No.666
I think we are all aware of the current movement to activate children's sexuality at a very early age. Clearly this has psychological ramifications to all parties involved.
To what end? What is the purpose of turning children into sluts? What could be gained by the people putting this plan in motion?
A couple ideas:
-The destruction of the family unit
-The destruction of societal morality
-The destruction of self-control
-The creation of a sense of futility
-The adoption of wide spread depravity
-The total collapse of the Western Empire
If we agree on the life cycles of Empires.....
1. The age of outburst (or pioneers).
2. The age of conquests.
3. The age of commerce.
4. The age of affluence.
5. The age of intellect.
6. The age of decadence.
7. The age of decline and collapse.
....than maybe this is just another weapon of our enemies?
WHY!?
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No.667
>>666Spooky trips speaking the truth about the sexualization of children....
It also serves to further distance reproduction and sex, which is similar to
>the destruction of the family unitIt also promotes a very self-centered, self-indulgent point of view, narcissistic and lacking empathy.
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No.668
>>666>To what end? What is the purpose of turning children into sluts?Pedophiles benefit sexually by promoting the behavior. Capitalists benefit financially by pandering do the pedophiles. The ambitious profit in power by blackmailing pedophiles by setting them up. You really don't need any more than that.
I don't really know how the social trends are. There's a holdover from the old days when everyone pretended that this sort of attraction didn't exist, which served to turn a blind eye to it and allow it to happen. You see it's still in effect in some cases like Jerry Sandusky. Society has lately been forced to become aware of the issue, but seems to have become reactionary about it in progressive cities, now assuming all men are pedophiles by default, while simultaneously promoting girls to act promiscuous. I don't know what effect it's having, whether it's increasing incidences or perhaps only in a limited manner for certain kinds of sociopaths while inhibiting it for the more timid.
>Clearly this has psychological ramifications to all parties involved.Everything has "psychological ramifications".
>-The destruction of self-controlThis is just the man scooping up the unsupervised children. Perhaps it makes it more difficult for that generation to come out ahead when they're exploited and damaged, but why point to this as the problem rather than the fact that they're unsupervised? Like if we just build a hypothetical barrier to protect all the children, maybe given time some of them will just happen to get good guidance despite the lack of it?
>>667>It also serves to further distance reproduction and sex, which is similar to>the destruction of the family unitI'm not a fan of going down this road of ideology.
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No.669
>>668are you sure that "psychopolitics" is a board relevant to your interests?
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No.670
Call me mad, but I don't think the sexualization of children is exactly a burgeoning trend. While this practice does occur it is universally reviled.
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No.671
>>666Power and control, anon, like it always has been.
You destroy the people's social cohesion and moral code. Erode their fulfilment in life, and leave them with nothing bar an empty hole, a primal longing for eudaimonia. Of course, with the traditional means and routes for this success and growth in life all but annihilated, all that is left is to play into the hands of consumerism, of crony capitalism, of the existing power structures that belie this "progressive and prosperous" modern day society.
The people cannot muster any sense of rationale, becoming sheep unto wolves, and so fall deep into the trap. The long-con. The system. The methodical, inter-generational, global trends and machinations that form a matrix of power and control.
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No.672
>>669Sorry. I just don't know how to interact with ideologues. I'm just looking to learn.
>>671>You destroy the people's social cohesion and moral code.I wonder if there are scientific studies done that shed better light on this.
I suspect short of going to conservative extremes of locking your girls up and performing female genital mutilation, the only alternative is sex ed and curbing bad behavior.
I think the real problem might be an economic environment where sufficient supervision is just not possible. That will always leave children vulnerable.
>>670What about in the era where children were considered "blank slates" before a certain age? What about when they were used as free labor? and of course what about the media that promotes it now and the public that tolerates and supports it?
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No.677
>>672>The real problem ... economic environment ... sufficient supervisionMaybe so, but you must understand that this 'environment' runs deeper than an economic system. The perversion of childhood, of innocence, is only a symptom. A means to an end.
