No.131663
Here's my idea of bringing rain into the Australian desert.
It's basically an orbital sunshade that covers a huge expanse of the southern ocean, the idea is to allow winter ice to extent far northwards. This will be conductive to cool Antarctic fronts which will sweep over Australia delivering rain deep into the interior making habitable land.
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No.131665
>flood the desert
>abos die because they can't swim
good plan mate
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No.131672
Larsen C is about to break off, which wont contribute to sea levels, but will increase the rate at which glaciers push ice into the ocean. If the entire Larsen shelf comes down, we could be looking at an inland sea. Probably not in our lifetimes, but who knows?
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No.131677
>>131663
I've read about a similar idea in New Scientist. Being in NS would suggest it's not an entirely crackpot idea…
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No.131699
>>131663
Sounds kind of expensive, just imagine the atmospheric drag on an australia-sized orbital shadecloth
Big saltwater tunnel out to one of the saltlakes, big glass evaporator domes, freshwater pipeline home again
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No.131701
>australia lush with vegetation and water
>even more pressure to take refugees and boost immigration for muh GDP
would be pretty cool though, SA and WA especially are dry as fuck
I remember reading this thing about getting long strips of wire (hundreds of metres long) and dragging them out in the desert and apparently it will attract rain/moisture
remember in school watching a documentary about these norwegians guys that dug a hole with these pajeets in one of those rich arab countries a few kilometres long, lined it with metal wiring and after a few years it became like a mini Nile river
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No.131712
>>131699
The article in New Scientist puts the shade between the orbits of Mercury and Venus, where that wouldn't be a problem.
You would only need a proportionally smaller object as well. Effort would be needed to keep it in an orbit with the same angular momentum and otherwise lined up with the area on Earth to be covered, but Tacking (in the sailing sense) off the solar wind would manage that.
The original idea was to be 'sunnies' to cool the entire planet down.
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No.131716
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No.131717
I honestly think efforts should me made into reclaiming land from the Desert, it would allow a larger population capacity and increase our productivity
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No.131734
>>131716
I read it on paper over a decade ago in a library. Searching newscientist.com just now only gives other geo-engineering ideas.
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No.131765
>>131663
Pretty awesome. Greening Australia's interior is going to become more and more necessary into the future, and we must start brainstorming ideas now. Anyone who is against this is against Australia being great.
I think we should start by flooding Lake Eyre by digging a trench from it to the ocean. It's a 15,000 square kilometer below-sea-level depression in northern South Australia. Flooding it will give us a vast inland sea that will contribute somewhat to rainfall in the area as it evaporates (and is constantly replenished by the sea).
We should also implement the Bradfield Scheme.
Another thing we should do is use nuclear bomb excavation techniques to dig super deep holes (1km deep and more) but small surface area holes in the desert and divert rivers to fill them. The tiny surface area will mean negligible evaporation, but they will store vast amounts of water because they are so deep.
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No.131773
>>131765
>Another thing we should do is use nuclear bomb excavation techniques to dig super deep holes (1km deep and more) but small surface area holes in the desert and divert rivers to fill them.
The burgers and gommies already tried digging with nukes, see Project Plowshare. They both quietly gave it up after they realised it was impractical and was generating huge quantities of fallout.
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No.131774
Maybe embracing the desert is a possibility.
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No.131778
>>131773
No, the Russians made a big success of it and still have it in store, while the Americans, after having large successes, abandoned it for public relations reasons.
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No.131801
>flood Central Australia
>native plants grow alright for a few weeks
>run out of soil nutrients
>washed straight back out into brackish water
>desert dies even harder
If only fertiliser didn't need so much natgas, it might be a decent idea, but otherwise you need nitrogen from somewhere, and you can't plant alfalfa underwater.
>mining
:^)
That isn't even the biggest point against it. The main reason to avoid this move is to preserve the set for the next 20 mad max movies
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No.131968
How would you get an object that large into orbit? Wouldn't it be cost prohibitive? Wouldn't on top of requiring 100s of rocket launches, it would have to be placed into geostationary orbit (even more expensive to get to) to always cover that part of the globe.
It would cost literally trillions of dollars. Cheaper to just dig huge trenches and extend huge rivers inland.
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No.132005
murka stealing straya water with their contrails chemicals adjusting atmosphere to make them the great Nation
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No.132006
>>131968
Think Mylar parachute. The materials for it would have to be mined in space, but it would not take ziggadollars to create something of say 1000x1000 kilometres but 0.05mm thick– only about half a million tonnes of material, and there's engineering projects playing with that already. A thousand space (construction) robots would get it done in 5-10 years. The hard part is just getting the base of operations up and going because now it doesn't exist– but say ~100 years from now when orbital industry is happening…
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No.132007
>>131968
Trillions of dollars huh? The U.S. wasted that much on killing 100,000's of civilians in Iraq. If that's all it would cost, I'd say it's possible.
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No.132008
Interesting. Perhaps do double duty and have it be a huge solar collector. Wonder what the feasibility of something like this is. Would it require accompanying structures to move it if it got out of sync with the earth's orbit? Also, if such a thing were possibe, it could solve global warming as well. The long term effects of it though…I'm not so sure. How would Madagascar be affected? Or those small Indian Ocean Islands? I'm sure NASA has looked into it….
