/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>841359

>God doesn't cause good people to experience evil

Why does he allow it? Is it evil to feel pain or displeasure?

>>841359

>jews who crucified him

Does anybody have the pic compilation of quotes where popes and theologians call out jews?

>>841360

Evil teaches us the necessity of goodness therefore the existence of evil is ultimately good, although less good that true goodness.

>>841362

No, evil is just not good at all. God does not will evil to exist.

>>841369

The only way to get to God through evil is hitting rock bottom, experiencing near death or hell on earth, being haunted by the demonic, seeing most of your friends die, and finally crying out in desperation because there's literally no hope left in any direction.

But most people are dead before that even happens. So I don't recommend it.

>>841369

There's only so much God can do. He can't make the lion huge enough to scare away its enemies and small enough to hide in short grass from poachers with guns. Sometimes all paths end poorly in some way. Even though God can choose exactly which path the universe follows, there will be choices that pop up where you can't have your cake and eat it too. This is why evil exists and why evil sometimes wins.

>>841372

I originally made the argument to point out that

>What if evil leading to good is possible?

>If God is the true provider and not evil, that evil can exist and give the opportunity for getting closer to God and evil doesn't itself get people closer to God, then

<Why can't God provide the opportunities himself

>If because evil has limited power over God and God can't prevent it, then God isn't omnipotent

>If God doesn't because he is uncaring, then God isn't all-loving

>If evil can lead people to good, then evil is good

Meaning God is ultimately less than He is. But then I realized that man has free will, and that God isn't the one who led him to evil.

>>841373

>If because evil has limited power over God and God can't prevent it, then God isn't omnipotent

This is almost the case. Except the reason God isn't effectively omnipotent is because He chooses to follow the principle of non-contradiction and all that entails from it by His own will. So it's not that He lacks the power. It's that He wears metaphorical training armor and staunchly refuses to take it off because God has all virtues like conviction and integrity. This is contrary to the stories of the pagan gods who were unpredictable and might break logic to turn you into a horse because they had a bad day.

In fact in the spiritual world, demons still pull bs like that which is why you might have absurdly unrealistic nightmares. This is why you should never surrender control of your imagination either.

>>841376

I believe you, my reasoning is mostly semantic equation of evil as only being capable of being evil, by definition. It holds no meaning in reality. I haven't gone through something as severe as you're describing, not by a long shot, but the idea of reaching God through going to the rock bottom (in my case extreme solitude) rings true with my experience.

>>841377

Were you quoting me. Darn. I just deleted that post, because of a typo. Oh well.

In any case, I wouldn't consider solitude as an evil. It can be a good thing. It's what I choose for myself now actually. But then, if one is an extrovert, maybe it is an evil of sorts too.

>>841494

A pain in the chest is a symptom of anxiety, I have it all the time and it is neither good nor bad. During prayer, the pain soothes and then a warm feeling takes me over. Though it is not due to Grace proper, it is just a response to concentration. It is interesting that I found a centuries old prayer instructions and one of them is about not minding these and how some are deceived.

Talking about getting closer to God is always difficult, since he is both infinitely far and infinitely close. For you, perhaps fraternal activities could help since God is with us through it, but ultimately what is of God comes without us realizing and comes by itself.

Are dreams that predict the future a sign of trauma? I remember in the Bible God said they will happen to Israel's sons after some mass traumatic event.

>>841494

Talk to God. Tell him everything, how you feel, what you want, etc. Worship Him, turn on CCM and sing it to Him. Read Your Bible and pray daily. But also, spend 5 minutes a day silently listening to Him. That'll do a lot.

>>841536

No, dreams that predict the future are prophetic dreams. I get them all the time. It's pretty cool. Are you talking about what's written in Joel about the latter rains? If so, I think that's just God saying some of the signs that'll show up for the end times and when He'd pour out the gifts of the Spirit.

>>841571

I already tell God what i feel and it helps a lot. What is CCM? When you say to "listen" to God, i know that doesn't mean that God is literally going to audibly speak to me with words, but that does God speaking to me look like, i don't understand?

>>841584

Christian Contemporary Music, like Hillsong, Bethel, Elevation, Pat Barrett, etc. And yeah, God speaks audibly. He once told me a guy I knew hated computer programming despite being a math major. I told him God told me that and he said it was true. But He can also speak in other ways, speak through circumstances and the like. Just give God 5 minutes a day. I've told others to do that and it's worked for them. It'll work for you too.

>>841574

>dreams that predict the future are prophetic dreams

No s—.

>>841585

That's strange, a Catholic friend told me God doesn't audibly speak to people, but i've also heard testimonies of God speaking through/to people, so i don't doubt it. Thank you, i'll check out those artists. I spend some time praying to God, but not really talking too much to him, i will give him 5 more minutes.

speaking of speaking through circumstances, i had a peculiar feeling when i was in a food drive (it was a one time reward, free food and work) and i felt as if it was a girft from God. After this strange feeling i looked in a random direction (because if it really was from God he would put something there) and there were these shoes resting on the deck of this lady's house, and that were the same ones that i had before. anyways one of the people on the food drive was a Freemason and i felt it was God's way to telling my to love my enemies.

>>841588

You can catch more bees with honey.

>>841591

There are no bees. Everyone is a wasp without exception, and they all deserve bug spray all the same.

How do you stop intrusive thoughts of being a demon?

>>840833

>/leftypol/

>>841720

It's always good to challenge what you "know" or accept. Besides i'm a non-white so the far right doesn't serve my best interest.

I am a son of God. I want love. Where do I get love?

>>841718

Pray and stop consuming demonic media.

>>841819

No, but don’t turn it into a weird fetish or you will eventually destroy your future marriage.

>>841868

What do you mean by “love?”

>>841870

What is demonic media? I don't consume anything anymore except for youtube, 8kun, and voat, not even any tv.

>>841895

Pray to God when it arises. Say, "I give you these thoughts, Lord." And when the disciples of Jesus couldn't deal with a demon, they were told to fast. Seek God's wisdom on this and ask Him what to do.

Are there any good Christian discords? I was in one where mods were going ban crazy. One where I shouldn't be afraid to say what I want?

>>841904

Don't use discord even if there were a good one. I've seen some matrix channels tagged as Christian if you want to look into those

Begin pasta here:

Discord owns all your data that you post in Discord. Its a jewish operation 100%.

>https://ordoevangelistarum.com/psa-discord-is-jewish-use-riot/

The founder and CEO of Discord is Jason Citron.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discord_(software)

Jason’s brother Zachary Citron also works for the company.

>https://archive.is/atyUE

>(Original source: https://nitter.net/ZacCitron/status/616348207606468609)

>https://discordapp.com/jobs

(Scroll to “Meet the squad”. List order is randomized so click the button below the faces to expand the list as many times as needed.)

Zachary is a Jew.

>https://archive.is/0gnsM

>(Original source: https://nitter.net/ZacCitron/status/188507631055421441)

>https://archive.is/25Dqv

>(Original source: https://nitter.net/ZacCitron/status/726576539618299904)

The surname Citron is predominantly Jewish.

>https://archive.is/amF0z

>(Original source: https://www.geni.com/projects/Citron-Citroen-Tzitron-Citrin-Cytryn-Family/3495)

>https://archive.is/S6eby

>(Original source: https://www.geshergalicia.org/families/citron/)

So it’s reasonably certain Zachary’s brother Jason, the CEO of Discord, is also a Jew.

>https://archive.is/fQ7eQ

>(Original source: https://nitter.net/jasoncitron/status/4307414193)

Furthermore, one of the major investors in Discord is Time Warner Investments.

>https://discordapp.com/company

Stop using discord.

See also:

https://invidio.us/QN_6AZT92pU

SOURCES:

Discord Privacy Policy:

> https://discordapp.com/privacy

Personal Data Calculator:

> https://ig.ft.com/how-much-is-your-personal-data-worth/

OpenFeint Lawsuit:

> https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/1236-gamers-sue-openfeint-in-class-action-lawsuit/

>>841905

Archive of the first link

http://archive.is/rmwCJ

Why is Aquinas so based? Think of any challenge to conservative Christianity and Aquinas has a watertight answer to it.

>>841908

If you're seeing the occult in Nintendo, then maybe God just wanted you to have fun with Capcom?

>>841905

Thanks for the in depth info.

b u m p

cuckchan destroyed me. I used to be able to bounce back from anything. Now the slightest misfortune ruins my month. I thought I could learn more right wing values and toughness from that site but the opposite happened. How do I get my old self back?

>>841895

Anything that is mainstream media or "news" media or from (((journalists)))

I disagree that hell is eternal. With how merciful, loving, and forgiving God is, why would anyone believe such a thing?

Are most Christians really okay with never seeing the majority of the people they know and love ever again?

The true translation of Revelation 20:10 says "in the age of ages" or "though the ages" which means there's an end. I look forward to meeting all my friends, family, bullies, etc, after they've experienced hell and know God is real. I can't wait to meet their true self the way God made them.

