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>>18019

>doing damage control

Do Niggers deserve respect despite their lack of accomplishment yes/no

>>17345

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>>18021

>Make up your mind. Pick one story and stick to it.

Angels are their own kind of creatures. I used Adam and Eve as an example because they received a permanent change because of their sin. Angels didn't inherit original sin. Angels are moral agents, they're not robots, or puppets, but they came into existence with untested holiness, just like Adam and Eve before the fall. This is how our free will caused a choice (that we knew was wrong) to curse us. That is why Angels can't use free will in the same way as humans. You're a creature who can lose something important from exercising your free will you envy ones that can freely exercise it. Satan wanted/wants worship.

>Did the other angels also crave attention?

They joined lucifer.

>Because self determination and freewill is obviously a sin. Yet if we humans apologize enough, we are absolved of this crime.

You have the free will to steal something from someone, that doesn't mean free will is a sin.

>If it does free them from something, then it is a source of freedom.

The man who dates transwoman believes they're as good as real women (or that they're really women in a men's body), but be has been deceived into accepting a deception. The problem is humanity doesn't know when their values have been flipped upside down.

>This is the only time I have found your good god respectful, and the only any Christian has said any such thing.

Jesus has some beautiful encounters where he shows a lot of sneaky respect to ancient pagans in the bible. My favorite would be https://bible.org/seriespage/23-faith-canaanite-woman-matthew-1521-28 http://archive.is/TSi0j The Faith Of A Canaanite Woman (Matthew 15:21-28), it's very misleading but the deeper meaning speaks to what i want to separate myself from.

>While I can attest laVay satanists, pseudo occultists and the like (all of whom are Christian or presuppose Christianity) are very sick, twisted people and are better describe as slaves;

>I have, however, on occasion, found a proper occultist or left hand pathworker (none of whom are Christian) who are legitimate, who have true strength and real personal power.

>They who can revel and smile and fight. Once again, I laugh at you and your weak excuses.

There is suppose to be a psychological as well as spiritual aspect to it, it makes sense that if you're an ex-Christian that such practices will become more volatile to them than those who believe nothing is wrong with tapping into the source, or calling of the force of Satan. Of course there are people who practice it without problems. However i'm sure they themselves know the dangers.

>Just because you might not have this interpretation does not make it any less valid

Not when there is historical documentation, and several witness accounts, and people (after the event) who studied it.

>If one believes in the Trinity as a whole; then yes Christ was born and had himself killed for his creation, to give them a second chance to get in his good graces after abandoning them after the apple incident.

Believing in the trinity means knowing that each distinct person is still the substance, essence or nature of God.

>after abandoning them.

God didn't abandon humanity after the crucifix, it's the opposite, he gave humanity a way to reach him.

>There are instances, too, of Christ performing sins of pride, sloth, gluttony throughout the new testament.

I would be very interested in reading these chapters.

>you would bend over backwards to excuse all away in the same I would do so for the various gods of various pantheons

People get the bible wrong all the time, but i always take a look. There is no point in believing in something if it's false, at the same time, it can't be false now because I've personally contacted God and hes shown me his influence, i know it's an anecdote, but hes not a godform either because those wouldn't give you a choice. Regardless I've run into a lot of surface level interpretations of the bible that people use to discredit it. There is usually a good answer, for example why lucifer and Christ are both described similarly, why God tells us not to worship idols like baal yet asks for the first born, why Jesus calls a pagan woman a dogs, Jesus calling us Gods.

>But it all comes down to interpretation and suspicions.

The bible is just one path to God, there are a few other ways to reach him.

>I'm none too interested in debating this since we will most likely never budge for the other.

I personally love to talk about these things, it's why i have written several essays with you about these topics despite our disagreements. With that said, you have a point, iron sharpens iron, and you wouldn't reach your understanding or discoveries of your gods, if you stopped because someone told you they're not real or evil.

>I would say you did start out Christian, as you had to presuppose Christianity like so many others do.

That is correct, i started out Christian but i never really met God, so then became atheist, agnostic, deist and then truly Christian. There are people who never knew Christianity yet discovered Jesus.

>While I do not advocate such beliefs, I will advocate that Christianity does have many things within taken from pagans. Holidays and even the practices therein come to mind. There is the fact many folk practices came over from people coerced into Christianity.

They're indeed an influence there, it has to do with Roman Catholicism how they changed the lunar calender to a solar one, that is why we have our sabbath on SUNday. Some believe that Christiamas is pagan because it has some elements to saturnalia, but only in gift giving, i haven't really looked in to Easter/Ishtar too much.

>While Christ may not be an exact copy, he does share quite a lot with more than just a few gods.

I would be interesting in hearing about this?

>>18022

>if you consider that Christianity did not have a hell to begin with.

I don't know why you say this, if Hell is mentioned in the OT.

>And people go get tortured forever for simply not believing hard enough.

There is a difference between willful sinning and unknowingly sinning.

>There is the book of revelation which is nothing but your good god's avengement against what he considers "evil."

Do you not consider the Jewish end game evil? That is once the apocalypse has happened and everyone converted to Judaism.

>Christian afterlife is a bastardized version of karma.

Karma isn't a reward, it's more of the results of life or past life, the Christian redemption for the afterlife is pretty flexible at times, and sometimes doesn't requite action for receiving help. They're pretty different especially without the past life.

