/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

"After the conversion to Christianity, the crown almost always passed from father to son, without regard to who was the best choice. Whether young son, stupid son, arrogant son, irresponsible son — it didn’t matter because the church said God had declared a line of succession. The kingship was no longer about who served the people best, but who had a “right” to the crown. And so kings took on this foreign religion for love of power.

Not only did Europeans suffer poor rulers — they also suffered because they lost reverence for their old gods (who reflected the natural spirit and personality of those who created them) — and for their ancestors. It took centuries for the rot to fully manifest, but it was implanted during the conversion.

By the 8th century, most Europeans were effectively converted to Christianity — but for centuries some of the old traditions lived on, for many reasons: Sometimes the Christian priests appropriated old holidays and traditions, giving them new (and false) meanings, often because they didn’t dare ban them outright; sometimes the practices and stories lived on because the people simply refused to give them up.

Even in the New World, Thomas Jefferson wrote “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law,” a reference to English common law. Common law dates back to the concept of thew among the Anglo-Saxon tribes of England while they were still polytheists. Basically, the common law was based on the long-established customs of the tribes, ordained by endless centuries of effectiveness and worth. Problems and situations were handled based on how they had been handled in the past. Today we call that idea precedent. In the US court system, for example, attorneys and judges look back at how similar court cases were decided in the past to decide how they should be decided today. In the very unlikely case that there’s an issue that dates back to before America was founded, attorneys can actually cite English common law as precedent for American law. And so even in America, the cultural and societal progeny of Europe, it is Europe’s pre-Christian legal custom on which our entire system is ultimately based.

Nonetheless, every year, every century, the people of Europe stepped farther and farther away from the customs of their ancestors — and closer and closer to the ideals of this foreign religion; a religion that venerated poverty and victimhood rather than strength and victory. If you take exception to this characterization of Christianity, I suggest you carefully read your Bible again, especially the New Testament.

Probably worst of all, the peoples of Europe and their descendants adopted the idea of human equality — the idea that everyone is essentially the same and equally undeserving in the eyes of the Jewish God. They adopted the idea that all should “love thy neighbor” — words that to the Jew meant loving only his fellow Jews — but among Christians “thy neighbor” was ruled to include every featherless biped on Earth.

Europeans started looking back on their glorious history as conquerors with disdain, even shame. At a very deep level, they accepted the idea that they were no better than the primitive, backward peoples they had conquered. Guilt grew in the bosom of Europe. After all, who are we to conquer others — everyone is equally despicable and sinful in the eyes of God. All that European civilization created — advances in science, technology, ethics, culture — began to be seen, not as ours, but as the equal possession of every arguably human being. It came to be seen as “sinful” even to take credit for these things that we created.

It was the collective guilt inserted into Europe’s heart that kept her from responding and defending herself when physically attacked by invaders and morally attacked by anti-White propaganda. Without false “White guilt,” the invaders would be dispatched in less than a day. Without false “White guilt,” the ridiculous propaganda attacks would have gained zero traction.

Perhaps more destructive than that manufactured guilt was the tendency of European people, sensing that this new religion wasn’t really theirs, to turn their backs on the church and religion in general. Even the people who still attend church often do so more out of a sense of social obligation than as genuine worship. With no real spiritual roots and no reason to find pride in who they are, Europeans falsely believe they don’t have anything to defend. They have no reason to resist the migration of millions of people from a different race and culture into Europe. After all, more people means more workers and a better economy — and “we are all equally sinful in the eyes of God” and “none of us are any better than others, nor is any society or culture any better than any other” — right?"

"What they are finding out is that the invaders from the Middle East have a native religion. It may be crazy, but it is theirs. They have a culture that is their own, too. They aren’t coming to join the rotting shells that were once the great empires of the Earth. They are coming to conquer them! Middle Easterners no longer fear the mighty Roman or Germanic warrior that once made the whole world tremble in fear. Even their 80-IQ minds can see our emptiness and our weakness.

They are intent on taking Europe for themselves, away from the Europeans — something no one in the history of the world has ever done successfully.

It won’t be Yeshua who saves Europe, if she is to be saved.

It won’t be Yahweh. And it certainly won’t be the Europeans in their current state of mind.

If Europe is to be saved, there is only one way to do it. That is to awaken that mighty warrior within us who has slept for so long — raise Odin and Thor and Tyr and Frey from their slumber. Teach our people once again who they really are — and that they are great. Help our people remember why they are great. Reconnect Europeans to their roots, give them pride in themselves and their history.

