No.47298 [View All]
I think any non-normalfag anime fan will agree that anime has never been worse than it is now.
The late 80s saw the OVA boom which allowed anime studios to make short series with very fluid animation catered towards niche communities due to high budgets of the time. After that, we had the 90s in which Evangelion made it so that TV anime became a respectable medium as well which didn't just cater to children and produced some very creative works such as Shoujo Kakumei Utena, Serial Experiments Lain, Cowboy Bebop and Berserk. Then we had the 2000s, at this point anime was already somewhat in decline but this was probably the period which saw the most experimentality in both visuals and concepts and gave us shows such as Brigadoon: Marin to Melan, Chikyuu Shoujo Arjuna, Metropolis, Afro Samurai, Princess Tutu, Haibane Renmei and Panty & Stocking.
But now, it seems that anime has become a market led by suits that caters to as large and as young of an audience as possible rather than the otakus of old who mainly consisted of adults. Every year, shows come out that all look the same, have poorly-done animation and the amount of CG in what are supposed to 2D-animated anime increases every year as well. They all follow an already existing set of gimmicks and archetypes rather than trying out new concepts and writing actual characters.
I did not make this thread to discuss the differences between the current era of anime and that of the past nor to be nostalgic about older shows. I'd like to ask the question: what do you think needs to happen for the current age of anime to end? Do you think the future holds more promising anime for us or will Japanese animation continue to decline until nothing is left but a parody of itself?
>inb4 hurr they said this in the 90s as well
They did say that anime was declining in past decades, yes. And they were right, I think the people such as Miyazaki who were already complaining about the state of the anime industry years ago will simply think to themselves "I was right" when looking at what it has become now. So that's not really an argument for why the current decade of anime is supposedly not bad compared to previous ones.
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No.115854
>>115832
>Zoomers
Go back to cuckchan.
>>115841
This is half correct and half projection schizophrenia.
>>115845
>thinking japs should cater to westerners
Nice strawman.
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No.115855
>>47298
>The cancer that is the modern anime industry and how to fix it
>and how to fix it
No, you and your meddling kike ilk are the cancer.
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No.115856
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No.115865
>>115797
>You have more to worry about with the olympics
I think it is one of the root causes for this lgbt push we are seeing in japan right now, granted fags pushing shit before the Olympics is to be expected but I don't know if shit will go back to normal after the event finally passes.
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No.115906
>>115799
>This is some classic blackpilling.
What? All I said was that Westerners are not the main audience and localizations are just considered a minor profit at best, and your beef should be with localizations since there's not much you can do on the Japanese side of things without living in Japan/being Japanese. I flat out said what can be done from the western side of things, and that is intentionally sabotaging western translators that encourage western ideals in their TLs instead of just translating.
>>115854
Not him, but why should the Nips give a flying fuck about what anons on a western imageboard who don't even speak Japanese think? Even in the case of Japanese companies giving the green light for western-backed shows, those shows were massive flops. The only audience west of Japan that Japanese care about is Chinese/Koreans, and that's only because of the insane profits they can make on the Chinks/Gooks (and due to the fact that they outsource their animation to them).