>Christianity, from the start was a doomsday cult.

I can see why it would seem like that from an outsider's perspective, yet it (should be) much more preventative than a resignation for the apocalypse.

>am I truly to believe your god of the world or demons are bound there, willingly torturing those your good god finds displeasing?

God doesn't want his creation to burn in eternity, that is why he gave us a way to overcome it, Satan uses hell to steal away God's favorite creation.

>Yet your good god and self proclaimed saviour are not bound by this. Why should you be? Because they know better?

We can listen to ascended masters or spirit guides, tap into the source, exact our will, or use our creative power to change reality, but there is soo much of this world that we don't know about. We have only been able to scratch the surface of what the humans in power have presented to us with on a silver platter, let along what they keep from us or what they worship knows. Part of being Christian is to be Christ-like, Jesus used his authority as a God only when necessary, such as defending something sacred like the church. God can do a lot of things, because his will is perfect. When God flooded the world he left the roof the ark open, he is here to help humanity.

>Yes, I do.

>1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

>Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

What good are morals if you're too weak willed to defend them.

>Surely you are capable of imprinting Caveat emptor upon such things

You did not understand my use of the word "sold", i mean the kind of sex that is pushed on mainstream couples, is against our desires, one example would be the push for open relationships, another is how (because of how degenerate everything is now) infidelity is seen as normal now.

>And what if they have done the unforgivable?

There are a few options here, self defense is allowed, so is any legal consequence for what they have done, then there is God. It really depends on the situation, and person and how repenting they actually are. Most Christians will go with the first two options i listed, only when they're exhausted do they turn to God's will.

>your good god

You can only have one master, i don't worship Satan.

>Allegory is an excuse to wash away inconsistencies.

i disagree, words can have more than one meaning, turning the other cheek and fighting smartly are not inconsistent to other values God taught.

>The origins of those religions is in no way a disservice to me, but they are to you.

Christianity was also suppose to be a conclusion to Judaisms, Jesus calls anyone who doesn't believe in the messiah a liar. The Judaisms blatantly doesn't consider Jesus the messiah.

>That depends on how much crediablity you give to our sciences, and given the way you put your words, you distrust science completely.

There is science behind an dome/flat earth, and there is HAARP, I don't distrust science completely, but a lot can be faked. I guess the holocaust would have been a better example to use. You seems to have jumped to a lot of conclusions from those flat earth examples.

>But these just might be Freemason deceptions, I take it?

>Flat earth, no nuclear weapons and a hollow moon. Now goats prove the evil Freemason theory. And you wonder why I fail to take you at your word. I just hope you're doing this for the sake of argument

Those were just examples, i don't actually believe the earth is flat, there are plenty of arguments and science for the flat earth, just because NASA presents you with something contradictory to a lot of ancient pagan beliefs doesn't make it right. I thankfully don't need to be a deceived low level Freemason to know about it.

>Except for you, because you've all the answers although you've yet to show them to be credible.

How do i show you something you been taught to ignore? i don't believe have all the answers, only some, when i see something on TV, i don't see every esoteric interpretation possible

>OK, I'm not a mj fan, still I don't know if you mean the dance move, the movie or the video game (given a 3 min search, as I almost don't care, I can't find any moonwalker song).

>MJ's moonwalker is an allegory of gay group masturbation. OK, the movie, video game or dance move? Where's the proof? How and why?

I mean the Beat it music video, every scene in the video is a reference to homosexuality group masturbation. The two men coming out of a manhole, disregarding of women while playing with a toothpick in his mouth in the bar, the jerky hand motions, the jewelry, the kissing of the "woman" with the Adam's apple. The submissive guy driving the forklift, the flamboyant dancing, the hand gestures.

>You're beginning to sound that one guy who sees phallic imagery all over the Denver airport.

http://archive.is/aF4Cg#selection-2505.0-2523.21

>But you also seemingly believe in a flat earth, a hollow moon, that goats are Freemasons and evil somehow.

I don't care about the flat earth or the moon, i know Freemasons worship a proxy for Satan, i focus on God, and study the finger prints of Satan in "the world".

>I see no reason to defend something against anything with has no foundation against it. Especially when I don't even care about it to begin with

Why do you feel immune to the externalization of the global government? Living a survivalist life while the populations has been taken down by 2/3 won't help us much.

>I will concur that it is the same mythology with different names.

If that is true then they would follow Christ and the NT, and ignore the other extra Jewish books like the kabbalah, talmud. I'm not denying that it came from Judaism, but the conclusion is an opposition to it.

>>18032

>Adam and Eve as an example because they received a permanent change because of their sin.

Self determination is not a sin, well, maybe to a christian. The only crime here is your good god set up an experiment doomed to fail. Given how he made angels, a seemingly perfect creation (which at first, by your own words, had no freewill yet now possess a different sort of freewill because that fits the narrative better), yet they too end up rebelling against that tyrant, perhaps he is just not as grand as he makes himself out to be.

Please none of that "muh mysterious ways," or "muh grand design," mental sewage, I can only handle enough stupid on this thread

>Angels didn't inherit original sin. Angels are moral agents, they're not robots, or puppets, but they came into existence with untested holiness,

Well if they don't have freewill, they are pretty much robotic moral agents. But now they might have freewill because the plot has demanded it. And the holiness side of the argument falls short with your evil god's rebellion.