Bring mighty Mjolnir down on the head of those sadistic jotuns, Allah and Jehovah.

If Europe is to be saved, it will require the savage, war-loving heart of ancient Europa to rise again and bring the full power of Asgard to bear against the invaders. And if that happens, the invaders haven’t the chance of a snowball in Muspell. In the words of Rachel Summers in her upcoming (Autumnal Equinox, 2017) book, The Forgetting:

Awaken, Vikings! Awaken Teutons! Awaken Celts, Gauls, Franks, and Spartans! Find your descendants, your people, your land. We need you. We need your warriors’ souls to merge with ours. We need your swords, your strength, your spirit. Awaken, warriors of old. Awaken your pale cousins from Siberia to Iberia. Awaken and taste blood once more. It is time.

Source: Revolutionary Conservative and National Vanguard correspondents"

https://web.archive.org/web/20170518125222/http://nationalvanguard.org/2017/05/shall-odin-or-christ-inspire-the-salvation-of-europe/

You're preaching to the choir

>>14720

I know that's the case but I still felt like sharing it.

Odin had the same fate as Zeus for a reason. And no Christianity didn't spread by "the sword" initially. Sure the Catholics had some fuck ups in being overzealous against heretics (albigesian crusades) but that was because they adopted a perverted version of Christianity that was very hard to argue against.

When it came to the pagans it was very easy to convert the, passively, it just took some time and enlightening arguments as well as making compromises like synchronizing the high-festivals.

Pagans were mostly killed for political/territorial/revenge reasons, not because they wouldn't "convert". Europeans had been killing each other in this manner for centuries despite their religions, despite polytheism or whatever they subscribed to.

And as for "Odin saving modern Europe" ehh, nah. He couldn't "save" ancient Europe when he was in his strongest position, now all that remains is a disjointed and vague myths, the core of the tradition is gone, there are no communities, there are no high priests or druids there is no oral tradition. So whatever power he had is fizzled.

Imo he was a fallen angel anyway, he had his time but now it's gone. If paganism is to survive it needs new Gods, new practices, new ways, a new philosophy that is still somehow grounded in eternal truths. But "reconstructionism" is just misplaced LARPing nostalgia.

>>14722

Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae

8. If any one of the race of the Saxons hereafter concealed among them shall have wished to hide himself unbaptized, and shall have scorned to come to baptism and shall have wished to remain a pagan, let him be punished by death.

I renounce all the deeds and words of the devil, Thunear, Wōden and Saxnōt, and all those fiends that are their companions. — Old Saxon Baptismal Vow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Saxon_Baptismal_Vow

>>14722

>Christianity didnt spread by force intially

see video. Christianity ONLY SPREAD THROUGH SHEER TERRORISM AND JEWISH SUBVERSION AND DEGENERACY

>Perverted christianity doesnt attack European's Religion

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_burn2.htm

Exodus 20:3

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"You shall have no other gods before Me.

Deuteronomy 5:7

'>You shall have no other gods before Me.

Deuteronomy 5:7

Jeremiah 46:25

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The LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, says, "Behold, I am going to punish Amon of Thebes, and Pharaoh, and Egypt along with her gods and her kings, even Pharaoh and those who trust in him.

Exodus 34:13-14

"But rather, you are to tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and cut down their Asherim –for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God–

Deuteronomy 7:5

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"But thus you shall do to them: you shall tear down their altars, and smash their sacred pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire.

>Pagans are killed for political reasons, not religious.

Deuteronomy 32:17

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"They sacrificed to demons who were not God, To gods whom they have not known, New gods who came lately, Whom your fathers did not dread.

Exodus 22:20

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="He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed.=

2 Kings 21:6

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He made his son pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and used divination, and dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD provoking Him to anger.=

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 ESV / 48 helpful votes

“>When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God, …

Revelation 21:8 ESV / 29 helpful votes

>But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Hebrews 10:26-31 ESV / 18 helpful votes

>For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” …

Acts 17:16-23

>Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was being provoked within him as he was observing the city full of idols. So he was reasoning in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Gentiles, and in the market place every day with those who happened to be present. And also some of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers were conversing with him. Some were saying, "What would this idle babbler wish to say?" Others, "He seems to be a proclaimer of strange deities,"–because he was preaching Jesus and the resurrection. read more.

