/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

It depends on which one you ask. Each one will find different sources that give conflicting conclusions since there is no one final authority.

>>831086

Each would have an easier time converting the other to their own side than they would a witch, a Gnostic, a Jew, an atheist, or a Muslim.

The biggest "obstacle" (which is no obstacle at all) has already been achieved: They're talking to someone who believes in the same Christ. I think they should keep that in perspective and actually rejoice, but that's just me.

>>831086

both protestant, catholic, orthodox have plausible interpretations of the bible, i cant call them non-christian, i just think catholic interpretation is more 'probable', not a certainty just probable compared to others, i was born into catholicism and have no compelling reason to leave even after investigating other churches.

Are muslims even theists since they worship a being invented by an evil spirit, a being that doesn't exist in reality.

I guess I would call them atheists objectively.

>>831109

I see them as the worst of the heretics. Not pagans. They borrow some imagery from ancient Arab paganism, but the religion of Muhammad itself is a distortion of the Church. It got a lot of it's ideas from groups like the Arians, Gnostics, and apocryphal texts. For example, they believe in Jesus, but they believe he didn't really get crucified and was only "mistaken" to be dead. This heresy comes from the Gnostics first.

>>831114

This.

>If you have been validly baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you are a Christian.

>If you believe in the tenets of the Nicene Creed, you share in the fundamental beliefs of a Christian.

>If you do not believe in the canon dogmas of the Catholic Church, you are a fallen-away Christian or Christian heretic, but still Christian as long as you don't apostatize.

As a Protestant Christian who follows the Bible and has a relationship with Jesus, I'm glad my religion is being validated by people who confess their sins to priests instead of the Jesus, build monuments, altars and statues to men and worship, I mean, venerate Mary regardless of the fact Jesus slapped that idea down each time raised in the Bible.

Truly, I am ecstatic my religious convictions have been tried and found lacking by those who killed a man for trying to translate the Bible to English, who believe Jesus' death wasn't enough and more.

Indeed, I am proud. Indeed.

>>831145

You say you follow the But ignore that the authority to forgive sins was given to the Apostles and not to you.

No confession. No penance. Just sin boldly because Christ died so you can sin.

It's the selective reading of the Bible that gets me.

>>831149

> the authority to forgive sins was given to the Apostles and not to you.

https://carm.org/john2023-priests-forgive-sins

>sin boldly

In my experience anyone who uses this talking point is not interested in honest discussion

>>831150

Oh, I see where you're going with this… only God can forgive sins ergo skip the priest.

But Holy Orders gives them the Holy Ghost, God in the Third person.

The power to forgive does reside with God, not man.

Stop thinking you can say "Whelp, that was a fun fornication with the whore after I robbed the bank. Thanks be to God for forgiving my sins!"

That's not how it works.

>>831161

>Do you deny that Luther, the founder of all protestant religions, said this?

No, and I don't agree with it like very many things Luther said. Nobody supports it. Even in context it's not good.

Your fallacy is falsely attributing this phrase as a belief of all Protestants.

If you want to quote mine there's a lot of pretty bad examples from Roman Catholic Popes, who actually do represent their constituents.

Lutheranism is the particular tradition of Luther and from day one it has been the book of concord that defined Lutheran faith, not Luther's utterances.

>>831166

Are you blogging now or is there a miscommunication? I didn't say anything about papal infallibility

>>831171

You

>Are you blogging now or is there a miscommunication? I didn't say anything about papal infallibility

Also You just before

>If you want to quote mine there's a lot of pretty bad examples from Roman Catholic Popes, who actually do represent their constituents.

Thus, I point out that not everything that a Pope says is Catholic teaching.

You turn that into another Ad hom.

I get it, I remind you that there is no easy way to escape sin, that if we love our Lord we have to give up sin. But you hate the idea of confession, you hate the Catholic idea of the sacrament of Penance, and you hate me.

I'm used to it. Have a nice day, I need to say a rosary.

>>831173

Look in a mirror sometime

>>831179

Again, Protestants who Profess the Nicene Creed are Christians

That's by definition of Christian. Catholics, both old and new, don't dispute that. So that's settles the Op's question

Being Christian doesn't guarantee you Heaven, however

I point out your ad homs and errors and you… make another ad hom and pretend I'm a hypocrite.

