No.14457
So /ASATRU/ recently I have gotten into The Rune Poems and Eddas as well as Beowulf. It's important to realize that even though Beowulf was recorded by Anglo Saxons, the saga took place in Scandinavia. If you put what's in Beowulf together with what is in the Eddas it becomes clear what the giants(Jotun) mentioned in the eddas are.
The giants/jotun were another race of white europeans that were mostly exterminated by the aesir, The jotun sometimes interbred with the other whites but the Jotun were closer to savage. They were the less civilized version. The giants were also berserkers. The viking berserkers were either part jotun or they were imitating the culture of the giants/jotun.
Its very important for every nordic person to read or listen to beowulf and study the eddas. A neglected aspect of northern european culture is the Irish mythology. The most important one to read is the cattle raid of cooley, sometimes called the tain. The main character Cu Chulainn is a Irish berserker warrior. The gods of the Irish: the dagda(an ancient king), lugh, the fianna… in some ways resemble the giants and I wonder if there was an exodus of those among the jotun races to Ireland where they became remembered as gods among the Irish.
In the one of the rune poems the jotnar are described as cliff dwellers, this can mean they were seen as "cave men". Another possibility is that the jotnar were the neanderthals who were exterminated.
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No.14458
Aesir is said to derive from a word meaning as much as pole/post. Gods that are poles, or worshipped by poles/posts can be carried around, which was what the indoeuropeans did who did not life as sedentary as the neolithic proto-europeans they encountered.
Vanir means the shining ones, I cant make sense of that tho, but they were of the earlier more earth based gods and ended up mingling/making peace under the condistions of the aesir.
Also modern genetics show that europeans are made of several strains of ancient peoples, indo-ayrans/europeans just being one-but a substantial-one among them so if the Jotuns were human they were probably beaten and dominated but not outrightly exterminated.
While both cultures are pretty completely unrelated it reminds me of how the nomad israelites perceived the sedentary canaanites they ended up beating as "giants". Maybe farmers got taller due to better nourishment then populations on the move which would explain the exaltation of the conquered ones to giants of legend?
Its all just speculation tho, we cant know for sure albeit mytholigical substrate usually has some references to real life events. Smithing gods for example were often crippled/lame as bronze age smiths got arsenic poisoning at some point of their life which limited their motoric abilities.
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No.14462
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No.14463
>>14457
No nigger, the Jotnar are deities that are NOT good. As in, the Gods (the aesir and vanir) are forces that are GOOD, hence the term God, and the Jotnar are evil or neutral forces.
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No.14465
>>14463
This, ones skull even makes up our sky.
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No.14466
>beserks were part jotunn
No they weren't you stupid fucking nigger you dont know a god damn thing about our lore , beserks were the sacred warriors of odin, were heavily involved in odins cult, and have cognates in roman and thracian warrior cults, who dressed up as wolves during rituals to Mars
Leave now and don't come back until you've read more than 2 books on germanic culture retard
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No.14468
>>14457
There are two groups of Jotuns:
The Fire Jotuns who most likely came from Muspel and the Ice Jotuns who came from Ymir, the Gods come from Buri, who's son Borr married one of the descendents of Ymir called Bestla. Borr and Bestla begoth Wotan, Villi and Ve.
Now, Ymir and Buri where licked from the ice by Audhumbla, the Cow of the Void.
All the beings that are worshipped, which are not part of the pantheon of Aesir or Vanir Gods ARE either jotuns, or one of the dwarf or elf races. Period.
YHWH and ALLAH are Jotuns, most likely one of the old and powerful ones like Surt or Utgartha-Loki.
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No.14481
>>14468
>YHWH and ALLAH are Jotuns, most likely one of the old and powerful ones like Surt or Utgartha-Loki.
Very interesting, Redpill me more on this.
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No.14482
>>14481
Yahweh is one of the most powerful jotnar and was the creator of the Jewish race. Above all, he is the Jotun of Greed, Temptation, and Degeneracy.
There are other semitic "gods"(jotnar) but Yahweh is the most powerful. Allah, Jehovah, God, all are words for this devilry.
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No.14485
>>14482
>Yahweh is one of the most powerful jotnar
Wrong. Yahweh ruled over a small tribe that didn't even have their own land. Compared to the Sumerian/Egyptian/Greek gods, he was a nobody.
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No.14486
>>14482
Also, he didn't create the Jewish race. He didn't even care about all Jews, just one particular family line.
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No.14487
>>14463
but why exactly did the aesir visit feasts hosted by jotnar, like in lokasenna? it seems much more likely that the aesir and the jotnar were different tribes or even subspecies that at occasionally clashed but also knew times of peace, although on the other hand it makes me wonder how the idea of the world being made of the corpse of a jotun fits in this theory
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No.14488
>>14485
>Wrong. Yahweh ruled over a small tribe that didn't even have their own land. Compared to the Sumerian/Egyptian/Hellenic gods, he was a nobody.
I didn't say he was always powerful.
>just one particular family line.
Right, Ashkenazi, ie, the jews
>but why exactly did the aesir visit feasts hosted by jotnar, like in lokasenna?
I never said that the Jotnar are all evil. Some of them are evil and some them are almost good. Most are neutral
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No.14490
>>14488 checked
dubs say enough
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No.14513
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No.14526
>>14457
Huh, I've never considered the jotnar as being a real people, but a mythopoeic understanding of nature vis-a-vis with the aesir.
The jotnar, then, are the mountain, the wood, the storm, the sea…the untamed earth that very well can kill us if we don't know how to tame their wiles.
And the knowledge of this comes from the aesir and vanir. Odin the wanderer who, with his wide-spanning wisdom of the world and traveling, teaches us to outsmart them. Thor, with his unyielding strength, teaches us to overcome them by endurance. Even Loki, who's dishonor, teaches us to use any means necessary to defeat them in the most bleak of situations. Freyr teaches us how to lord over the land and rule it.
Our gods are gods of making gardhr – enclosures like asgard – to secure human life over and against the jotnar, who threaten it, and through boldness, take the boons the jotnar have hidden away.
Basically, the whole thing is an illustration about civilisation vs. natural dangers. our gods are civilisers, the jotnar – the wilds.
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No.14531
>>14526
Then there's jötnur vetur, Skadi who rules Hel.
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