Can anyone help me? I feel really lost. I feel like God is pulling me towards Him, but I don't know what to do. I pray every day for Him to show me the correct path, but I just feel more confused every day. The more I read and learn about different denominations (or even different religions entirely) the more confused I get. Everyone seems to be so sure of themselves and everyone has tons of arguments for their own interpretation/authority and against everyone else's interpretation of God and his words.

I just want to do what's right and good, but everywhere I look I just see more divide and infighting and I just want to serve God, and serve him correctly if possible. Should I just pray more? Read the Bible again? What do you do when you are lost spiritually?

>>842057

I kind of felt the same when I first became Christian. Then I realized I didn't really care to align with any denomination, basically if it's not in the bible then I don't believe it.

Christianity comes in all sorts of flavors but I wanted the original, vanilla if you will. No variation, no substitutes, no worries. Non-denominational master race!

>>842057

I agree with >>842066, but also, I would add in worship Him. Turn on Elevation worship, Pat Barrett, Hawk Nelson, Hillsong, Bethel, etc. Find something you feel the Holy Spirit guiding you to. Do that daily. And also, along with everything else, spend 5 minutes a day silently listening for God and tell Him what you're doing. And tell Him everything that's on your heart. You'll keep growing and it'll be awesome.

>>842071

Yes and to add to this I don't believe in "once saved always saved" or that simply believing on Jesus's sacrifice means you're saved. If you only see salvation as a ticket out of hell, then it's highly unlikely you're actually saved to begin with.

As Matthew 7:21-23 says, not everyone who believes in Jesus will go to Heaven, not everyone who does good deeds and works will go to heaven. I know for sure that Jesus won't say to me "Depart from me I never knew you" because I do have that personal relationship with God.

I do pray daily, I talk to Him as if He were a real person and not some entity or being without a personality. I know He listens when I speak, I don't need an audible voice to know He's there or is responding. Very few people who are Christians can say the same, I wonder how many Christians actually have a real relationship with God? Praying isn't a work, it's an act of faith.

I've seen humanity is so sinful that I believe Ultron did nothing wrong. Has anyone else progressed this far in their faith, to see Ultron as a fictional servant of God?

>>842071

mom worship

Am I going to Hell for swallowing my own sperm?

>>842085

I'll bite and take it serious.

Jesus could have easily done something similar. The amazing thing is that he didn't: He humbled himself, became a servant, and died for our sins. Then told us to become servants ourselves.

Why is it slow as of recent times?

>>842591

That's because the Romans destroyed Judea for Him later so He didn't have to do anything other than make jews look bad and He succeeded. The NT is one of the most famous antisemitic collections of books. In other times where people won't kill for Him He does it Himself like in the great flood and Revelation.

>>842609

Just because God has power over life and death doesn't mean you understand how he goes about it. We're incapable of reaching the pure form of justice of God. "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways." - Isaiah 55:8

And you certainly aren't going to understand God's justice by watching some faggot Hollywood movie about killer robots. What's wrong with you?

He also gave them a whole generation to repent (40 years) and many Jews converted in that time. And the whole early church was mostly comprised of Jews. It wasn't "antisemitic". The norm then were Jewish believers. The odd ones out were Gentiles, and they had to make the first Church Council just to even allow room for Gentiles. I don't even understand how you became a Catholic and didn't get this basic lesson in catechesis.

>>842612

Sirach 12 uses God's punishment of sinners as a precedent to do so ourselves. You're interpreting the Bible the opposite of the way the Bible interprets itself. You sound like a kike.

>>842613

Are you the guy who's always seething about the sermon of the mount? Just so I know…

I'm looking for a bible quote, it goes something like "God ignores the prayers from people with unrepented sins" I already searched it in a web search but can't find it.

>>842730

Nevermind found it

>John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

After having quit cuckchan for a few weeks I feel emotionally like what cuckchan would call faggoty but my straightness has returned and I like looking at feminine features again. Is that site some kind of psyop to brainwash people into turning gay? It doesn't seem to be imageboards in general because I'm still using this place and have straight attractions.

>>842746

I don't know if I would go so far to call it a psyop but to me it is just sinners sinning and reveling in their doings.

>>842768

They can't shut up about social commentary even in a porn thread. It reminds me of Deadcells, a game where you're a plant that controls and discards human bodies except 4chan is the plant and the bodies are the users. It's a winnie the pooh weird ass place. No wonder I kept getting invasion of the body snatchers vibes from it.

I read somewhere lycanthropy is a curse pagans love to cast on Christians. Does anyone have any idea what the source is or the reasoning behind this? Or even wtf lycanthropy means in this context?

>>842770

Christians can't be cursed I don't think. And that's werewolves.

>>842772

Fr. Ripperger says Christians can indeed be cursed.

>>840036

I know it's a month old, but it's worth answering more fully imo.

halfchan won't get much out of coming here aside from a dedicated board, but it comes at the cost of a smaller userbase.

Redditors, at least the politically conservative ones, gain an area that's closer to unequivocally agreeing with them rather than the constant fighting on Reddit, at least r/Christianity and r/TrueChristian. You'd have to do it carefully though, as 8kun still carries a stigma, and it's liable to get your post/comment removed. However, they lose the upvote/downvote system, and once again end up with a smaller userbase.

You'd probably get some people to stick around in any case.

t. someone who got recommended here but probably won't stick around

>>842770

If pagans were trying to turn Christians into werewolves (that's what lycanthropy is: being a werewolf) it was something they tried to do a long time ago, not any time recently. And as far as I know, werewolves aren't real, but if you think you've been cursed: pray, fast, and see a priest.

>>842791

I heard him say that if you are in a state of grace curses just rebound off you and affect whoever sent it instead.

So i guess its another reason not to be in mortal sin.

Where in the bible do the Israelites call Molech YHWH?

>>842801

Never mind found it

>Leviticus 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

>>842802

That looks more like a command from God saying not to put your children through the fire to Molech and not to profane the name of God. "thy God" referring to the God of Israel.

>>842803

Isn't he saying not to profane his name because the Israelites used it on Molech?

>>842804

The verse you provided uses "neither" in the KJV, yet "and so" in the RSV. In the KJV, it says "don't put your kids in fire for Molech and also don't profane the name of God", in the RSV it's "don't put your kids in the fire for Molech and end up profaning the name of God"

>You shall not give any of your children to devote them by fire to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. (Leviticus 18:21 RSV)

>>842804

I think it is a prohibition of human sacrifice, which is what many peoples did.

Name stands for relationship, not merely utterance.

Is the higher self Satan? Sometimes I feel like my higher self wants to kill me.

>>842972

If a 'ghost' manifests in some way its a soul in purgatory in need of prayers, they wont harm you.

As to hauntings and hostile stuff its demonic activity.

Why have catholic flag if you dont believe in demons?

>>842843

Many natural drugs also enslave us. As to mushrooms i'm torn on the issue. I had a 'Christian' experience with it but many report new agey or all kinds of weird stuff.

The bible does tell us to be sober which seems to contradict shrooming.

>>842973

You can be Catholic and believe whatever you want now. Just ask Francis.

>>842972

You're all over the place about wether they're unconcious or the conciousness of the departed. Perhaps ghosts and forces appear as sensible to you because of contemporary culture, but at the very least the Christian perspective is consinstent unlike your soup of pop science and supernatural.

>>842972

Aren't demons just fallen angels though? Since angels were likely created with heaven in genesis 2:1 but before Earth according to Job 38:1-7, who would they have been ghosts of?

Also, what Catholic sect doesn't believe in demons or people going to heaven?

What is the difference between the LCMS and WELS?

>>842983

You're hallucinating inconsistencies where there are none because what was just said challenges your worldview. This is called cognitive dissonance. All that was asserted was that the mainstream conception of demons wouldn't be conscious. However, the ghost version would be. And the fact you're anti-anime exposes you as an obvious shill.

>>842987

I'm not insane, though now I know I misunderstood your post. I thought I could help, I'm sorry.

>>842972

There is no such thing as ghosts in the Christian religion. Unless you mean ghost as a synonym to Spirit.

>>843003

You're speaking modernism. Like the other Catholic said, it was historically accepted that ghosts were souls in purgatory. The main difference between him and me is I believe they still have potential to do evil deeds. He believes only demons can do evil in spirit form. I find it hard to believe those static creatures did anything more than decide the set of primes and maybe some extremely abstract 4D chess for Satan, not direct human interaction. Their evil is far more sophisticated.

>>843004

>it was historically accepted that ghosts were souls in purgatory

Yes, I know that. These ghosts are however entirely different than the superstitious belief in malevolent spirits. Your great-grandpa won't come back and haunt your house, or talk to you through some oujia board. If anything that's just some demon who is acting as if he is your grandpa.

>>843005

Oh no not you faggots. I don't believe in Luigi boards (lololol) and all that crap. I also don't give a winnie the pooh how afraid you are some stupid kid who should be allowed to learn from his mistakes is going to do something stupid. I just want to discuss the truth and the truth was settled by ancestors far wiser than you. I don't want your damn perverted version for the sake of protecting some morons from their own stupidity. I could own your ass for the thousandth time with the Witch of Endor story but I want to winnie the pooh move on and derive more knowledge from that information instead of wasting decades debating you faggots until I become a ghost myself. Ghosts are real and can interact with us and that's final. The level two debate that's supposed to be going on here is their capacity for evil. Either contribute to that discussion or screw off.

