No.13324 [Last50 Posts]
What should modern pagan temples look like?
As in, if paganism was revived on a very large scale and got popular fast, what would the places of worship look like? Would they take cues from ancient greco-roman? Or just convert cathedrals and churches into temples?
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No.13325
>Or just convert cathedrals and churches into temples?
I think most people would feel weird praying to Odin in a christian church.
But personally I feel closer to the gods when I'm in the woods, or on a mountain, or near a river, or on the beach. Churches have always felt spiritually dead to me.
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No.13326
Some guy in Denmark recently built a temple in the style of a stave church. It has been theorized that historical temples had a similar design.
I believe some inspiration could be taken from the temples of Chinese folk religion too, especially how they work in urban environments.
Also pictured: The Rök stone and it's protective canopy.
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No.13327
I mean, this board is Norse-centric of course Not complaining but I still think that maybe devoting resources to design and build grand temples or religious libraries like the Hellenes did is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
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No.13328
>>13326
I like the idea of this, but perhaps in special groves in parks and forests. There are after all accounts of our ancestors establishing sacred groves
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No.13331
I'm inclined to think entire cities and buildings would be restructured (or newer ones built) to accommodate "sacred groves" and other special places (I hear this is common in Iceland to this day). The Norse were said to center their farms around one old, healthy tree where they would perform their own family rites. I could see office buildings doing the same thing, or complexes designed around a courtyard-like "grove" that was thought to house a spirit.
Tacitus said the Germanics had no temples or idols. Undoubtedly that's just part of the picture. Maybe more of a Germanic sort of Feng shui-like principle would predominate our living spaces instead of massive Cathedrals and Greco-Roman temples (although that would be cool, too).
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No.13333
Obviously, the ancestors were limited by their primitive upbrining and insular thinking, in this modern day and age, which has transcended the static idealist entrappings of sociocultural norms by the widening of our cultural horizons and deconstructivist leaps new, postmodernist monuments and exiting forms are most befitting to symbolize and worship the spiritual and abstract.
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No.13335
>>13333 (checked)
I know that you aren't serious but I could feel the fedora from here
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No.13339
>places the worship
What exactly would that include?
Iceland is said to be building a temple that should be finished this year for blot rituals and celebrations.
>>13327
I was going to suggest a library. A quiet place to learn would be good. Or have a library near by, if not, a bookstore.
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No.13340
>>13333
How does bad 60's sci-fi movie props make befitting temples?
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No.13341
Whatever the temple design, it should match the nature around it in appearance.
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No.13350
I like this example of architecture, even if it's stuck in Jew York.
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No.13355
We should primarily look at stave churches, saga descriptions and archaeology. We can take pointers from Greek, Japanese, Chinese and Hindu temples of course but Germanic sources should always be primary.
>>13339
>iceland is said to be building a temple
Not really
>>13039
>>13350
That's a jewish temple bank dude.
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No.13359
>>13350
Your image reminds me of this image I almost uploaded from Berlin.
>>13355
The Japanese Buddhist temples have an amazing construction method which includes a very tedious amount of choosing which trees to use because of how elevation and light subtly affects growing. An example is not using valley trees because that's where water stagnates in the soil, but not using hill top trees either because they lack the right amount of water. Then different types of trees are used for different parts of the temple because of the properties of the wood, such as knowing how the wood will bend over the years.
Something similar could be used from this, especially with the significance of ash and oak. Following that, use elm and fir for anything else.
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No.13361
>>13350
That reminds me of Jewish architecture for their temples. Plus it's a bank
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No.13369
>>13355
>>13361
It's solid, it's nice, and it's missing the defining features of true Jewish architecture. Where did you folks get the idea that Synagogues don't use European architectural principles? The Kikes steal everything else, so why would their building techniques be any different.
If you want to see true Jew architecture, just look at their skyscrapers or modern art facades.
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No.13393
>>13328
>I like the idea of this
What exactly? Stave churches, Chinese temples or the design of the canopy?
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No.13394
>>13331
>The Norse were said to center their farms around one old, healthy tree where they would perform their own family rites.
This is true, there's records of offerings being given to these trees until at least the 18th century. My family farm has one of these, but like all warden trees planted in the 19th and 20th century, it's likely to keep the tradition of having trees going, not for actual ceremonies.
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No.13397
>>13394
The idea of a sacred tree may also be reflected in some modern non-spiritual trees of dedication. Often you can find these around public buildings such as park offices, libraries, and colleges. These trees have fancy stone and metal placards saying "dedicated to …" followed by a backstory.
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No.13427
In my region people are proud on their heritage and the archeologic disciplines are wellfunded, so many places that can afford it rebuild old places as accurate as possible for touristic and educational causes.
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No.13433
>>13427
Always a worthwhile investment. Thanks for sharing those pics.
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No.13451
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>13324
>What should modern pagan temples look like?
Christians like to claim the aesthetics, due to crusaders, but those were just Germans/Teutons doing what they have always done.