>This is how our free will caused a choice (that we knew was wrong) to curse us.

Don't net the rest of us humans into your head canon, please and thank you. But if you took place of either Adam or Eve, would you have acted differently? If you went to them as you are now, would you tempt them away from the serpent? Whether part of some autistic design (which would make your good god more bored than unconditional) or failed experiment, what happened needed to happen. Lest something potientally worse could happen. Perhaps Adam and eve would rebel the same way your evil god did.

>That is why Angels can't use free will in the same way as humans. You're a creature who can lose something important from exercising your free will you envy ones that can freely exercise it.

Yet those rebellious angels lost their place by your good god's side by exercising their freewill. So clearly, they are not above the cause and effect of freewill, and do have things to both gain and lose. Regardless if their freewill is somehow unique to ordinary freewill, they are still subject to karma it seems.

>You have the free will to steal something from someone, that doesn't mean free will is a sin.

Except if you were to steal from your good god, it would become a sin.

>The man who dates transwoman believes they're as good as real women (or that they're really women in a men's body), but be has been deceived into accepting a deception.

How is that man free of anything by dating a tyranny?

>The problem is humanity doesn't know when their values have been flipped upside down.

This has nothing to do with morals, but finding the key to one's shackles. A key is a key.

>that such practices will become more volatile to them than those who believe nothing is wrong with tapping into the source, or calling of the force of Satan

I do not have the will nor the years required to get into this with a Christian

>Of course there are people who practice it without problems. However i'm sure they themselves know the dangers.

Of course they do, otherwise they are Christian and believe themselves above struggle and problems only to curse reality when it dashes away their ignorance.

>Not when there is historical documentation, and several witness accounts, and people (after the event) who studied it.

Funny, should we speak of the lack of historical and witness accounts for people such as Christ, Moses and Muhammad? We have historic and witness accounts of people such as Bodhidharma, Zoroaster, Apolloinus of Tyana. Yet nothing of the Semitic prophets outside of self proclaimed holy books from distant deserts. Especially during a time when miracle workers were all the rage. The Romans never wrote of Christ, though they mention many messiahs the jews had, the Egyptians never mention Moses. No middle eastern kingdom has proper account of Mohammed. All there is are self proclaimed holy books and the babblings of people who spent too much time reading them.

>Believing in the trinity means knowing that each distinct person is still the substance, essence or nature of God.

Perhaps to you. You forget your interpretation is not the only one. If you consider yours true, at least demonstrate it thusly.

>>18032

>God didn't abandon humanity after the crucifix

No, he abandoned them after the apple incident with Adam and eve.

>I would be very interested in reading these chapters.

Pride:

Luke 10: 38-42

Matthew 10: 37

Mark 14: 3-7 (also sloth here, I easily side with Judas)

Matthew 12: 41-42

Envy:

Luke 9: 59-62

Wrath:

Matt: 11: 20-24

Greed:

Luke 6: 1-5

Luke 19: 29-35

Sloth:

Mark 7: 1-9

I don't want 5 posts of excuses so I'm going to stop there. Just know, I judge your Christ as a human and not a demigod above human morals and ethics.

>There is no point in believing in something if it's false,

Yet you are Christian

>it can't be false now because I've personally contacted God and hes shown me his influence,

Once again, he is a very lazy god or too childishly spoiled when it comes to standards. Either way the child god should be over thrown.

>Regardless I've run into a lot of surface level interpretations of the bible that people use to discredit it. There is usually a good answer

Good enough for you perhaps.

>why God tells us not to worship idols like baal yet asks for the first born,

"Bloodthirsty, child god."

>The bible is just one path to God, there are a few other ways to reach him

Unless it's Mormon.

>I would be interesting in hearing about this?

Resurrection:

Ishtar/Inanna

Osiris,

Persephone

Baldur

Crucifixion (sacrificial death/hung from trees)

Odhinn

Set

Krishna

Matata's

Dodonian

Zeus

Tammuz of Syria

Hesus of the Celtic Druids

Prometheus

Thulis of Egypt

Most of his life and mirvales, even appearance is that of apollonius of Tyana.

>I don't know why you say this, if Hell is mentioned in the OT.

As in it's earliest start, when it was made by Greek theologians and Jewish moralists. The Bible wasn't made, or rather, its canon not closed until around 400 ce. Then, there are literal hundreds of "translations," which popped over the centuries. You'd do well to look into Christian history.

>There is a difference between willful sinning and unknowingly sinning.

The inquisition, Christian history and several Christian philosophers might disagree with you. Your good god, as well.

>Do you not consider the Jewish end game evil? That is once the apocalypse has happened and everyone converted to Judaism.

You are presuming. I do consider the Jewish end game evil, but I remain unconvinced your good god is against it in any way since he is the god of the jews and Abraham.

>Karma isn't a reward, it's more of the results of life or past life,

Only half true. Karma is the wheel of cause and effect; one reaps what one sows to its fullest extreme.

>They're pretty different especially without the past life.

Hence why I label it "bastardized."

>yet it (should be) much more preventative than a resignation for the apocalypse.