I get the whole cognitive dissonance thing but it remains:

1. Our sins make Christ suffer i.e. the burden of the cross

2. Christ only gave the Apostles the power to forgive sins.

3. The Apostles passed that power to others via the sacrament of Holy Orders.

4. We can't just forgive ourselves; we have to repent our sins, confess to those Christ empowered to forgive our sins and do penance. That's hard, and most people don't want to do that. I get it, but it's part of not offending the Lord and Loving our Lord.

>>831163

You must be retarded.

>>831184

Now, if you were catholic, you'd have to confess that because of the 8th commandment against false witness.

But instead, as a protestant, you can just blow off such untruths by saying God forgives you.

Anyone who believes in the Nicene creed is a Christian. That excludes some protestants.

Most protestants and even SDAs have wandered after the pagan Rome cult.

>>831107

>i just think catholic interpretation is more 'probable',

How? 86.2% of catholic practices are extrabiblical.

https://www.john1429.org/videosORIG/vaticancommercialunplugged.mp4

>>831166

The catholic church wasn't created by Jesus and Peter was not the first pope.

https://www.john1429.org/videosORIG/vaticancommercialunplugged.mp4

https://www.remnantofgod.org/sola-scriptura.htm

https://www.remnantofgod.org/pope1.htm

https://www.remnantofgod.org/anti-Jesus.htm

I pray you catholics will at least watch that video. I don't know how to get through to you cultists. Someone points out your unbiblical practices or the words of your own church and leaders https://www.remnantofgod.org/beastword.htm and you just deny it all.

And get rid of that damned sun worship graven image of Cesare Borgia, one of the pope's homosexual illegitimate children. That is not Jesus and that halo/sun behind the head is sun worship.

>>831086

Hi Op. Strangely, none of the Catholics on here have even read their own Catechism.

Per the Catholic Catechism:

>Whoever confesses the Nincene Creed is a Christian

>Catholics should pray with their “separated brethren” should fellowship with them

>It is entirely possible for Protestants to go to heaven, though it will be more difficult without the sacraments.

Anyone who tells you otherwise, or who is clinging to sone ancient local decrees and quotations, is themselves not a true Catholic in communion with Rome

>>831236

So far every professed catholic answer to this question has been mutually incomprehensible with the next, yet they have all drawn on what they viewed as valid source. The problem is they are all relying on fallible sources and not even giving Biblical answers. None of their answers are Biblical. They haven't even once mentioned the Bible, not a single sorry one of them. It's like talking to any pseudo-Christian splinter sect that entirely bases itself from its own manmade sayings.

>>831199

This. I don't know why some people think they have to watch hour long videos and read a whole bunch of Hate screed against Catholics to know what Catholics believe Christians are.

>>831234

>The catholic church wasn't created by Jesus and Peter was not the first pope.

Bible says Christ established his church on Saint Peter. There's a line of success from Peter on down. Sometimes there were multiple Popes and we can debate which one was the true Pope, but the line exists.

>Someone points out your unbiblical practices

Amazing. You deny the Bible, and then claim I have to point to where in the Bible it says God Created his Church on Saint Peter. This is textbook Cognitive bias… you absolutely refuse to see.

>>831242

>waah hate waaaah

Fine, go to hell then. Just remember it's your choice.

>>831227

>>831228

Who is the Whore of Babylon?

http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/the-whore-of-babylon.html

Why Roman Catholicism is Not Christianity

https://www.biblebc.com/Roman%20Catholicism/roman_cath_main.htm

>>831243

>but the line exists.

Except not. The catholic church didn't even start for centuries after the resurrection of Christ. You'd know this if you simply watched that short 24 minute video I posted (which you could put on 1.25 -1.5x speed). You're too busy crying "hate" when someone shows you the truth in LOVE to consider any of that though.

>>831243

>Amazing. You deny the Bible

You're such a scum liar. I'm done with you Satan.

>>831247

Your conversation partner can't argue in good faith, so I wouldn't bother

>>831246

>idols are not false gods

>the prohibition against idols is not contained within the prohibition against false gods

>coveting a person's spouse is the same as coveting someone's property

>because wives are property

This is your mind on Protestantism.