>>115865
LGBT have been pushing for shit in Japan for a long time. Something to keep in mind is that Japan has been really fucking gay for centuries. Just look at Japanese folklore (can anyone say Kappa?). Samurai were encouraged to have romantic relationships with one another because their leaders thought it would make them harsher in battle if the other was injured/killed. Women in Japan were mostly just seen as something to produce offspring up until about the 1800s and weren't really seen as "equal" to men until about the late 70s/early 80s. The entire concept of sexuality in Japan is sort of different than that of Western ideals and shit's hard to explain without referring incorrectly to western ideals (see my statement that Japan used to be ultra gay). What we'd consider pretty fucking gay like sticking your finger up someone's asshole is considered a practical joke over there. Flamboyance is considered personal style rather than something tied to sexuality. Dudes regularly take baths together and even wash each other's backs, something interpreted as intimacy, but not as being gay. Skinship is not gay over there unless the balls touch. This doesn't even get into the female side of things (which basically up to and including full-on yuri sex is not considered gay but rather mutual masturbation according to the Japanese mindset). In the west, LGBT is about a sort of "expression in public" which is how it gets pushed. In 1950s Asian America Japan, LGBT is literally about fucking guys up the ass and girls marrying girls, and has completely different connotations. People can basically be gay lovers in Japan, they just can't get married or rent a love hotel room. Incest is more likely to get pushed in Japan than LGBT, and most of the world already thinks that Japan is LGBT-friendly because they misunderstand how things work over there at a fundamental level. Shit might not go back to normal for Tokyo, but I have no doubts that the outlying regions of Japan won't give a flying fuck past maybe some "don't do this" policies for dealing with foreigners moving forward and a few changes to public notices/map symbols. The Japanese government has been pretty on top of making sure foreigners can't pry too deeply into Japanese lifestyle, and Japan's anti-politics attitude at a person-by-person level means that foreign politics are going to be very frowned upon (and the few that can speak Japanese will likely already know this). I'd be more worried about laws (that westerners can't affect) getting pushed in the next year than I would be about culture and such. Japan's more concerned with keeping China/North Korea at bay than they are with a couple thousand filthy rich gaijin loafing about Tokyo and a couple other gaijin-friendly cities.
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No.115908
>>115906
Also keep in mind Japan is tied with Hong Kong right now (I say Hong Kong because that's 90% of China's economic output) as a world superpower. The Trump presidency has made a lot of nations previously investing in China move to Japan, Korea, or Vietnam.
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No.115972
>>115906
>Shit might not go back to normal for Tokyo, but I have no doubts that the outlying regions of Japan won't give a flying fuck past maybe some "don't do this" policies for dealing with foreigners moving forward and a few changes to public notices/map symbols. The Japanese government has been pretty on top of making sure foreigners can't pry too deeply into Japanese lifestyle, and Japan's anti-politics attitude at a person-by-person level means that foreign politics are going to be very frowned upon (and the few that can speak Japanese will likely already know this). I'd be more worried about laws (that westerners can't affect) getting pushed in the next year than I would be about culture and such.
TOO LATE
https://www.twitter.com/OneAngryGamerHD/status/1216162928661094400
So when's the surrender notes now that Japan has gone permanently woke?
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No.115973
>>115972
Reminder that literally everyone on Twitter is celebrating this.
Japan is fucking doomed.
>>115865
>but I don't know if shit will go back to normal after the event finally passes.
We now have full confirmation that shit will never go back to normal for Japan, sorry to say. They will become the Sweden of of the Asian continent.
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No.115977
>>115972
>Miyama City
>A city of about 40k people in bum-fucking nowhere Fukuoka
>A city that makes up 0.031% (rounding up) of the Japanese population
>A city with a mayor who owns property in Hawaii
>A city that US troops stationed in Sasebo regularly go to during their shore leave to fuck prostitutes
>Approving apparel that all Japanese sources refer to as "unisex" and the only LGBT-mentioning is from western media spin
>Specifically for children age 6-11 who presumably don't even know what a faggot is
Oh man, such a big deal. You really got me, anon. This couldn't possibly be a PR stunt for a city trying to improve its shitty reputation as a prostitute haven or anything. This is just embarrassing, anon.
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No.115980
>>115977
Wait a minute..
>(((American))) occupation city
>LGBT shit
I wonder who's behind this.
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No.115992
>>115977
This.
>>115972
Good try at blackpilling, faggot.
>>>/somethingawful/
>>>/oven/
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No.116007
I just find Miyazaki movies the most boring shit imaginable, same goes for 80s OVAs. I don't need fluid animations or pretty colors, it's all things I can imagine, I don't need to see something in fluid animation. You're right that the modern industry shits out low-effort garbage but nothing really has changed. All I need is for something to keep me interested. Nothing else matters. I think people (myself included) just need to consume less. There's just too much anime so obviously it's all going to look the same. It's never going to be enough at the same time. What's creative about Berserk's animation? The anime is a literal slideshow so I can't help but wonder why you didn't name an actual good OVA instead of something so clearly inferior to its source material. Anime still caters to otaku. It's just that otaku are defined by the things they purchase, they're scum, they've got no taste and will watch anything with a girl in it. That's the actual problem here. The otaku you claim were responsible for the OVAs of the 80s and 90s are, in fact, just paypigs.