>>843006

Whether Saul actually saw the ghost of Samuel, is debatable. But what you imply here (if the witch actually managed to summon Samuel on her own) is that necromancy would be possible, and that is superstition.

>>843008

You're a modernist moron and I hate your kind so much. Convert back to judaism. I'm not here to be babied by a nlggerfaggot concerned someone will try a necromancy. It's because of assholes like you who are more concerned with safety than truth that we have millions of people taking kike meds because they're afraid they'll hurt themselves unless their brains are poisoned with chemicals. Stop s—ting on our ancestors just because you think you're (((helping))) by keeping morons from learning lessons the hard way like they deserve to. Go try a Luigi board, you lurker faggots. I know you're too pussy to anyway so this faggot anon's efforts are all in vain anyway. Go ahead, faggots. Summon your dead grandpa or whoever. I dare you. Mess with the occult. Lose your immortal soul you don't even have.

I hate imageboards. Truth isn't allowed. Only false narratives with ulterior motives are allowed.

>>843009

I'm not a modernist

I just don't believe in these superstitions the church fathers already rejected.

>>843013

It's not superstition. The Bible says ghosts are real and Catholics who didn't grow up under jewish brainwashing believed ghosts were real. You're making s— up and hallucinating the church fathers holding a consensus they didn't have, and even the ones who were skeptical at first like Augustus eventually accepted the ghost narrative of the Witch of Endor. I'm not here to "debate" with fools who refuse to accept reality or even deny the words of St. Augustine after his own careful deliberation and acceptance of the truth. Do you take your ancestors AND St. Augustine for fools?

>>843012

Are you speaking the truth now, and are you being inhibited?

Does staying up late invite the demonic?

Can you recommend me any good books about satanism from a christian prospective?

>>843077

It invites mine.

I don't get it. Why did the internet go to s— summer of 2019 and never recover? People no longer understand sarcasm is ironic. They gang up against the truth. Edginess now suddenly gets a free pass. Logical fallacies are never called out. Whoever gets the angriest is deemed the winner. Like seriously wtf? This is nuts. I feel like I'm in Africa most of the time I'm online.

>>843503

In the famous words of Ben Garrison, "Name the Jew; Blame the Jew"

How is practicing Christianity or Christians dangerous to those in power?

>>843509

>“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure–one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

>David Rockefeller

I believe the ultimate goal of those in power is to create the ideal worker class. For this, they need to destroy the family.

The Bible is supportive of the nuclear family i.e. of a husband and wife belonging to each other, of wives submitting to their husbands (Ephesians 5: 22) and of children submitting to their parents (4th Commandment).

One attack on the nuclear family was Feminism. By putting women in the workplace, they could simultaneously halve the wages by doubling the work force, strip men of their purpose as providers thereby attacking their masculinity and making them less resistant to their superiors and brainwash the unattended children with TV programming. And what do the children see when they watch TV? They see men who are never respectable, responsible adults. Feminism also introduced No-Fault Divorce, providing women with the means to end their marriage on a whim, because "the spark is gone".

Christians oppose women in the workplace, believing they should be in the home, they oppose the destruction of masculinity, they oppose the idea that men are incompetent and not something to be respected and they (generally?) oppose No-Fault Divorce.

Another attack is race-mixing. This is done in order to create as many people as possible who are disconnected from their racial history. Now the grandchildren are separated from the grandparents.

The end result is a group of people who have no familial identity and no racial identity. With no real sense of identity, such a person will never feel any kind of reason to resist his superiors. He will be told what to do and apathetically accept it. The elites will live as the master race and the workers will live as a slave race. I'm not fully knowledgeable on this topic admittedly but I hope this helps.

>>843572

Yes, that helped thank you.

>>843572

Wow. If there was a post deserving to be framed on a wall this is it.

Are names authors give to God like Eru Iluvatar still sacred and should not be used in vain? I assume yes because the substance it points to is God even if the label is relatively new.

What precisely does "holy roller" refer to and when was that term coined

What makes dead souls different from fictional characters? Lincoln doesn't seem to exercise more power than Goku, lately. I got requests granted from petitioning Saints but I also got the same from creatures from Lovecraft's universe. When I'm gone will I be any different from a story?

How Catholic is Lord of the Rings? I know Tolkien was Catholic but how much of his world's lore is based off Catholic doctrine?

>>844987

Idolatry in both cases

Can I become a Christian without going to a church to get baptized? Finding a church here is hard unless I'm willing to drive through a few cities.

I've always preferred Christianity to Islam, but I have no idea how to convert.

>>845425

In the Bible a Christian is always converted before being baptized, then baptism is the first command for the new christian to follow. If you physically are unable to be baptized by bible believing Christians for a while you aren't being disobedient to God.

>>845428

Can I not identify as a Christian now, and baptize myself when I have the chance?

>>845425

If you are saved by belief in Jesus, that he is Lord and Christ and you believe his word, then you are born again and a Christian. So for that reason I would first suggest that you consider and I hope and pray that you will believe the Gospel.

Is English your first language, and if so you can read the Bible which has this here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=KJV

Now if you have done this and you believe, the first thing you will want to do afterward to follow Scripture, is find a church so you can be baptized according to the method in Scripture (Matthew 28). So you are right about that being important. But every saved person has received the remission of sins even before baptism, and this is why they are able to be baptized for that reason (i.e. Acts 2:38).

>>845430

Have you heard the Gospel from the Holy Scriptures? Do you believe what the Lord teaches in his word?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16

>baptize myself when I have the chance?

Not possible. It has to be for someone joining the membership of a church. Fortunately you can first hear the word of our Lord and be saved upon believing in Him, and after this you will have time (if the Lord grants it) to join a church of true faith and practice.

>>845430

Does a Christian identify with Christ their savior or their baptism? What has Christ Jesus our Lord done for you? Why do want to be a Christian if not for Christ? If you follow Christ you call yourself a Christian, even if the things that seal your relationship with Him are in the near future. Because if you are coming into fellowship with Christ, then you are being drawn by Christ already. He has been wooing you and calling you to Himself before your baptism.

>>845430

Yes of course

>>845434

>>845433

>>845435

Thanks for the replies my friends!

The reason I can't convert is because my family is made up of zealous muslims, sadly.

I'll take your replies and advice to heart, I'll try to visit a church whenever I have the chance to go to one, secretly.

>>845434

I was only asking about baptizion as most Christians that I've meet online have described it as a requirement

>>845437

Baptism is absolutely a requirement, but your question was as to whether it would be worth calling yourself a Christian now, which is a question you should be asking yourself. If you identify with the Lordship of Jesus Christ. If you do, then then the answer is yes, you are a Christian, and you should get baptized.

Hey fellows. I wish very much to get married, but I don't know how to get ready. I've been praying a novena for this purpose, but as I have, I have been told on 3 occasions that I must make myself worthy of a wife. How do I do this? I also have unresolved trust issues, how do I deal with this?

>>845591

Care for your garden out of love for your garden and the birds will come. There is no secret.

About the trust issues, develop a very close relationship with a friend and broaden your lesser friends and acquaintances. A marriage is not a friendship, this is impious german romantism.

Did God or Satan give me autism?

I really like anime and werewolves. Aquinas is my favorite Saint because he explains things bluntly and logically. Why aren't there more people like me? Why would God make everyone else the same but not me?

>>845648

"I like elephants and God likes elephants" - Terry A. Davis

>>845676

Are you supporting or condemning me?

Is it Unchristian to say "Degenerates like you belong on a cross."?

the Cross was Originally meant for Criminal Scum before it was Turned into a Symbol of Christ.

>>845714

This question demonstrates your autism, he's being funny. Also God gave me autism, and I think it's great.

>>845878

Deeply so anon, be a good witness and learn to be less vengeful.

What's the plan if this reality turns out to be just a fever dream and I wake up and Roll says "Who's Jesus, Megaman? You were mumbling in your sleep, something about people who look like Wily trying to kill the White race and weird people who don't believe in God performing gross sexual acts. Wherever you were dreaming about doesn't sound very nice."

>>845880

For me, my autism just makes people more scary because I can't predict them.

>>845880

No not the Vengeful part I mean the words in of themselves. I am asking because Jesus Died on the cross. And Obviously Jesus wasn't a Degenerate.

>>845884

And the Cross was meant for The most reprehensible of society. Not a man like Jesus.

Why does reddit worship 4chan? That place is literally nothing but twitter screenshots and dumb stoners. 8kun has actual discussion and doesn't make me want to shoot myself every time I read new comments.

I got some mental problems lately that have really been holding me back,like I have really bad social anxiety,I have homicidal thoughts and weird sexual ones on a daily basis,I am telling you I can't control it,like they just randomly pop in and I think about them for like 30 minutes straight. It's really bad stuff to,like it really ruins my day sometimes because of the stupidness of them. Should I see a psychiatrist?