>>831244

This is laughable. You have not read the early fathers, you have not read the saints and the doctors and you certainly have never picked up a bile that wasn't butchered byt your protty press. You literally just cursed someone and then you want to call yourself Christian. Have you actually ever looked for the truh aboui catholicism or do you just reapet what pastor bob has been hammering into you since you were a kid.?

>>831247

How about reading the Church fathers and going to the source rather than watching YT videos for your theology? Read early church history and you will see they were most definitely catholic. It's all there but you don;t want to see it due to your pride. INcidently, thats what God hates the most.

>>831265

I don't get this brothers in Christ ecumenical stuff. I think you have more chance in dialoguing with a mild atheist than you do with a protestant. At least Atheists had the snese to abandon ship rather than stay and drill holes in the bottom of the hull. They literally weaken the Church of Christ and i can't think of a worse enemey than someone who woudl subvert and disobey the Lord HImself. They will talk out of context bible verses all day but none of them actually obey th Lord.

>>831269

>>831266

>>831267

calm down

>>831267

The flaw in what you state is very simple, searching out the early church fathers. Do you remember the confrontation of Paul to Peter? Yes? So, the supposed head of the Catholic Church is wrong here, which indicates others can be wrong, including early church fathers. Your entire argument then rests on the idea that they all must be entirely right, but not only that, that we must search out beyond the breathed Word of God to get these facts, yet it is the breathed Word of God which calls into question your beliefs!

You know what? If God's word is enough for you, that's fine, but at least stop acting like you're really searching him out.

>>831269

Context? Remind me where the Bible says Peter is the head of a unified church and Mary should be venerated?

>>831272

>>831272

"Supposed" head of the catholic church? An yet they go to him to resolve the issue. And regardless of what he finally decides, in favor or aginats, he is the one with that authority. Paul would have been anathema is he went and started his own religion, as you protties have.

>>831272

>>831272

"Supposed" head of the catholic church? An yet they go to him to resolve the issue. And regardless of what he finally decides, in favor or aginats, he is the one with that authority. Paul would have been anathema is he went and started his own religion, as you protties have.>>831273

>>831275

Galatians 2:8 which was written after what Jesus had said seems to say Peter was given the Jews and Paul the gentiles. You should brush up on your Bible.

>>831277

So there are two covenants, one for followers of Peter and another for followers of Paul? You are interpreting those verses as something else than a division of the evangelizing? You're not honest and are pretty much enterng judeaizing territory

>>831273

>>831273

I would point to Peter having been given the keys to the kingdom but you will probably devolve into arguing the meaning of petra, vs petras, vs petros in the original greek or whatever, as if only modern far removed protty scholars can somehow better understand ancient greek than the catholic monks whom translated it. and then you might go on about how we are all the "spiritual" church when in fact the Lord tells us that a city built on a hill cannot be hidden. Or how about you insinuating the the body of Christ could ever be anything but "unified"? I simply don't think you are arguing in good faith. How could we ever agree on anything when your very identity rests not on it's own theology, but rather, on simply not being catholic?

And how about you asking if Mary should be venerated when Gabriel himself saw fit to HAIL her as one would royalty, or as you know, the mother of your Lord. Truly, your heart and mind has been darkened by habitual unconfessed sin.

>>831281

https://carm.org/early-church-fathers-peter-the-rock

>>831279

Sorry you guys don;t have any concrete points except major seethe aginst the One True, Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church founded by Christ Himself, Heretic, heretic, heretic.

"A Christian should argue with a blasphemer only by running his sword through his bowels as far as it will go" St Louis IX.

>>831284

I dare you to read the articles I posted and watch the videos I posted. I know you won't though. See, there's no arguing with cultists like you because you already refuse to see and hear. You catholics never cite scripture to back up your arguments either. I've already posted more scripture than you and the articles/videos I posted have even more.

You only have logical fallacies, I have the Bible.