You are familiar with the pincer maneuver? Divide and conquer? The same principle is applied here, on a scope almost impossible to comprehend for your average man. Like subverting our ideals and premises of the young, we are set to work in a dying economy, so as to set our minds and bodies aside from seeing, analysing, and criticising the world around us. The incessant economic stratification of the people into classes ever further removed - the plutocracy and the peasants - forces poverty and an ever growing workload, and hence this modern situation where you have people working more than medieval peasants (as I've heard) and even couples spending their ten day fortnights to support their children.
These are just two workings of our world and peoples, anon, and they are set plays in a game stacked against us. A game that we were born to lose to, and a game that we have "no choice" but to play.
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No.694
I have three hypothesis which admittedly are not very plausible but I believe should be mentioned.
The first is the idea of promoting complete rejection of traditional values in every way possible. What is the basis of traditional values? An absolute referential for morality, a set of rules based on more than "as long as no one is getting hurt". The sexualization of children is not a singular phenomena, it is part of a larger effort to distance mankind from the idea of the inherently wrong.
The second is the blurring of the ages, i.e. children behaving as adults and adults behaving as children. Grown men watching cartoons, spending large sums on video-games and toys, living in a fantasy land of play and candy. Meanwhile the children have sex, curse, have tattoos and piercings, drink and smoke and commit violent crime. While this specific point may warrant a separate discussion, I can briefly state that a population made up of children who wish to be grown-ups but don't know how and grown-ups who wish to be children but can't can be easily controlled by appealing to their desires. This existential confusion leads to anguish and a desire for a fixed referential, such as a totalitarian state. I believe this point is confusing, and I will try to explain it better if there are further questions.
The third point is a matter or surveillance. By trivializing sex at all ages, we make the idea of being watched while doing our most intimate deeds less frightening. This third point is the less likely.
>>677"Divide and conquer" is the division on the enemy forces so that each fragment can be destroyed separately, either by isolating forces geographically or by instilling discord amongst political factors.
"Pincer movement" is dividing your own forces so that you can attack the enemy from two or more places at once.
I think you meant the first.
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No.695
>>694Wow, anon, this is very disturbingly true:
>The second is the blurring of the ages, i.e. children behaving as adults and adults behaving as children. Grown men watching cartoons, spending large sums on video-games and toys, living in a fantasy land of play and candy. Meanwhile the children have sex, curse, have tattoos and piercings, drink and smoke and commit violent crime. While this specific point may warrant a separate discussion, I can briefly state that a population made up of children who wish to be grown-ups but don't know how and grown-ups who wish to be children but can't can be easily controlled by appealing to their desires. This existential confusion leads to anguish and a desire for a fixed referential, such as a totalitarian state. I believe this point is confusing, and I will try to explain it better if there are further questions.http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/12/25/is-it-smart-to-delay-adulthood/millennials-are-redefining-what-adulthood-meansThere is a massive change afoot in how adults relate to the world and experience their age milestones (if at all)...
I read some crazy theory that MLP/bronies were created through astroturfing as a thought experiment, I wish I could find the information now. Of course that could be just someone's jump in logic, but there is also the possibility that it is true.
What are some of the media influences which have infantilized adult men? Portrayals of the dad in sit coms? The popularity of Family Guy as a cartoon for adults? For some reason The Simpsons seems less at fault for this trend. Adventure Time as a cartoon directed towards kids with appeal for adults as well?
There are a lot of examples of sexualized media for kids. Those live action shows on Nick are full of bizarre sexual innuendo. Bratz dolls are hideously sexualized.
frankly, as a woman, I think tampons are inappropriate for young girls for a variety of reasons, and many tampon ads are aimed at adolescents. Can you think of any more?
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No.696
>>695I'm afraid my relative isolation from pop culture restricts my examples, but besides the previously mentioned I can think of the popularization of comic-books and comic-book movies, and the growing informality of the workplace (especially in fields populated by young people, such as information technology). As for the "adultification" of children, there are the sexualized dolls that you mentioned and others such as Monster High and Equestria Girls (I worked with toys), the access to technology, and the apparent disregard of parents and guardians about the ratings of shows/movies/games.