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No.116013
>>47298
> I think the people such as Miyazaki who were already complaining about the state of the anime industry years ago
>self-proclaimed communists complaining anime isn't inclusive or (((artistic))) enough
Imagine my shock!
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No.116014
>>116013
if we go by his own works how can I not agree?
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No.116016
>>47436
Not according to the industry for the last couple of decades or as a matter of fact since anime started long before miyazaki's pretentious bullshit and somethingawful's appropriation of giant robots as post-ironic 2deep4u hipsterism.
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No.116017
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No.116021
>why doesn't the industry just cater to my niche
>what do you mean talent and money are required to produce something worthwhile and this is downright impossible to do on a week by week basis
It's not something you can fix. People with money rather continue making money and people with the desire to make animation don't want to make anything interesting. Just produce your own content, that's the only way you can be happy. I for instance commission my own porn. I'm actively contributing to my own happiness.
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No.116104
>>115972
>>115865
>>115973
<Blackpilledfag is still here.
OH NO The world is doomed. Ok China can i have my CCP money now? I mean you can quit cherry picking scenarios and keep replying to yourself. Making a huge nuke out of a fucking molehill. Who cares about some fucking bumfuck town in the middle of nowhere that hardly matters in the grand scheme of things.
>>115906
>What? All I said was that Westerners are not the main audience and localizations are just considered a minor profit at best, and your beef should be with localizations since there's not much you can do on the Japanese side of things without living in Japan/being Japanese. I flat out said what can be done from the western side of things, and that is intentionally sabotaging western translators that encourage western ideals in their TLs instead of just translating.
No you are trying to do this black pilled shit and then do a dual response talking out of both sides of your neck.
>Japan doesent care about Western audiences
>Oh Japan cares about Western audiences because of LGBT stuff.
And then you write these long winded paragraphs that nobody really reads because it sounds like some leftist meme shit that nobody cares about. So good luck trying to push this effort of yours. Hopefully you reach the 41% soon.
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No.116111
>>115906
> Something to keep in mind is that Japan has been really fucking gay for centuries. Just look at Japanese folklore (can anyone say Kappa?). Samurai were encouraged to have romantic relationships with one another because their leaders thought it would make them harsher in battle if the other was injured/killed. Women in Japan were mostly just seen as something to produce offspring up until about the 1800s and weren't really seen as "equal" to men until about the late 70s/early 80s. The entire concept of sexuality in Japan is sort of different than that of Western ideals and shit's hard to explain without referring incorrectly to western ideals (see my statement that Japan used to be ultra gay). What we'd consider pretty fucking gay like sticking your finger up someone's asshole is considered a practical joke over there. Flamboyance is considered personal style rather than something tied to sexuality. Dudes regularly take baths together and even wash each other's backs, something interpreted as intimacy, but not as being gay. Skinship is not gay over there unless the balls touch. This doesn't even get into the female side of things (which basically up to and including full-on yuri sex is not considered gay but rather mutual masturbation according to the Japanese mindset). In the west, LGBT is about a sort of "expression in public" which is how it gets pushed. In 1950s Asian America Japan, LGBT is literally about fucking guys up the ass and girls marrying girls, and has completely different connotations. People can basically be gay lovers in Japan, they just can't get married or rent a love hotel room. Incest is more likely to get pushed in Japan than LGBT, and most of the world already thinks that Japan is LGBT-friendly because they misunderstand how things work over there at a fundamental level.
Just because faggotry is kind of a tradition in nipland doesn't mean it can't serve as a fracture point for corrosive "progress"ivism. I agree on that there's not much we can do to directly influence domestic markets but we must realize that it is us and not the SJWADHD crowd that dictates the main demand of the industry in its smaller western portion.
Nips are already aware of the subversion attempts made by (((localization teams))) and we have to speak against that with our wallets since not even the greediest Japanese CEOs would agree to pozz their country to death for mere pennies.
