No.15716
What does /asatru/ think of the various forms of Celtic based paganism out there? Asking as a Celtic Reconstructionist myself, primarily following the Irish pantheon.
It's interesting to me that the Celtic and Norse peoples had such a mixed relationship, both trading openly and occasionally making war with each other until the christian era.
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No.15717
>>15716
Brigid is Bragi in feminine version.
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No.15719
>>15717
Perhaps. I'd say each religion's deities/legendary figures are entirely seperate from those of other religions, even where similarities exist, however.
I think comparing them is meaningless. Sure there are some similar roots, but it seems very strange to me to, for example, compare Odin to Zeus or The Dagda. They're different figures with similar roles.
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No.15720
>>15716
Pretty cool tbh. Obviously letting your women fight isn't a good idea though.
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No.15721
>>15719
You're either uneducated or a D&C kike
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No.15724
>>15720
I find a woman more attractive if she can fight. If she can protect my children and home while I'm away, why not let her? Plus. Rough sex. Much more fun.
>>15721
Right, it's uneducated or "kikery" to have an opinion you don't like. Perhaps you should reexamine things.
IMO it makes as much sense to say that deities from different cultures with similar roles are the same thing as it does to say Donald Trump and Angela Merkel are the same thing.
Fulfilling similar roles does not make two things the same thing. It makes them two things fulfilling similar roles.
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No.15729
>>15719
Yes because you should compare Thor to Zeus and Taranis and Perun, Odin to Mercury and Trojan, Dagda to Heimdall and Semargl and Dazhbog and Zemepatis and Vortumnus
This is based on astrology. Once you know it religion becomes quite practical.
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No.15739
>>15724
"Aryans don't real because I said so"
t. (You)
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No.15748
>>15739
Actually Aryans don't real because Hitler made that shit up. In reality the term Aryan refers to the nobility of the Indo-Iran region during the Vedic period.
>>15729
but this is the problem. I see these entities and cultures as very distinct from one another. Sure sometimes names and words share etymological roots, but the cultures in and of themselves are entirely separate. Considering how often the origins of various deities are entirely localized, it seems to me foolish to compare a figure in celtic or norse folklore to one of say, greek or roman folklore. Even comparing Norse and Slavic folkloric figures seems to not fit.
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No.15749
>>15748
>Aryans don't real
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan
""Aryan" (/ˈɛəriən, ˈɛərjən, ˈær-/)[1] is a term meaning "noble", which was used as a self-designation by Indo-Iranian people. The word was used by the Indic people of the Vedic period in India as an ethnic label for themselves and to refer to the noble class as well as the geographic region known as Āryāvarta, where Indo-Aryan culture was based.[2][3] The closely related Iranian people also used the term as an ethnic label for themselves in the Avesta scriptures, and the word forms the etymological source of the country name Iran.[4][5][6][7] It was believed in the 19th century that Aryan was also a self-designation used by all Proto-Indo-Europeans, a theory that has now been abandoned.[8] Scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an "Aryan" was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial.[9][10][11]
Drawing on misinterpreted references in the Rig Veda by Western scholars in the 19th century, the term "Aryan" was adopted as a racial category through the works of Arthur de Gobineau, whose ideology of race was based on an idea of blonde northern European "Aryans" who had migrated across the world and founded all major civilizations, before being degraded through racial mixing with local populations. Through the works of Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Gobineau's ideas later influenced the Nazi racial ideology which saw "Aryan peoples" as innately superior to other putative racial groups.[12]
The atrocities committed in the name of this racial ideology have led academics to avoid the term "Aryan", which has been replaced, in most cases, by "Indo-Iranian". The term now only appears in the context of the "Indo-Aryan languages".[13]"
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
"The Aryan race was a racial grouping used in the period of the late 19th century and mid-20th century to describe people of European and Western Asian heritage.[2]
It derives from the idea that the original speakers of the Indo-European languages and their descendants up to the present day constitute a distinctive race or subrace of the putative Caucasian race.[3]"
TL;DR The word Aryan can be used to describe any Indo-European people. The word Aryan comes from the Hindi word for a nobleman, but it has a nice ring to it, and as the noblemen of India were Indo-Europeans, it fits (the lower classes of Indian society are the native Indians, the Aryans/Indo-Europeans invaded northern India and became the upper social castes of Indian society).
The historically correct term is Indo-European, but the cool term that pisses everybody off, specifically a certain merchant tribe, is Aryan.
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No.15759
>>15748
If these Gods don't fit it means you understand them wrongly, because they are exctly the same Gods. they are planets and forces within you, not some imaginary things out of touch with reality.