>>831282

Origen really? There were a lot of conflicting opinions but the Holy Spirit cannot contradict itself and speaks through the body of the Church, All those points have been adressed in multiple councils with far more saints and fathers arguing and decreeing for the primacy of Saint Pteter than you can muster in your link. Don't t get me wrong, I particularly love St Augustine but you lknow he also believed that Salamanders were born in fire right? Being holy doesn't automatically make you correct.

>>831284

>"A Christian should argue with a blasphemer only by running his sword through his bowels as far as it will go" St Louis IX.

Oh, so you don't believe in the Bible. Good to know. Why do you pretend to be Christian when you don't even follow the Bible or Jesus Christ though???

>Luke 3:14

>And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

>Luke 6:27

>But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

I guess that's just another Biblical teaching that Rome doesn't follow though.

https://www.remnantofgod.org/francis.htm

https://www.remnantofgod.org/jes-oth.htm

<Pope Francis' official oath as a Jesuit:

<"I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

>>831287

I'm only pointing out that you are mischaracterizing the protestant argument as novel

>>831286

I have, that's how i found my way ot the Church. i kept going and actually read the complete Bible, the apocrypha, the Didache and the fathers and doctors and your internet links have nothing on the deposit of the faith as passed down by the Church magisterium for millenia. What you are saying and linking is nothing new or convincng for that matter. What's next kabbalah, gematria, you going to quote Hancock and his chariots of the gods or something?

>>831288

Love your enemies, not the enemies of God.

>>831291

"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."

You're a testament to not knowing the Bible.

>>831292

Oh yes, because i've never heard of the most famous line in the Bible. Forgive means to wipe out a debt, it doens't mean to forget and it certainly doesn't mean not to have utter contempt for the enemies of God. Next thing you'll try to tell me that God doesn't hate and that even demons desevre our love. Sure, satan.

>>831290

>>831291

>I have

You haven't read any articles I've posted. You haven't watched any videos I've posted. You haven't posted any scripture. So why are you lying to me when you say "I have"? Stop pretending to be Christian, you've already proven you don't know who is a saint by biblical standards and that you don't follow Jesus Christ's teaching by promoting violence.

>Luke 3:14

>And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

>Luke 6:27

>But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

You haven't read anything I've posted and you refuse to because you're scared. You know, fear isn't of God, right? Probably not. I'll share some more scripture with you since you've yet to post any yourself.

>Romans 8:1

>For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

>2 Timothy 1:7

>For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Also, the apocrypha isn't inspired text. And I'm sure my posts are not convincing to you because you're dead in your sin, a slave to your sin, you're too prideful and arrogant so you cannot understand the word of God. It doesn't matter how much you read the Bible because you're too prideful, you don't humbly seek God, you just seek to validate your prideful cult practices and believes (which are 86.2% extrabiblical see: https://www.john1429.org/videosORIG/vaticancommercialunplugged.mp4 – oh wait, you refuse to see)

>James 4:6

>But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

Alright just FYI for itt this guy >>831234 is linking to all these judaizing SDA sites. I checked some of them.

Read the New Testament, especially Colossians and say no to judaizers folks.

>>831298

It's not SDA and God's Law isn't Jewish. There are TEN commandments, not nine or zero.

Everyone that levied an insult against another poster in the spat ITT is a sodomite, prove me wrong

>>831300

Didn't you just level a pretty clear insult? Can't say youre wrong.

>>831296

I'm going to go do a rosary and complines while you seeth about me going to hell. Out of love.

>>831302

no u

Catholics are "paganizers" and idolaters. They give worship to the sun (Satan) on their pagan holy day of SUN day (covered in some of the MARK websites here and in some links/pics/vids I've already posted).

http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/the-ten-commandments-links.html

I'm sure those who wonder after the beast in rome will give some logical fallacy to discredit the plethora of information contained in those sites though (as someone already has). Yet they refuse even to watch a short 24 min video out of fear.

https://www.john1429.org/videosORIG/vaticancommercialunplugged.mp4

>2 Timothy 1:7

>For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

>>831299

>John 14:15

>If ye love me, keep my commandments.

>1 John 2:3

>And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

>1 John 5:3

>For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

>>831304

God doesn't hear you. Mary doesn't hear you.