With a price not worth paying

>God doesn't want his creation to burn in eternity, that is why he gave us a way to overcome it

Which is complete and utter subservience under his foot, regret for your choices and guilt over everything which you are born into. If you aren't willing to pay this price, say hello to a red skinned, pitchfork wielding imp to sodomize you with your canabialized flesh! Your "overcoming" is too anti human for anyone with reason.

>Satan uses hell to steal away God's favorite creation.

A creation he abandoned after the incident in the garden then returns to one group, has this group go on literal genocide and child sacrifice crusades against every other surrounding tribe, will occasionally destroy a city or flood the earth over mild discomfort. Then, finally, impregnating an already married woman to have that child maligned, tortured and killed in brutal agony just to say "sorry, here's a second chance." Why would I not want to be "stolen?" My gods might be brutal, but at least they're honest.

>he is here to help humanity.

Please see above

>then there is God. It really depends on the situation, and person and how repenting they actually are. Most Christians will go with the first two options i listed, only when they're exhausted do they turn to God's will.

Then they not only fail themselves, but weaken themselves also. It is the internal struggles, when won and fought on their own that one overcomes and becomes greater. By turning away from struggle and seeking help, they cheapen their battles and fail as humans. This applies to the unforgiven one as well, for, in their case, especially, nothing worth having should ever come easy.

By giving them forgiveness and love so freely what is gained but that forgiveness and love? How can he, who betrays trust so easily, be thought to change to his core without struggle? You might as well piss into the wind because you've opened yourself to exploitation once again.

>You can only have one master, i don't worship Satan.

I never said you did. But know, that I, as a pagan, recognize him as a god of your pantheon, who stands on equal terms with your good god in the contest for humanity. And given my outside perceptive, I truly hope the evil one wins. Not because I enjoy evil, but that, to me (as I do not view the world as you do), he's the one who seems better in comparison. When it comes to Jewish mythology like this, one side cannot be said to be truly better than the other.

>i disagree, words can have more than one meaning,

You are right, but that is when context comes in. No matter what meaning/context/definition outweigh intention/allegory/interpretation.

>Jesus calls anyone who doesn't believe in the messiah a liar.

Not believing makes one a nonbeliever, not a liar, though.

> The Judaisms blatantly doesn't consider Jesus the messiah.

Probably because Judaism's true Messiah was supposed to give jews 14000 slaves each. (It was some stupidly large number)

>There is science behind an dome/flat earth,

Theories, perhaps. Still unproven and undemonstrated in reality.

>I don't distrust science completely, but a lot can be faked.

This is true, but my point is if you're going to say something is fake, at least prove it so

>just because NASA presents you with something contradictory to a lot of ancient pagan beliefs doesn't make it right

Neither does it make it wrong.

>How do i show you something you been taught to ignore?

By showing me demonstratable proof. The fact you don't need proof for your own self speaks volumes of your beliefs.

>when i see something on TV, i don't see every esoteric interpretation possible

You should probably stop watching TV and go do something productive. It only has the power you give it, unless you consider yourself a watchdog and wish to warn others. Then, I wonder why you disdain the idea of "awakening others."

>beat it

>every scene in the video is a reference to homosexuality group masturbation

I will admit, you might have something there, especially given the context of the incline of degeneracy of pop culture since then. I would sooner blame jews before masons, though.

>Why do you feel immune to the externalization of the global government?

Death is preferable to slavery. Any being that gives up its freewill to live for the sake of another deserves nothing less. Will you fight or turn over like dog?

>That's because Satan is a counterfeit,

No, it's because I find him less repulsive to human interests.

>he wants to be woshipped like God, but the means he uses to accomplish it is manipulation

Probably because he is a god and his dominion is being contested by a foreign invader. But you good god, equally uses manipulation and equally malicious methods, yet Christian history may not have a bearing in your Christianity. Or you might just sweep this away as satanic influence, because your perfect interpretation was found so recently

>while God gives you a choice to love him or not.

What is eternal damnation, again? Not much of a fair choice.

>That is why Satan wants to create a global government to enslave everyone to him,

Where's the proof? I could say trannies are because of Loki. And that Loki wants an army of trannies to charge Valhalla as a distraction of confused feelings and untempered rage while he takes their weapons, pisses in their Mead and gathers the giants, but you're damn sure I'd try to have proof of it for myself, at least, before I bring it to others. Otherwise, it is humans acting within their own special interests.

>that is why he wants mass surveillance to watch over everyone as God, but for nefarious reasons instead of helpful ones.

I didn't realize he left his ultimate plan folder laying around like that.

I understand where you're coming from, this is perfectly realistic, but at least leave out of the supernatural. I can believe a shadow group of humans, Rothschild's or what not doing stuff like this. But a goat legged red man with pointy horns and a pitchfork?

>Doesn't it stop being an interpretation when he adds another book saying that it's another testimony of Jesus Christ

How can you disprove it not being another testimony of your Christ?

>Joseph Smith was a freemason, who added lies to established scripture.

Like Nietzsche was?

>Some of those denoms that you listen are clearly controlled, like mormons, and others are not so clearly controlled

It's all controlled

>In the Will to Power he says "To become master of the chaos one is…that is the grand ambition here."

You're an idiot. I'd tell you to read moar, but you d end up reading more scriptures

>fucking autism

>>18032

> God also leaves room for people to receive salvation from repentance.