In Hinduism main three gods, Brahma, Vishnu,Shiva refer to planets Uran, Neptune and Pluton. It may surprise you, becuase science discovered these planets quite recently.
As for Aryans I think each astrological age makes some evolutionary changes in people.
Aryans refer to people whose DNA benefited in the age of Aries.
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No.15769
>>15749
>>15748
>the term Aryan refers to the nobility of the Indo-Iran region during the Vedic period
This is true, but from the word Aryan and cognate words in other Indo-European languages, such as Old Irish "aire" and proto-Celtic "*aryos" ("freeman", "noble man"), Lycian "arus" ("citizen"), or Hittite "ara" ("friend, peer") can allow us to reconstruct a proto-Indo-European root word "*heryos" (missing accents and indications of weird palatal sounds, but whatever), used as a term to indicate status as a peer, fellow tribesman, "one of us". As such, to borrow the word Aryan for usage in describing people of Indo-European descent seems alright to me. If we really want, I asked a guy I know who's pretty solid on his linguistics to construct a modern English descendent of *heryos, if use of the word survived all the way through PIE->PGmc->proto-Anglo-Frisian->Old English->Middle English->Modern English, and he came up with "Erean", with "Ere" being the in-group status that an Erean has.
Regarding the discussion on cognate deities, I agree that in some instances you can draw parallels. However, sometimes linguistically cognate deities are not cognate in function, and there is room for error in interpretation. The Romans interpreted Thor, for example, as Jupiter, based fairly flimsily on a shared lightning motif. However, linguistically, Jupiter's name is cognate with Tyr's. In terms of function, however, Jupiter is most similar to Odin, each being chief of the gods, but even Jupiter and Odin are fairly different. Be careful with the parallels you draw, basically, My personal advice would be to understand that different Indo-European traditions are, to a large extent, equivalent, but that you should pick one and avoid syncretism.
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No.15786
>>15769
Tyr's replacement by Odin is a fairly recent development though, so nominally Jupiter is not that different. The two most base gods of the indo european pantheons were in most cultures a storm god and a "sky-Father" god. Tyr and Jupiter share the same name, from the PIE word "dewuz" which in germanic developed to Teiwhaz and eventually Tyr, and in latin to dieu-piter, piter meaning father.
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No.15792
>>15769
Thank you Anon for making this post, I have found it extremely interesting and almond-activating.
That's not sarcasm, I genuinely found this response quite awesome.
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No.15796
>>15786
daily reminder that all words with * (asshole) are shitty made up words which have never existed
there is no Teiwaz rune, there is only Tyr rune.
>Tyr and Jupiter share the same name
>Tyr
>Bull
>Jupiter
>God-Father
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No.15824
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No.15825
>>15824
Then the only thing to do is to remove wiccans. Not like their "religion" and practices are legit anyways (I wonder how any of them are even aware that wicca was started by a man named Gerald Gardner, or are aware of it, but deny it due to being triggered by said fact). Getting tired of them spreading lies about being apart of Celtic/Nordic etc. people and claiming to know how said people and societies were like.
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No.15835
>>15825
Fucking this, it's thanks to them we've got such a shit/left wing reputation at the moment. It should be up there on our list of priorities to reclaim our ancestral faith from them
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No.15836
>>15825
>>15835
The only decent argument that Yeshua-boys can actually pull against us is to lump us together with Wiccan trash and other groups similar to them (although it is a weak argument, similar to "paganz wuz homozexualz n shiet").
Cull such filth from our ancient beliefs, and we will be a shining beacon of light and of hope for the white man in Europe and abroad.
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No.15837
>>15836
>although it is a weak argument, similar to "paganz wuz homozexualz n shiet"
It's funny how the churches, in their want to prevent those that would leave their faith and go back to their roots, would spread that lie, then wiccans and other neo-pagan groups following an artificial and incorrect form of our ancestor's beliefs would try to push and parade that lie as if it were something sacred to our people. Those groups are against each other, but at the same time (either intentionally or unintentionally) work together to destroy what our ancestors believe, fought, lived, and died for. If the "pagans were homosexuals" lie were true, these idiots wouldn't even be alive right now since such degeneracy would stunt the population of our race to near extinction and would have died altogether many years before they had a chance to be born. If any homosexuals or other degenerates did exist, they were most likely killed on the spot, died out without spreading their genes, or used for sacrifices to keep the societies healthy and thriving as possible (something I don't think these neo-pagan groups realize or refuse to accept).
>Cull such filth from our ancient beliefs, and we will be a shining beacon of light and of hope for the white man in Europe and abroad.