>>846169

At this point it's a bunch of zoomers talking crap to each other online

>>846342

>bad people gooder than good people

Lewis was a moron and a negative influence on Tolkien. Thank you for posting this quote because I am now aware he is the origin of Gandalf's worst quote: "I no take ring cuz Sauron make me do bad while I tink I do good." Ah yes, better just winnie the pooh give it to Saruman then so everyone knows the guy lining up elves and men for decapitation is evil. I'd totally never know that if it was Gandalf doing it.

>>846343

Sorry Brother, i think i didn't understand what you are meaning, could you explain it again?

>>846342

What's his point? No man is good enough to be trusted with uncontrolled power over himself either.

One cannot have uncontrolled power over an other, but the individual is easily taken over by demons without community assistance. Since one cannot hide or run away from the self, the greatest of tyrannies cannot come from another man, but from the self. A community that does not work to constrain the passions is the greatest of all tyrannies and a collaborator with demons.

>>846373

<someone says maybe the synoptics have subversive gnostic influences

>HERETIC REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

<someone says blatant gnostic bulls— like reject the self in complete opposition to St. Augustine one of the most important Saints in all denoms

>this is fine

This board is a testament to how hopeless humanity is. I have a feeling if Jesus' second coming is as Ultron I'm the only person who wouldn't be surprised.

>>846354

People aren't actually dumb enough to think something blatantly evil is good just because it has a name with a nice connotation. It's always better to pick the lesser of two evils.

>>846380

I see, Thank you

>>846380

>People aren't actually dumb enough to think something blatantly evil is good just because it has a name with a nice connotation

Uh-oh.

>>846342

Yes he was absolutely right. Only limited government recognizes the sinful nature of man, since it means restricting the possibility of bad actors to wield power in wrong ways.

Consider education. Is it better that the state or the you decide what is taught to your children?

>>846391

Dems aren't for limited government.

>>846392

Uhh buddy do you think he was referring to the US political party?

To those who reject images:

Why isn't the eucharist a graven image?

I'm not familiar with american protestantism, so please help me understand your point of view. I've heard some groups even deny depicting non-human figures like crosses or fishes. If one understands it like this, wouldn't Christ have sinned by attributing a symbol for himself?

>>846471

I'm a Catholic but I'm pretty sure not all Protestants have eucharist.

>>846471

Its not graven and it's not an image, but it's also not right to say Protestants reject images, even calvinists

I will consume man and beast; I will

consume the fowls of the heaven, and the

fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks

with the wicked; and I will cut off man

from off the land, saith the LORD.

And cinnamon, and odours, and

ointments, and frankincense, and wine,

and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, AND

BEASTS, AND SHEEP, AND HORSES, AND

CHARIOTS, AND SLAVES, AND SOULS OF MEN.

https://strangesounds.org/2020/09/mosquito-kill-cattle-horses-louisiana.html

https://strangesounds.org/2020/09/why-do-orcas-start-attacking-boats-scientists-and-sailors-left-baffled.html

https://strangesounds.org/2020/09/new-mexico-bird-death-mystery.html

https://strangesounds.org/2020/09/gigantic-swarms-of-winged-insects-invade-siberian-city-videos.html

https://strangesounds.org/2020/09/dozens-of-crows-fall-dead-from-the-sky-in-russia.html

https://strangesounds.org/2020/09/giant-crack-jimenez-mexico-video-pictures.html

Soon….

>>846552

It's the only Catholic position. Someone on this very board posted something saying the Catholic view of property rights means only Ancap is truly Catholic. Ancient Israel before they disobeyed God and asked for a king was anarchic.

>>846475

What do you understand by graven? Sculptured? Then are oil paintings fine?

>>846552

Not as an adult.

Must I kneel when I pray? I would like to pray before work, can I do this sitting in my car?

Also, may I carry a book in which prayers are written within to reference? I do not yet know them by heart. Thank you.

Is it sinful to destroy the degenerate paintings on the street wall? I am thinking about painting over the degenerative paintings during the night to prevent the people souls from becoming corrupted.

>>846554

Graven literally means carved but painted images or glasswork images qualify for the purposes of the commandment

The issue isnt that an image is made, it's how the image is used

>>846552

Look up Tom Woods

Is it wrong that I believe the women should be full time housewife?

>>846836

The bible says to respect women as if they're you're family, while there is nothing wrong with believing women should be full time housewives, you should respect their choice if they don't want to. That is also why it would be a good idea to find a Christian wife.

>Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

>Titus 2:4 And so train the young women to love their husbands and children,

>Ephesians 5:22-33 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, …

>1 Timothy 5:2 Older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, in all purity.

>>837722

Can someone recommend a good Catholic bible? Preferably with more up to date language? i have the Douay Rheims, but I find the language hard to remember and understand.

>>846851

What about the translation methods of the various protestant options would make you not want to use them? There's really not bias

The CSB is a formal equivalence translation at a much easier reading level. NASB and ESV are more literal but at a higher reading level

>>846851

Knox version.

I also have the NAB (old one) but I've been told it's suspect in some areas.

>>846834

Yes, so why isn't communion a transgression?

>>846855

If it doesn't bear the imprimatur of the Bishop, Catholics consider such Bibles to be corrupted. Also, Non-Catholic Bibles lack the Catholic explanation of what the Biblical passage means. Lets be honest here: protestants wouldn't recommend their Bibles if they weren't re-written for their own agenda.

>>846822

>Must I kneel when I pray?

Father said I need not kneel even during mass, because of my knee surgery. I will kneel anyway. If Christ can be scourged, I can put up with a little pain to kneel before him.

But no, it's not necessary. What is necessary is to pray for what you truly need, especially to pray for what you need to be worthy of heaven.

>>846858

You're talking about study notes

>>846856

Knox just like DR is a translation of a translation. Bad practice.

>>846857

Because it's not an image, it's not used as a stand in for God.

In the pagan context of the ancient near east, the neighboring nations to Israel like canaanites or philistines worshipped false gods by way of idols representing those gods. In the commandment God doesn't only instruct against worshipping false gods, he forbids adopting a similar practice even if it is in reference to Himself.

This is a recurring theme throughout the old testament, for the sake of holiness the israelites put away pagan beliefs and practices (but as the story goes they always slip back in).

Communion/the Lord's supper is an ordinance given to the church. The communion bread doesn't take the role of being a stand in for God, it's more analogous to the passover meal of the old testament.

I think though there is a real question about how some catholics treat the communion bread as possibly an idol, but there's a whole long list of presuppositions you have to work through with that question.

Protestant churches especially in the reformed tradition will emphasize an unadorned sanctuary that doesn't allow the possibility that someone looks upon an image with reference to God during worship. This is just being cautious.

There's also a secondary culture of simplicity in everything

>>846851

Also, I volunteer at a hospital, and this past Tuesday, I had just come in to do my time, when I noticed a new employee…or she noticed me. She was standing at the stoves when she noticed me. Her and I shared a glance. NOTE: I have Asperger's, and, I almost … NEVER look people in the eyes. Period. not even with my family. Later, when I returned back toward that part of the kitchen, I turned to look, and she was at the opposite end of the kitchen…staring at me… then I heard her ask one of the other workers there "who's he?'

Ever since I have her stuck on my mind? What struck me was her eyes. They were…hypnotic. And now I am tormented with lust, and can't seem to get her out of my head. What do I do, anons? I keep getting thoughts of being a father, and raising kids? I have not ben this tormented by lust in over a year.

>>846863

>Because it's not an image, it's not used as a stand in for God.

Christ uses it as a stand for himself in the Bible. Was it idolatry?

>>846872

It's made a symbol of himself and not treated as anything like worship

>>846863

>Study Notes

Those are there to keep people from getting all confused running off and forming 100s of different misunderstandings.

There are only three English Catholic Bibles, if you count the two NABs as one.

The question was which was the best Catholic Bible.

Of course, that's just bait for the Protestants to suggest all kind of Protestant Bibles. There are hundreds of those, but anon did ask for a Catholic Bible.

>>846869

Being a father and raising kids sounds like the opposite of lust, anon. I don't know how well it is to have fantasies about love/relationships, but it's certainly not lust.

>>846881

It is if becomes obsessive. I cannot get her out of my head…particularly her eyes.

>>846878

Is the Jerusalem bible any good, or should i do the NAB?

>>846892

Well, I'll be! I didn't remember that one being Catholic.

I had one a long time ago and someone kinda took it from me under threat of a beating. I remember liking it.

Thanks for the tip! I guess I'll get another Bible!

>>846893

I guess The Jerusalem bible is one to go to

Does your soul exist in multiple places at the same time like demons can (according to Catholic exorcists?) So even though your soul is consciously operating your body could it also be used by some guy in Japan as a character for his anime or even be a friend or going on adventures in someone's imagination? Would these things have effects felt by your physical body?

Maybe i am just a worldly/cold Christian, but after having found God i didn't go through a dramatic change, i still sin (an probably will always sin, no one but God can be free of sin). I often hear form people who found God that they had a dramatic change in their lifestyle, but i am the same.

>>846874

But this is what those who defend images say. This is what I'm trying to ask, what sense is there to accept one and reject the other?