And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus, saying, "May we know what this new teaching is which you are proclaiming? "For you are bringing some strange things to our ears; so we want to know what these things mean." (Now all the Athenians and the strangers visiting there used to spend their time in nothing other than telling or hearing something new.) So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all

respects. "For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD ' Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you.

>Odin never saved Europe

Odin is Europe. In Greek myth it is Zeus, the odin of the Greeks, that fathers the Aryan race with his daughter Europa on the isle of Nakksos. We are our gods and the religion of our race.

>Hes a fallen angel, lol I'm totally not a filthy jew mocking a white god. Youre all LARPers with your Asatru and Kekism.

Spotted the christcuck. A filthy 'kike'' pretending to be a christian using it as his shield to dupe the lowly goyim cattle to exterminaitng their own race and destroying the temples of their gods, thus enslaving them to him and his evil.

I give to you, the perfect example of a filthy hebrew

>>14763

>modern LARPagan surprised that Christianity, the force that unified Europe and allowed their manifest destiny across the world, has several splinter groups

Think of it this way. At its absolute maximum the population of the world in 0AD was thought to be 230 million people.

The population of Europe was thought to be about 80-110 million.

http://itbulk.org/population/world-population-history/

Depending on region and county the would have had opposing religions and prayed to different Gods/nature spirits, trees/ whatever.

You can't seriously be surprised that any particular branch of paganism, which probably had no more that a few hundred thousand people following it at any one time, and has no real historical data (as they were illiterate morons) than a global religion with currently a BILLION members (and growing).

Just to put into perspective how fucking irrelevant Norse paganism is there are more Scientolgists in the US today than there were ever people who genuinely believed Odin really existed and sucked dead men's cocks for sperm.

No go and play Skyrim and pretend you're a real Nord. Faggot.

>>14773

>sucked dead men's cocks for sperm.

>quoting a jew's fan-fiction

kill yourself.

>>14776

You don't understand. I am saved by Christ. There is a tangible benefit to my life, and because of it I will inherit eternal Glory. There is a benefit I gain in this that no pagan LARPing will give any of you. That's why we look down on you, because you advocate for something you don't really believe. You're just atheists who realise how stupid atheism is.

But anyway, lets turn it around.

Remember that Vikings sold whites as slaves to Arabs. White women were especially in high demand.

http://m.thenational.ae/world/europe/when-the-arabs-met-the-vikings-new-discovery-suggests-ancient-links

You can tell why it appeals to the modern Swede, there ancestors basically invented a religion dedicated to weaponised cucking. Not only did they allow their women to have multiple husbands, they actively captured white women, and shipped them half way across the world so they could give them to shitskins.

When that failed they just decided to let all the shit skins into their country and rape their women without consequence.

It's no wonder the only time Nordic people weren't absolute cucks was the few hundred years they were Christians.

Catholicism and eastern orthodox christianity are more pagan than paganism today tbh smh

>>14781

>catholicism

if by pagan you mean saturn worshiping , boy-fucking satanists then yes

>>14717

Saved.

Thanks for the post.

Odin couldn't save Europe when he was in full-blast power, when the stories and customs were fresh in the minds of pagans.

What can he do now centuries beyond the grave?

Without a structured church and scriptures it only took a couple generations for people to lose their paganism, to forget the oral tradition and modify their customs/festivals/laws….

>>14852

>christian values can be easily perverted

stopped reading, theres your problem retard

theres not very many ways to construe pagan ideology without just outright contradicting it, like wiccans do. i would be surprised if more than 10 wiccans had ever read the emerald tablet and its not even a long read.

christianity however is so vague, so filled with contradicting moralities and contradicting cultures that is impossible to even say what "true" christianity looks like. you want proof? how many sectionalist factions exist within christianity again? some "one true god", you have as many "Gods" as we do

I hear christians sometimes defending christianity saying "well at least its based on platonic law! at least it has some pagan elements!"

first you are admitting that the only good things about christianity were stolen from paganism

second you admit that christianity is basically a racemixed religion, taking inspiration from the jews, greeks, romans and babylonians alike and creating some bizarre abomination.

>>14854

>theres not very many ways to construe pagan ideology without just outright contradicting it, like wiccans do.