>Matthew 6:7

>But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

>1 Timothy 2:5

>For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

https://www.remnantofgod.org/rosary.htm

https://www.remnantofgod.org/Notmary.htm

https://www.openbible.info/topics/praying_to_dead

https://www.remnantofgod.org/Immortal.htm

http://www.what-happens-when-we-die.com/

>>831305

Yeah i guess i asked for it.

>>831306

Ave Maria, gratia plena

Dominus tecum, benedicta tu in mulieribus et benedictus fructus ventris tui Jesu,

Sancta Maria, mater Dei, ora pro nobis, peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. amen.

>>831308

“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

>>831308

And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

>>831308

>Deuteronomy 18:9-12

>9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

>Psalms 5:5

>The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

>Psalms 7:11

>God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

>Malachi 3:6

>For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

>Hebrews 13:8

>Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

>>831310

Such beautiful prayer for Our Lady. The heretic slayer. Thanks for reminding me i've got better things to do right now.

My soul doth magnify the Lord.

And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

For he hath regarded : the lowliness of his handmaiden: For behold, from henceforth : all generations shall call me blessed.

For he that is mighty hath magnified me: and holy is his Name.

And his mercy is on them that fear him: throughout all generations.

He hath shewed strength with his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

He hath put down the mighty from their seat: and hath exalted the humble and meek.

He hath filled the hungry with good things: and the rich he hath sent empty away.

He remembering his mercy hath holpen his servant Israel :

As he promised to our forefathers, Abraham and his seed for ever.

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son: and to the Holy Ghost;

As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be : world without end. Amen.

>>831309

I guess that means, we can only say the our father one time in our life.

>>831313

You really don't understand that verse…? Catholic understanding of the Bible is even worse than I thought. I don't blame the Catholics though, I blame their parents and their church leaders. If only they'd read their Bibles and humbly seek God…

>>831314

tell him he's wrong and why without the condescension or else we're going to have to assume you're a sodomite

>>831313

it means don't virtue signal with prayers

>>831314

>You really don't understand that verse…?

Yes, I do understand it.

And it doesn't contradict Catholic Doctrine, like anything in the Bible.

But your warped, heretical understanding of it leaves question.

>>831315

For someone talking about sodomites so much, you sure act like them snowflake.

>Luke 12:51-53

>51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

>Hebrews 4:12

>For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

>Isaiah 30:10

>Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

>>831316

>And it doesn't contradict Catholic Doctrine, like anything in the Bible.

Okay, you've got to be trolling. Either you're trolling or you really don't know what's in the Bible, or as the prideful catholic you are, you're incapable of understanding God's Word.

You surely haven't read the thread and like the other catholic pagan cultist in this thread, you'll no doubt refuse to read or watch or listen to anything I post (or even look at the pics I post). So why do you even go to Christian discussion boards? To validate your satanic extrabiblical beliefs to yourself? You have plenty of highly-moderated catholic forums for that. You are not a Christian and you never will be so long as you cling to Papal Rome.

>But your warped, heretical understanding of it leaves question.

Coming from a Catholic, who refuses to hear and refuses to see. You could've watched this video several times by now too, if you weren't so prideful and arrogant. God resists the prideful.

https://www.john1429.org/videosORIG/vaticancommercialunplugged.mp4

Oh, and where is honoring abortion activists or claiming Jesus isn't needed in the Bible?

https://www.remnantofgod.org/anti-Jesus.htm

Or do you have some mental gymnastics to defend the Pope/Rome regardless of what your leaders do?

Even your catholic ten commandments aren't found in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible is sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday, that was the Catholic's doing and they even admit it.

https://www.remnantofgod.org/beastword.htm#SABBATH

<"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act… And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons. Nov. 11, 1895

<"Sunday is our MARK or authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

<"Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday." - Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

<"The Sunday…is purely a creation of the Catholic Church." American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883

<"Sunday…It is the law of the Catholic Church alone…" American Sentinel (Catholic) June 1893

<"The Catholic church," declared Cardinal Gibbons, "by virtue of her divine mission changed the day from Saturday to Sunday." Catholic Mirror Sept. 23 1983. (Official organ of Cardinal Gibbons)

Not only does the Pope claim to be god on earth, but he claims to have power over God. Found on that last link again, scroll to the top and find the sections. These are words from your own church and you deny all of them or you lie and say it's all supported by the Bible – which it isn't (unless you're using some perverted and twisted bogus bible written by your gay pedo church leaders).