At a price not worth paying

>come here to learn about paganism and to correct the cartoon of Christianity that's been created

You're doing a lot more preaching (and making your side seem less and less good)

>I stopped trying to "awaken" people a long time ago, people don't want to learn about such depressing topics, especially those who take refuge in them.

I'd replace "depressing," with "fringe." I don't mind reading of them , I just, like every other human possessing of reason, want proof: demonstrable proof.

>What makes them evil is their work in media,

Prove they work in the media. Prove it is them who call these shots.

>What would be the point in a creation of free will if half the choices were gone, and only good choices were left?

What is the point of creation of freewill when one side is good peaceful servitude and the other torturous eternal damnation?

>Christians only spread God to others

With fire, blood and pure hatred

>you can extinguish the jews and another belief system will rise up,

[Citation needed]

>stair bars are evil!

>lamp posts are evil!

>doorway arches are evil!

>doorway arches evil, again?

It is weird for a barber shop to have obelisks, I admit, but so is a fully orchestrated musical number in the rain

>totally unrelated music video has rain and is obviously evil!

>mfw no umbrella up the butt

>>18036

>hey, this enslaved chick is trying to trick a lustful, power drunk villain by toying with his desires so the hero can take advantage and get the drop on him

>THATS TOTALLY EVILLLLLLLLLLL

>>18037

>cringe worthy nostril dive music video of a song of a guy who having to grow up and having to get used to ordinary life

>band obviously coked up and over excited about cameras

Evil? It makes me glad I never could get into MTV… but where's the Satan?

>Ringo is the devil!

>random nigger chick in chains because Beatles, man! Don't you get it, man?

>weird Jersey devil pops up again?

>song mostly about the struggles of growing up put to a jaunty tune

I wonder what ever it is you're smoking

Do you have better proof that does rely on poetry interpretation?

>>18050

>when God is creating the world, it's described as "good".

Good =/= perfect. If your good, evil god truly created everything, he would've also had to create the bad things, too, including sin.

>This one is not pride either, it's devotion to God, you'd want your family to have the same belief that you have

Just because a divinity (self-proclaimed and unproven) in this instant says so, does not make so. If a human were to talk like this, which Christ is human, after all, it would be labelled pride. Laws are double edged, if they cannot be used against the entity which made it, they are not worth following.

Frankly, I don't care what family practices or follows along as it isn't Jewish (then I might have a noticeable problem with it), they have the natural right to worship what they wish. Even then, what am I to do? Murder them in cold blood or do the christian thing and wait for my gods to punish them for me? How pathetic.

>Germanic paganism

Don't be so small minded, now

>, image if you had a chance to me the most important god in your beliefs, and you had limited Money, you could give it to the poor, or you could make an impressing on that god. There will always be poor, but that god might not always be there in the same way.

While I do firmly believe apathy is worse than death. Altruism is dangerous. Be careful of charity, for you can cause more harm with an open hand than a closed fist.

One one hand, you could give the money to some poor soul, but you might as well pour sand into his hand. Whenever the suffering see the elevated, there is resentment, he didn't earn it, he was just lucky. "what makes him deserving?" And now he becomes a target. Misery prefers company.

On the other hand, you could ignore him and choose to keep the money. Yet this same man would then suffer still. "Why does this keep happening to me? Why not them? What makes them so special?" Misery prefers company. Where there is suffering, it spreads until it is everywhere, and when a kindness is finally offered, it is punished and a greater darkness is served

My qualms with the christian side is that it offers no such critical thinking and the character of Christ, who speaks of altruism, cannot bear to perform it himself. He is a hypocrite.

> If Jesus says God is greator than the earth, humanity and angles, it's not pride it's a what makes a creator God.

What makes him more worthy than those who created you? That he created them? Not even my gods act so tyrannical, they only demand the best in man or man suffers his own self made consequences, not to submit or face damnation and torture forever.

>When Christians say they're reborn it's because they have move forward from their past.

>Hypothetically speaking if the family or the death of the father effected either men greatly, God would answer those troubles.

What a weakening thought. Ultimately impossible. We are the singular collections of our experiences, it is what makes us unique. We are our scars. To trade any part of ourselves for any amount of power is folly.

>Jesus wasn't envious of the priorities of the men, rather he wanted him to focus on something greater than even his family or his father's burial.

Again, I call your "good" god a childish, envious tyrant. While the gods are indeed great, they would never be so iron fisted about this sort of thing. When one we lose loved ones, to grieve for them is natural, not sinful. No god should come before what is most immediate before you. What a truly childish, vain god.

>That's not vengeance or punishment as the consequence of anger, they didn't repent.

Why should they have repented for anything? Their actions were justified to them, otherwise they would have never acted on it. Regardless of any wrongs, natural events by their own making would've spelt either their doom or punishment. This is a parable warning of what happens when you refuse to apologize to your good god.

>God is commonly seen as this wrathful being, but he also listens to his creators when they repent, and helps them.

He could help them out of the wrongful lives they live, but hey, how else can he get his rocks off if he doesn't torture them until they give him permission to help or die.

>>18050

>His rules are not harsh when they have such accessible and flexible benefits.

I would pay to watch you explain this to both inquisitors and their victims.