Sure, if by 'pagan ideology' you mean the beliefs of a handful of people on a random imageboard. There's a ton of ways to interpret religion, paganism is no exception. Hinduism alone consists of countless different cults and conflicting ideologies, there's certainly no one concensus there, and that's without adding other religions like Zoroastrianism into the mix. Also I wouldn't reduce paganism to a level of a mere ideology, but perhaps it's exactly what certain simpletons want.

>christianity however is so vague, so filled with contradicting moralities and contradicting cultures that is impossible to even say what "true" christianity looks like. you want proof? how many sectionalist factions exist within christianity again? some "one true god", you have as many "Gods" as we do

We can all play this game anon, I could just as easily say that pozzed Icelandic fag marriage Asatru on equal footing with whatever it is you believe. If you're interested the Apostolic Churches (Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental, Assyrian, etc) are strongly alike in method, not much contradiction there

>I hear christians sometimes defending christianity saying "well at least its based on platonic law! at least it has some pagan elements! first you are admitting that the only good things about christianity were stolen from paganism second you admit that christianity is basically a racemixed religion, taking inspiration from the jews, greeks, romans and babylonians alike and creating some bizarre abomination.

You misunderstand, what we're saying is that the Church willing accepted and integrated good pagan traditions (these were called Semina Verbi by St. Augustine, Cardinal Newman wrote extensively on this subject). Perhaps you think of it as appropriation but I don't see how it's any more racemixed than Indo-European paganism. You're attempting to bring back from the dead not even your so-called native religion but the cults of ancient invaders from the Steppe that you barely even share ancestry with, who were your original Christians in that they overrode the earlier religions of Europe

>>14855

The difference between the Germanic and the Christian worldview, is that the Christian has a very literalistical and dogmatic way of looking at his religion and the Germanic does not.

I don't think we should tolerate Wicca or New Age cults in our movement, but I have no problem with a lot of different interpretations of our Germanic faith, as long as the go back to some aspect of what our ancestors really believed.

Also, I love your steppe-invader hypothesise, even if that was true, it would imply we follow a strongly literal and dogmatic version of religion, which we do not.

I suggest trying to step out of your Christian worldview and start viewing religion as something you are born with and born into and not something you get converted or educated into.

I think we are past the point of either being able to do so.

Unless you completely suppress literacy and wait for all the people who remember the actual contents of the bible to die off, christianity will be cucked to the core.

All historically derivative pagan movements are hampered by larpers, racially inclusive organizations, and wiccans. Opposing elements claiming to operate under our flag and bad public opinion from katana neckbeards yelling muh thor make it really difficult for Asatru to get anywhere.

We need a new religion. History is full of conquests fueled by upstart religions. Look at what the warlord mohammed did for example.

I care about the morality and weltanschaung of asatru more than the gods themselves. If a religion can promote "blood and soil" I will gladly follow it.

Ek trui a matt minn ok megin.

And so should you, the gods help those who help themselves

>>14866

>I think we are past the point of either being able to do so.

This really. The fundamental problem is that the West has cast aside their entire spiritual core, regardless of faith, and replaced it with scientism, or the worship of science and the material world

Christianity in the west is on its deathbed right now with the only real new converts coming from Africa, Southern Asia, and South America and it's probable that Islam will still end up beating them out there

I actually agree with >>14722 to some extent, though not with the notion that we should turn away from the old gods. They are our birthright, as surely as we are theirs. The blood of our ancestors lives in us still and calls to us to remember. There is no reason to tollerate the slanderous Abrahamic nonsense >>14722 is talking when he calls Odin a fallen angel.

But it is true; our folkway is severed and there is no patching what once was. What has fallen off the vine and rotted to Earth is forever lost. Perhaps small bits and pieces will come to light in the times ahead, but ours was an oral tradition predominantly, and even what survives of late Norse Paganism is perverted by the ways of their own times (the likely separation of Frig and Freyja into separate goddesses and the like).

Furthermore, we cannot expect the ancestral practices to be of much value to us, even if the ancient folkway had gone unbroken! Within almost all European animistic shamanism was the concept that language is power. To speak a thing was to invoke it. But it is the nature of that speech which galvanized runic forces to material consequence! You can no more speak an ancient Teutonic or Norse spell and have it manifest than you can demand a hot dog appear right now in your native tongue! And of what value are animal sacrifices in times when livestock is no longer synonymous with wealth? What does Freyja care about a slain pig from the hands of a man who's meal came from the supermarket?