This whole hypothesis isn't so much about turning children into gown-ups and making grown-ups into children, it is about blurring the line between the two to the point where you can't tell them apart. Parents are no longer guardians and teachers, they are just people who want to hang out with their kids. There was a time when men wore shirts and suits, while boys wore shorts and t-shirts. Parents used to introduce their children into the adult world, now children give their parents a justification to remain performing childish acts.
One must think of the characteristics of each group that might be of interest to an unscrupulous elite.
What makes children good servants? Fear of responsibility, search for immediate gratification, lack of critical thinking, short attention span, easily impressed/coerced/intimidated. What makes a child a bad servant? Lack of attention to detail, difficulty at following instructions, creativity, honesty, constant questioning of reality, lack of experience, optimism. Now tell me, which of those are apparently becoming common place among the "adult" population?
1 Corinthians 13:11 comes to mind:
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
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No.704
>>694>>696Good ideas, and I think that now, besides speculation, we have to find the culprits and devise means of stopping them or protecting ourselves.
>I think you meant the firstI was illustrating a point that we are split and flanked almost everywhere in the modern life, so the second might be applicable but essentially you're right.
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No.706
>>704>Good ideas, and I think that now, besides speculation, we have to find the culprits and devise means of stopping them or protecting ourselves.That's the fundamental problem with this board, isn't it? Acting upon our realizations and actually changing anything. The only thing we currently have the power to change is ourselves, so that's where we should begin.
>>695I think the portrayal of the family patriarch on the television is more of an attack on masculinity than an attack at adulthood.
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No.715
>>706Problem is half the time we can't get the first part done. The first part is identifying the problems. Then you can begin fixing them. I think people are only starting to wake up to the issues that OP has stated, to be blunt.
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No.723
>>696This probably also explains the recent appearance of mainstream movies with children and/or adolescents being in the thick of potentially fatal violence like The Maze Runner, The Hunger Games, Divergent, and Ender's Game.
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No.725
>>723I still can't get over the "fact" that the supposed author of Hunger Games lives in Sandy Hook.
You might be right but I think that it's possible that shit like Hunger Games is a more everyday PSYOP simply targetting a generation so that they are pro gun-control as adults. I don't really understand what they are doing though, it seems crazy
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No.759
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No.762
>>668> assuming all men are pedophiles by default, while simultaneously promoting girls to act promiscuous.No no, pepetuating the myth that all men are pedophiles while simultaneously promoting girls to act promiscuous in order to exacerbate things. Shame is how one cows a man -- men are the greatest threat to any ideology, it is the men who fight; Women will more readily accept sufferable evils that change the systems to which they are accustomed.
Is there not an attack on all things male? Including sexuality? Who is doing this? Those who pushed for "sexual liberation of women", eh?
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No.1059
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No.1060
>>666Being such an emotive subject, paedophilia is the perfect scapegoat for erosion of civil liberties. The more widespread paedophilia is (or appears to be), the more worried people are about it, and the less they will dare complain. I remember reading that news channels often run scare pieces around Halloween warning parents that evil paedophiles are waiting to snatch their children, despite there never being a single documented case. Why run a story against a non-existent threat?
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No.1073
The sexual world we have today is a result of first the banning of sexuality in younger ages from 10-15 in most countries and even 15-18 in a few, and then after the 60s subsequent experiments to make kids under the age of 9 more sexualized (oy vey).
This causes the sexual urges people have for people of either the same or opposite sex (usually the opposite) between the ages of 10-18, which are extremely natural as this is the time puberty ends and the person is able to bear children to be transfered up to the age of 16-18 (what ever "sweet 18" porn sites can get away with) and also for those who want more, transfered down to the age of 12 and below.