Agreed. We need to do our part to learn our true ancestral ways and help teach our people not only what our ancestors believed in and how they lived, but to also be proud of it despite what the various forms of (((media))) and (((propaganda))) say otherwise.
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No.15838
>>15837
>If the "pagans were homosexuals" lie were true, these idiots wouldn't even be alive right now since such degeneracy would stunt the population of our race to near extinction and would have died altogether many years before they had a chance to be born.
Coincidentally also the best argument against retards who think homosexuality is genetic. If being gay is genetic, how was that gene passed through the generations?
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No.15839
>>15838
LBGTREWQ freaks have much lower lifespans than non-freaks and overall lower health. What with the drug abuse, disease, being overweight.
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No.15922
Hey OP be careful when you call yourself a "Reconstructionist" especially with the Celtic faith, you might end up just looking like a faggot.
See this thread i made a long time ago for examples.
>>13205
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No.15930
Too much was lost, allowing feminists and new age fuckers to move in. Move on, realistically if you're a celt, your soul is germanic by this point in history.
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No.15935
>>15930
>Too much was lost
Nothing is lost in any pagan religion, if you understand it.
It describes nature and nature is seasons and stars.
Understand it and everything is clear.
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No.15936
>>15716
Celtic polytheism has the same problem that Slavic or Baltic polytheism has, which is the fact that there are no proper religious texts, therefor the religious has to be reconstructed from classical, christians, folkloric and epic texts.
That's not a problem, except it means that Celtic polytheism will have a strong tendency towards being reinterpreted by libfags, which is much more difficult to do if you have actual religious texts.
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No.15937
>>15796
Ty(r) - remove the R because it's a nomitative.
Compare the Ty, to the Germanic Dio and Zio.
Realise that the Gods who share the similar attributes and are all called either Ty(o), Di(o) or Zi(o).
Realise that that is similar to Ze(us) or De(us) and realise that the ending of the names are nouns.
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No.15938
>>15930
Shut up vikang larper.
>>15716
The paganism discord (check the catalog) has a good deal of information on the Celts and their practices.
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No.15940
>>15922
Thank you for making that thread. We need more people calling out the wiccan and neo-pagan bullshit within the Celtic and other European cultures. Hope things are going well with your site. If you're still looking for more material to look over and verify for your site or otherwise, books by Peter Berresford Ellis regarding Celtic and Druid culture are definitely worth looking through. Going through his book on some of the myths and legends of the celtic lands currently (more specifically, tales from Ireland, Isle of man, and British isles), and he usually adds a section recommending where to find more reading material regarding the subject of his books.
>>15930
If that was the case, we should give up Norse culture for allowing shitlibs, faggots, and those not of Nordic/European blood to claim to be apart of it. Nobody said it was going to be easy trying to teach the truth of our ancestors' ways to those who have forgotten and/or believe the new age shit that is "accepted". Just have to keep trying to teach our ways, verifying and confirming the information regarding our cultures along the way, and not give up just because we have a lot of forces against us.
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No.15970
>>15937
How do we know it was spelled that way in the distant past. If it's written in such way I conclude R should be there, it's just not spoken out of laziness.
Zeus is Thor, why create another electricuting God. Tyr is VOLOS = Tarvos Trigaranus
Tiw who rules day of Mars is just another deity.(he also is not Zeus and is not related to rune Tyr, "mars tiggi" relates to venus, judge of mars)
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No.15974
>>15970
>How do we know it was spelled that way in the distant past. If it's written in such way I conclude R should be there, it's just not spoken out of laziness.
I have studied the Old Norse language and know the basics of it and I have read academic sources.
Now, you obviously did not understand what I was saying, so I see no point in explaining myself again.
>>15970
>Zeus is Thor, why create another electricuting God. Tyr is VOLOS = Tarvos Trigaranus
>Tiw who rules day of Mars is just another deity.(he also is not Zeus and is not related to rune Tyr, "mars tiggi" relates to venus, judge of mars)
You do realise that as our ancestors moved south, their religion became corrupted right.
Donar fits Hercules and Jupiter.
Deo fits Mars and Jupiter.
Wotan fits Mercury and Ares.
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No.15979
>>15974
>Donar fits Hercules and Jupiter.
Have you ever thought that Hercules IS Jupiter?
He is Percules or Quercules.
Hercynian forest is Percunian forest. Forest of Perkwunos. It is also THURingian forest.
One mythology can have a lot of names for one being.
Tiw, is Mars, scorpio that's why he is both Dives - rich (ploutos) and Death
Tyr is Venus, taurus (male aspect).
Slavic Veles is also different deity from slavic Volos, but not many people realise that.
Academics should be more careful when they compare gods with similar names.