The gothic style only adds to their claims.
But only paganism can truly be like this, for our gods are actually strong.
It is very telling that Christians can only post crusaders as a symbol of strength.
We can display heroes of our own, as well, sure.
But we also have the true, strong gods.
It is therefore far more feasible to attribute things like in the video to paganism.
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No.13452
>>13451
I mean, skulls alone are highly pagan, Ymir, and so forth.
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No.13456
>>13451
You cant pin aesthethics on religion as its culture and people that make aesthethics and not religion, safe for cases where dogmas restrict the way people build, such as with islamic builders making beautiful mosaics because they were not allowed to make pictures of people.
The difference between aethipian churches and orthodox ones alone is very telling about the importance of local taste and material/climate.
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No.13459
>>13451
Crusaders have no religious justification in the context of Christianity, the popes had to pull edicts of their asses that had no biblical basis to justify shit like the crusades. Unlike Islam which has Jihad.
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No.13461
>>13355
Basically this. I honestly don't think our ancestors suddenly came up with a whole new architecture after being converted. Add to that, what might be called early Christianity was still incredibly Pagan.
So we can take hints from the earliest Churches, or from later ones and try to identify & purge the Christian influences. Obviously the cross shape is one of them.
Here is a small documentary about the worlds oldest wooden church. It has subtitles:
https://youtu.be/IKe6MQQy8L8?t=8m42s
Particularly the part about the parts of the older church which were reused. New built temples should include ornaments on their walls, or paintings telling stories.
The placement of windows seems important to me. I think it should heavily rely on the movement of the sun and moon. Maybe that would mean a round shape might be appropriate? This doesn't fit with the stave churches though.
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No.13463
>>13333
Even though you were joking I got mad and pretty much a migraine. Regards, a builder
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No.13466
>>13461
I've never even heard of birch tar before. This looks so easy to make. I didn't know prehistoric Europe even had a glue to use, then it's a waterproof coating and antiseptic too. I can't believe I've never heard of this before.
Wool repels water too, so these people were completely weather-proof for millenniums. Indoors or outdoors.
http://www.primitiveways.com/birch_bark_tar.html
http://www.practicalprimitive.com/skillofthemonth/birchtar.html
http://www.jonsbushcraft.com/birchtar.htm
http://naturalhomes.org/permahome/birch-bark.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birch_tar
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No.13470
>>13466
It looks easy to make, but looks are very deceiving. We, to this day, have never discovered how the Neanderthals were able to produce the adhesive at the quantity they did. Not even modern techniques and machinery. They were very advanced for their time.
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No.13483
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No.13579
>>13355
bear in mind that your pics depict somewhat later stave churches, and if my familiarity with church construction is on point, I can see obvious Christian features (namely, this building seems to have a transept).
if we can take stave churches at face value at all, the earliest were single-naved churches (no transepts, chancel, choir, etc).
further, stave construction itself is post Christian – heathen era temples would have used palisade construction.
a simple nave "church", with palisade walls and a sanctuary (in the architectural sense) would functionally make sense..
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No.13580
>>13579
Mh you are right, while beautiful the transept is a later addition to what often resembled a basilika, a simple longhouse or a square.
The transept giving the groundwork a crossshaped/prostrated human like shape made me look after medieval symbology concerning the way churches were built.
Not surprisingly but still impressive every little part had an own meaning, some of them more or less based on biblical allegorys.
The west was generally seen as bad direction as the sun which was associated with gods light didnt shine there.
Thus the entrance of a church lied in the west so when you walked towards the altar you always walked towards the sun.
Furthermore the western part often either had a niche or room sanctified for a martial saint or the archangel michael in deviance towards darkness/the sunless west or was fashioned with two towers after a castle against darkness.
Also the holy water niches as remembering to the initiatory rite of the baptising were put in the front while the wallpaintings progressed from depictions the old testament in the dark west to new testamentary motives in the holier light east not to mention all the laws that were behind the placement of gargoyles, holy bones etc.
Hindutemples also follow a shitton of guidelines, I guess such things add over time a hierachical religion exists.
Should an asatru community come into the position to be both pious and numerous enough to get the organisatory effort of a temple done a simple rectangle+sanctum should suffice as stealing symbology or coming up with one on the spot builds on depth that simply isnt there yet.
Doesnt mean aesthethics can be ignored.
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No.13595
>>13456
I like those colors, it reminded me of these Slavic mythology based paintings. Rainbow colors might make use for some areas, like wall tiles for a staircase or fountain.
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No.13596
>>13456
Tile pictures. These may give life to certain areas of the temple.
This whole thread fills my mind with so many ideas. It makes me want to draw out a design. There is so many styles to consider as well, such as historically based or more modern, large or small, public or private.
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No.13599
>>13355
I found the name of the book I had mentioned. It's called The Genius of Japanese Carpentry: Secrets of an Ancient Craft, written by Azby Brown. I highly recommend this.