The ones who suppress their desires for ones of the opposite sex who are just out of puberty are fully accepted into society at large, and the ones who are attracted to people under the age of 12 are either hunted down as pedophiles (unless they are good with proxies) and/or blackmailed into submission, with sexualized young children used as a true jail-bait, in order to keep politicians and corporate heads alike who may have had natural urges for teens before in line.
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No.1078
Children enjoy emulating adult behavior: girls put on make-up and boys shave. This stems partially from an admiration towards the parent, and partially from a perception of adulthood as a stage of independence and absolute power over oneself (can go to bed whenever, eat whatever you want, etc.). As such, it is no surprise children want to be adults. Sex is an extremely important aspect of being an adult, in fact, from the purely biological point of view being able to reproduce and bear children is what determines whether or not one is an adult.
What seems to differ our modern western society from others in different places and periods is a lack of a rite of passage. The rite of passage is the acceptance of the individual into the adult world, and sometimes into a secret society made up of all of the members of the tribe of a certain gender. By removing the need of the rite of passage and by blurring the line between infancy, adolescence and adulthood the individual picks and chooses the behaviors that it wishes, much like
>>696 said.
So these young people (whom we cannot call children anymore) continue with the understandable wish to emulate the adults around them, and with the lack of a rite of passage there ceases to exist a definitive moment beyond such actions are acceptable and before which they are unacceptable. What I mean by this is that in a society with a rite of passage one can tell another: "you are not allowed to do this, you have not done the ceremony" or "you can no longer behave like that, you are a man now". Without the rite we loose the absolute referential and fall to the relativistic approach: "you shouldn't be having sex, you're thirteen!" to which one can respond "so? age is just a number" and be corroborated by the general social rules. Because there isn't a
definitive moment when one stops being a child and starts being an adult there isn't a definitive rule determining at what age adult behaviors are acceptable, and children (which, as previously stated love to play grown-ups) take advantage of that in order to fulfill their fantasies of adulthood.
Of course, the media and education play a huge role in all of this, but I just wanted to get that idea out there.
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No.1085
If adults were to become more child-like, social functioning would improve, not degrade.
Children are truly the most natural rebels of the world, if only they're given the opportunity and freedom for that self-expression. Children question everything. They object to inequities. They righteously become angry over their own inequitable treatment (until adults beat them down so much they finally give up and adapt). Children naturally probe, explore, and poke at things regardless of social (adult) norms.
How many children have engaged in murder, warfare, serious thievery, sexual depravity/obsession, domination politics, psychological warfare, or any other of the numerous degenerate activities you seen in the modern world today?
How do children actually spend their time? If they're simply given a secure and relatively free environment, you will find them self-learning, playing, seeking fun and joy, laughing, making friends quite quickly, and any fears they do have can disappear very quickly with a little adult reassurance.
Children are also quite sensitive to hypocrisy. If an adult tells them they 'need' to do something, but that adult doesn't do that same thing, they object, and only comply when the adult resorts to force of authority/threats/psychological or physical coercion.
Yet children are also quite eager to follow the true leadership of adults. Start washing clothes with a slight smile on your face and you will quickly find your child to follow your lead.
Children also love heroes. They have hope. They dream the grandest of dreams, and they're not at all afraid to imagine a better world. In their imagined worlds, they love sharing these amongst eachother, and participating in eachothers dreams.
Adults believe in demons. Most adults lose all hope. Their dream is to survive from one day to the next, maybe hit the lottery one day, thinking then finally they can be happy. Adults are too busy with their worries to participating in dreaming.
Adults sacrifice themselves too much. While this might sound like a good thing at first glance, consider how people are actually sacrificing themselves, for what reasons. Working too much, complying with bullshit norms just to 'fit in', generally denying themselves, loving little, and generally doing this they feel that they 'need' to do, rather than actually thinking for themselves whether those things are good and truly desirable or not.
Child sexuality is also a true thing. It genuinely exists, but adults deny it. Sex is just a piece of life, a powerful one yes, but that is only all the more reason for adults to actively (when the time is right) teach kids the ins and outs of sexuality: what works, what feels good, what the opposite sex likes, when flirting and seduction is like, how to be aware of these things, and so on.