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No.116120
>>116104
I began writing a long-winded paragraph (twice) explaining why you're schizophrenic, but then I decided it would be easier to just tell you to go fuck yourself. If making a difference relies on telling others what to do/hiding behind a community shield because you lack the drive and ambition to be the change you want to see, you can deepthroat a fat, long cactus, anon. I've been to Japan, I'm doing my reps, and I want no part in whatever the voices in your head are telling you to do to make Japan great again more great? It's fucking fantastic and I look forward to getting shitfaced on my next trip.
1) The anime industry doesn't care about the west.
2) What Japan cares about is FACE.
3) Saving FACE involves sweeping your shit under the rug/telling the gaijin to fuck off when they try to get involved with it.
4) Therefore realistically the only thing you're going to affect are localization efforts.
5) This requires time and effort, two things you clearly have zero desire to do.
Since you seem so keen on shooting down my opinion for absolutely no apparent reason other than "because I don't want to do the work myself," what do you propose be done? CR is bigger than ever and yet they suck Japanese corporate dick harder than ever (to the point where their two-cour co-op series or whatever the fuck they are, are getting axed because they don't make any money). The only thing you can reasonably affect are localisations unless you happen to be a millionaire willing to throw away your fortune on an audience (Japanese) that you clearly don't understand.
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No.116121
>>116111
>it is us and not the SJWADHD crowd that dictates the main demand of the industry in its smaller western portion.
Problem right now is the face of the western market is twitter. And twitter is infested.
>main demand
Most of the statistics from merchandise purchase/BD purchase would be obfuscated by the fact that it has to go through internal channels first. When you buyfag it's highly likely you would purchase from Japan directly or get someone to purchase for you. That means that it's not counted as part of the western market. Normalfags on the other hand would do these purchases, buying up dub releases and translated novels. That means on paper, the market wants YenPress and Funimation. That said, I do believe the main demand isn't the SJW crowd. They're too busy screeching at the next thing to buy anything. Silent majority and all that.
>doesn't mean it can't serve as a fracture point for corrosive "progress"ivism
I agree. Nipland has undergone huge changes due to losing ww2 and their restructuring. Much of the old traditional culture is dying out as the population ages. What this means is the new generation in Japan would begin their path down progressiveness too. So whether or not it would bleed into other things like anime depends on how the JP otakus react to it.
Streaming is a problem though. That is, if the companies don't implode first. Crunchyroll, netflix, hulu, funimation are currently at war snatching up anime rights. The convenience factor is dropping. They're hinging on accessibility now. They're all shit, but they will cement themselves as the face of the western market (for anime at least). Because it sounds really nice to have your show on a platform that services almost the entire world and has such and such viewers. Why bother with physical copies if you don't know if they even sell? It's also going to be a much more instant return. They will know right away if the show will do well, and merchandise/BD are a bonus.
>>116120
>yet they suck Japanese corporate dick harder than ever (to the point where their two-cour co-op series or whatever the fuck they are, are getting axed because they don't make any money)
Why is that sucking Japanese corporate dick? If it's not making money for CR, they shouldn't continue it either? Axing a show that isn't doing well and moving on seems like a reasonable thing to do. Especially since they're trying to get market share against other streaming services.
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No.116180
you cant fix this. the sjw are gonna purge all the animes for the olympic games, it's over. japan is dead and we killed it
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No.116212
>>116120
>I began writing a long-winded paragraph (twice) explaining why you're schizophrenic,
No you just said a lot of nothing nobody reads. This barely has shit to do with the anime industry. Its all politics and derailment of the topic at hand.
> but then I decided it would be easier to just tell you to go fuck yourself.
No you just keep responding and using sage like a faggot. Opposite of your intention.
>If making a difference relies on telling others what to do/hiding behind a community shield because you lack the drive and ambition to be the change you want to see,
Definitely projecting here.
>I've been to Japan, I'm doing my reps, and I want no part in whatever the voices in your head are telling you to do to make Japan great again more great? It's fucking fantastic and I look forward to getting shitfaced on my next trip.