>>831318

<"Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday." - Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

>2 Timothy 3:16

>All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

>Colossians 2:8

>Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

>1 Peter 1:17-19

>17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

>>831319

Hmm interesting that you cite the book of Colossians and of Romans.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

- (Colossians 2:16-17)

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

- (Romans 14:5)

Are you going to deny the fact that you've been promoting judaizing here now? And you realize the RCC essentially does the same thing by claiming a continuation of the levitical priesthood and national Israel? So basically we've got a bunch of judaizers who need to study the book of Hebrews and the New Testament again because the ceremonial law (including the holy days and the sabbaths) is fulfilled in Christ and to attempt to uphold that levitical law is an active denial of his fulfillment of it, and the apostles even directly rebuked the judaizers of their day who were still trying to keep the meats, drinks, and washings, and carnal ordinances as though they were not fulfilled in our Lord Jesus. He is our sabbath, as it says, those days were a shadow of things to come. See the above quote of Colossians. >"or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ."

See that? This whole ignorant SDA thing has really gotten out of hand to the point where they're even quoting Colossians while ignoring this and being very uncharitable I might add.

Christians keep Sunday as the Sabbath because Christ rose from the dead, by his own power, on Sunday, the first day of the week. This symbolized his new covenant and the end of the old covenant. It meant a new beginning, the redemption of man for Original sin though batism and accepting the promises of Christ and the Holy Ghost in our souls.

Not saturday, like the jews who killed The Word of God, the Second Divine Person of the Trinity and God made into Man, with their lies and deceit.

Have a blessed Saturday.

>>831350

>The Blessed Virgin is the Queen of Heaven

The queen of heaven refers to a false god. See Jeremiah 7:18—

The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

>praying directly to the Lord, which we do sometimes, may be offensive to the Lord Christ

And yet, to the Thessalonians Paul says to "Pray without ceasing." What wicked shifting sands have you built that house upon!

The apostle John in 1 John 1:9 says:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

>>831410

Yes, I know. Protestants are keen on some parts and ignore others, like the whole Peter thing.

I just don't subscribe to sola scripta, as the Bible says no. Nor do I believe in that you can interpret the bible with out a Priest of the one true church, as the Bible says you'll mess it up. Feel free to ignore scripture when it suits you.

>>831416

Peter is an apostle and I read his sermons quite regularly.

I'm not sure why you're talking about protestants when responding to me. I don't believe in infant baptism as it is not in the word of God.

I am not sure what you even mean by half of the things you are talking about. I can only assume you're using the wrong definitions about things.

>Nor do I believe in that you can interpret the bible with out a Priest of the one true church,

And now we have finally arrived upon a true solution, because according to the book of Revelation chapter 1, we have been made kings and priests. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Amen. Amen Father.

>Nor do I believe in that you can interpret the bible with out a Priest of the one true church, as the Bible says you'll mess it up.

This is also true, I completely agree with your sentence. It does say that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation, and also that there are many that wrest the scriptures to their own destruction. And not only that, but even more, "the natural man receives not the things of God." Fortunately though, according to Paul writing to the Corinthians just before he says this also, "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."

So then no one acting alone can know the things of God, they must be saved and have the help of the Holy Spirit to be taught the things which the natural man receives not. Paul says to the saints in Corinth "we have received the spirit which is of God".

In the first epistle general of John, he also writes this:

>But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

In the 2nd epistle Corinthians, this is known as

>Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

So it is accurate to say that only someone who is saved is able to interpret the Bible or rather more specifically receive instruction from God. Furthermore, such persons are made kings and priests according to what St. John said in the book of Revelation. That's why I'm here pointing out where unsaved people are getting it wrong.

>Feel free to ignore scripture when it suits you.

Did you actually post any in your post? I have most likely seen before whatever it was you were thinking of. It's probably better if you just sat quietly and listened at this point. For instance, by bringing up Job chapter 42 you are basically equating yourself to those three persons that have not spoken the truth, namely Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar. Don't you see that?