>, he could have been the king of the universe who say on a throne run by strange holy creatures. At the same time he had to show that he was God without becoming too well known

>You're noting to like this answer but this falls under worship of God, you notice how Jesus never says "i am God […]", at the same time he doesn't deny that he is God.

Inconsistent. Is he not already the self proclaimed king of the universe? I don't care what he planned, for it has lead to senseless bloodshed and failure. This sounds too much an excuse to cover for either a really good con man or, the equally acceptable, not so grand and powerless god.

> it because to show there are more important aspects to glorifying God beyond the OT laws.

Perhaps because those laws were ineffectual for the purpose of overcoming humanity. Why those OT laws were good for bloodshed, they could not disarm the gentiles who stand against Jewish corruption. Hence, the creation of your Christ.

>parts of the bible that leaves me puzzled. That would be whether it's a literal or not telling

That's because you put too much stock in allegory when there should be none. Meaning > intent.

>he is his own human person yet with the essence of God

Then still, he is not above his own laws

>No wonder you guys have such an idea of Christians. This is why you only see Jesus as a random jewish man.

No, it is because he's literally Jewish. As described in your self proclaimed holy book from the jews. From bloodline, to upbringing, to death. From teachings, to morals, to actions

>You missed my point, that's a another religion, A re-mix of Christianity from a Baal worshiping Freemason.

Which is, and always will be christian. Albeit another sect. Besides, Freemasons also worship your good god as equally to Baal and Osiris, if they worship any of them in reality. But mormons are not Freemasons

> i'm talking about how there are different way to divine experiences.

Then you are the first christian to do so

> there will be similarities, just like the epic of gilgamesh, and uniqueness.

Actually, the fact most religions and faiths have independent accounts of a flood is a similarity. When something is copied by a group of people who once lived in the area, we're kicked out and rehashed it as a new religion, it is plagiarism .

>I'm sure you know that Zeus got his power from drinking from a one eyed goat?

He was actually nursed by that goat, named Amalthea, during his infancy. His powers were natural to him from birthright, with exception of lightning and thunder, which he got from the Cyclops'.

But are you going to say that Zeus is also a Freemason, now?

>Josephus

Funny, his accounts invalidate what could be considered fact of your bible.

>Jopehus

>wrote of nothing about Christ's miracles or teachings but his well deserved death

>Suentonius

>wrote about early Christians punished rightly by the Romans and never talks of Christ

>Titulus

Probably about as real as the shroud of Turin and crafted in the middle ages to give some agency for the fiction it was made for

>Lucian

He was a satrist who spoke of the barbarity of Christians and how, like any religious group, are no better than any other

>Talmud

I'm glad you indirectly admit the Jewish origins of your religion

>Pilny the Yonger

He said Christianity was a depraved and excessive supertision, and I agree with him.

>all before 400CE?

The Bible as you know it, yes. There are forbidden books such Arian's account which claims Christ was actually the son of a Roman soldier named Panther.

>>18051

>Origins are clearly very important to you, yet the Jews don't worship Jesus,

Conversions mean nothing.all that matters is substance. Jewish heroes, saints, stories, history, practices, morals, ethics. Open up any single page of the bible and find, for me, one single page free from any Jewish reference.

>You call him lazy when he dosen't and extreme when he does, also he sent prophets to warn the cities, and left a hole on the top of arc.

I call him a child, for he acts just like one. Either he throws temper tantrums or does nothing. And when he does finally do something, it is in the most lazy and half assed way possible.

>He never had sex with Mary, that is why it's called the virgin birth

Still adultery

>that is why the plural for gods is used in Genesis when God is creating the world, referring to the trinity.

Probably more likely to be the collective of jews who wrote the bible, since they see themselves as such. With this in mind, it's no surprise Christ thought the same way too.

>Because sometimes betraying trust causes a struggle.

For the betrayed, not the betrayer. The betrayed has a chance to become greater for the struggle granted by his weakness. But the betrayer only gains from his exploitation

> Clearly there will be those to take advantage and go to hell, but by turning to God they learn to have compassion for those they have wronged.

What is learned by submitting other than weakness? Turning away from struggle is anti human. Those who turn to escape punishment deserve nothing but death for they are traitors to themselves. Compassion is nothing.

>Then you acknowledge the difference between Judaism and Christianity.

I always have. But Christianity is still just as Jewish as Judaism.

>They're not going to come out and tell you everything but they will leave clear clues.

You say that, yet only find clues where none actually, if hardly, exist. Yet, even still if you are so wise, what do you accomplish by speculating about such things online and not fighting against such things? Bad things happen because good people do nothing, after all.

>Nietzsche talks about overcoming the flaws and gaining control of the contradictions in oneself in some of the most plain English translation can provide

>HEZ A MASON!

If that's the case,by my own philosophy I'm a mason, too. How do I go about getting my influence and money?

>>18056

>>18056

when did we ever say that christian artworks need to be destroyed? we will do as the christians did and just say it was pagan all along

Unlike Varg I think Chuches are pagan. Chuch or Cerkov means the same as chakra - circle. That's why there are 7 churches in the Revelation. So if you burn a church, you are against nature.

Varg says Athena is Thought. It is correct. However it is no different from christian Sophia.