Real religion is the product of a life lived, and we do not live as the arch heathens did. Nor should we try to! We have some to learn from them, but progress need not grind to a halt, sociologically, technologically, nor spiritually.

We DO need to pick up what we can from the past, but if we are to deliver ourselves from foreign gods and their machinations, we must forge a brand new folkway. Aside from the practical and magical limitations of trying to shove a square peg through a round hole (trying to use ancient methods to produce spiritual/magical results), it is just simply true that we have no access to the lost oral traditions, as numerous as the many villages that once dotted the European countrysides.

We cannot hope to recreate without some miraculous technology that can send us back in time to learn from our ancestors directly. But again, we DO have our ancestors in our blood. They have not abandoned us. And we are worthy to create new traditions if we are willing to stand and carry the burdens of it; chief among them realizing deity worship was a small, almost inconsequential practice to the arch heathens.

The gods were seen as distant beings, so other that they had little use for us, and often little consideration for our well being. Odin did nothing to save ancient Europe because it simply doesn't factor into the machinations of the Aesir tribe. Many have learned the hard way that encounters with Odin tend to end poorly even for the devout. The Allfather is the steward of the multiverse and we are the tiniest of specs in it.

Rather, it is the house wights, the land wights, the disir and alfar, the elder wights who made up the day to day meat and potatoes of ancient European religion.

You want to breath new life into this thing? Then disavail yourself of the distinctly monotheistic, nakedly Abrahamic idea that gods are the center of your religion!

THAT is why ancient Europe withered and died. It is plain to see by any ethical standard you chose to live by from any culture on this planet that mankind is alone here. Jehova did not save the Jews from Hitler's wrath. Odin did not save our ancestors from Justinian's Christian Rome. The Great Spirit did not save the natives of the Americas from European colonialism.

The gods play their role, and there is a limited place for god cults, especially in specific practices. Anyone seeking aid in Seidr would do well to petition Freyja. Anyone brave enough to make a sacrifice of themselves, to themselves, should seek Odin's guidance.

But your house spirit longs to be noticed and your local land wights have gone unloved since the end of the American Indians in the US. Be more concerned with what your blood whispers to you than what other people claim gods whom they have no real access to say through them.

Halfway through you got retarded. Odin is a faggot, one of satans generals.

Literally thousands of European Pagan Gods and im supposed to choose a faggot called odin? He who eats time , im choosing hashtur

I'm a christian btw

>>14764

>black star

The inner sun. Nazis are occultist(vril society) who believes in space aryans jej and the swastika is eastern descent.

>>15215

> Odin is a faggot

You have evidence of this from primary sources and not authors that are kikes or leftists?

>>14987

Your name is Luna_Phantasma and your are clearly promoting witchcraft and hatred for the Gods, so it's clear that you are some Wiccan and should be ignored.

>>15215

>one of satans generals.

What the fuck are you smoking?

>>15217

its seen as masculine faggotry idk

Reminder that Christcucks don't see anything wrong with fucking Niggers.

>>14777

Nice copypasta faggot

BGA heat maps and PCA-plotted graphs interest me greatly

>>15864

Regardless, the Aryans/Proto-Indo-Europeans/Whatever were European. Modern Northern to Eastern Europeans have the strongest affinity towards them.

>>14852

>He can't address the Christian hostility towards population control and allowing non-Whites to be Christians.

Where were the Ancient Greeks welcoming rapeugees and Romans supporting foreign aid for Niggers?

>>15945

>Ivan

I'm an Englishman.

>there are only eastern Germanics

Drop this fucking retarded meme already. The Slavic languages were not created within recent history, or during the early medieval period. A pan-Slavic identity? Yes, such a thing would be a construct. But the Slavic languages all descend from a proto-Slavic language, itself in turn from a proto-Balto-Slavic language, itself in turn from the late proto-Indo-European language of the Corded Ware culture. What I mean when I say that Hungarians are descended from west Slavs and Germanics is that they descent from people who spoke Germanic and west Slavic languages. These two different groups of people were genetically rather similar, moreso than the west Slavs are and were to east Slavs such as Russians, yes - I know this well, I myself posted the PCA plot indicating this. There is a region of overlap between where modern German samples fall and where modern west Slavic speaking samples fall, and Hungarian samples fall basically within this area of overlap, as you can see. Clearly Austrians, (some) Germans, Slovaks, Slovenians, and Czechs all share a great deal of ancestry.