Has nothing to do with the topic, you are trying to pretend because you traveled to some country you automatically know everything of the culture which means you are a dumbfuck. You also drink which is a sign that you have a lack of motor function and a lack of understanding of anything outside your own world view.
>1) The anime industry doesn't care about the west.
Not what you said here >>115972 nice try though.
>4) Therefore realistically the only thing you're going to affect are localization efforts.
>5) This requires time and effort, two things you clearly have zero desire to do.
lol yes anon whine about the fact that everyone should do your homework for you, they should provide localization while you sit there and drink and whine all day. Become the change you want or just watch everything suffer like it is in your head faggot.
>Since you seem so keen on shooting down my opinion for absolutely no apparent reason other than "because I don't want to do the work myself," what do you propose be done?
That is what you are saying above and projecting that onto me. I am not the one to do your homework for you or to change the industry. Only you can do it because you desire to do so.
>The only thing you can reasonably affect are localisations unless you happen to be a millionaire willing to throw away your fortune on an audience (Japanese) that you clearly don't understand.
There is good localization companies, dismissing all of them because a few bad actors is what leads to a purity spiral and seems to be a British blindspot. Viz Media does not fuck up localizations, neither does Discotek or Sentai Filmworks. Supporting competition does. Put your money where your mouth is than being a blackpill fag and get people to start supporting alternatives. This is the only way it can work. Hitting the gym is far better than sitting there and wasting away, being proactive is what will make things greater.
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No.116213
>>116121
>Problem right now is the face of the western market is twitter. And twitter is infested with Tumblr refugees.
They are not the market. If they were that 2 cour anime would have not been cancelled outright. If something does not sell Japan will not make anything for it. It did not, so they will not cater to that market.
>Normalfags on the other hand would do these purchases, buying up dub releases and translated novels. That means on paper, the market wants YenPress and Funimation. That said, I do believe the main demand isn't the SJW crowd. They're too busy screeching at the next thing to buy anything. Silent majority and all that.
Agreed we are a silent majority. If you notice more casual fans of anime who have no gearing towards politics are buying Blu-Rays nowadays on top of that count in the 80's and 90's finally getting licensed that the West missed out on and you are seeing far greater releases than ever before.
>What this means is the new generation in Japan would begin their path down progressiveness too. So whether or not it would bleed into other things like anime depends on how the JP otakus react to it.
They are still taught nationalist Japanese books and various other things in schools. Progressivism is not what it is, but a broad acceptance of fanservice, ecchi etc.
>Streaming is a problem though. That is, if the companies don't implode first. Crunchyroll, netflix, hulu, funimation are currently at war snatching up anime rights. The convenience factor is dropping.
I agree it is a bubble. Especially if there is more competition and exclusives start going around to various platforms it can cause issues. The Blu-Ray distributions are different though because Blu-Ray rights are not always on Streaming rights.
>Why bother with physical copies if you don't know if they even sell? It's also going to be a much more instant return. They will know right away if the show will do well, and merchandise/BD are a bonus.
I think they have statistics and various other things. But being able to make it common that some shows in Japan come over to the West and making Western audiences use to it will mean that yes while some licenses will fail it will not be the be all and end all like it was for Geneon(aka pioneer).
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No.116260
>>116213
>twitter isn't the market
True. I specifically said face because I fear too many JP corporations lending too much credence to twitter as representative of the market. Especially as 2020 Olympics rolls around. It's easy to view the first week of release backlash as the entire market hating it when the actual purchase/views aren't as apparent until a week or two after. Corporations get jittery if there is any hint of loss. Anons in this thread have said that it should be only temporary, mostly to keep the Gaijins happy and make Japan money. I do hope this is the case.
>taught nationalist books
That doesn't solve progressiveness from taking root. Nationalism won't change their declining birth rate because the nip girls don't want to start families. Progressivism will take root as more and more problems begin springing up due to these societal issues. The books are mostly to absolve the nips of any consequences from WW2.
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No.116281
>>116278
>>116279
>surrendering the country accordingly
thanks for the laughs.