>>831417

Oh yes and before you start coming at me with "being mean" or not being nice enough you should remember where the New Testament tells us "rebuke with all authority" and also "Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear."

Did anybody actually watch the video?

>>831421

>Did anybody actually watch the video?

Why would I watch a half hour long video when the teaching of the Catholic Church is clear on this?

Some Protestants are Christians

as they believe the Nicene creed. Others like the Latter Day Saints who believe they will become gods and that our their version of Jesus lives on the planet Kolob obviously are not Christians as they don't believe in the trinity, which is an essential part of the creed.

>>831114

>Father said that in the past, most Protestant denominations were Christian, and these Protestant baptisms were valid Christian baptisms.

This.

The only denominations that I know of that are outside the Nicene Creed are Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Pentecostals, and Unitarians. Those are the big ones anyways. I'm sure there are other smaller ones

>>831421

yeah, its basically 'we've been talking past eachother for along time and the polemical caricatures are exaggerated, we agree on more things than what we disagree, sincere christians in either camp are usually trying to do their best to follow christ dispite our differences, etc'.

>>831427

Because it's informative. The Catholic theologian might have some insight that you haven't thought of.

Mormons are not Protestant btw

>>831246

actually there are eleven 'thou shalt not' in the bible. prots merge hte 2 last ones, caths the 2 first ones.

The first two relate to the same subject, not having other gods, so they were merged.

You merge women into property, wathever.

But dont go about pretending you have the 10 real commandments, you merged them too.

>>831440

No, one of these two options is definitely correct and the other one not

A Christian is someone who.

1. Puts his faith in Jesus alone for his salvation, not in any of his own works or merits or efforts, lest he should boast.

2. Trinitarian.

3. Biblical inerrancy. the Word of God is his master, he cannot have two masters.

>>831436

>Because it's informative.

Yet, you can't summarize it.

When I write journal articles I would write an abstract. The abstract would explain why you want to read the article, what the article was going to tell the reader.

And why bother? There are Catholic catechism that are clear on what a Christian is or isn't, the one's after Vatican II even say not all protestants are going to hell.

>>831445

I agree, one of these two options is definitely correct.

I don't see in any Bible where the 10 commandments are actually numbered.

The enumeration of the commandments is a tradition passed down by the Apostles in the Holy Mother Church.

The Protestants can't be relying on scripture for a variation in the enumeration; nor can they claim their own tradition and sola scripta at the same time as that would be hypocritical. What then, is the basis of their ridicule of Catholics for disagreeing on how the commandments of God are enumerated?

>>831236

This really.

I'm just not sure if this is post vatican 2 or not.

Before Vatican 2, the Holy Mother Church was the only church of God.

After Vatican 2, the Holy Mother Church became one of the Churches of God.

Odd that Catholic teaching cannot change, and they didn't explain who these other Churches established by the Lord Jesus Christ were. Perhaps one of the Eastern Orthodox have such a claim; surely the man made protestant churches aren't.

>>831504

>I don't see in any Bible where the 10 commandments are actually numbered.

Deuteronomy 4:13

And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

>>831517

If you argued that the only reason we know there are ten commandments is because of the oral traditions of catholicism, and therefore we must also accept their version of it for that reason, as there is supposedly "no place where the 10 commandments are [even] actually numbered," then you would be misleading in that statement. We know there are ten from Scripture, not because of oral pharisaical traditions.

>>831522

>If you argued that the only reason we know there are ten commandments is because of the oral traditions of catholicism,

No, I argued that the Bible says that there are ten, but the Bible also does not explicitly say which is which by number.

I give up. You can't argue with a protestant, they keep making everything personal and calling Catholics names.

Time to dust the sandals and let the devil have his board.

Christian merely means that the religion believes Christ is the Son of God. Even if you consider other religion flawed or downright heretic as far as they believe that they are Christians.

>>834920

That can be deceptive at times too though. Gnostics used Christ's name to push forward the idea that he was entirely different from the Jewish God (whom they considered evil). While Mormons and Jehovah's Witness are just as wonky in their own way.

>>834920

Christian used to mean those who believed in the Nicene creed.

Now? The word "Christian" is pretty much a meaningless word. The devil took the meaning of Christian away, because what you can't define, you can't discuss