>>18065

>>18059

Well my point was that so much of our history during the Christian period was a product of US not Christianity. The art works are a visible example of this. Yet i see many condemning much of the stupid shit we have done as Christian in order to disown it. The lunatic altruism we have shown to other races for instance. Yes, Christianity had its part to play in that, but only because we made it that way. Christian niggers probably wouldn’t act like that because, well . . . their niggers, Christian or not.

Its too easy to blame them when the issues we blame them for seem to be more about our own general racial character. I guess what im trying to say is that in spite of the dubious things in Christianity the end result would probably be about where we are now, more or less. Yeah, the specific reasons for fratricidal wars etc… would be different, but its not like we wernt happy to kill each other before that.

There are good Christian men and women that follow the 14 words. Isnt this the real issue? How much does Christianity matter?

https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/08/the-first-white-genocide/

Just read this.

>>18068

even when I was in middle school (~2003) there was a superfag kid that loved Loki. Loki is like a gay sex icon

>>18070

what does loki have to do with anything i just stated?

>>18079

Nothing more than a Christcuck saying "pagans ur ghey."

>>18084

I see now, the old loki is gay nonsense

have any of you christcuck faggots actually read the norse myths? if not why the fuck are you even here? You have nothing to say or contribute, you only make fools of yourselves and convince more to our side

>>18078

>Then can you explain that in all the centuries of White Christians attacking and subverting White Pagans as a divine mission they almost never attack jews

What would you consider a correct respounce? If you look at the 13 century European Christianity, they had Blood libels and Host desecration, Their Expulsion of from Spain, Pope Paul IV issued papal bull Cum nimis absurdum, Luther's 1543 pamphlet On the "Jews and Their Lies", 18th century Poland Russian Orthodox Church's policies on Jews, 1772 Catherine II, the empress of Russia, in the 19 century Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) built the walls of the Jewish ghetto in Rome, and they were restricted to the ghettos throughout the Papal States in 1870.

In the 20th century American Jews petitioned Pope Benedict XV on behalf of the Polish Jews, they go in a Pope who was compromised for them.

https://web.archive.org/web/20091016114240/http://www.firstthings.com/article/2007/01/the-holocaust-what-was-not-said-10

>On April 26, 1933 Hitler declared during a meeting with Roman Catholic Bishop Wilhelm Berning (de) of Osnabrück:

>“I have been attacked because of my handling of the Jewish question. The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc., because it recognized the Jews for what they were. In the epoch of liberalism the danger was no longer recognized. I am moving back toward the time in which a fifteen-hundred-year-long tradition was implemented. I do not set race over religion, but I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the Church, and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.”

>Christians have known such a thing for centuries and have never acted upon it.

>Yet, the foundation of such disagreements is mutual respect."

In the Middle Ages. The Catholic Church Alleged That the Talmud Contained Blasphemous references of Jesus and censored it in 521.

https://archive.org/details/judaismontrialje00macc

In the book Judaism on trail, Jewish converts to Christianity, such as Pablo Christiani and Nicholas Donin claimed the Talmud contained insulting references to Jesus.

In 1681 Johann Christoph Wagenseil Translated a collection of Anti-Christian Polemics from Jewish sources, the name of the book is "Flaming Arrows of Satan, that is, the secret and horrible books of the Jews against Christ, God and the Christian religion, includes Jesus in the Talmud. The Frist Book Dedicated to topic of Jesus in the Talmud was a Latin book "Jesus in the Talmude" by Rudodlf Martin Meelführer in 1699. In 1700, Johann Andreas Eisenmenger published Entdecktes Judenthum (Judaism Unmasked) Which not only includes Jesus in the Talmud but became the basis of a lot of anti-semitic literature like "The Talmud Unmasked in 1892 by Justinas Bonaventure.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/straight-dope/article/20847401/does-martin-luther-bear-some-responsibility-for-the-holocaust

>And by the 1930s at least, the Nazis were well aware of Luther's anti-Semitic work and used it to justify their actions. On the Jews and Their Lies was displayed prominently in a glass case during the Nuremberg rallies, and Nazi bigwigs regularly cited Luther as a kindred spirit. “No judgment could be sharper,” Heinrich Himmler said of Luther's writings against the Jews; “With Luther,”

It wasn't mutual respect, them mocking God influenced a lot of anti-semitism.

>How do you know such lines in the Talmud are true condemnations of Rabbi Yeshua? And not praises that Rabbi Yeshua,

Because it claims hes boiling in excrement in hell. Also in Gittin 57a mentioning the nobleman Onkelos conjuring the tormented spirit of "Yeshu", you wouldn't normally site a common jewish name of a man by tormenting his spirit.

>Yawheh, was able to convince all the Goyim into destroying their own idols and praise only him and that the jews would reap the fruits of this labor.

You could say they're just pretending to hate him, or they they don't really hate him, hes clearly caused centuries of divinely inspired hatred against them that has it itself gone to influence other culture of anti-semitism.

>Oh and you know a lot about what jews truly think?

>How do you know their deity has forsaken them and taken up only Christian values?

Because of the purpose of Christ.

>The jews seem to be doing pretty well now and have been for a long time.

In becoming their own messiah they will complete a satanic end game, along with their pagan secret societies.

>Could the jew deity not be a deceiver to non-jews and Christians be willing sacrifices?

If believe God is the devil then say why you believe that theosophy lie.

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=F3u4iSVpbBw

our ancestors quickly and eagerly gave up their paganism thousands of years ago, after Christ came.

