these demons to tell them that God is gonna punish them. Something God has never commanded any human to do in any book I’ve read so far that’s biblical. Also the fallen angels already would have know this.

Another point was that when Enoch saw the throne room of God in a dream it was completely different than the throne room described in revelation. Much of it was in flames and it had a river of fire and in revelation it’s a river of life-giving water. Also the floor was described as fire but in revelation it’s a crystalline floor of glass.

Another huge contradiction is the place that Enoch saw all the dead go. It says it had a separation of the dead, separated by a chasm/cliff of deep water. One side has the righteous calling to god with their accusations against the wicked, the other had the unrighteous being tormented forever. This has many implied contradictions. It mentions Enoch hearing Abel accusing His killer. But Cain would be a chasm away wailing in torment so why would that even be necessary if it’s true? Along with that the Bible is constantly referring to death as a rest (none of these dead are resting), and clearly states that the dead will be judged after the resurrection, some to everlasting life others to everlasting shame. Solomon clearly says there is no wisdom, thought, etc. in death as well.

Another point I made was about the spacing of the chapters. It consists of chapters that are three to four scriptures long as an introduction to what Enoch is seeing then it has the next chapter describe what he’s seen. Nowhere in the Bible is this ever done. Many of the chapters in the book of Enoch would’ve been merged together because they are the same event and it’s explanation.

There is another part where an angel show Enoch a place where all those who have blasphemed against God go, no matter the nature of their blasphemy. But because of what Jesus told us about blaspheming God we know there is only one sort of blasphemy that won’t be forgiven and that’s blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. These places Enoch is being shown are considered permanent fixtures by God. But that cannot be true since God knew Jesus would make His sacrifice at the very beginning, making all these permanent fixtures unnecessary. Since God sees everything He never creates anything that will become obsolete.

The final thing I read that is suspicious is chapters 33-36. They mention the gates of God’s city and chapter 33 mentions three gates in the north. Chapter 34 mentions three in “westward”. Chapter 35 mentions 3 gates in the south. And lastly chapter 36 is missing. According to revelation there are 12 gates, each with the name of one of Jacob’s sons. But chapter 36 of Enoch is blank. Making me wonder if Enoch was shown 9 gates (a number used by the occult mostly, not that God doesn’t use it but by now I was super suspicious of this book), or if the chapter was assumed missing as chapter 36 and not really numbered as such since the Bible wasn’t numbered as well originally. If it was 9 gates then the city is in the shape of a triangle from up top, in revelation it’s 12 making it a square if looked from up top. None of the gates in the book of Enoch had names, maybe because Jacobs 12 sons were not born at the time but that now begs the question of why God would name the gates afterwards, and when He named it.

Overall, It’s completely confusing to me and filled with more contradictions then I have ever ran into in my life. All the other apocrypha books I’ve read have 1-3 contradictions max and they are small. But in just the first 36 chapters of Enoch (chapters go by fast because they are very short) I ran into more contradictions then I have ever seen and I’m not even close to being done with the book. Would you guys continue reading if you were me? Should I, because there are so much more contradictions. If it didn’t straight up give me names of demons (many of those names are in the show “supernatural” as well as other demon vs. angel oriented shows) from the start of the book, I would read more. But I’m starting to think the whole point of the book was supposed to be an introduction to communicating with demons for any unsuspecting Christian to gobble up.

Then there is that anon that keeps mentioning this particular apocrypha book. He never mentions any other. If he cares so much about Christians then why no reference to other apocrypha books. He is also a fan of projecting the truth about himself onto others to push a lie, creating lie from truth in a way (transmutation), a tactic taught by satanic/mystic guide books. It’s a form of witchcraft. The whole thing is very suspicious to me.

>>837934

Thnx BO. We appreciate it.

The book started sounding legit after chapter 36. Now…

Enoch 68: 6-8.

6. The name of the third is Gadrel: he discovered every stroke of death to the children of men.

7. He seduced Eve; and discovered to the children of men the instruments of death, the coat of mail, the shield, and the sword for slaughter; every instrument of death to the children of men.

8. From his hand were these things derived to them who dwell upon earth, from that period for ever.

Is this suppose to be satan’s original name? In fact chapter 68 is again listing names of fallen angels, this time 21 of them. None of which I’ve ever read before. Can anyone here show me anything in the original 66 books that can teach me that this is normal? I’m trying to keep an open mind here.