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No.132009
>>131801
Yeah, something a lot of people don't realize is that deserts are generally deficient in soil nutrients as well as water.
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No.132115
>>131774
No. See the Mad Max movies for why this is not a good idea
>>132006
>A thousand space (construction) robots would get it done in 5-10 years
I was going to apply for that job, fucking robots. #NEET4LIFE
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No.132118
>>132008
>How would Madagascar be affected? Or those small Indian Ocean Islands
Lmao who gives a fuck. Fuck them.
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No.132119
>>132009
Yeah. Marine farming is what should be happening.
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No.132134
>>132119
exactly
easy way to rip all that extra carbon out of the oxygen too
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No.132136
>>132134
whoops
replace "oxygen" with 'ocean'
buggery me
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No.132367
the only people living in the west are lebs and youre basically giving them a long term way to outpopulate us. sage
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No.132372
the aus here should stand for autistic
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No.132686
>>131765
>Another thing we should do is use nuclear bomb excavation techniques to dig super deep holes (1km deep and more) but small surface area holes in the desert and divert rivers to fill them. The tiny surface area will mean negligible evaporation, but they will store vast amounts of water because they are so deep.
yeah i sure do love drinking heavily irradiated water, sounds like it'll make australia great again for sure
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No.132819
>>131801
The only reason methane is used as the hydrogen source in the Haper Process is because it's cheap. If you don't want more fracking fucking the land up, just find another source. It'll still be dirt cheap.
>>132009
And fertilizer is cheap. With the right geoengineering you could probably minimize run-off from certain points while you wait for the vegetation to spread from there. The vegetation will produce compost which holds nutrients better than sand.
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No.133500
>>132819
Artificial fertilization and slow directed growth is possible but if you're hydrating the desert you're going to generate vast areas of weird swamp that will take decades to support much more than bacterial sludge.
Which is fine, as long as people don't want to go there, which is probably fine because we don't currently want to go there anyway.
OTOH you could maybe do it in a more controlled way by using custom automated sand crawler type vehicles to gradually excavate your water source inland while simultaneously generating enriched soil and laying it along with seeded vegetation in a grid/terrace/whatever around your brand new wetland.
As long as you're patient and design the vehicles carefully they could take care of the whole thing independently. Shit like those tethered wind glider kite things are like a portable wind turbine that you can mount on a vehicle for all your energy needs, without requiring a bunch of real estate like solar (although you'd use solar directly for soil enrichment trucks I guess). Then once we know what we're doing we send those fuckers to mars.
>>132119
That and wave power. Designs are cheaper now, we could easily have unlimited free power for the entire country forever for only a couple billion up front.
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No.134601
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No.134614
>>134601
We definitely will though, we just don't know it yet.
There aren't many better testbeds on Earth for martian habitation and terraforming technology than Australia. We also have the benefit of nobody giving a flying fuck what happens to all our shitty desert.
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No.134697
>>134601
America can't into yacht racing but it doesn't stop them lol
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No.135026
>>132005
(((Eternal Nation)))
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No.135504
>>132006
>half a million tonnes of material
at a million dollar per kg to put something in orbit your cost is 500 Trillion dollars.
Australian GDP is 1.2 Trillion per year, some how I can't see it getting funded.
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No.137917
>stop exporting resources to chinks
>use resources to create space mining program
>bringtherain.png
>use limitless resources to overpower and harvest nigs, rice nigs, poo nigs, sand nigs, and cocaine nigs
>turn them into blood and bones.
>fertilise newly aquaformed desert
>geneticaly engineer algee to produce o2 and other nutrients for invigorating the desert
>Infinite Ayran civilisation
>ascend
>prevent heat death of universe
>create sub-universes for Aryan families to preside over as pantheons of gods
>Infinite Ayran recursion
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No.137918
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No.138233
>>135504
"100 years from now when an orbital industry is happening"
All the elements from Hydrogen to Iron are just floating around the Solar System by the petatonnes. No fucking need to drag it up from the Earth.
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No.140999
>>131663
look into 4th gen nuclear. with the sort of power that brings in we could easily produce enough fertilizer to cover the outback and desalinate enough water to fix it up
the real question is what sort of effects a green australia would have on the rest of the World
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No.192143
>>131801
>preserve the set for the next 20 mad max movies
Sorry, mate, but no need: they film them in Africa now
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No.192146
>>138233
With rapid evaporation you could technical make a rain front every 2nd day if you so pleased but it may expose some governments that create extreme weather systems.
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No.192320
cold air doesnt carry water
warm air carries water
it only rains when warm air becomes cold
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No.192711
WA is shitty enough already without pummeling it with tri yearly cat 5 cylcones and random cold snaps
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No.192814
>>140999
>the real question is what sort of effects a green australia would have on the rest of the World
Who cares? fuck the rest of the world
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No.192833
>>131663
I thought of a dumb idea. If we could sink it into the ground a little, and create a thicker layer of trees, then introduce TONS of moisture to create low clouds, hopefully we could produce like, a miniature climate that has tons of rain
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No.192834
>>192833
can someone with a science braine tell me how this wouldnt work?
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