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No.116346
>>47319
>manime
>2 seminude dudes telling each other how they feel and wrestling in their tears
I'm tired of SoL shit and highschool garbage with cancer animation too, but your manime is even worse on the faggotry quotient.
>>58391
You're just a normalfag like them and can't handle being disagreed with, kill yourself.
And oh shit I just realized this thread is over a year old.
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No.117692
Have the Chinese take over and do everything better, then get them to wake up and stop recycling tropes for 10 years.
By that point we would already be accepting china as the new leader of cute animated cartoon girls.
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No.117865
its over... moeshit won... anime is fucking dead
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No.117868
>>117865
/v/ surrendered vidya to the SJWs.
/co/ surrendered comics to the SJWs
We should do the same with anime and manga.
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No.117880
>>117857
>This thread reeks of gamergators. Fuck back off to where your underage ass came from. Learn the language first.
Reminder we have an infestation of /leftypol/ and the BO is doing nothing to stop it. They bait anons with leftist posts, then the mods ban those who reply them just like on Resetera (for no reason, but hazy accusations of spergout).
>>117868
You don't have to do shit, they're already taking the board for themselves through mod infiltration.
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No.118326
>>117880
Anywhere they're allowed to feel comfortable they'll inevitably take root and force out the original population from the top down.
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No.118367
>>118178
>that last line
Kill yourself.
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No.118582
>>47298
I'm worried about CG. CG will DEFINATELY replace 2D animation. In the UK it's happened already and some of those are foreign show anyway. Seriously it will happen.
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No.118583
>>118582
It's more efficent to produce, Ijust hope as time goes they improve it.
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No.118584
>>118583
I don't want it. Sometimes it's fine but I like 2d. I hate seeing all the art I like die
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No.118588
>>118584
Neither do I anon, but it's a production revolution right now.
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No.118591
>>118326
SJWs on twatter and tumblr have already permanently enslaved Japanese artists. They basically already won the war.
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No.118592
>>118591
Japan is cucking out hard
F
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No.118593
>>118591
That's a Chink, not a Jap.
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No.118598
>>118590
At this point I'm just watching "pre cg" stuff, and some occasional season stuff.
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No.118602
>>118593
Ko Takeuchi's a Jap, though.
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No.118685
Hey remember when you idiots said they coudnl't touch Japan. Guess what, they can. They have no limits since this social justice shite comes from the top down. It's the people the rule the world that push this
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No.118691
>>118592
>>118685
Thank god for the reset button then.
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No.118696
>>118691
>>118692
>>118693
>>118694
>>118695
Look, can you stop samefagging.
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No.118740
>>118693
>>118694
>>118591
I don't really disagree but where did the criticism against him originate from?
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No.118742
>>117868
>/v/ surrendered vidya to the SJWs.
Nigger shut up.
>>117865
Moeshit kept the normalniggers out and studios open, fuck off you disingenuous toonami nigger.
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No.118743
>>116212
>There is good localization companies
That's a good one
>Viz
Fucked up their translation of Honey & Clover so bad that Discotek had to re-translate it. And while we're on Viz need I remind how they massively fucked up their re-master of Sailor Moon and lied about it?
>Sentai Filmworks
Put in fansub-tier meme subs on shows like Penguin Drum. They're trash, and I'm fucking tired of them shilling their Hi-Dive streaming service here.
>Discotek
Usually recycle old translations unless their severly fucked up. And much of their freelance staff are outright cucks.
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No.119067
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No.119091
>>47298
There are multiple reasons why it is the way it is today, but if you really want to know how to throw anime and manga back under the rug to make it great again there's a few thing that you need to do.
First
Burn all localizers and kill all translators.
Making anime and manga accessible welcome normalfag and surface level fags
Second
Associate all anime with something bad
Easiest is pedophilia, already kind of working, doen't have to be true, people just need to believe it.
Third is the easiest
Take down all the streaming sites, manga streaming and anime streaming. Legal or not.
Where to start?
Start getting rid of all these illegal streaming sites. Be it reporting, ddosing, doxxing the owners, contacting advertisers to stop them and starve the owners out. Whatever.
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