Because knives are dangerous, does that mean you don't teach a child how to cut food? But if they don't learn how to cut food, how will they cook for themselves? And if they can't cook, how will they feed themselves good food (and not become dependent on bad/fast-food)?
Keeping kids in the dark about these things only keeps them in ignorance, and its in ignorance where the greatest errors and dangers lie. In all likelihood, if a kid sees you chopping food, and they're physically capable of doing that too, they'll probably soon ask you to get involved somewhat, or at least learn about what you're doing.
Children's primary and best source of learning is through mimicry. If you act like sex is a big demon to avoid, they'll only grow up dumb on the topic, and while they'll be dumb, they'll still have natural desires and cravings for touch and physical affection, which then can lead to problems.
Children are good, and adults suck, more or less, broadly speaking. When you see kids throwing 'temper tantrums' (this phrase itself is verbally coercive/denying), these kids are grossly unhappy because in all likelihood they're living in a grossly unhappy environment, and their natural and human needs are not being met. In the same way, a dog who is not raised right will also suffer from things like aggression, anxiety, and other visible emotional difficulties.
Now, 'hypersexualization' isn't good nor natural to children (rather, adults are the 'hypersexual' creatures), but the general trend of admiring children is not bad, so I say. I'd also like to point out a certain trend in Japanse culture where women are to an extent valued/prized on 'cuteness', which basically includes a bunch of child-ish like mannerisms/appearance/behavior. I'm not saying this is perfect or anything, its just worth pointing out that you admire this and yet remain a wealthy nation.
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No.1086
>1085
Little girl, isn't it past your bed time already? What are you doing up? Go back to bed, the adults are talking now. You'll understand when you're older.
>this is a normal response to anything insightful children might say or ask.
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No.1115
>>1085Societies are built on stability and need change to keep from becoming stagnant, That is why there needs to be both young and old people in their respective roles.
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No.1928
>>1078
Very good. Almost every died culture had rites of passages.
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No.1931
Since I see this hasn't been posted in this thread yet; East Germany had a movement in 1968 doing all this already, with the (probably) sincere intention of teaching children sexuality, so they'll be experienced already when they grow up and won't make wrong decisions (as silly as this may sound).
Personally, I don't think it's intentional, it's just an unfortunate consequence of sexual liberalisation of society that started because of widely available contraceptives and generally carefree lifestyle (because in age of abundance, children never learn to understand the need of responsibilities, only rights and liberties).
Though, I understand there may as well be underground influences trying to speed this up for their own benefits.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html
https://archive.is/vPjQA
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No.1944
Now hold the fucking phone for a second. Children aren't being hypersexualized, at all. As with many things, the dichotomy is growing greater between two different sides of something and as such there is no longer a muddled middle to wander about in.
Back when life expectancy was shorter, people were marrying and fucking 12, 13, 14, 15 year olds and so on. That's when puberty was happening, and the thing is that puberty doesn't make you want to fuck for no reason. Those were the ideal ages to do any and all fucking, mainly for reproduction but whatever.
I mean, child porn magazines were a real common thing up until the mid eighties in other parts of the world. They were still in the US up to the 60s. Pictures and centerfolds of 11 year old girls spreading ass and sucking dick, it was common.
After a certain point, it pretty much stopped and everyone was against it and now it's all gone. Girls go through puberty and maturation at a very young age, so it's not a sign of the apocalypse if a 13 year old girl is trying to blow a 25 year old guy or wear really short shorts.
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No.1945
>>1944
Low quality post. Refer to the picture in the OP and think about what you did. This isn't about your dick, it's about media portrayals, dissonance, and society at large.
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No.1950
>>666
just kill the paedo-sexualizers >>>/meta/84303
and no i'm not joking
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No.1985
>>725
Not just your government is going to kill you, kiddies; you all are going to kill each other
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