Academics also usually say things like: "this and that is not clear, all is lost we are doomed and we are faggots" Don't be like them pls
Religion is never corrupted, if you understand it correctly. Knowledge of planets is necessity.
For me religion is like math, not some weird stories.
As for connection of Zeus to *Dyaus
>Plato, in his Cratylus, gives a folk etymology of Zeus meaning "cause of life always to all things,"
He is correct becuase Zoe is life
>because of puns between alternate titles of
Zeus (Zen and Dia) with the Greek words for life and "because of."[24] This etymology, along with
Jupiter is exalted in 15deg cancer which is around 7th July - then pagans should celebrate Thor,.Perun, etc, a lot of thunderstorms are then too which in turn give life to plants.
>Plato's entire method of deriving etymologies, is not supported by modern scholarship
fuck modern scholarship then
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No.15980
>>15979
All you are doing is just browsing wikipedia and making random connects that are somewhat right, somewhat wrong.
Nothing more.
You don't care about what the Gods are, because you are not genuinely religious and that is why you have a need to merge all these different branches together, because it makes the Gods more abstract and more formless and thus easier to understand for your semi-religious mind.
I suggest you ignore anything outside of the tradition of your ancestors, whoever your ancestors are and only focus on their tradition. When you can speak their language and know all the facts about their religious worldview, then you can try and expand it with the beliefs of other branches.
All else is folly.
Also, stop pretending you are clever, you are not.
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No.15982
>>15980
>all you do…
I cited it because wikipedia contains all this academic bullshit you boast about
>you are not genuinely religious
huh
>it makes the Gods more abstract and more formless
wha
>focus on their tradition
I do it but with intelligence
>stop pretending you are clever, you are not.
no u
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No.16055
I met Cernunnos (?) while projecting the other night, I didn't know who he was, thought he was a wendigo. Pic related is closest representation I could find, except he only had a single set of antlers, the hands & shit are pretty much dead on except he was cloaked when I met him.
I sometimes talk to Sleipnir, usually pretty Bro-tier, first time I met Antler Man. Makes sense in retrospect, I'm a naturephile & train horses (hence Sleipnir being my bro)
He said "the darkness that is coming will be a great light to many" if anyone cares.
>tl;dr celtic gods breddy cool tbh
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No.16056
>>15716
I've personally found Celtic paganism to be quite attractive, especially since I've found out I'm actually far less "Germanic" than previously thought, and a lot more Celtic (in terms of ancestry). I don't know much about it at the moment, but I'm learning some more. Overall, it's a brother Aryan religion to Asatru/Germanic/Norse paganism, has many similarities, and descends from the same Proto-Indo-European religion.
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No.16062
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No.16065
>>16062
Yeah, just like slavs aka "eastern germanics" aka "eastern nordids".
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No.16073
>>16062
Yes I agree but its complicated.
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No.16084
>>16065
LOL you mad cuck porn-loving wiccan faggot soyboy kike
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No.16085
>>16073
Nah it's really not, they are defo germanic af heh
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No.16089
>>16084
This is an educated board, if you're going to write like like a nigger, do it in /pol/.
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No.16096
>>16089
>Claims to be ((("""educated""")))
>Peddles anti-germanic pan-slavist fairytale hoax narratives
What a good soyim cuckold you are
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No.16101
>>16085
Celts could not accept that they had been had by Hengist son of Wihtgils and bards of Wales and Cornland still curse him to this day. And so the Celtish turned to the Christ as their only weapon against the Gemanen. Victory at the cost of your own people is not victory, that is why it is complicated but the scar no longer bleeds and that is why I see Celts as Germanics but know how often they don't and don't want to.
>>16096
Slavs is a difficult tale for how much Communism moved populations all around in their borders there could be "Eastern Germanics" as far as Chukotka keeping the blood well. Further it can easily be seen of Germanic populations within Poland who now see themselves as only Slav, yet use runes. For the Germanics among them when strong enough will remember Atlakvita and do the same or fall into Gap var ginnunga.
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No.16103
>>16096
>more low-energy, low-IQ drivel
If you post like a nigger, you will attract real niggers. Can't you see everyone else on the board is at least a bit civilized? Do everyone a favour and just shut the fuck up.
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No.16104
>>16103
Best not to take the bait if he's shitposting (or if he's being serious, it's best not to feed him ammunition to keep posting). I've seen similar posts to that anon's here, and the posts come off sounding like a German equivalent of a weeaboo.
Just stick to the facts and theories backed up by verified evidence, and either ignore those posting bullshit, or use said evidence to prove them wrong and then ignore them.
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No.16282
>>16055
Wiccans and LARPers get the Blót.
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