>>847074

What does werewolf lore have to do with Christianity

>>847075

More than you'd think. Sadly, people will soon be asking the same question you did but about knights.

I've been reading the KJV of the bible, and i can't seem to understand it, maybe it's the old English but none of it stays with me, maybe i'm just a retard. should i just read one of those NWO translations without the old English, or just continue reading the KJV without any comprehension.

>>847420

You should definitely switch because the point of reading the bible is understanding it

There are a number of KJV alternatives if you have some theological reason to prefer a textus receptus base.

The NKJV is the most popular of these, easiest to find if you like a physical copy.

There are more niche ones that just change the word endings and replace the thees and thous

https://creationism.org/BibleUKJV/00Preface2UKJV.htm

https://www.kingjames2000.com/

I don't have any hangups about newer manuscript sources personally so I would recommend an easier translation like the CSB. It is much easier to read while sacrificing very little of formal equivalence (word for word) translation method.

Even when these newer translations deviate from the KJV or TR manuscript the other reading is given in brackets or footnotes

>>847441

I will again repeat that if one has these convictions about the superiority of the TR/majority text manuscripts they ought to keep on with the KJV and not move to an easier modern version. I recommended some KJV forks for this reason.

I could do without the insult thank you.

How do I follow Sirach better? I know my brother got into some pretty bad stuff with his friends but I still bought him lunch even though I shouldn't have. And of course like Sirach warned he was nasty to me during lunch even though I did a nice thing for him. I think I'm just too naive and eager to forgive people. I used to think Christianity valued this trait so I saw no need in fixing it but now I know the Bible says to not help the wicked and the reasons why are made obvious in reality and I need to change what I once thought was a virtue. But how do I do it? How do I be as vengeful against evil as they are against good, when my heart just wants to be kind and generous to everyone? This is an aspect of me that's proven to be even harder to change than political beliefs.

>>847442

>I will again repeat that if one has these convictions about the superiority of the TR/majority text manuscripts they ought to keep on with the KJV

Is that what you said? It doesn't seem like that's what you said before.

>I could do without the insult thank you.

If you insulted me, that would be ok. It would not be a big deal, I wouldn't even respond. But, if you are trying to get people to use other versions because they want to passively read at an elementary grade level rather than actively step up to the plate and learn, and that's going to be the reason why they should "definitely switch," then I will respond. I'm glad that you seem to agree with the points though.

>>847462

>If you insulted me, that would be ok. It would not be a big deal, I wouldn't even respond.

You're supposed to make sinners feel bad for the sin of uncharitableness so they don't do it again. So like him, I politely condemn you for that uncharitable action and logical fallacy.

>>847464

You can fight evil without using poor form. I hope you realize this. I might be too nice to people who don't deserve it but the solution isn't for me to make a habit out of screaming KYS FAGGOT to evil people. For another sin Sirach condemns is soiling your good works with foul speech. So I condemn the sin you committed not with any hurtful words but simply the intention that you will repent.

>>847465

I most certainly will not delete it. It's a perfect example of how to fight evil without stooping to its level. For I am not a simple man who engages in "rap battles" but a Christian man who holds himself to the standard God has set.

>>847466

When people spread false doctrine they should expect to be rebuked. People whine about this when it happens all the time, especially after it happens to them because it means they can't spread their lies as easily. They do not treat others the unreasonable way they demand either but instead hide passive aggressive barbs in their speech everywhere. That is why you called me evil multiple times in your post and told me to kill myself, but without giving any Scriptural justification for why I should do any of those things. See the difference here is we are dealing with a person that is passive aggressive and will not take responsibility for the side comments they make. That is not a strength but a weakness. I wasn't even originally talking to you - and I would like it if you would actually respond to any part of my posts, or else not pollute this thread with vain winds of unbiblical speech.

Proverbs 24:24-25

He that saith unto the wicked, Thou are righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.

>>840191

I know I'm responding to a several month old post, but how do I know if God has abandoned me? I've done some very bad things numerous times and I wonder sometimes if I'm just wasting my time trying to fix it.

>>847759

You're also responding to someone who openly states he is not a Christian brother on top of all of his posts

If you have saving faith you're indwelt with the spirit, if not you're not

>>847759

There's only one unforgivable sin: blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. That's where you reject God's promise of salvation.

Everything else you can get to a priest and confess. Except abortion, then usually the Priest can forgive because most bishops gave it back to the parish priests.

>b-but I'm protestant!

Huh. Well, there's the problem.

>>847761

>There's only one unforgivable sin: blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.

I tried meditation once and a thought of blasphemy against the spirit entered my mind. I didn't want it to happen but it did.

>>847762

Not every thought that enters your head is of your will. The devil HATES, ABSOLUTELY HATES mental prayer, because the soul is filled with God, whose presence he flees from

>>847765

someone in another thread posted an exorcist's channel explaining spiritual conflict and diabolical presence and it resolved a lot of turmoil for me.

I'm going to confession this week and hopefully never fall back down to where I was.

>>847785

That was me. You're welcome.

>>847786

thanks friend

Just a question, how is it this board in its highest traffic form exists on a masonic chan? I thought masons were Luciferians.

>>847842

What is masonic about this website?

>>847843

Isn't Jim a mason?

>>847847

Jim's a cuckold and a pussy is what he is

>>847921

Just study God's word instead. It is inspired by God and it tells us about his beloved Son, the only begotten Son of God.

Romans 16:19

I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

>>847921

If they actually did that then they are retarded because they have no authority over demons and just got enslaved instead. Just watch any catholic exorcist talking about everything they have to do and you will quickly realize how impossible it is to do what you are asking without compromising yourself. Practicing the occult in of itself is enough alone to bring ruin.

Mary is the one true God. All scripture is of Satan. Salvation is through works alone. Why do so many heretics deny these infallible tenets of the Faith? They are the objective Truth divinely inspired by God.

Why is God so vengeful in the OT?

>21And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. 22I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

>23And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; 24Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins. 25And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. 26And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.

>27And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; 28Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. 29And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. 30And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. 31And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. 32And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it. 33And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

>>848117

Because you're all stupid monkeys who deserve it.

>>847996

>Mary is the one true God. All scripture is of Satan. Salvation is through works alone. Why do so many heretics deny these infallible tenets of the Faith? They are the objective Truth divinely inspired by God.

That is not what the apostles teach.

>>848121

The Divine Infallible One Truth says otherwise. Mary inspired the apostles to teach She is the One True Goddess, heretic.

>>848127

You cannot debate the infallible. You lose.

>>847996

this is heresy

the one true god is lenin

I have confession scheduled for this week. I'm dreading it. I feel like I wont be forgiven.

Ever since I started using 4chan I've been feeling more like a sissy. It stopped getting worse after I quit that horrible place but my old assertive self still hasn't come back yet. I feel like their weird autism sorcery turned my soul female. I'm certain there are some Christian books/websites about regaining masculinity out there. Does anyone know any good ones? I feel like I'm trapped in a machine that doesn't want to function.

How do I know if a voice is from god or not, or if its my mind playing tricks on me?

>>850174

The better question is "How were the crusades not lawful? God ordered many crusades himself in the old testament. Jesus Christ himself resorted to violence when the rabbis were desecrating the temple. What excuse do you have for not employing violence against threats to the church?

The Bible says that a man who doesn't provide for his family is worse than a non-believer. Providing for your family include providing safety and if you have to use violence to ensure your family's safety it is not only your right but your God-given duty. Now apply this to your spiritual family, all of Christendom. The crusades were wars for the purpose of protecting God's Kingdom and his people. How anyone could find fault with the idea is beyond me.

>>850177

>boo hoo The Catholic Church is evil because they wouldn't tolerate fake religions.

If any denomination is the whore of babylon, it's the baptist church because they value modernist bulls— like equality, and tolerance and personal freedom over The Law of God.

>>850179

>personal freedom over The Law of God.

Ffs Christianity of any denom suffers under authoritarianism, including Catholic Poland. It's not like the Libertarian US was incapable of forming an army against the British. You can still have your Crusade without shilling for a communist nightmare world.

>>850180

>Ffs Christianity of any denom suffers under authoritarianism

Did it suffer under King David who enforced blasphemy laws didn't respect every human's right to believe whatever they wanted?

>>850181

YES, God detailed exactly why choosing a king was bad and warned them of what they would lose. Did you even read the Bible?

>>850174

The crusades were about retaking former byzantine lands from muslim opression.

Read Pope Urban's speech, no matter the version.

The implementation was a fiasco, however.

>>850177

And here we have once again the landmarkist with his tiny fragments of books with long-winded latin titles that he's never read, and sometimes don't even exist, that he copy-pasted off somewhere, to sound legit.

>>850188

The two quoted books can be found here:

https://archive.org/details/abbregchronolo03mz/mode/2up

https://archive.org/details/caesariiheister04stragoog/page/n312/mode/2up

Thanks for giving me an excuse to post the links.

>The crusades were about retaking former byzantine lands from muslim opression.

That's a toddler-level overview. You do not know the first thing about history based on what I have seen you write.