In chapter 64 Noah goes to the dwelling place of his great-grandfather Enoch, who is at this point gone from the earth. And he starts to pray by saying “hear me” three times. Then Enoch comes down to greet him and talk to him and tell him what’s going to take place.

When has anyone been able to call a dead relative in the Bible. Let’s say for a moment Enoch was taken to heaven and didn’t die. Why would he be the one talking to Noah? And if a prophet is met by the last righteous man in his family to deliver him messages and council then where are the other passages with similar experiences for the prophets. Honestly I’m getting fed up with all the new first time things I’m reading here. I’m trying to keep an open mind and not be unfair about this. What do you think guys?

Enoch chapter 88 is a poor attempt to sound like prophecy. But whoever wrote this book read the Bible and tried to substitute its history using animals to represent nations and peoples, in order to give it a more solid reputation.

As it continues it keeps adding things that are obviously from the Bible. It has a chapter or two that tries to sound like proverbs as well. And it says there are 364 days in a year and Enoch disappeared at age 365. The more I read this book the less I’m convinced it’s inspired by God. In fact it speaks of the sin having 18 phases (18 being a number that God also doesn’t use for celestial purposes). If it said 12 phases or 24, i’de be more convinced.

Now in chapter 105, methuselahs son has a kid who’s skin is whit as snow and who’s eyes are so beautiful they “light up a room” (It seems to be saying that literally). The kid can also immediately speak and praise God. So methuselah now goes and calls to his father Enoch which is in heaven and Enoch begins to speak with him. These details are kind of shocking. Yet the Bible just passes over these men’s lives like nothing in Genesis. Since when has anybody in the Bible spoken to their dead relatives like simba spoke with mufasa. And twice now. First it says Noah did it, now it says Methuselah is doing it. But methuselah came before Noah. Why the switch? Why did it talk about Noah doing it before methuselah?

This book is bonkers. No wonder that anon is whacked out. Poor guy actually tried to believe this.

Ohhhh. Get this. Enoch is talking like he wrote this book in heaven. He’s talking about all this in passed tense. Like he wrote it all down in heaven. Jesus Christ.

>>837959

That freak baby turned out to be Noah. Interesting. In the Bible God came to Noah and told him what to do, no mention of Noah asking something like, “has the day my forefathers fortold come?” No one seemed to have told him but God. Again, the Bible talks about these things very quickly. Doesn’t give much info. And it doesn’t seem like Jacob had these books. Moses clearly didn’t write this book. It’s written from the perspective of Enoch.

Well, I reached the end of the book. Could’ve sworn there was a section in there supporting reincarnation, because the first time I learned of this book I rejected it because of that scripture that was taken from it. When I came across that scripture years ago, I started with an article about an extension hidden from man of the book of revelation, that lead me to the book of Enoch. Maybe that same lie exists about the book of Enoch. The revelation extension was clearly a lie. Maybe, supposedly, the book of Enoch also has a deleted extension to it. So many lies out there. I guess at any point people can say “Look! Look! Did you know there’s more?!?!?!”

I know what I read a few years ago, I remember because it pissed me off. We all remember things much better when it pisses us off. That was one of those times.

If you guys want to give this a read, go ahead. All it does is teach you the names of demons and a poor explanation about cycles of the moon and sun and stars. According to the structure of Gods throne in revelations, there are 24 hours in a day, 7 days in a week, 4 weeks in a month, 3 months in a season. I know according to revelation that makes it a total of 336 days in a year and that’s not the calendar we run on. But Revelations is describing Gods timing not man’s.

The only thing the book of Enoch has going for it is the 364 (that’s not a typo) days in a year argument, and to do that it needs to divide the cycles into numbers that God never uses for celestial purposes in the Bible. 18 being 6+6+6 instead of the number 12 (gates of the city of God in Heaven, 12 stones on the chest plate of the high priest, and etc.) or the number 24 (24 saints surrounding the throne) there are some celestial numbers in the book of Enoch. But even that is used in an odd way, like 7 demons that left first, then 21 (all of them named) mentioned later including those 7.

The whole thing hurts my head. This book isn’t just “a little leaven in the bread”. It’s a little bread in a gigantic lump of leaven.

It seems this thread is now about the book of Enoch and why it’s a hoax.