If you want to honor them you must emulate them.

>>18116

>Christians never used violence to force others to worship their Semite god

>>18116

>>our ancestors quickly and eagerly gave up their Kings hundreds of years ago, after Liberalism came.

>>If you want to honor them you must emulate them.

>>our ancestors quickly and eagerly gave up their Racism tens of years ago, after Progressivism came.

>>If you want to honor them you must emulate them.

>>18116

No they fucking didn't. Christianisation took centuries with the help of violence and anti-pagan laws and even then you had people reverting back to paganism. If you actually read up what happened you get the impression that Christianity was generally forced on people and that the the early church expended considerable energy trying to repress the native faith

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_pagans_in_the_late_Roman_Empire

Not only is there repeat examples of Christians warring on non-Christians, but there is effectively no reliable evidence Christians were attacked in the Roman Empire on a societal level. No myths of getting thrown to lions and imaginary martydom stories don't count.

>>18157

One has to wonder the extent of the "Jewish Media" in the Mediterranean during the time, they were all over the place and in every port and as jewish slaves had somehow ascended as far as they could go, they had it out for Roman subjects and Jews always take revenge when slighted, no matter how long it takes. How many early Jewish converts of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries relapsed back into Judaism before their assumed untimely deaths which were all used as political capital for the furtherance of the goal? If the jews can make it look like some 6,000,000 people of theirs died in the 20th century, a few jews here and there in much earlier times where the only surviving sources are from their "Church" I don't see any problem that'd make for a Den of Rabbis.

Christianity has the Bible as it’s metatext, Paganism has Homer, the Eddas/Sagas, or the Vedic/Mahabharta/Ramayana as their metatext. All values, archetypes, and basestories stem from these metatexts, and art and townnames might be based on these

At least that’s the dictionary definition. In reality, the difference is simply what has bee taught to a majority of the population and the shared culture and ethic between them.

There. A non meme answer.

>>17327

most of the epic shots in that vid are Christian culture though

wtf

>>18240

the iconoclast controversy was settled a thousand years before Michelangelo's David….learn some history. lmao

>>18246

Reading pol/christ doesn't make you an expert in

history.

>>17327

>Define European Pagan culture in contrast to European Christian culture.

European Christian culture = European Pagan Culture.

>>17421

>Carholics are p fucking pagan

Protestants are also pagan, it's all just paganism, all the same Gods, you can be Protestant and be a Heathen, there is no distinction if you drop dogmatics and literalism.

>>18041

Satan is a tolerated nuisance. Which isn't equal to God because God created Satan.

Now it's completely beyond me why an angel will rebel, just as much as a mystery as to why God created us. So I'm not going to attempt to explain anything other than clearing your misconception because I don't know

>>18872

A being which Lords temptation over you, which can deny the will of your good god and turn you away from him is naught but a tolerated nuisance? Well, I hope you're getting your money's worth on this pantheon of the mediocre

Honestly, if a perfect being (angel) in a perfect realm (heaven) living with its own creator would feel the need to rebel; it by reason alone, it must be for a really good reason.

One has to wonder then, if all the stuff we hear about this bad god is just propaganda and damage control?

>>18967

Well "Germanic" Christians use the name "God" deriving from the Lombard term "Godin" as seen in Paul the Deacon's writings about what he called the "demon" Godin and his wife Freya for at that time Christians said Christ, Iesu, Latin Deus or Greek Θεoς. Though if this Godin (Saxon version Gautr) is in fact "Odr", I can see the apprehension of those who strive to get an afterlife where they get what they want and aren't challenged, though for some that might be a happy life to finally be at peace, though they must all know it will fall. You can only face the end fighting, that is the only meaningful action!

The Middle-English poem "Thomas the Rhymer" may preserve some of this discussion of the afterlives, even mentioning Alfheim.

"yon narrow road so thick beset with thorns and briars that is the road to righteousness though after it but few inquire"

"yon broad road that lies across the lily leaven that is the road to wickedness though some call it the road to Heaven"

"yon bonnie road that lies across the ferny brae that is the road to fair Elfland where you and I this might must go"

Whatever the case may be one need only read Volsupa to know what happens before even Odin goes to his fate in Ragnarök.

"The crags are sundered, the giant-women sink, the dead throng "Hel" way and "Heaven" is cloven."

>>18968

Christian here, you mean to tell me I've been praying to Odin this whole time?

>>18971

>>thinks Wodin and Godan are the same

What is it with Abrahamists always making an amalgam, whether it be in philosophy or race?

While Paul the Deacon tries to make this equivalency, there is nothing within Asatru itself which says Freyja's husband is Odin and as well by etymology Freyja's husband is actually Ullr.

"Wotan sane, quem adiecta littera Godan dixerunt, ipse est qui apud Romanos Mercurius dicitur et ab universis Germaniae gentibus ut deus adoratur; qui non circa haec tempora, sed longe anterius, nec in Germania, sed in Grecia fuisse perhibetur. " Book One, History of the Lombards by Paul the Deacon

Translation:

"Wotan indeed, whom by adding a letter they called Godan is he who among the Romans is called Mercury, and he is worshiped by all the peoples of Germany as a god, though he is deemed to have existed, not about these times, but long before, and not in Germany, but in Greece."