It was about mystery babylon giving indulgence to men and absolving them from dues of society and oath of allegiance, indeed even giving them permission on papal approval to commit sins. Starting in 1099 the papal crown became like a dust magnet for responsibility for crimes, anyone could just say they got written approval to absolve them from all oaths. People took a cross upon themselves and that allowed them to do whatever they want, regardless of whether or not they actually did military service or went anywhere. Many crusades were for attacking Christian towns and Europeans, such as the Albigensian crusade that had nothing to do with Byzantium or muslims. These were waged against European rulers like Raymond V of Toulouse. There were many brief military actions such as several French invasions of English that fell in the same category. Eventually, the pope lost his mediator status and its prestige among worldly rulers fell as he was a very perfidious and untrustworthy ruler to ally with. All he did was encourage subversion and disloyal rebellions.

Here is a better description of these incidences from a historical legal perspective:

>“[L]et us now return to the statutes of praemunire, which were framed to encounter this overgrown yet increasing evil.

>“King Edward I., a wise and magnanimous prince, set himself in earnest to shake off this servile yoke. He would not suffer his bishops to attend a general council, till they had sworn not to receive the papal benediction. He made light of all papal bulles and processes: attacking Scotland in defiance of one: and seizing the temporalities of his clergy, who under pretence of another refused to pay a tax imposed by parliament. He strengthened the statutes of mortmain; thereby closing the great gulph, in which all the lands of the kingdom were in danger of being swallowed. And, one of his subjects having obtained a bulle of excommunication against another, he ordered him to be executed as a traitor, according to the antient law.(6) And in the thirty-fifth year of his reign was made the first statute against papal provisions, being, according to sir Edward Coke, the foundation of all subsequent statutes of praemunire, which we rank as an offence immediately against the king, because every encouragement of the papal power is a diminution of the authority of the crown.

>(6) But because that lawe had not of long time beene put in execution, the chancellor and treasurer kneeled before the king, and obtained grace for him, so as he was onely banished out of the realme.

>“In the weak reign of Edward the second the pope again endeavored to encroach, but the parliament manfully withstood him; and it was one of the principal articles charged against that unhappy prince, that he had given allowance to the bulles of the see of Rome. But Edward the third was of a temper extremely different: and to remedy these inconveniences first by gentle means, he and his nobility wrote an expostulation to the pope; but receiving a menacing and contemptuous answer, withal acquainting him, that the emperor, (who a few years before at the diet of Nuremberg, A.D. 1323, had established a law against provisions,) and also the king of France, had lately submitted to the holy see; the king replied, that if both the emperor and the French king should take the pope’s part, he was ready to give battle to them both, in defence of the liberties of the crown. Hereupon more sharp and penal laws were devised against provisors, which enact severally, that the court of Rome shall not present or collate to any bishoprick or living in England; and that whoever disturbs any patron in the presentation to a living by virtue of a papal provision, such provisor shall pay fine and ransom to the king at his will, and be imprisoned till he renounces such provision; and the same punishment is inflicted on such as cite the king, or any of his subjects, to answer in the court of Rome.

>>850188

(cont'd)

>“In the reign of Richard the second, it was found necessary to sharpen and strengthen these laws, and therefore it was enacted by statutes 3 Ric. II. c. 3. and 7 Ric. II. c. 12. first, that no alien should be capable of letting his benefice to farm; in order to compel such as had crept in, at least to reside on their preferments: and, afterwards, that no alien should be capable to be presented to any ecclesiastical preferment, under the penalty of the statutes of provisors. By the statute 12 Ric. II. c. 15. all liegemen of the king, accepting of a living by any foreign provision, are put out of the king’s protection, and the benefices made void. To which the statute 13 Ric. II. st. 2. c. 2. adds banishment and forfeiture of lands and goods: and by c. 3. of the same statute, any person bringing over any citation or excommunication from beyond sea, on account of the execution of the foregoing statutes of provisors, shall be imprisoned, forfeit his goods and lands, and moreover suffer pain of life and member.

>“In the writ for the execution of all these statutes the words praemunire facias, being (as we said) used to command a citation of the party, have denominated in common speech not only the writ, but the offence itself of maintaining the papal power, by the name of praemunire. And accordingly the next statute I shall mention, which is generally referred to by all subsequent statutes, is usually called the statute of praemunire. It is the statute 16 Ric. II. c. 5. which enacts, that whoever procures at Rome, or elsewhere, any translations, processes, excommunications, bulles, instruments, or other things, which touch the king, against him, his crown, and realm, and all persons aiding and assisting therein, shall be put out of the king’s protection, their lands and goods forfeited to the king’s use, and they shall be attached by their bodies to answer to the king and his council: or process of praemunire facias shall be made out against them as in other cases of provisors.

>“By the statute 2 Hen. IV. c. 3. all persons who accept any provision from the pope, to be exempt from canonical obedience to their proper ordinary, are also subjected to the penalties of praemunire. And this is the last of our antient statutes touching this offence; the usurped civil power of the bishop of Rome being pretty well broken down by these statutes, as his usurped religious power was in about a century afterwards. . .

In: Sir William Blackstone,

Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765), Book 4, Ch. VIII, pp. 109-112.

>>850184

The Israelites didn't lose anything under King David. "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." The very FIRST of The Ten Commandments is in direct opposition to religious liberty. Commandment #3 says "Thou shalt take The Lord's name in vain." So obviously, God doesn't support your 'right' to say whatever you want.

God is an authoritarian.

>>850216

>>850217

>because every encouragement of the papal power is a diminution of the authority of the crown.

Seems more like the King is just trying to erase The Church so he can be the supreme authority instead of God.

Typical of protestants and baptists to declare themselves better authorities and theologians than God.

>>850240

also I mistyped the 3rd commandment

>Thou shalt NOT take The Lord's name in vain

>>850240

>the ten commandments say do not lie

>this obviously means have an authoritarian state God warned against listen to everyone through hidden microphones and penalize them every time someone fails a fact check and is totally not simply a moral imperative on the individual level

>>850241

>Typical of protestants and baptists to declare themselves better authorities and theologians than God.

Every idle word, anon. Tell us where anyone said that or expect to be held accountable at some point for what you are implying.

What I posted was simply a quote showing why people had to protect themselves from a subversive entity. It would be no different than if Stalin had communist agents in our country trying to undermine it from the inside and tell everyone to start breaking the law and be rewarded by the communists with well paying jobs for doing so.

Obviously that kind of lawless behavior should be stopped by force of law.

>Seems more like the King is just trying to erase The Church so he can be the supreme authority instead of God.

Hey I'm just telling you what Blackstone wrote. What you think about their reasoning for doing what they do is none of my problem to explain, because the CoE also killed many baptists in the timeframe of ~1401-1688, but that is another story. There has never been a baptist state church. This is by design. That's only going to be when the Lord returns.

>>850216

>The two quoted books can be found here:

I didn't say it's impossible for them to exist(though some others you posted were inexistant), i said you didn't read them, just found a tiny fragment on some quote block on some landmarkist site, and ran with it.

And yes, the guy i replied to was talking about the MENA crusades, but of course you had to somehow tie it into larping as western med heretics.

And yes, bishops and kings had interesting friction after the establishment of the germanic kingdoms.

It's actually a fascinating subject.

One of the reasons the Reformation caught on in countries bordering the North Sea.

>>850293

Because sin is willful action against God, not chance. God has such power as sovereign oved the cosmos but deliberately gives free will, which includes human liberty to sin.

I disagree with the notion that chance does not exist personally. Tangentially, there's a different Baptist confession which says there's no such thing as luck which is a better statement

>>850296

(Posting from my phone)

So God permits everything, but he does not desire everything?

>>850282

>I didn't say it's impossible for them to exist

I did not say you said that.

>i said you didn't read them, just found a tiny fragment on some quote block on some landmarkist site, and ran with it.

Would it matter if I did? What would you do if I did? What is the point of bringing this up and does it negate the validity of the quote?

>though some others you posted were inexistant

Ok, I would actually like to know this. What did I post that did not exist? If there was something I posted that was nonexistent I would like to get rid of it. I would like to say upfront though, I do not think there is.

>And yes, the guy i replied to was talking about the MENA crusades

Alright, how to you know he was exclusively talking about them? He said crusades in his post. Are you a mind reader? is he someone you spoke to about this in real life and he told you that offline? how exactly do you know that?

>And yes, bishops and kings had interesting friction after the establishment of the germanic kingdoms.

I know well about this history, and have provided far more documentary proof so far to independently establish it, concrete writings which exists regardless of my views on it. So far this has mostly been people just posting what they think, based on probably what people around them said, not on anything substantial and tangible like documentary research.

That is fine with me, but it is least charitable to complain when someone exceeds that standard, and hardly reasonable. Especially when I was trying to answer the man's question that he posted on here and hopefully it helped establish some things.

>>850296

>God has such power as sovereign oved the cosmos but deliberately gives free will, which includes human liberty to sin.

I disagree with the notion that chance does not exist personally.

That's not even Baptist theology. That's Pelagian which is heretical. Humans always sin without the grace of God.