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No.13668
>>13595
Pretty comfy
10/10 would praise the gods in
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No.13680
>>13595
This is actually eastern germanic and not ""Slavic" at all
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No.13688
>>13333
No. Fuck your (((postmodernism))); the human race is an extension of natural forces, and our architecture should reflect that.
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No.13700
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No.13701
>>13680
>lingual groups dont exist if I say so
yeah..
Inb4 goths, crimeagothic went extinct only 200 years ago and they did not sound like the wyxzyrzspeak of the slavs.
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No.13702
>>13688
>>13700
>>13701
Read "the legend of a slavic people" by Dr. Heinrich Klug my niqqies
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No.14074
Pic related is a Shinto shrine built on top of another building.
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No.14112
http://www.germanicmythology.com/original/RanheimSite.html
This might be of some inspiration. The unusually intact remains of a hof were found in Trondheim, Norwy back in 2011, which the Norwegians later destroyed so they could build some modern housing.
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No.14155
>>13333
Fuck off you filthy leftist scum. Go choke to death on a dick you retarded cunt.
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No.14156
Like this >>13355
But also like a baroque cathedral, except the statues of saints are replaced by depictions of our gods and heroes from various legends. Stain glass windows would depict things like Thor on the boat with the giant hunting the midgard serpent, sigurd slaying Fafnir, idunn with the apples, etc. Massive glorious buildings towering into the sky decorated with gold, gems, diamond windows faceting light, incense… The entire building would intoxicate the human senses, override the mind into a trance like state. The greatest, most expensive buildings ever. Massive Hellenic temples with giant columns on artificial hills of steps above a city of similar architecture that would contain statues of the various gods for people to sacrifice and ask the aid of the gods. It would be designed to surpass the glory and beauty of Asgard.
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No.14176
maybe make them how they looked or something??? jeez whats with all this shit
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No.14178
>>14176
did you even read the thread?
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No.14180
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No.14187
The main temple of Cao Dai, very colorful.
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No.14188
>>13461
There's an old church in Cambridge, UK, which is round. The Anglo-Saxons also used to live in circular houses.
Some ancient records in the vatican make some reference to the temples of pre-christian England being rectangular, with an entrance at one and and an altar at the other, not unlike churches. The altar was adorned with a statue of the god (common in Hinduism, too).
Also, it's a personal theory, but I'm inclined to think that an ancestor of church spires may have also been lookout towers. England was far from a safe space in those days.
Mind you, I wouldn't mind seeing circular, open temples too. Like modern Stonehenges, only with a full "ring" on top of classical pillars. You could build these small, too. In Japan some shrines are tiny, like cupboard-sized ones on residential streets. Apparently the ancient Romans also used to believe that gods lived at crossroads.
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No.14189
>>13324
>What should modern pagan temples look like?
Warhammer 40k architecture.
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No.14268
A reconstruction of what is thought to be Japan's oldest shrine.
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No.14269
>>14268
It would be nice in a forest for the high view. This would also be cool if it was made of stone in an area prone to very high tides or flooding, or extending out from the beach.
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No.14270
Christian cathedrals were all built based on the works of famous Roman architects, such as Vitruvius' De Architetura. Of course, the style then evolved and grew to become the gothic style we know.
Christian cathedrals aren't a merit of christianity, but yet another adoption of other Pagan achievements.
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No.19472
ᛒᚪᛚᛞᛖᚱ ᚪᚻᛖᚦ ᛗᛁᚾ ᛚᚫᛞᛋ
ᛒᚪᛚᛞᛖᚱ ᚪᚻᛖᚦ !
Meditation sigil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5xEmcECqLg
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No.19508
>>13688
>the human race is an extension of natural forces, and our architecture should reflect that.
Our architecture can do nothing but reflect us. All we do is a reflection of us. Our buildings need not be literal caves or trees in order for them to be natural, don't be reductive and insulting to our advanced intelligence. Nice dubs though.
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No.19689
>>13324
It's literally described in Eyrbyggja Saga. I don't understand the confusion or ignorance in regards to nordic temples. Just read the stories ffs.
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No.19694
>>13331
This is very true. Although, in Iceland it doesn't center so much about trees, but around sacred stones. These stones or stone groves are considered to be the "homes and cities of elves and other nature spirits". Even in the capital (but it is much more common in rural areas of course), you will see some places were there are big rocks untouched, and in many of those cases it is due to this old pagan belief. In the country side, this is even more apparent, and often it is not rocks but mounds (or mound looking things).
It is common superstition that misfortune will fall upon any who disturb them, and so even if a road is being made it will have to go around it. Not many people actually belive this literally, but they still feel deeply attached to these places.
Not too many years ago, there was a road being made that would go over a elven home. Dozens of people that lived there, and even some who didn't live there but had ancestors who did, went there to stop them. And so they did, the roadwork was forced elsewhere.
It is things like this that makes me think that our ways will never truly die and can be reborn, and the only way to truly destroy them would be to completely replace us.
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