>>850242

Failing a fact check would not be the same as lying because lying implies malicious/deceptive intent. Lying is technically illegal in the modern day and time anyways, false advertisement is a punishable crime in The United States.

And you still never answered the question of why God made so many laws that violate human rights if he's a live-and-let-live hippie like you seem to think he is.

>>850244

King Henry hated the Catholic Church because it put a damper on his own influence and restricted what he was allowed to do. After England left The Catholic Church he declared himself the head of the church of England. In essence declaring himself a superior religious leader than the preisthood that Christ himself created. Baptists do the same thing by simply interpreting the scriptures however they please.

>>850345

>King Henry hated the Catholic Church

Credibility lost

>>850345

>In essence declaring himself a superior religious leader than the preisthood that Christ himself created.

Nope. That's not the priesthood Christ created, it is what Constantine created.

>Baptists do the same thing

Also not true. True believing Christians were never part of the priesthood Constantine created, but the true church remains indeed always separate and apart from the doings of those men.

>by simply interpreting the scriptures however they please.

That's what the pope does. Him, and every self-declared pope, are the antichrist. They are no different in any way than Joseph Smith, Arius or Mohammad.

The only difference is the location, although in Arius case it was the same location. They are all false prophets seeking to undo Scripture and place themselves in their vanity at the top. You do not find any mention of these men in Scripture, other than as fulfilling the role of false prophets. Glad I could have the chance to clarify that.

Why is cuckchan moderation so corrupt and why did this board suffer mod tyranny so intensely before 8chan went down? Does the imageboard format empower corrupt moderation? I recall when I first started using 4chan I noticed people who type like mods from other sites seemed like they felt extremely energetic and empowered there.

Can homosexuals be saved if they turn away from their sinful life and become straight? I know that the Bible says for them to be put to death, but conversion therapy was pushed by mostly Christian organizations. I'm not saying that the Bible calls for conversion, just that many Christians at one point believed that homosexuals could be made somewhat righteous.

>>850349

>Nope. That's not the priesthood Christ created, it is what Constantine created.

I guess the book of Acts is just lies then.

>True believing Christians were never part of the priesthood Constantine created, but the true church remains indeed always separate and apart from the doings of those men.

I agree because Constantine never created a priesthood.

>>by simply interpreting the scriptures however they please.

>That's what the pope does.

Assuming this is true, and that the ecumenical councils never happened, you still never explained how this is different from what Baptists do.

Does anyone have that infographic comparing the historical citations of Jesus and the Bible to other historical events, with there being a lot more citations for the existence of Jesus than other events?

Were the aristocrats during the Colonial and slave owner era Christians? I know that the founding fathers we in secret societies so they couldn't have been truly Christian. And the slave owners followed the bible.

>>850666

The founding fathers were christian or assumed a Christian worldview. Being in a secret society is bad practice but not necessarily apostasy.

Wallbuilders is a good resource for this topic

I know that abolitionists were evangelical generally, and that slaveholders were disproportionately jewish

>>850382

>bible says for them to be put to death

Jesus himself refuted the spirit of many OT laws in the Gospel. We don't condone death or punishment for sin anymore, because Jesus took that role for us. You need to understand the work of the Savior first. Homosexuality is an abomination towards God, but true repentance and turning away from the lifestyle is what you need to do. In the bible, magic is also called an abomination, but that didn't stop Phillip from baptizing a sorcerer who repented. We are all saved through the power and glory of Jesus Christ IF and only if we truly believe in him.That means denying ourselves and the things of this world, dying to worldly sin, taking up our cross, and renewing ourselves through the Savior. You need to make Jesus an active part of your life. God is a merciful and personal God.

If you really are gay, and you can't change it by yourself, perhaps you were called to celibacy. Conversion therapy doesn't work and is harmful. You need to pray, and see what God has in store for you.

From the thing you said about "knowing" that the Bible says for gays to be put to death, it seems like you have a big, although unfortunately common, misunderstanding of the difference between OT covenant and NT covenant. I URGE you with the utmost sincerity to start reading the Gospel, which is the first 4 books of the New Testament. Your salvation is at stake.In those books you will learn the true purpose of the Savior, and why Old Testament law doesn't apply.

It only takes a few minutes a day to discover the truth, which has been so graciously given to us, not because we deserve it, but because God loves us.

So on the subject of the ruling elite and their satanic ways, would they be as elite if their money was removed from them? If they didn't have money they wouldn't get away with their evil acts. Unless you have an example of influential and poor satanists.

>>849066

What is programmed into you by the world cannot be undone but through God. Call upon Him for healing and start reading His word. God is the cure for all worldly unrighteousness. Pornography is the work of Satan, and it's particularly dangerous in this day and age. Porn is a perversion of a divine gift meant for married couples and should not be viewed, thought about, or sought after unless in the proper context. It is adultery, male or female. Read the Word and pray for help. Humble yourself and realize you can't do anything without Him.

>>850670

I do have a porn problem, but i have been reading the bible, I'm still on the old testament. I pray every night and at every meal.

>>846891

>>846881

Anyone who looks on a woman with lust in their heart has already committed adultery with her. Desire is not right outside of marriage, but it is better to marry than to burn with passion. However, most people can control their lust. Pray and submit yourself to God.

>>850671

>>850670

oh wow, i though you replied to my second post lol whoops, not that anon.

>>850671

Please, please, PLEASE read the New Testament first. I am BEGGING you. The Old Testament is very important, because it is ALL divine writing, BUT, the fact is, the New Testament is the most pertinent to your salvation. The New Testament is the most important part of the Christian bible. The Old Testament is essentially there to provide proof of the New Testament Savior, Jesus Christ, through confirmation of lineage and prophecy mostly. This is why the New Testament is so often referred to as the good news! The Jewish Old Testament law is dead, because we have received a savior as an ultimate, FINAL sacrifice for ALL sins. The Old Testament shows to us that we are sinful creatures and cannot attain salvation by ourselves. It is only through the Son, Jesus Christ, that we can achieve eternal life. We no longer have to give sacrifices, or stone people, because Jesus effectively suffered all of that for us, for everyone, for all eternity. Read the New Testament anon.

>>850674

I was told by my father that there is something special about reading the bible cover to cover, but i'll take your advice seriously and read the NT first.

>>841361

There's actually a really cool collection of about 4 books where Jesus Christ himself calls out Jews, but you don't want to see that because you don't actually care about the spiritual hypocrisy of the Jews, you'd rather be racist and hateful and propagate right-wing conspiracy because all of this aligns with your political identity and furthers it. We should be seeking to please God. Stop seeking out reasons to be angry. I used to do that, and still do occasionally, but I realize it's not good for me, and it's not what God wants me to do. I'm not going to argue any more of this, but please, read scripture. I don't mean to patronize you, but there are better things we can do as Christians than affirm worldly political views by perverting the message of God.

>>850675

I don't doubt that there is something special, and I would recommend that to you after you've digested the Gospel, but the fact is, nobody knows the day or the hour in which Christ will come. Jesus, through parable, calls for us to be ready at any given time, which means making sure that we've truly understood His word. Salvation lies with Jesus, not in the old Jewish law, which is why it's so so important to read the New Testament before anything else. Secure your salvation first by putting your faith in the Lord, so that you know you will have eternal life. Then you can discover everything else God has for you.

>>850677

Okay, i'll read the OT after reading the NT first.

>>850668

A lot of things in the Old Testament hold true today and represent things that will always be true.

Yes, some of the things especially about Moses' law (the ritual and civil law parts) are fulfilled in a better way now that Christ has come. Not that they were abolished but that they were/are fulfilled because they meant to signify what Christ would be doing. But even those still often represent things that are still true to this day. Like Paul said, the Law was a schoolmaster meant to bring them to Christ. I like looking through the law and seeing principles that still hold true today. I like when I see more foreshadowing that wasn't there before. I am more sure now than I have been before that God can use his word to teach us. It is not limited to those things you or I can imagine. But I should say, the civil law, for one while it is not binding or obligatory - it only was during the tabernacle/judges/kingdom period - it still does represent just punishments. Even the ritual/ceremonial law which was about maintaining complete separation (which it turns out no one was good enough to actually achieve) shows us how important it was that Christ come to be the one to fulfill all the Law and stresses just how impossible it is for men without God. A lot of Scripture is about raising the right questions, like why were the Israelites required to do this, which later on Scripture also answers. Sometimes you learn from having read the Old Testament first. It says a lot of things that are timeless and do not need to be repeated again.

But most of all, Jesus did not "refute" much less "refute the spirit" of any Old Testament law. He was the only perfect fulfillment of it, and we should read it being amazed at the things he must have been able to accomplish, knowing all of this. As a man who "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15).

>>850683

We can be technical about the Old Testament all day, and you probably have more knowledge about it than I do honestly, but I'd rather make sure someone has their salvation secured and has a personal connection with Jesus before they make any conclusions from the law of Moses, or even worse, stop reading and have that be their impression of Christianity. The OT should be a supplement to the NT. When I said "refute", I more so meant in a general sense that a lot of them don't apply anymore. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees when they tried to be legalistic about unclean food. A whole theme of the Gospel was Jesus essentially showing that the Old Testament law, one way or another, is mostly dead because of Him. That's what I'm trying to convey here in a very basic way, to someone who needs to set their priorities differently. Again, no man knows the day or the hour. We should don our wedding garments first, then we can discuss everything else.

>>850692

>before they make any conclusions from the law of Moses, or even worse, stop reading and have that be their impression of Christianity.

Well, you should realize that it's not up to you to decide but that God is in control, so believers in the Lord should do their part to promote his word trusting that God will show them the way; and that with God, anything is possible. If a person needs this to be saved, I believe God is going to provide that. As it says 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

I do not limit the number of ways in which the Lord can work through exposure to his word. I simply call to mind every part of the whole counsel of God. Like Paul says Acts 20:27 "For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God."

>When I said "refute", I more so meant in a general sense that a lot of them don't apply anymore.

They do apply to the people who they refer to. The Law applies in a number of ways. It shows that no man can be righteous of his own. God can use that to teach us this. It shows that the people from whom Christ came were separated, and the signification of it is mentioned as well: the purpose of all that was to keep the line of Christ clear. We learn that in the New Testament. That helps explain why genealogies only matter when it comes to Christ. Due to his fulfillment of the prophecies made of old as a sign given by God. It is a deliberate sign.

If God will have someone find all that out, I say let him guide them. I trust the plan of God in keeping his entire word in one more than I trust myself.

>Jesus rebuked the Pharisees when they tried to be legalistic about unclean food.

Not only were they being legalistic, but they were being legalistic about commandments that they had made up which were not even part of the written law. Jesus tells them in Mark 7:13 that they have made the word of God of none effect, nullified it in other words, that they may keep their tradition which they have delivered.

>"A whole theme of the Gospel was Jesus essentially showing that the Old Testament law, one way or another, is mostly dead because of Him."

More like it is fulfilled. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Matthew 5:17.

>We should don our wedding garments first, then we can discuss everything else.

I believe that the Lord has provided time exactly for the purpose that the lost will return before judgment has to be executed. I do not believe that He would bring the end sooner than is absolutely necessary because his decisionmaking is infinitely wise. But he could have read the sentence of judgment out on all of us beforehand, yet he apparently refrained and if you want to know why you should study his word. It says that God is longsuffering and not willing that any should perish but that all should come to the knowledge of the truth.

Is it true that God doesn't answer the prayers of degenerates/sinner? Is there biblical evidence for this?

>>850864

>Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

Wow that is pretty precises .

What's a graceful way for a strict Christian to tell creeps on the internet to stop talking about sex and body parts?

>>850992

I don't see a need to be graceful rather that straightforward

>>850992

Friends or non-friends?

>>851001

Non-friends, in a forum much more active than this one.

>>851022

I think the best course of action is just to filter (if you can) or not read posts by those specific people. You can't stop people on the internet from being degenerate trash, but you can choose how to respond to it, and that is to not feed them. I get people on other image boards who love to offend Christians but offending them or reacting to their offensive words or images makes them happy, so it's better to just not react. I guess that if you had to give a respounce i'd say to display pity.

>>851067

Not completely cringe.

>>851067

Your obvious datamining is cringe.

>>851076

Well this is a honeypot so your data is already compromised. I was just asking because I've never seen or heard anyone else with this Christian background.

Also, if said denomination IS based, then I wouldn't mind having a flag.

>>851084

I am really interested in this church, I've never heard of it. You should make a thread to tell us your experience

Is it true that the Roman authorities wanted to let Jesus go, but the jewish religious authorities pushed for crucifixion?

>>852289

>is the Gospel of Saint John Chapter 19 true.

Absolutely true.

>>852289

Now when Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but rather that a riot was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this Man’s blood; you yourselves shall see.”

anyone else get really nervous when going to confession. Ive been having a hard time confessing masturbation but i think im ready to

Why are people mean when I'm nice and nice when I'm mean? Curse you btw, now you have to be nice to me or you're not a normal person.

>>852311

Do you mean on image boards? I think it's a macho thing, people see how far they can push others before they stand up for themselves.

>>852313

Not really, more just a general human thing. If I'm nice to my mother she gets all critical and nitpicky, but if I'm visibly mad about something she gets all nice. It's the same way with my boss at work too. They just seem to reward anger and punish kindness, which is a really dumb thing for them to do because they're conditioning people to be angry around them.

>>852315

I think it's also that people are more willing to confide in "nice" seeming people, and when people are mad it's all about the feelings of the angry. I also have this sort of dynamic with male friends who try to "play the dozens" with me.I don't really have any solutions other than to find those who aren't into that, and try to find a healthy balance of both.

So if everything good comes from God, then if we sin, will we get less good things? How does Jesus's sacrifice factor into this?

Is it safe to say that because of Revelation 3:16 that God would rather someone be an atheist than a lukewarm Christian?

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

>>854352

No

>>854352

The haydock commentary says that it is better to be a big time sinner than a lukewarm christian because the greatly sinful are closer to true repentance. Lots of people I know are okay with gay marriage, fornication outside of marriage, divorce etc, but think it's no big deal and because their life is comfortable they so real need to change their life. People who live really sinful lives can tell their life is a total mess and are more likely to convert and make a radical change.

It's not that in the end it's better to die a sinner. St Faustina said that the Lord said to her the greatest pain that caused him to sweat blood in the agony of the garden was because of the lukewarm because they are so hard to reach

Do I upset God by listening to Slayer?

Please don't laugh, I mean it seriously. I was taught by the catechesis that sin is an intentional disobedience of God's word, so does that mean that I am all good if my intent is not to demean God or commit blasphemy but rather to appreciate the music from an artistic viewpoint?

>>854661

anything not done in faith is sin so yes

>>846553

>It's the only Catholic position.

Doesn't the Catholic Church affirm the legitimacy of governments?

>Ancient Israel before they disobeyed God and asked for a king was anarchic.

Not sure if you read the book of Judges, but that wasn't exactly the best of times for Israel.

>>855603

Obviously, He foreknew what she was going to say. Carry on, sir.

>>855604

Clearly being loyal to a mate is of importance for everlasting life, else He wouldn't even have mentioned it.

>>841907

>>841907

What book should I buy to learn more? I only know about how Aquinas proved it’s possible for creation to have started with God rather than an infinite amount of creators creating new creations and creators… if that makes sense. Saw it years ago on /pol/. I’d love to read more.

Where did everyone go? Was there ever anbody on this board to begin with?

>>842056

>I disagree that hell is eternal. With how merciful, loving, and forgiving God is, why would anyone believe such a thing?

Human souls are eternal. After you die, your soul will leave your body and face god. If you sinned during your lifetime, you soul is tarnished and you cannot be with god. This state of exclusion from god's presence is the greatest of all torments, because god is the source of all holiness.

If you were righteous during your lifetime and followed god, he will let your soul be with the heavenly host, and you will be able to "see" god personally (the beatific vision). Being able to gaze at and worship the greatest of all divine beings for eternity is the ultimate reward for a faithful, righteous life.

"Time" as we know it simply means change. Because humans are made from matter+energy, and matter+energy is constantly changing, we experience time. Beings that do not change (souls, angels etc.) do not experience time. When your soul leaves your body, you stop experiencing "time" as we know it and you face the consequences of whatever state your soul is in at your death (sin or righteousness) for eternity.

>Are most Christians really okay with never seeing the majority of the people they know and love ever again?

Even if the majority of people you know are not Christian, that doesn't mean that they will not one day see the truth. There have been cases in which Jesus and mary appeared to people in a vision, so it could also mean that Jesus or mary might visit someone on their deathbed and let them see the light.

I pray that my atheist grandfather is with god and that he knew god before he passed away.

Rev 21:4 states that there will be no more death, mourning, crying, or pain.

>>842056

>I disagree that hell is eternal. With how merciful, loving, and forgiving God is, why would anyone believe such a thing?

Human souls are eternal. After you die, your soul will leave your body and face god. If you sinned during your lifetime, you soul is tarnished and you cannot be with god. This state of exclusion from god's presence is the greatest of all torments, because god is the source of all holiness.

If you were righteous during your lifetime and followed god, he will let your soul be with the heavenly host, and you will be able to "see" god personally (the beatific vision). Being able to gaze at and worship the greatest of all divine beings for eternity is the ultimate reward for a faithful, righteous life.

"Time" as we know it simply means change. Because humans are made from matter+energy, and matter+energy is constantly changing, we experience time. Beings that do not change (souls, angels etc.) do not experience time. When your soul leaves your body, you stop experiencing "time" as we know it and you face the consequences of whatever state your soul is in at your death (sin or righteousness) for eternity.

>Are most Christians really okay with never seeing the majority of the people they know and love ever again?

Even if the majority of people you know are not Christian, that doesn't mean that they will not one day see the truth. There have been cases in which Jesus and mary appeared to people in a vision, so it could also mean that Jesus or mary might visit someone on their deathbed and let them see the light.

I pray that my atheist grandfather is with god and that he knew god before he passed away.

Rev 21:4 states that there will be no more death, mourning, crying, or pain.